DrDawkinstein Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, Dr. Who said: I’m ignoring teams that have bad records and get compensatory picks. I am interested in the good teams that qualify for them and continually maintain winning records. NE* is somewhat down now, but I include them for the early 2020s as representative of the tail end of over a decade of success. Imo, Baltimore, Kansas City, and San Francisco are able to accomplish the feat because they consistently draft well. Beane is not at their level. 2020: NE got 2 third rounders and 2 sixth rounders. Seattle got a third, a fourth, and a sixth. Baltimore got a third and a fourth. 2021: NE got a third and a fourth. Dallas got a third and a sixth. San Francisco got a third and a fifth. The Rams got two thirds and a fourth. Baltimore got a third and a fifth. Kansas City got a fourth and a fifth. 2022: Baltimore got a third and a fourth, San Francisco got two thirds, two sixths, and a seventh, Kansas City got a third and a seventh, LA Rams got a third, a fourth, and two sixths. 2023: San Francisco got three thirds and a fifth, Kansas City got a third, a sixth, and a seventh. Truly appreciate doing all this leg work. 🙏 We're already a much more successful team than most on that list outside of KC (maybe Rams since they won a SB in there, but as even they would tell you: "Eff them picks"), so I dont see Comp Picks being the key to putting teams over the top. Or even the reason for keeping these teams good. Kinda worthwhile, and a nice bonus? Sure. Worth crafting your entire offseason plan and FA signings around? Absolutely not. IMO. Valid reason for fans to be picking up their torches and pitchforks? Absolutely not. IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: oh really? Did Zach Moss have 15 TDs in 2021? Was Zach Moss ranked as the #2 RB in 2020 and 2021? Give me a break!! Hey people here B**CH about how we need to fire a winning coach & his staff why can't i B**CH about a RB that's the same stature as ever one they've had . If he proves me wrong i'll be the first to say i was wrong but to this point he hasn't so i will wait to see & like the other fans here will print some of my foolish thoughts to give you something to complain about too . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Is he a good pass blocker? Is he a Bill Belichick RB? Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, T master said: YAY !!! Another RB under 6' tall & just a little over 200 lbs ... Moss 2.0 . They don't even remotely do the same thing, and Harris has actually produced at a high level multiple years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 14 hours ago, Doc said: MLB. Specifically Campbell. I don't see value at WR or OL at that spot. Then RT in the 2nd. That's my guess. Reach in the 1st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, BruceVilanch said: They don't even remotely do the same thing, and Harris has actually produced at a high level multiple years. Well, we wanted Moss to be like Harris. He was just incapable of doing the same thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 hour ago, ArtVandalay said: That's not what you said. You said that Singletary is a better back because his YPC was higher. I mean you want to talk nonsense, jeez. You can debate and argue with whoever you want but you really need to back off on the disrespectful language to posters like Kirby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack_in_MA Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 39 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said: Harris helps change our offensive identity. We'll have a smash mouth side to us now. We just need a road grader G on the right side to pair with Spencer Brown Smash Mouth AND Road Grader in one post ? If you throw in Thumper and Speed Burner, I have a Mel Kiper Bingo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Truly appreciate doing all this leg work. 🙏 We're already a much more successful team than most on that list outside of KC (maybe Rams since they won a SB in there, but as even they would tell you: "Eff them picks"), so I dont see Comp Picks being the key to putting teams over the top. Or even the reason for keeping these teams good. Kinda worthwhile, and a nice bonus? Sure. Worth crafting your entire offseason plan and FA signings around? Absolutely not. IMO. Valid reason for fans to be picking up their torches and pitchforks? Absolutely not. IMO. Well, I agree, but I don't think I said anything with that connotation, though no doubt there are those who hold that sentiment. In my view, Beane is a good GM, but he could be better and he may become better. In general, as I stated before, my main criticism is that I think he over values "filling all the holes." It's not a bad thing, but I think he should shift his criteria somewhat in favor of hitting on difference makers. I also believe in today's NFL, you shouldn't ignore the defense, but I would pitch the balance over towards the offense, especially when you have a generational talent like Josh Allen at qb. I'm pretty sure @Kirby Jackson and @GunnerBill will agree with me on this, among others, though I could be mistaken. