Jordan Phillips back with Bills 1 year deal

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

A cheap vet will likely beat Oliver out of a job

 

No. No they won't. 

[Back2Buff]

Seems stupid to bet on an oft-injured player to stay healthy.  However, this is what this regime does.  They struggle to find hidden gems, so they just go back to the same wells over and over again.  

[Tommy Callahan]

He was playing good till he dove at air. but that hustle when he got injured, is the hustle/Juice the team need and thrives off of. 

 

3M, for a backup DT that can bring pressure,  hard to argue with that.

 

He is a 3 penetrator, not a run stuffing NT.

 

use him the correct way and its disruptive.

 

 

Edited March 30, 2023 by Chris farley

[BADOLBILZ]

 

How does this washed up gas giant keep getting more than minimum deals from Beane?

 

I know fans like him because he plays to the crowd on the field and in social media but the reality is that he can't stay healthy and is a terrible run defender who basically refuses to use his natural size to be stout.   

 

I said it last year..........it's fine to sign him to a minimum deal but there isn't much of a market for his services.   

[BADOLBILZ]

49 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

He was playing good till he dove at air. but that hustle when he got injured, is the hustle/Juice the team need and thrives off of. 

 

3M, for a backup TD that can bring pressure,  hard to argue with that.

 

 

That "hustle" was just idiotic.    The game was over and there was very little chance that lunge brings down Jones.   It was eye-wash.......an attempt to make himself look valiant that backfired.    What the guy needs to do is play smart and under control.     He is more concerned with winning over the ball watchers.    McBeane accept him for what he is.........but last year his market should have been league minimum and that was all they eventually got out of him.    At age 31 I doubt the light is going to come on for him but even if it miraculously did.......pay him for that NEXT year........he simply hasn't earned more than league minimum with his performance in recent seasons.    

[PetermansRedemption]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

That "hustle" was just idiotic.    The game was over and there was very little chance that lunge brings down Jones.   It was eye-wash.......an attempt to make himself look valiant that backfired.    What the guy needs to do is play smart and under control.     He is more concerned with winning over the ball watchers.    McBeane accept him for what he is.........but last year his market should have been league minimum and that was all they eventually got out of him.    At age 31 I doubt the light is going to come on for him but even if it miraculously did.......pay him for that NEXT year........he simply hasn't earned more than league minimum with his performance in recent seasons.    

Am I thinking of the wrong play? Wasn’t he running to go celebrate with Hyde. He dove because he hurt his hamstring on the play. If he wasn’t hurt he would have kept running and would not have dove. 

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, Chris farley said:

He was playing good till he dove at air. but that hustle when he got injured, is the hustle/Juice the team need and thrives off of. 

 

3M, for a backup TD that can bring pressure,  hard to argue with that.

My question is will the shoulder be healthy, did he need/get surgery?

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Am I thinking of the wrong play? Wasn’t he running to go celebrate with Hyde. He dove because he hurt his hamstring on the play. If he wasn’t hurt he would have kept running and would not have dove. 

 

 Hyde wasn't in the game when he hurt his hamstring. He had just left the game with the neck injury that ended his season. He was running to celebrate Milano's pick 6.

 

 

[Manther]

10 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Kingsley Jonathan was signed to the roster after the year under a Futures contract.

 

Glad to see him talked about. I have thought that he could make this team as the last Defensive End on the 53 if they decide to not pay Shaq and I don't think he'd bring any less than Epenesa or Basham has.

 

Though I'm still hoping Shaq is brought back under an inexpensive deal.

Thanks for the update and I agree with you on what he can bring to the team and agree on wanting to bring Shaq back as well.

[BADOLBILZ]

15 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Am I thinking of the wrong play? Wasn’t he running to go celebrate with Hyde. He dove because he hurt his hamstring on the play. If he wasn’t hurt he would have kept running and would not have dove. 

 

Yes he hurt his hamstring running earlier in the season.    He hurt his shoulder with a goofy diving lunge at Mac Jones later in the season.   But it's easy to get them mixed up because at this stage he is probably always going to be in the process of getting injured.   What has never changed is that Phillips IQ drops a good 50 points when he steps on the field.   If that weren't the case he'd have been a star.      

