FYI…for those worried about cap space Josh solves all problems

[78thealltimegreat]

Howard and Jeremy on WGR this morning where having a discussion about the Bills Cap space…when looking into it a simple restructuring of Josh’s contract and just his alone would allow the Bills to have up to 21 million in cap space. Much less others on the team. 

So while I don’t expect the Bills to major free agent players. They can easily slide a vet or two on the roster if the vet comes at the right price. 
 

On the negative the franchise tag for a LB is 20 million and the transition tag is 15…so with other needs like many have been screaming about like oline Tremaine is signing long term or he’s gone. Such is life in the NFL. 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, 78thealltimegreat said:

Howard and Jeremy on WGR this morning where having a discussion about the Bills Cap space…when looking into it a simple restructuring of Josh’s contract and just his alone would allow the Bills to have up to 21 million in cap space. Much less others on the team. 

So while I don’t expect the Bills to major free agent players. They can easily slide a vet or two on the roster if the vet comes at the right price. 
 

On the negative the franchise tag for a LB is 20 million and the transition tag is 15…so with other needs like many have been screaming about like oline Tremaine is signing long term or he’s gone. Such is life in the NFL. 

I just can’t see the bills using the franchise tag

[SCBills]

They can probably backload Tremaine's contract given how young he is.   You expect he'll, at least, play at his current level through the entirety of his contract.

 

Restructuring Allen is, of course, going to be available for us.  Have the Chiefs touched Mahomes contract yet? 

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Howard and Jeremy on WGR this morning where having a discussion about the Bills Cap space…when looking into it a simple restructuring of Josh’s contract and just his alone would allow the Bills to have up to 21 million in cap space. Much less others on the team. 

So while I don’t expect the Bills to major free agent players. They can easily slide a vet or two on the roster if the vet comes at the right price. 
 

On the negative the franchise tag for a LB is 20 million and the transition tag is 15…so with other needs like many have been screaming about like oline Tremaine is signing long term or he’s gone. Such is life in the NFL. 

 

Restructuring just pushes the bill down the road.

[colin]

i think we have to let edmunds and poyer walk.

 

i think tre white, edmunds, poyer and hyde will all be gone after next season.  we can't pay players who aren't difference makers

[BringBackFergy]

Just now, 78thealltimegreat said:

 

On the negative the franchise tag for a LB is 20 million and the transition tag is 15…so with other needs like many have been screaming about like oline Tremaine is signing long term or he’s gone. Such is life in the NFL. 

Tremaine can chase more money elsewhere...he's used to chasing things.

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

They can probably backload Tremaine's contract given how young he is.   You expect he'll, at least, play at his current level through the entirety of his contract.

 

Restructuring Allen is, of course, going to be available for us.  Have the Chiefs touched Mahomes contract yet? 

2 years ago Mahomes and Hill was restructured to get an offensive line. it worked out well for them.

Just now, BringBackFergy said:

Tremaine can chase more money elsewhere...he's used to chasing things.

I would argue scheme has put Edmunds in bad situations. Last game, the middle of the field was open ALL GAME LONG. That is not on tre if he is schemed to go elsewhere. 

[Sharky7337]

1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said:

2 years ago Mahomes and Hill was restructured to get an offensive line. it worked out well for them.

I would argue scheme has put Edmunds in bad situations. Last game, the middle of the field was open ALL GAME LONG. That is not on tre if he is schemed to go elsewhere. 

The foundation of the Tampa 2 defensive scheme is linebacker covering the middle of the field on pass plays.

 

If you pay Edmunds you seal your fate. Send joe Burrow a box a cigars with that contract.

 

He's just not a enough of a difference maker when. It matters.

Edited January 24, 2023 by Sharky7337

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Let's keep on restructuring all the contracts, as long as the pegulas are cool with fronting the cash

 

Kick the can down the road. Rather be in cap trouble when Josh Allen is retired than right now 

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

The foundation of the Tampa 2 defensive scheme is linebacker covering the middle of the field on pass plays.

If you pay Edmunds you seal your fate. Send joe Burrow a box a cigars with that contract.

 

He's just not a enough of a difference maker when. It matters.

 

100%

 

Edmunds is good, not great

 

Oliver is good, not great

 

If this organization is serious about helping Allen, we let Edmunds walk and trade Oliver. 

