Lamar Jackson wants guarantees that exceed Watson contract

[wppete]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

First and foremost, that tweet and meme is hilarious from Lamar. Great meme'ing.

 

But bruh... That's not what we're here for and we're talking about MILLIONS of dollars in the balance.

 

Some of my favorite comments on this one:

 

• "Lamar tweets like a WR"
• "“People claim to care about mental health and yet i’m not allowed to break league rules? Smh”
• "How long before he freezes his foot?"

I like Lamar always have but man he is starting g to look like a major head-case. The spotlight is on him and he is being exposed. Interesting times and drama. 
 

 

Edited March 24, 2023 by wppete

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, wppete said:

I ole Lamar always have but man he is starting g to look like a major head-case. The spotlight is on him and he is being exposed. Interesting times and drama. 

 

He scored a 13 on his Wonderlic. A 13!

 

Unfortunately, he and his mom seem to be suffering from Chronic Poverty Brain. Can't see the bigger picture of spending a little money to make a TON of money. Trying to pinch every penny at his own detriment.

 

Kinda sad.

[stevestojan]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

He scored a 13 on his Wonderlic. A 13!

 

Unfortunately, he and his mom seem to be suffering from Chronic Poverty Brain. Can't see the bigger picture of spending a little money to make a TON of money. Trying to pinch every penny at his own detriment.

 

Kinda sad.

Honest question: wouldn’t the average adult American have to actively TRY to get a score that low? 

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, stevestojan said:

Honest question: wouldn’t the average adult American have to actively TRY to get a score that low? 

 

Yes. It is extraordinarily low. Like dude showed up and just marked "C" for every answer. Or made the bubbles into a picture. Or cant read.

 

All equally possible.

[SCBills]

 

[wppete]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

He scored a 13 on his Wonderlic. A 13!

 

Unfortunately, he and his mom seem to be suffering from Chronic Poverty Brain. Can't see the bigger picture of spending a little money to make a TON of money. Trying to pinch every penny at his own detriment.

 

Kinda sad.

Wonderlic aside he just doesn’t seem to get it, very immature. Or perhaps he is being advised by a bunch of morons with our experience. Spotlight is on him. 

[stevestojan]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yes. It is extraordinarily low. Like dude showed up and just marked "C" for every answer. Or made the bubbles into a picture. Or cant read.

 

All equally possible.

Just googled a bit and apparently 10 is the border of literacy. So I don’t think Lamar is regularly arguing over the proper use of the Oxford comma. 
 

I just think about the complexities of an NFL playbook… 

Edited March 24, 2023 by stevestojan

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, wppete said:

Wonderlic aside he just doesn’t seem to get it, very immature. Or perhaps he is being advised by a bunch of morons with our experience. Spotlight is on him. 

 

From the sounds of it, it's him and his mom coming up out of a rough situation, without the proper background education on these matters. And the usual swarm of circling yes-men trying to get in to get a piece of his pie.

 

My Chronic Poverty Brain comment isn't really a joke.

 

Again, on one hand it's kinda sad. But on the other hand, literally 99% of players have agents. Every big name QB as far as I know (Brisset is not a top QB). Just do the simple, right, easy, popular thing.

[wppete]

8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

From the sounds of it, it's him and his mom coming up out of a rough situation, without the proper background education on these matters. And the usual swarm of circling yes-men trying to get in to get a piece of his pie.

 

My Chronic Poverty Brain comment isn't really a joke.

 

Again, on one hand it's kinda sad. But on the other hand, literally 99% of players have agents. Every big name QB as far as I know (Brisset is not a top QB). Just do the simple, right, easy, popular thing.

I think he is just being a great son and rewarding his mom. She seems like a sweet lady but absolutely no experience in any sort of contract negotiation. For sure there are some dirtbags in the shadows badly advising him.

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, wppete said:

I think he is just being a great son and rewarding his mom. She seems like a sweet lady but absolutely no experience in any sort of contract negotiation. For sure there are some dirtbags in the shadows badly advising him.

 

That is absolutely possible, even in my description of the situation. I dont think there is anything he is doing that comes from a place of "evil" or bad intentions. It's just he and his mom dont know any better, and arent trusting any of the people out there to trust. You telling me Drew Rosenhaus wouldnt take him on? Like, dude, call literally the biggest, most trusted names in the industry. They'd love to take care of you. And would probably do it for only 1%.