[Manther]

8 hours ago, HenryJones said:

I would rather they extend Daquan and Taron, before restructuring Dion or Tre.  I know they have options to free money up, but think they are overpaying for what Jordan Phillips is and brings to them.  Based on the last 3 years, he’ll get them about half a season and a sack per million.  I hope I’m wrong and he has 9.5 sacks this year, but I’m skeptical of that happening.  I wonder if anyone else was offering him $3m+.  It sounds like they may have offered Shaq near the vet min, from some twitter noise I had seen.  I’d be disappointed, if I were him.  He was much more valuable to us last season than 97.

I LOVE extended Daquan.  I would think he wants a big pay day or we would have done it.  OR they agreed on it and are close and waiting for the right time to finalize it.

 

Jordan Phillips is good when healthy and think he can be healthier than in the past.  He is a playmaker and disruptive on the field.  I am confident his pay is based on performance and/or playing time.

 

I agree I would prefer to pay Shaq over JP.  I like them both and want them both on the team though.

 

I am fine restructuring Dion if we need the money.  Not comfortable with Tre and was not comfortable with Diggs either.

 

Go Bills!

[Manther]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Agree with almost all of this, except I don't think they should rush to extend Daquan. He was excellent for us last year but he will be 32 by the time he hits FA after next season, and he didn't have a huge market when he was 30 so I think they are right to take their time and let it play out with him. If they want him back after 2023 I am sure they will be able to make it happen. But they should be conscious "the wall" can't be super far away for him. 

Gunner...interesting take!  I a big fan of almost all of your opinions.  I never thought on Daquan this way and you are intriguing me.  Good call.  Worst case, not much down side to not extended Daquan.  Worst case we pay slightly more than we would now, but, could save money next year as well.

26 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yes he hurt his hamstring running earlier in the season.    He hurt his shoulder with a goofy diving lunge at Mac Jones later in the season.   But it's easy to get them mixed up because at this stage he is probably always going to be in the process of getting injured.   What has never changed is that Phillips IQ drops a good 50 points when he steps on the field.   If that weren't the case he'd have been a star.      

Funny, but, possibly true

[DieHardBillsFan]

Love this! Stay healthy BIG MAN! Don't go diving a QB's that are 20 yards away!

[Billz4ever]

When he's healthy, he's a force.  Let's hope he can stay healthy this season.  

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Agree with almost all of this, except I don't think they should rush to extend Daquan. He was excellent for us last year but he will be 32 by the time he hits FA after next season, and he didn't have a huge market when he was 30 so I think they are right to take their time and let it play out with him. If they want him back after 2023 I am sure they will be able to make it happen. But they should be conscious "the wall" can't be super far away for him. 

 

 

Yes Daquan Jones is the same $4M block-upier that he was when Carolina signed him away from TN.    Why Beane had to pay him over $7M aav and $10M gtd for that role I don't know.   But the standard for DT1T play got very low on TSW with all the fake hype that OBD gave that turd Star Lotulelei to justify paying him $40M+ for 3 seasons.   In some places where they expect good DT play Jones might have been a pay cut candidate with his base salary over $6M this season........not an extend candidate.    

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

How does this washed up gas giant keep getting more than minimum deals from Beane?

 

I know fans like him because he plays to the crowd on the field and in social media but the reality is that he can't stay healthy and is a terrible run defender who basically refuses to use his natural size to be stout.   

 

I said it last year..........it's fine to sign him to a minimum deal but there isn't much of a market for his services.   

 

Either Beane is not the wizard people think he is or McD is telling him to just get it done. 

 

3rd week of UFA handing out 3M contracts to DTs is not a good look.  And even though it's a moderate deal, it should be remembered when there's little to no cap room to make a trade at the deadline.  

[Beck Water]

16 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Bills are the Oprah Winfrey of 1 year contracts..