 

Right out the gate we have 11M to play with plus any restructures to sign a legit WR and/or OL help before we even get to the Draft. 

[BarleyNY]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

Restructuring just pushes the bill down the road.

That’s correct, but it will be necessary. There is also the advantage of a discount for pushing cap hits to future years. That’s because the cap (almost) always increases and the cap hit moving forward stays at the same nominal value. It does make a big difference cumulatively and when done over multiple years. 
 

If anyone wants to see how restructuring the contracts of Allen and other players would impact this year’s cap space and cap space into the future you can use OTC’s calculator. If you select the “restructure” option next to a player it populates the fields with the maximum amounts that can be restructured and spreads that out over the length of the existing contract.

 

https://overthecap.com/calculator/buffalo-bills

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, Sharky7337 said:

The foundation of the Tampa 2 defensive scheme is linebacker covering the middle of the field on pass plays.

I would argue what we do is different than a tampa 2 defense cause they have edmunds everywhere BUT the middle of the field on a ton of plays.

 

 

[Scott7975]

20 mil doesnt go far when you start in the negative and then have to sign like 24 players just to have a full roster.

Edited January 24, 2023 by Scott7975

[BarleyNY]

Restructuring the maximum possible amounts for Allen, Diggs, Miller, White, Milano and Dawkins would take us up to $49.2M in cap space (assuming a league base cap of $225M). We’d have 39 players under contract and lots of work to be done. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

20 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Howard and Jeremy on WGR this morning where having a discussion about the Bills Cap space…when looking into it a simple restructuring of Josh’s contract and just his alone would allow the Bills to have up to 21 million in cap space. Much less others on the team. 

So while I don’t expect the Bills to major free agent players. They can easily slide a vet or two on the roster if the vet comes at the right price. 
 

On the negative the franchise tag for a LB is 20 million and the transition tag is 15…so with other needs like many have been screaming about like oline Tremaine is signing long term or he’s gone. Such is life in the NFL. 

If Edmunds is here they would sign long term and push huge cap hits back.

[Sharky7337]

14 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I would argue what we do is different than a tampa 2 defense cause they have edmunds everywhere BUT the middle of the field on a ton of plays.

 

 

Ya I dunno. He is supposed to plays everywhere else when it's not pass. I'm not sure their exact twist on it schematically.

 

But foundationally he should drop for pass and collapse on run.

 

But he's more of a folder. (Sorry joking)

 

But it's not all him it's about do I trust these coaches defensively? No I don't anymore.

 

Even Rex had some game plans once in a while that impressed me.

 

The only game plan that I think really ever worked was the ravens playoff game.

 

Maybe I'm not a defensive guru, but I just don't trust them anymore.

 

I mean "milf hunter" Zack Wilson looked like the next coming of Montana versus us. 

 

Third string dolphins QB looked like a seasoned starter.

 

 

Edited January 24, 2023 by Sharky7337

[ngbills]

2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

That’s correct, but it will be necessary. There is also the advantage of a discount for pushing cap hits to future years. That’s because the cap (almost) always increases and the cap hit moving forward stays at the same nominal value. It does make a big difference cumulatively and when done over multiple years. 
 

If anyone wants to see how restructuring the contracts of Allen and other players would impact this year’s cap space and cap space into the future you can use OTC’s calculator. If you select the “restructure” option next to a player it populates the fields with the maximum amounts that can be restructured and spreads that out over the length of the existing contract.

 

https://overthecap.com/calculator/buffalo-bills

And every team does it. And it is more of given the player more of the cash sooner than anything. The team has to be willing to pay more cash upfront when you restrux. You only get screwed if you release the guy - if we are releasing Allen we have way bigger problems.  

[Calidiehard]

20 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Restructuring just pushes the bill down the road.

For him it is good, because he will be here long term.

[jahnyc]

Thanks for the OvertheCap calculator link.  Looks like we can free up to about $40 million with Allen, Miller, Diggs and Milano.  I wouldn't restructure White or Dawkins at this point.  Even if we can do this, is this enough to do anymore than sign our draft picks, re-sign some of our free agents and sign some free agents to be back-ups so that we have a full roster?