[Albany,n.y.]

21 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

He scored a 13 on his Wonderlic. A 13!

 

Unfortunately, he and his mom seem to be suffering from Chronic Poverty Brain. Can't see the bigger picture of spending a little money to make a TON of money. Trying to pinch every penny at his own detriment.

 

Kinda sad.

 

20 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

Honest question: wouldn’t the average adult American have to actively TRY to get a score that low? 

The following guys got 15s : Dan Marino, Donovan McNabb, Jim Kelly & Terry Bradshaw. 

Is 2 points lower really that bad?  

[mikemac2001]

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

 

The following guys got 15s : Dan Marino, Donovan McNabb, Jim Kelly & Terry Bradshaw. 

Is 2 points lower really that bad?  

 

I dont think anyone has ever argued that the guys listed there are Rhodes Scholars. But theyre apparently smart enough to hire agents. And some very good agents at that!

[TheFunPolice]

This might explain why there are no offers. Lamar is a great player for sure, but this entire episode is a mess and might be a window into what things are like behind the scenes. 

[wppete]

16 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

That is absolutely possible, even in my description of the situation. I dont think there is anything he is doing that comes from a place of "evil" or bad intentions. It's just he and his mom dont know any better, and arent trusting any of the people out there to trust. You telling me Drew Rosenhaus wouldnt take him on? Like, dude, call literally the biggest, most trusted names in the industry. They'd love to take care of you. And would probably do it for only 1%.

Yeah I agree. Lamar doesn’t understand he is dealing with some of the biggest sharks in business in America. This whole situation shows his ignorance… I still believe there are people in the shadows misadvising him. 

[DrDawkinstein]

23 minutes ago, wppete said:

Yeah I agree. Lamar doesn’t understand he is dealing with some of the biggest sharks in business in America. This whole situation shows his ignorance… I still believe there are people in the shadows misadvising him. 

 

We KNOW there are. At least one is named Ken Francis.

 

While we're on this topic, I suggest everyone google the name "Saint Omni". Interesting stuff regarding Roquan Smith "representing himself".

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

He scored a 13 on his Wonderlic. A 13!

 

Unfortunately, he and his mom seem to be suffering from Chronic Poverty Brain. Can't see the bigger picture of spending a little money to make a TON of money. Trying to pinch every penny at his own detriment.

 

Kinda sad.

2 less than dan Marino & Jim Kelly!!!

 

I hate agents. Have no real talent except leeching off more talent people. But it might be time for Lamar bite the bullet. Still think he is getting a huge contract but maybe not with the guarantee money he wants.

[Matt_In_NH]

This guy has way overplayed his hand.  At this point, any GM h as to have real concerns about this guys decision making and team character.

[ColoradoBills]

10 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

This guy has way overplayed his hand.  At this point, any GM h as to have real concerns about this guys decision making and team character.

 

Th "team" thing confuses me the most in all of this.

The Ravens took a chance on Lamar when a lot of the league didn't believe in him and traded up to draft him with a SB winning,

high dollar QB, on the roster.

 

They made Lamar the starter and designed a team around him to succeed.  Then they gave him an extremely good offer at the start

of his 4th season.  I can only look at life through my own eyes, but I would have shown my "loyalty" to the team and signed it.

 

The Baltimore ownership and management have to feel a lot of regret where they find themselves now.  I wonder if Lamar even considers that?

[mikemac2001]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Th "team" thing confuses me the most in all of this.

The Ravens took a chance on Lamar when a lot of the league didn't believe in him and traded up to draft him with a SB winning,

high dollar QB, on the roster.

 

They made Lamar the starter and designed a team around him to succeed.  Then they gave him an extremely good offer at the start

of his 4th season.  I can only look at life through my own eyes, but I would have shown my "loyalty" to the team and signed it.

 

The Baltimore ownership and management have to feel a lot of regret where they find themselves now.  I wonder if Lamar even considers that?

And offered him a fair contract but it wasn’t like Watson’s so he threw a fit then didn’t play to avoid injuries 

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:

And offered him a fair contract but it wasn’t like Watson’s so he threw a fit then didn’t play to avoid injuries 

 

I just don't get him.

[Matt_In_NH]

5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Th "team" thing confuses me the most in all of this.