 

Apparently the entire NFL is the Oprah Winfrey of 1 year contracts right now

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

2 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

Seems stupid to bet on an oft-injured player to stay healthy.  However, this is what this regime does.  They struggle to find hidden gems, so they just go back to the same wells over and over again.  

Hopefully we will someday have a regime that consistently wins the division, gets double digit wins, makes the playoffs every year, and assembles rosters that place them as superbowl favorites...

 

*Of course the ultimate goal is to win the superbowl and until that happens, there is room for improvement on the roster.  But the level of criticism and disdain this regime gets from some posters is laughable.  

[RyanC883]

hopefully his contract requires him to see a trainer before/after every game.  Dude appears to lack the ability to properly stretch given that hammy last year.  

 

Overall: love this signing.  Great guy who causes chaos in the other teams backfield as a backup DT.  Fantastic.  I also won't be surprised if we draft a DT in Rd. 5 or so--someone who just eats space.  

[Tommy Callahan]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

How does this washed up gas giant keep getting more than minimum deals from Beane?

 

I know fans like him because he plays to the crowd on the field and in social media but the reality is that he can't stay healthy and is a terrible run defender who basically refuses to use his natural size to be stout.   

 

I said it last year..........it's fine to sign him to a minimum deal but there isn't much of a market for his services.   

yes, he is a huge three gap penetrator. very good for pressure. not good if you're playing him at NT and expecting him to run defend. that's not his skill set. 

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

yes, he is a huge three gap penetrator. very good for pressure. not good if you're playing him at NT and expecting him to run defend. that's not his skill set. 

 

 

 

I agree that he is what he is.........but at 350# approx his lack of versatility is a matter of want-to not "skill set".     This is a guy the Bills should never have to pay above minimum for because they are his only market.    He talked his way out of Miami and Arizona couldn't get rid of him fast enough after they realized what they'd gotten into. 

  

[BADOLBILZ]

34 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Either Beane is not the wizard people think he is or McD is telling him to just get it done. 

 

3rd week of UFA handing out 3M contracts to DTs is not a good look.  And even though it's a moderate deal, it should be remembered when there's little to no cap room to make a trade at the deadline.  

 

 

Yeah I assumed Phillips would be brought to camp as the 5th DT or that he would be on a practice squad somewhere next season.   The Ravens cut the productive and inspiring Calais Campbell because they felt like he was about to decline..........the Bills brought back Phillips with apparently some guarantees even though he washed out 3 years ago.  Clearly different standards.   The Ravens know that they are good at filling their interior DL roles.........the Bills don't trust their scouting, clearly.    Phillips is(or was) a very talented player but I would not be surprised to see him beat out in camp by a healthier scrub and Beane having to eat some guarantees to cast him adrift.

[BuffaloRebound]

I’d be highly surprised if the guarantees are more than vet minimum.  And since he barely played last year, the $3m number is most likely heavy on NLTBE bonuses which don’t count against the current years cap.  

[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I’d be highly surprised if the guarantees are more than vet minimum.  And since he barely played last year, the $3m number is most likely heavy on NLTBE bonuses which don’t count against the current years cap.  

 

 

You would think that for sure.   It's obvious that he is no more than a league min type player at this stage........especially at a time in the offseason when young and productive players like Taylor Rapp and Damien Harris are apparently signing 1 year deals for south of $2M.   But I thought Phillips was only going to get league min from Beane last offseason and Beane gave him guarantees(including $1.25M still on the books for 2023 in unamortized bonus from that deal).   

[TFBillsfan]

21 hours ago, Herb Nightly said:

Beane won't ' go all offense in draft.  Most of the DTs are on expiring contracts. Secondary depth was challenged last year  and you can't have too many corners in the AFC. I would also like an OLB/Edge to back up Von.

I would imagine we are set in the secondary:

 

White, Elam, Dane, Benford, Taron Johnson, Hyde, Poyer and Rapp. They resigned Cam and Damar is still under contract.

[JGMcD2]

2 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

I would imagine we are set in the secondary:

 

White, Elam, Dane, Benford, Taron Johnson, Hyde, Poyer and Rapp. They resigned Cam and Damar is still under contract.