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

12 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Let's keep on restructuring all the contracts, as long as the pegulas are cool with fronting the cash

 

Kick the can down the road. Rather be in cap trouble when Josh Allen is retired than right now 

So, the Bills could have a 'Bobby Bonilla Day', except rename it for Josh Allen? 🤔

[ALLinALLEN]

I would do anything in this world to get out of the Tre contract. I think he's donezo as a CB 1 in this league (yes there are 30 better CBs).

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Interesting topic, although as some indicated it may seem like kicking the can down the road, it is a useful tactic that all teams employ with regards to key players. The rules for cap space charges upwards and the values just go on up so it can be useful at gaining discounts.

[Warriorspikes51]

9 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Restructuring the maximum possible amounts for Allen, Diggs, Miller, White, Milano and Dawkins would take us up to $49.2M in cap space (assuming a league base cap of $225M). We’d have 39 players under contract and lots of work to be done. 

trade Oliver and White.  Sign a cheaper bigger DT.  Elam takes over for White

[DCbillsfan]

14 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

 

But it's not all him it's about do I trust these coaches defensively? No I don't anymore.

 

Maybe I'm not a defensive guru, but I just don't trust them anymore.

 

 

 

The last 3 playoff losses, 27 - 10 Bengals, 42 - 36 Chiefs, and 38 - 20 Chiefs is pretty concerning.

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said:

I would do anything in this world to get out of the Tre contract. I think he's donezo as a CB 1 in this league (yes there are 30 better CBs).

 

If Tre is going to get back to pro-bowl caliber, it would happen next year.  That's typically the timeline for an ACL with a Cornerback.

 

That said, he says a lot of stuff that makes me wonder if his head is in it.  

 

I just don't know about him.  No idea what to expect this off-season, because if the Bills truly want to help Josh Allen, they are going to have to make some pretty surprising moves with this Defensive roster. 

[damj]

We can save $2.7 mil by cutting Siran Neal after 6/1. $3.3 mil for a ST who can't play on D is a luxury we can't afford any more

 

I like Hines, but $4.5 mil is alot if we're not going to use him on offense.

 

 

Edited January 24, 2023 by damj

[TheyCallMeAndy]

37 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Howard and Jeremy on WGR this morning where having a discussion about the Bills Cap space…when looking into it a simple restructuring of Josh’s contract and just his alone would allow the Bills to have up to 21 million in cap space. Much less others on the team. 

So while I don’t expect the Bills to major free agent players. They can easily slide a vet or two on the roster if the vet comes at the right price. 
 

On the negative the franchise tag for a LB is 20 million and the transition tag is 15…so with other needs like many have been screaming about like oline Tremaine is signing long term or he’s gone. Such is life in the NFL. 

I imagine Miller will also take a big restructure. His cap hit is 18 but his base is 1.3 million. 

[JerseyBills]

I hope we keep Maine over poyer and definitely Oliver. 

 

[BillsFan130]

32 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

The foundation of the Tampa 2 defensive scheme is linebacker covering the middle of the field on pass plays.

If you pay Edmunds you seal your fate. Send joe Burrow a box a cigars with that contract.

 

He's just not a enough of a difference maker when. It matters.

Nope. He plays well against average teams, but great QBS toy with him all game long.

 

See ya later in my books

 

 

[JerseyBills]

16 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said:

I would do anything in this world to get out of the Tre contract. I think he's donezo as a CB 1 in this league (yes there are 30 better CBs).

Why do you say that

[damj]

Just now, JerseyBills said:

Why do you say that

[BuffaloRebound]

9 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Interesting topic, although as some indicated it may seem like kicking the can down the road, it is a useful tactic that all teams employ with regards to key players. The rules for cap space charges upwards and the values just go on up so it can be useful at gaining discounts.

Exactly.  It’s almost negligent if you don’t push current money into future years.  If I know my income is guaranteed to go up 6-7% every year (the TV contracts are locked in for the next 10 years) and I’m allowed to push some of my bills into the future interest free, I’d be a fool not to.  

[Billz4ever]

17 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

That’s correct, but it will be necessary. There is also the advantage of a discount for pushing cap hits to future years. That’s because the cap (almost) always increases and the cap hit moving forward stays at the same nominal value. It does make a big difference cumulatively and when done over multiple years. 
 

