Bills!Win! Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) I like to pretend that we lost Edmunds but replaced him with Hyde and Miller in FA. Plus Poyer won’t be playing injured. Successful offseason so far. Can we start a blame Edmunds post and invite some bears fans? Edited March 16, 2023 by Bills!Win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 One thing that kind of sucks about Poyer coming back is we are now unlikely to get a 3rd round comp pick for Edmunds. I'm not sure Poyer is worth whatever cap space he'll take up plus a 3rd round pick, versus just starting Benford at his spot. I'm not as excited about this re-signing as I want to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, HappyDays said: One thing that kind of sucks about Poyer coming back is we are now unlikely to get a 3rd round comp pick for Edmunds. I'm not sure Poyer is worth whatever cap space he'll take up plus a 3rd round pick, versus just starting Benford at his spot. I'm not as excited about this re-signing as I want to be. OK so We know that Jordan is good We’ve never seen Benford play safety No, I certainly hope the Christian Benford ends up being an excellent safety, because Jordan and hyde are not gonna be with us forever if he ended up being a back up safety for us, and a good one, then that would be awesome Just on a sidenote, as a whole the other thing that we haven’t done, a lot is play our young guys we don’t know what we have in a lot of these young players whenever you’re playing a franchise QB you have to player draft picks, so we might be seeing what we have more out of some of these guys this upcoming year Edited March 16, 2023 by John from Riverside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 OMG! Got rid of Edmunds and brought back Poyer? ***** fantastic!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, pigpen65 said: OMG! Got rid of Edmunds and brought back Poyer? ***** fantastic!!! you wanted them to pay Edmunds $18M+ a year? I absolutely wouldn’t. I’m not even an Edmunds hater but that was surely a luxury contract by the Bears because they have so much cap space. Edited March 16, 2023 by JoPoy88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said: you wanted them to pay Edmunds $18M+ a year? I absolutely wouldn’t. I’m not even an Edmunds hater but that was surely a luxury contract by the Bears because they have so much cap space. I wasn't being sarcastic. Edmunds was ***** terrible. Psyched to have Poyer back 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, pigpen65 said: I wasn't being sarcastic. Edmunds was ***** terrible. Psyched to have Poyer back oh no problem then I’m with u 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: One thing that kind of sucks about Poyer coming back is we are now unlikely to get a 3rd round comp pick for Edmunds. I'm not sure Poyer is worth whatever cap space he'll take up plus a 3rd round pick, versus just starting Benford at his spot. I'm not as excited about this re-signing as I want to be. When Poyer is healthy we have maybe the best veteran safety duo in the NFL. I can't worry about chasing comp picks. Some teams are better at accumulating them than others. If we can land Wagner for a couple years, we'll be in a very good position defensively. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: When Poyer is healthy we have maybe the best veteran safety duo in the NFL. I can't worry about chasing comp picks. Some teams are better at accumulating them than others. If we can land Wagner for a couple years, we'll be in a very good position defensively. No one should be worried about chasing comp picks. So stupid. This board has an obscene obsession with these things. I never understood it. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: No one should be worried about chasing comp picks. So stupid. This board has an obscene obsession with these things. I never understood it. I'm not "chasing comp picks." If signing Poyer instead of him signing elsewhere means that we lose a 3rd round comp pick, that means we basically gave up a 3rd rounder for him. I know it's not really that simple but that's the possible outcome here. If it came down to it I would rather have the cap space and the 3rd rounder in 2024 than just Poyer. I say that as a huge fan of his. But football is a business and shrewdness often wins in the end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'm not "chasing comp picks." If signing Poyer instead of him signing elsewhere means that we lose a 3rd round comp pick, that means we basically gave up a 3rd rounder for him. I know it's not really that simple but that's the possible outcome here. If it came down to it I would rather have the cap space and the 3rd rounder in 2024 than just Poyer. I say that as a huge fan of his. But football is a business and shrewdness often wins in the end. How does that work exactly because either way we were likely using the cap space we opened up, would that cost us the comp pick anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'm not "chasing comp picks." If signing Poyer instead of him signing elsewhere means that we lose a 3rd round comp pick, that means we basically gave up a 3rd rounder for him. I know it's not really that simple but that's the possible outcome here. If it came down to it I would rather have the cap space and the 3rd rounder in 2024 than just Poyer. I say that as a huge fan of his. But football is a business and shrewdness often wins in the end. so are they win now mode or no? Because I don’t care about a 3rd round pick if we get a healthy (and I understand that’s a dicey proposition) Poyer for another year. It’s not an obvious decision either way so I get you there. But I don’t think comp picks should come into it at all, not for this team right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 34 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'm not "chasing comp picks." If signing Poyer instead of him signing elsewhere means that we lose a 3rd round comp pick, that means we basically gave up a 3rd rounder for him. I know it's not really that simple but that's the possible outcome here. If it came down to it I would rather have the cap space and the 3rd rounder in 2024 than just Poyer. I say that as a huge fan of his. But football is a business and shrewdness often wins in the end. Would they likely have signed someone in FA to replace Poyer? If so doesnt make any difference to him re-signing here then... Need to lose more than you sign right to get a comp pick? Beane likes to fill all the holes in FA and go into the draft without obvious needs.. so unlikely a pick was coming our way as I expect him to still pick up a couple more guys... not sure how many more they are gunna lose.. Singletary maybe? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 5 hours ago, Airseven said: Bringing back the same defense - with more tread on the tires, without Miller and Edmunds, and relying on vets to overcome injury - is concerning. They still need a replacement MLB and another pass rusher opposite Rousseau. Perhaps there’s hope for an actual upgrade therein… It is important to remember that the Bills were missing Daquan Jones, Von Miller, and Micah Hyde for the playoff game .. three of their best defensive players. Miller is trending toward being ready by training camp last I heard. I also think Groot and Basham will continue to develop along with Elam .. so not quite so static Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Love Micah’s response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 hour ago, CorkScrewHill said: It is important to remember that the Bills were missing Daquan Jones, Von Miller, and Micah Hyde for the playoff game .. three of their best defensive players. Miller is trending toward being ready by training camp last I heard. I also think Groot and Basham will continue to develop along with Elam .. so not quite so static Bro @Airseven is not a Bills fan. No use arguing with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Poyer picked NYS tax for his public “complaint about Buffalo”. … think about the emotional intelligence in that public comment ?? It makes it clear that the money matters. it makes it clear he is fine with team, fans, mgt. brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 5 hours ago, HappyDays said: One thing that kind of sucks about Poyer coming back is we are now unlikely to get a 3rd round comp pick for Edmunds. I'm not sure Poyer is worth whatever cap space he'll take up plus a 3rd round pick, versus just starting Benford at his spot. I'm not as excited about this re-signing as I want to be. Honestly, this was probably the year to play the comp pick game and they are clearly not going to do it. They target specific players and it doesn’t appear that they take the comp pick game into account. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Honestly, this was probably the year to play the comp pick game and they are clearly not going to do it. They target specific players and it doesn’t appear that they take the comp pick game into account. Hard to play the comp pick game when they have so many roster spots to fill 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 This is good for the Bills. 2 years and an All Pro Safety remains on the Bills. This crap he’s old, banged up and slow is just that, crap. This past year is the first time he’s missed games and been hurt since 2017 minus I think 1 game or 2. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 16 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: bet the wife isn't happy. she wanted sunshine, beaches and low taxes. on another note, I'm glad he stays! Probably. She’s complained about Poyer and Hyde sacrificing for the team in the past. So she probably feels this is another sacrifice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 37 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: Hard to play the comp pick game when they have so many roster spots to fill And I’m not complaining about it, it just doesn’t seem to a be a thing in their wheelhouse, though we discuss it on here a lot. They target specific players every year and most of them are UFAs. Some teams just don’t sign anyone for what ever reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 4 hours ago, HappyDays said: I'm not "chasing comp picks." If signing Poyer instead of him signing elsewhere means that we lose a 3rd round comp pick, that means we basically gave up a 3rd rounder for him. I know it's not really that simple but that's the possible outcome here. If it came down to it I would rather have the cap space and the 3rd rounder in 2024 than just Poyer. I say that as a huge fan of his. But football is a business and shrewdness often wins in the end. 2 questions: 1. Are you sure that Poyer counts like any other free agent? I thought that re-signing your own doesn't count. 2. Do you understand how the formula works? If Poyer signs something like 14/2 does it mean we can completely lose 3rd round pick for TE, or it can just cause that it becomes lower pick, let's say 5th round? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: And I’m not complaining about it, it just doesn’t seem to a be a thing in their wheelhouse, though we discuss it on here a lot. They target specific players every year and most of them are UFAs. Some teams just don’t sign anyone for what ever reason. “What about the comp picks” yeah let’s let established guys walk for lottery tickets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 48 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: 2 questions: 1. Are you sure that Poyer counts like any other free agent? I thought that re-signing your own doesn't count. 