Siran Neal too

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You would think that for sure.   It's obvious that he is no more than a league min type player at this stage........especially at a time in the offseason when young and productive players like Taylor Rapp and Damien Harris are apparently signing 1 year deals for south of $2M.   But I thought Phillips was only going to get league min from Beane last offseason and Beane gave him guarantees(including $1.25M still on the books for 2023 in unamortized bonus from that deal).   

We are seriously talking about like $1 million right are we really going to quibble over $1 million

[Nuncha]

Hope he can stay healthy......

[Jauronimo]

I didn't even know he was gone!!

[Beck Water]

21 hours ago, TFBillsfan said:

I would imagine we are set in the secondary:

 

White, Elam, Dane, Benford, Taron Johnson, Hyde, Poyer and Rapp. They resigned Cam and Damar is still under contract.

 

While there is uncertainty as to whether Damar will play (and perhaps as to whether White will resume his old form) I would think they would try to bring in a couple more players. 

 

I'm thinking 5-7th round. 

 

It's not a tough prediction since the Bills have drafted 1 or more DB 5th-7th rounds every year Beane has been GM.  Most have them have stuck on the team.  DBs drafted in these rounds include

(2018) 5th - Siran Neal (plus Taron Johnson in the 4th)

(2019) 6th - Jaquan Johnson

(2020) 7th- Dane Jackson

(2021) 6th - Damar Hamlin, Rachad Wildgoose

(2022) 6th - Christian Benford

 

Rachad Wildgoose is the only one who didn't stick on the Bills, and he's started games for the Jets (2021) and for the Commanders (2022) and is still on their roster.

Jaquan Johnson is the worst of them, and he's played 60 games for us in the last 4 years, with a starting role on ST.

 

But, I think people who thought we might draft a safety early may  be able to stand down.

[TheFunPolice]

I love a big disruptive DT!

 

This year hopefully Phillips doesn't injure himself diving at a QB when the game is already over anyway. Big man hustles and that's how he got hurt twice this season. Blew a tire running along with a turnover and then dove at (I think) Mac Jones and busted his shoulder after chasing him for like 140 yards yards back and forth around the field. 

 

NOW we need to draft a DT of at least the same size to be the 1T and line those guys up in the middle!

[julian]

On 3/30/2023 at 12:57 PM, John from Riverside said:

We are seriously talking about like $1 million right are we really going to quibble over $1 million

The poor folk love to quibble over such insignificant amounts of other people’s money, when the hell else are they gonna have the opportunity.

[BADOLBILZ]

36 minutes ago, julian said:

The poor folk love to quibble over such insignificant amounts of other people’s money, when the hell else are they gonna have the opportunity.

 

I don't care about anyone's money.....let alone some broke-ass who can't accurately calculate the difference between 3 and 1.  😂

 

I care about cap space.    

 

Veteran minimum for the 31 year old Phillips would be $1.165M.    Phillips contract is reportedly $3M-$4.6M.  

 

That's $1.835M to $3.435M more.  

 

That is in addition to being paid about $4M last year when he should have been receiving league minimum.

 

Hell he already accounted for $1.25M in dead cap space on the Bills 2023 cap from his voided contract dummy year.

 

Paying $4M-$7M above minimum over two years is not an inconsequential amount of cap space given the Bills limitations.  

[GunnerBill]

 

31 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I don't care about anyone's money.....let alone some broke-ass who can't accurately calculate the difference between 3 and 1.  😂

 

I care about cap space.    

 

Veteran minimum for the 31 year old Phillips would be $1.165M.    Phillips contract is reportedly $3M-$4.6M.  

 

That's $1.835M to $3.435M more.  

 

That is in addition to being paid about $4M last year when he should have been receiving league minimum.

 

Hell he already accounted for $1.25M in dead cap space on the Bills 2023 cap from his voided contract dummy year.

 

Paying $4M-$7M above minimum over two years is not an inconsequential amount of cap space given the Bills limitations.  