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 I would’ve preferred drafting a running back, but I cannot knock the player This guy has been a stud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, BruceVilanch said: They don't even remotely do the same thing, and Harris has actually produced at a high level multiple years. Well that's a good thing then i hope he proves me wrong in every aspect of my reply and shows how stupid i was for posting it like McD shows how stupid it is for those that call for his needing to be fired . It won't be the first time or the last time I've been wrong that's for sure & if i am i will be the first to say so . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, T master said: YAY !!! Another RB under 6' tall & just a little over 200 lbs ... Moss 2.0 . Because weight and height exclusively decide the effectiveness of an RB. This is a braindead take. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Reach in the 1st Most reports are there’s only about 15-17 players with actual 1st round grades. So taking a player graded early round 2 at 27 isn’t a reach Edited March 21, 2023 by GolfandBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, Logic said: I just heard about this signing and came here to see what the discussion was like. 25 pages. Bills fans never cease to amaze me. Looking over Harris' career, I see that in 2021, he had 15 rushing TDs! When was the last time a Bills running back had 15 rushing TDs in a season. Anyone? I legitimately have no idea. If Harris does nothing else but replace some of those Josh Allen short yardage and red zone carries and add health and mileage to our franchise QB, he was a good signing. Rushing td’s from the red zone are more on the play call and the OL than the RB.If Harris has 15 td’s for the Bills I would bet it means Allen got injured. We are not a line up qb under center hand off to the rb team. Even in the red zone we are still going shotgun. That is not the system Harris has been used in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, HappyDays said: It does matter. We're talking about a free top 100 pick. Signing an injury ridden RB with a limited skill set to a one year deal is not worth losing that pick. We could have signed Elliott to play the same role, or just drafted one on day three like most teams do for that skill set. Even if you're correct that we would have had to spend that 3rd round pick on a RB (although I will mention this obviously isn't inherently true), there's a big difference between a cost controlled RB on a multi-year rookie contract and a veteran on a one year contract. Let's be real. A one season rental of almost any RB is not worth a 3rd round pick. It's arguable that not a single RB is worth that trade off. For Damien Harris the suggestion is laughable. I hear what you're saying, but it gives Allen a chance. The rest of the football world knows he needs help but they don't want to look like they are giving up on their 2nd round bust. Gives me hope as a fan and whatever the price it had to happen or you know they'll only go as far til Allen runs out of gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, Logic said: I just heard about this signing and came here to see what the discussion was like. 25 pages. Bills fans never cease to amaze me. Looking over Harris' career, I see that in 2021, he had 15 rushing TDs! When was the last time a Bills running back had 15 rushing TDs in a season. Anyone? I legitimately have no idea. If Harris does nothing else but replace some of those Josh Allen short yardage and red zone carries and add health and mileage to our franchise QB, he was a good signing. I hope it winds up being Cook and Hines deployed as an interchangeable, explosive, and diverse top two, with Harris seeing mostly pass blocking, short yardage, and red zone work. I don’t disagree. He is a fine short yardage option. Harris is an okay back but don’t want people to think that he is some star. He hasn’t been. He’s Jamal Williams without receiving skills and an injury history. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, Bruffalo said: Because weight and height exclusively decide the effectiveness of an RB. This is a braindead take. Well then you can put this in the category with all of those that call for McD & Beane to be fired . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Reach in the 1st That will depend on how he does in the NFL. Josh was considered a reach at 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Is he a good pass blocker? Wasn't sure so I tried looking it up and a NE article about whether to keep him had pass protection as a positive, so I'm thinking that's a yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t disagree. He is a fine short yardage option. Harris is an okay back but don’t want people to think that he is some star. He hasn’t been. He’s Jamal Williams without receiving skills and an injury history. I'll take him trying into a pile vs Josh trying to jump over it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said: If you go to that site it looks like it was lost already so this signing might not even affect it https://overthecap.com/compensatory-picks Singletary will likely qualify as a lost UFA, it just hasn't been updated on there yet because his official contract numbers haven't been announced. It was reported as one year "up to $3.75 million." The thought is that it will be at least $2.5 million base. I guess if it isn't then we probably lose out on the comp pick regardless. In that event Poyer not getting a better contract elsewhere is ultimately what will have cost us the comp pick and I won't blame Beane for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: Well, I