The Ravens took a chance on Lamar when a lot of the league didn't believe in him and traded up to draft him with a SB winning,

high dollar QB, on the roster.

 

They made Lamar the starter and designed a team around him to succeed.  Then they gave him an extremely good offer at the start

of his 4th season.  I can only look at life through my own eyes, but I would have shown my "loyalty" to the team and signed it.

 

The Baltimore ownership and management have to feel a lot of regret where they find themselves now.  I wonder if Lamar even considers that?

Obviously not, he believes he has more value than he does and he is going to lose out because of it most likely.   I mean in the grand scheme of things he will be fine, filthy rich and whatnot.  But he does not seem like someone who is team first, he is "me first" and teams pick up on that.  I mean did he sit out at the end of last season for injury or was that a contract thing?  There are rumblings it was about a contract....if true, the guy you want to be your leader left his teammates out to dry and he is the opposite of what you want.   Many people I think are loyal to a greater good and agents have to walk them through the business process.   But not all... This reminds me of the Leveon Bell thing...he ended up costing himself a lot but turning down what the Steelers were offering.  If Lamar does not get an offer it will be very interesting to see how this goes.

[SCBills]

Ravens, in an attempt to further make their fanbase lose their minds …

 

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

 

A team will have to trade 2 first round picks to obtain Lamar if the Ravens decide to not match the offer. However, if the Ravens are actually willful trade partners in that scenario, couldn't the Ravens send back a second and third round pick or whatever picks they want to sweeten the deal so a deal gets done. If teams are hesitant to trade for Lamar due to the two first round picks but the Ravens really want to move off of him for the equivalent of say one first rounder and a 3rd rounder than they would have to send picks back to the team that acquires him. 

 

Or do the rules of the franchise tag prevent manipulation of the established 2 first round pick trade value? 

 

I ask because I keep hearing " it will cost a team two first round picks" wondering if that is actually true. Heck technically couldn't the Ravens send back a 2024 first round pick which would basically make acquiring Lamar the cost of just one first round pick. 

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

A team will have to trade 2 first round picks to obtain Lamar if the Ravens decide to not match the offer. However, if the Ravens are actually willful trade partners in that scenario, couldn't the Ravens send back a second and third round pick or whatever picks they want to sweeten the deal so a deal gets done. If teams are hesitant to trade for Lamar due to the two first round picks but the Ravens really want to move off of him for the equivalent of say one first rounder and a 3rd rounder than they would have to send picks back to the team that acquires him. 

 

Or do the rules of the franchise tag prevent manipulation of the established 2 first round pick trade value? 

 

I ask because I keep hearing " it will cost a team two first round picks" wondering if that is actually true. Heck technically couldn't the Ravens send back a 2024 first round pick which would basically make acquiring Lamar the cost of just one first round pick. 

 

My understanding is the tag rules are written in stone.  I can't ever recall anyone mentioning that is an option, but I could be wrong.

[aristocrat]

5 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

The fact that I know who that is means I might have a problem 🤭

 

sinner

[Mr. WEO]

For a guy with his injury history and playoff record, $133 million guaranteed was incredibly generous. 

[stevestojan]

3 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

 

The following guys got 15s : Dan Marino, Donovan McNabb, Jim Kelly & Terry Bradshaw. 

Is 2 points lower really that bad?  

It is not. And thanks for the context! 

[Doc]

4 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

The following guys got 15s : Dan Marino, Donovan McNabb, Jim Kelly & Terry Bradshaw. 

Is 2 points lower really that bad?  

 

Did anyone prepare for the Wonderlic/take it seriously some 40-50 years ago?

Edited March 24, 2023 by Doc

[Punching Bag]

19 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Lamars' mom just tried to backdoor one of the most tight-knit and resourceful businesses in sports.

 

He's about to get the Kaepernick treatment.

 

 

 

Is he that out of shape already?

[Punching Bag]

7 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

 

The following guys got 15s : Dan Marino, Donovan McNabb, Jim Kelly & Terry Bradshaw. 

Is 2 points lower really that bad?  

 

The test has changed and unlike then agents prep clients doing practice tests and teaching how to read & diagnose questions.

 

Lemar's mother did none of this.

She is a bad mother.