2. Do you understand how the formula works? If Poyer signs something like 14/2 does it mean we can completely lose 3rd round pick for TE, or it can just cause that it becomes lower pick, let's say 5th round? It’s just a net plus/minus. Right now we lost two and signed two UFAs. Keenum/Edmunds and McGovern/Harty cancel each other out. I am not sure if K. Allen counts. Poyer leaving would have added to the other side, which puts a 3rd round pick in play. Since he re-signed he doesn’t affect the formula either way. If Singletary goes and we don’t sign anyone else, that comp pick is back in play. The only other somewhat noteworthy free agent we have is Saffold. I assume that the Bills will sign a linebacker, maybe an RB and another OL somewhere here, so that makes this whole thing moot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 10 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: The longer it takes for the contract details to come out, the more I think it must be a team friendly deal. Makes me think so as well. Agents are typically the ones who leak the signing and make the deal sound the most lucrative for their client. We’ve seen that a few times over the past off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 So we still have no contract details?????? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: It’s just a net plus/minus. Right now we lost two and signed two UFAs. Keenum/Edmunds and McGovern/Harty cancel each other out. I am not sure if K. Allen counts. Poyer leaving would have added to the other side, which puts a 3rd round pick in play. Since he re-signed he doesn’t affect the formula either way. If Singletary goes and we don’t sign anyone else, that comp pick is back in play. The only other somewhat noteworthy free agent we have is Saffold. I assume that the Bills will sign a linebacker, maybe an RB and another OL somewhere here, so that makes this whole thing moot. Ok, so its really just number of players in/out and ONLY IF you lose more players than you sign then you start looking at the contracts? So let's say we only lose Edmunds for that crazy contract and sign some random RB for 6/2 and we get nothing? If that is the case I agree with @HappyDays that once you know 3rd round is in play for someone like Edmunds you should start considering "playing comp pick game". Not saying that you should do anything to get that comp pick, just take it into equation. If we don't get it because we lose 3 players and sign 3 players I'd say it could be a mistake. If we sign 5 FAs who qualify then like you said its all moot point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 32 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So we still have no contract details?????? guessing lots of Incentives are being put in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Finally something positive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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goober Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 9 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: All I see is resigning. Which is the opposite. He would of resigned if he could of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: So we still have no contract details?????? The fact that the agent hasn't leaked the details is a great sign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: The fact that the agent hasn't leaked the details is a great sign. Agreed, it is a good sign that it will not be something his agent is proud of. But what would you think in fact means? I've seen even numbers like $10M AAV floating around, which seems way to much to me. I hope it is $7M or so. Also, it was reported as 2yr deal, but we've seen in the past that it actually can be 1yr deal with void year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 6 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: “What about the comp picks” yeah let’s let established guys walk for lottery tickets. Comp picks are the most important thing in the NFL. I don't even know why they play the games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 2 hours ago, No_Matter_What said: Agreed, it is a good sign that it will not be something his agent is proud of. But what would you think in fact means? I've seen even numbers like $10M AAV floating around, which seems way to much to me. I hope it is $7M or so. Also, it was reported as 2yr deal, but we've seen in the past that it actually can be 1yr deal with void year. That's my hunch right now. Maybe a 2/$12M fully guaranteed, but that 2nd year is void. So it's really a 1/$12M for Poyer but $6M a year for the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Don't understand all the hoopla over comp picks and how we're never awarded any. My dad always told me, Son, you can't miss what you never had. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gflande1 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Jordan is on Pat McAfee Show right now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 6 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: It’s just a net plus/minus. Right now we lost two and signed two UFAs. Keenum/Edmunds and McGovern/Harty cancel each other out. I am not sure if K. Allen counts. Poyer leaving would have added to the other side, which puts a 3rd round pick in play. Since he re-signed he doesn’t affect the formula either way. If Singletary goes and we don’t sign anyone else, that comp pick is back in play. The only other somewhat noteworthy free agent we have is Saffold. I assume that the Bills will sign a linebacker, maybe an RB and another OL somewhere here, so that makes this whole thing moot. We'd get a 3rd for Edmunds and a 7th for Keenum hypothetically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, gflande1 said: Jordan is on Pat McAfee Show right now LOT of backtracking on those Vegas and Miami statements! All good. Glad to have him back. Free Agency market is a tough place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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