 

Agree. I could kinda see it last year as a "maybe Buffalo will rekindle some of the magic." It did. He played lights out week 1 at the Rams. And that was that. He was a total non-factor thereon in. 

 

And it isn't just the Phillips factor for me. It is that yet again they feel like they HAVE to have 4 investments at DT. It is the one position that they have just kept pouring money into. Justin Zimmer apart they have almost not evem tried to find someone who can give them reasonable DT4 production at bottom of the roster money. Almost everywhere else on the roster at one point or another we have needed a day 3 drsft pick or a UDFA to play and hold down a spot at least for a stretch. But DT they just keep throwing $$s at. 

[Punching Bag]

On 3/30/2023 at 10:40 AM, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Hopefully we will someday have a regime that consistently wins the division, gets double digit wins, makes the playoffs every year, and assembles rosters that place them as superbowl favorites...

 

*Of course the ultimate goal is to win the superbowl and until that happens, there is room for improvement on the roster.  But the level of criticism and disdain this regime gets from some posters is pathetic.  

 

Corrected.

On 3/30/2023 at 12:57 PM, John from Riverside said:

We are seriously talking about like $1 million right are we really going to quibble over $1 million

 

I am sure he quibbles when case of Genesee Creams goes up 10 cents.

[julian]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I don't care about anyone's money.....let alone some broke-ass who can't accurately calculate the difference between 3 and 1.  😂

 

I care about cap space.    

 

Veteran minimum for the 31 year old Phillips would be $1.165M.    Phillips contract is reportedly $3M-$4.6M.  

 

That's $1.835M to $3.435M more.  

 

That is in addition to being paid about $4M last year when he should have been receiving league minimum.

 

Hell he already accounted for $1.25M in dead cap space on the Bills 2023 cap from his voided contract dummy year.

 

Paying $4M-$7M above minimum over two years is not an inconsequential amount of cap space given the Bills limitations.  

I wasn’t being serious lol.. I need to be more obvious 

[papazoid]

Ten days after he made an official visit to the Buffalo Bills’ facility, defensive tackle Jordan Phillips signed a one-year contract to remain with the team Thursday.

 

Phillips’ re-signing gives the Bills eight defensive tackles under contract entering this month’s draft. Top four are projected to be Ed Oliver, DaQuan Jones, Tim Settle and Phillips.

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/defensive-tackle-jordan-phillips-back-with-bills-on-one-year-contract/article_0ae53bdc-d4bb-11ed-832e-cfa442dc0a45.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, papazoid said:

Ten days after he made an official visit to the Buffalo Bills’ facility, defensive tackle Jordan Phillips signed a one-year contract to remain with the team Thursday.

 

Phillips’ re-signing gives the Bills eight defensive tackles under contract entering this month’s draft. Top four are projected to be Ed Oliver, DaQuan Jones, Tim Settle and Phillips.

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/defensive-tackle-jordan-phillips-back-with-bills-on-one-year-contract/article_0ae53bdc-d4bb-11ed-832e-cfa442dc0a45.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

 

It's interesting to me that every single one of them are Free Agents after this season. You usually don't go into a season where your entire depth chart at a position are under 1 year deals.

 

I have to assume one or two of Oliver, Jones, and Settle will be extended before the start of the season.

Edited April 7, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[papazoid]

Spotrac reporting Jordan Phillips signed a 1 year, $3,000,000 contract with the Buffalo Bills

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jordan-phillips-16776/

 

 

prior to that, both spotrac & NFLPA says bills have about $8.3 mil in avail cap space.

 

so that should bring us down to about $6.3 mil   (phillips $3 mil  in and someones $1 mil out)

[Royale with Cheese]

4 hours ago, papazoid said:

Spotrac reporting Jordan Phillips signed a 1 year, $3,000,000 contract with the Buffalo Bills

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jordan-phillips-16776/

 

 

prior to that, both spotrac & NFLPA says bills have about $8.3 mil in avail cap space.

 

so that should bring us down to about $6.3 mil   (phillips $3 mil  in and someones $1 mil out)

 

@GunnerBill

$3 million for Phllips.

Does this pitch a tent in your knickers?