If anyone wants to see how restructuring the contracts of Allen and other players would impact this year’s cap space and cap space into the future you can use OTC’s calculator. If you select the “restructure” option next to a player it populates the fields with the maximum amounts that can be restructured and spreads that out over the length of the existing contract.

 

https://overthecap.com/calculator/buffalo-bills

I'm sure Beane already had the things we're talking about now (like restructuring) for this offseason prepped and ready to go last season.  These GMs are always planning several seasons down the road. Obviously, he has no idea what the cap will actually be years in advance, but he can make educated projections from what he's hearing, and base what he's going to have to work with off of that.  People need not freak out over what our cap numbers look like in future seasons based on the cap for the current season.  

 

We may question some of the draft picks this team has made, but one thing I'm very confident in Beane in is with managing the numbers.

[damj]

4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

I'm sure Beane already had the things we're talking about now (like restructuring) for this offseason prepped and ready to go last season.  These GMs are always planning several seasons down the road. Obviously, he has no idea what the cap will actually be years in advance, but he can make educated projections from what he's hearing, and base what he's going to have to work with off of that.  People need not freak out over what our cap numbers look like in future seasons based on the cap for the current season.  

 

We may question some of the draft picks this team has made, but one thing I'm very confident in Beane in is with managing the numbers.

All Beane has to do is come to TBD for advice. He'll have a ton of cap space after he moves Allen, Diggs, White, Oliver, Dawkins, Milano.

[78thealltimegreat]

28 minutes ago, ngbills said:

And every team does it. And it is more of given the player more of the cash sooner than anything. The team has to be willing to pay more cash upfront when you restrux. You only get screwed if you release the guy - if we are releasing Allen we have way bigger problems.  

You make an excellent point this is where having one of the wealthiest owners in the sport really helps 

[TheWeatherMan]

46 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Howard and Jeremy on WGR this morning where having a discussion about the Bills Cap space…when looking into it a simple restructuring of Josh’s contract and just his alone would allow the Bills to have up to 21 million in cap space. Much less others on the team. 

So while I don’t expect the Bills to major free agent players. They can easily slide a vet or two on the roster if the vet comes at the right price. 
 

On the negative the franchise tag for a LB is 20 million and the transition tag is 15…so with other needs like many have been screaming about like oline Tremaine is signing long term or he’s gone. Such is life in the NFL. 

Doesn’t matter who we sign or draft unless we have a new OC and DC.  

[BarleyNY]

27 minutes ago, ngbills said:

And every team does it. And it is more of given the player more of the cash sooner than anything. The team has to be willing to pay more cash upfront when you restrux. You only get screwed if you release the guy - if we are releasing Allen we have way bigger problems.  

Yup. The real risk is if you do it with a player that decides to phone it in or becomes a problem. They already got almost all of their money for the season so the team doesn’t have any leverage. They can’t cut them right away and a suspension doesn’t cost the player much money because they are only getting the vet minimum salary.

 

This brings up an interesting point because it pertains to the recent Stefan Diggs drama. If the Bills restructure Diggs I think it’s a good sign that things got worked out. If they don’t, then the team might be taking things a little more cautiously. 

[Charles Romes]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

I just can’t see the bills using the franchise tag

Can’t they tag and trade Edmunds. There are lots of cash rich teams with people trying to save jobs.  The posterizing on GMFB today did not help but there has to be some takers. 

Edited January 24, 2023 by Charles Romes

[BarleyNY]

25 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

trade Oliver and White.  Sign a cheaper bigger DT.  Elam takes over for White

I think you gotta give White a chance to come back to full health. Besides, no team would trade for him with his current contract unless they saw the old Tre White first. If we get that, then we want him here. Also Elam has a lot to prove before he starts. 
 

Oliver has been a good DT, but not a great one, and that is very disappointing for a top 10 pick. He’s set to make $10.75M on his fifth year option in 2023 - that is all fully guaranteed. So the question is what, if anything, other teams would trade for him. I don’t think we’d get a lot of interest mainly because teams would look for either a cheaper player at his level or they’d pay a better one. 

[Donuts and Doritos]

Hi Josh, this is Brandon & Terry