agree, but I don't think I said anything with that connotation, though no doubt there are those who hold that sentiment. In my view, Beane is a good GM, but he could be better and he may become better. In general, as I stated before, my main criticism is that I think he over values "filling all the holes." It's not a bad thing, but I think he should shift his criteria somewhat in favor of hitting on difference makers. I also believe in today's NFL, you shouldn't ignore the defense, but I would pitch the balance over towards the offense, especially when you have a generational talent like Josh Allen at qb. I'm pretty sure @Kirby Jackson and @GunnerBill will agree with me on this, among others, though I could be mistaken. For sure, for sure. Wasnt so much trying to "debate against you" as just adding my thoughts/observations to your great work. Agreed that it is definitely Beane's approach to fill all holes with "someone" before the draft, thinking it gives him more flexibility in the draft. And I dont think that's wrong. Probably the most forethought we've seen from a GM in a while! We're pretty much on the same page. I'd love to see some draft investment into the Offense. I was banging the table for both Humphrey and Linderbam the last 2 years. But not much more I can do than sit back and trust Beane. We'll see how it goes again this May. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t disagree. He is a fine short yardage option. Harris is an okay back but don’t want people to think that he is some star. He hasn’t been. He’s Jamal Williams without receiving skills and an injury history. In the Bills O he would not have gotten many of these touches. I do hope it works out but until proven otherwise the ball in Josh hands in these situations has proven most effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t disagree. He is a fine short yardage option. Harris is an okay back but don’t want people to think that he is some star. He hasn’t been. He’s Jamal Williams without receiving skills and an injury history. I don't imagine many people think that he's any kind of star. I view him as a dependable pro running back with some size that can fill a very useful role. Specifically, seeing all those "1s" and "2"s in that graphic you posted makes me very happy. Why? Because the Bills were quite awful at converting 3rd and short last year. When it was 3rd and goal from the 2, how confident did YOU feel last year that the offense would score? I didn't feel very confident. THAT is where I think Harris will have a useful role in this offense. Personally, I would have preferred using an undrafted free agent for that role. But if the front office wants at least one running back on the roster who has proven to be a dependable short yardage option, scoring option, and pass blocker (rather than gambling on the idea that a rookie can do those things), I get it. Furthermore, if Cook or Hines were to miss time, I would feel pretty confident that the Bills could still muster a decent rushing attack with Damien Harris getting snaps. Edited March 21, 2023 by Logic 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 We needed a back that can pound it in from short range. We got one, and didn't burn a draft pick on him. Our O-Line still needs shoring up, we need a MLB and a WR2. We also could really use anything resembling a pass rush from someone who's initials are not VM. The more holes we fill now, the fewer we'll have in the draft and the more selective we can be with our picks. I like this signing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t disagree. He is a fine short yardage option. Harris is an okay back but don’t want people to think that he is some star. He hasn’t been. He’s Jamal Williams without receiving skills and an injury history. This is exactly what I wanted in a RB signing. Let Cook and Hines move it up and down the field. But when we still inside the 5, bring in Harris. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Wiz said: I'll take him trying into a pile vs Josh trying to jump over it. So now we want Harris having the ball over Josh? When he was on the Pats I guarantee we would all say Josh is more dangerous in the red zone than Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuscott16 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: This is exactly what I wanted in a RB signing. Let Cook and Hines move it up and down the field. But when we still inside the 5, bring in Harris. If nothing else, it makes people have to respect the run. No one was fearing Singletary plowing into the line. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, ngbills said: So now we want Harris having the ball over Josh? When he was on the Pats I guarantee we would all say Josh is more dangerous in the red zone than Harris. Why not both? Seriously, it's nicer to have two options in that situation so the opposing defense can't just focus 11 players and 3 cheerleaders on Josh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Doc said: That will depend on how he does in the NFL. Josh was considered a reach at 7. He was in play for the 1st pick, it was between him and Baker. Not a reach to anyone except a few posters here who wanted Rosen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Truly appreciate doing all this leg work. 