[Albany,n.y.]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Did anyone prepare for the Wonderlic/take it seriously some 40-50 years ago?

Not any more or less seriously than Lamar did.  

[benderbender]

 

[mikemac2001]

3 minutes ago, benderbender said:

 

Shut up 

 

Lamar Jackson quit on his team last year and is injury prone and doesn’t show up in the playoffs.

 

RG3 just talks so people pay attention to his busted leg that can’t play anymore 

[Dr. Who]

5 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:

Shut up 

 

Lamar Jackson quit on his team last year and is injury prone and doesn’t show up in the playoffs.

 

RG3 just talks so people pay attention to his busted leg that can’t play anymore 

What, all he wants is something north of 230 million guaranteed. How can you not see that he is heroically fighting against the Man?

[purple haze]

9 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Th "team" thing confuses me the most in all of this.

The Ravens took a chance on Lamar when a lot of the league didn't believe in him and traded up to draft him with a SB winning,

high dollar QB, on the roster.

 

They made Lamar the starter and designed a team around him to succeed.  Then they gave him an extremely good offer at the start

of his 4th season.  I can only look at life through my own eyes, but I would have shown my "loyalty" to the team and signed it.

 

The Baltimore ownership and management have to feel a lot of regret where they find themselves now.  I wonder if Lamar even considers that?

You all are wild.  Why should he consider that?  This is basic business. Watson signed a deal for 230 million guaranteed.  Jackson is no less accomplished and his contract talks were coming up.  Of course he’ll want what Watson received plus more.  That’s usually how it works.   Lamar doesn’t have the issue.   The Haslem’s bad decision making is the issue.  
 

if I’m Lamar Jackson I won’t take less from Baltimore.  If I have to take less it will be in another uniform and I would not play on the tag either.  Sit out.  In that scenario they will trade him eventually.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, purple haze said:

You all are wild.  Why should he consider that?  This is basic business. Watson signed a deal for 230 million guaranteed.  Jackson is no less accomplished and his contract talks were coming up.  Of course he’ll want what Watson received plus more.  That’s usually how it works.   Lamar doesn’t have the issue.   The Haslem’s bad decision making is the issue.  
 

if I’m Lamar Jackson I won’t take less from Baltimore.  If I have to take less it will be in another uniform and I would not play on the tag either.  Sit out.  In that scenario they will trade him eventually.

 

He won't get what he's looking for from anyone.  And in the meantime he'll cost himself $50M+.

[NoSaint]

31 minutes ago, purple haze said:

You all are wild.  Why should he consider that?  This is basic business. Watson signed a deal for 230 million guaranteed.  Jackson is no less accomplished and his contract talks were coming up.  Of course he’ll want what Watson received plus more.  That’s usually how it works.   Lamar doesn’t have the issue.   The Haslem’s bad decision making is the issue.  
 

if I’m Lamar Jackson I won’t take less from Baltimore.  If I have to take less it will be in another uniform and I would not play on the tag either.  Sit out.  In that scenario they will trade him eventually.

so far that ego you share is costing him money he will never get back.

 

he may be well served to pay more attention to his own house instead of trying to outdo his neighbor. He’d not only likely be wealthier but also happier. His choice though.

[stuvian]

1 hour ago, benderbender said:

 

RG3's fifteen minutes of fame were over a decade ago. Maybe he should tell us how much of a kill fee Snyder paid to bury his memoir 

[Governor]

1 hour ago, purple haze said:

You all are wild.  Why should he consider that?  This is basic business. Watson signed a deal for 230 million guaranteed.  Jackson is no less accomplished and his contract talks were coming up.  Of course he’ll want what Watson received plus more.  That’s usually how it works.   Lamar doesn’t have the issue.   The Haslem’s bad decision making is the issue.  
 

if I’m Lamar Jackson I won’t take less from Baltimore.  If I have to take less it will be in another uniform and I would not play on the tag either.  Sit out.  In that scenario they will trade him eventually.

I think the Ravens are praying someone trades for him but it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen. At that point they’re basically screwed and he will probably sit or the Ravens could make an example out of him and just bench him. It could get ugly.

 

I said 2 years ago that the Jackson experiment in Baltimore was coming to a close and I still believe that. That first Bills game made their decision for them. That was his ceiling.

 

It’s time to move on before they all get fired.

Edited March 25, 2023 by Governor