🙏 We're already a much more successful team than most on that list outside of KC (maybe Rams since they won a SB in there, but as even they would tell you: "Eff them picks"), so I dont see Comp Picks being the key to putting teams over the top. Or even the reason for keeping these teams good. SF has played in 3 conference championship games and a Superbowl in the last 4 seasons. I think you're selling them short by saying that the Bills have been more successful than they have. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, ngbills said: So now we want Harris having the ball over Josh? When he was on the Pats I guarantee we would all say Josh is more dangerous in the red zone than Harris. One is expendable. the other is not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, The Wiz said: I'll take him trying into a pile vs Josh trying to jump over it. This is perfectly reasonable and will hopefully keep Josh hits down. Moss couldn’t get it done. Harris has been good in those situations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Billl said: SF has played in 3 conference championship games and a Superbowl in the last 4 seasons. I think you're selling them short by saying that the Bills have been more successful than they have. One could argue the AFC is better in terms of teams top to bottom. The 49ers have a great defense and skill players yet still lack a game changing QB if Purdy remains hurt but still he's also a question mark. Edited March 21, 2023 by The Jokeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, ngbills said: So now we want Harris having the ball over Josh? When he was on the Pats I guarantee we would all say Josh is more dangerous in the red zone than Harris. If we're talking about Josh simply doing the drive into the pile and getting shoved from behind by our big WRs, then yeah, I'd rather have Harris instead of risking Josh. Roll outs, outside runs, etc. I'd rather have Josh. But now Harris opens us up to the play action dive fake, Josh roll out and pass/run, and defenses actually have to respect Harris's short yardage ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said: Smash Mouth AND Road Grader in one post ? If you throw in Thumper and Speed Burner, I have a Mel Kiper Bingo! I wish we had a slot WR who was a real gym rat and film junkie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Logic said: I don't imagine many people think that he's any kind of star. I view him as a dependable pro running back with some size that can fill a very useful role. Specifically, seeing all those "1s" and "2"s in that graphic you posted makes me very happy. Why? Because the Bills were quite awful at converting 3rd and short last year. When it was 3rd and goal from the 2, how confident did YOU feel last year that the offense would score? I didn't feel very confident. THAT is where I think Harris will have a useful role in this offense. Personally, I would have preferred using an undrafted free agent for that role. But if the front office wants at least one running back on the roster who has proven to be a dependable short yardage option, scoring option, and pass blocker (rather than gambling on the idea that a rookie can do those things), I get it. Furthermore, if Cook or Hines were to miss time, I would feel pretty confident that the Bills could still muster a decent rushing attack with Damien Harris getting snaps. I agree 100% with everything that you are saying. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Difficult to not see Harris as at least a mild upgrade over Motor. Tough runner who hasn’t really done much as a receiver. Also good in pass pro FWIH. Biggest questions involve contract details and whether or not he can be as successful behind the Bills OL and in their offense as he was in NE. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Well, I agree, but I don't think I said anything with that connotation, though no doubt there are those who hold that sentiment. In my view, Beane is a good GM, but he could be better and he may become better. In general, as I stated before, my main criticism is that I think he over values "filling all the holes." It's not a bad thing, but I think he should shift his criteria somewhat in favor of hitting on difference makers. I also believe in today's NFL, you shouldn't ignore the defense, but I would pitch the balance over towards the offense, especially when you have a generational talent like Josh Allen at qb. I'm pretty sure @Kirby Jackson and @GunnerBill will agree with me on this, among others, though I could be mistaken. But look at the moves the FO has done - upgrade the OL, improve the WR room depth-wise at least, and improve the RB room (especially short yardage). All incremental improvements on the offensive side of the ball while letting the defense take a step down talent-wise with Edmunds leaving. The FO has done the exact thing many of us have wanted. May not be in as big of a way, or the exact personnel, but clearly the O has been the focus. And of course, it's not over. If the FO comes up with a D Hop or OBJ (or my sleeper M Evans) they would have hit a home run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Billl said: SF has played in 3 conference championship games and a Superbowl in the last 4 seasons. I think you're selling them short by saying that the Bills have been more successful than they have. This is why you’re here. To troll Bills fans that prop their team up. my niners fan buddy would take our team over his team every day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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