Roundybout Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Agree. Need a oc (less pressure on Allen with more creative plays), wr's, slot wr, oline, back up te on offense. Gabe is a good 3 or great 4th string wr. If he can be the Tyler Boyd of the team, that's fine. We still need a Tee Higgins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 My postgame thought: what are they going to do with that mock Lombardi trophy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyMark Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 On the bright side, maybe this offseason Josh can....starting in a few days........exhale. Literally, just be himself with no one hovering over him. He looked so uncomfortable throughout the year. The weight of the world, big contract, all off-season hype, and then factor that into the reality he is a genuinely nice kid and all the major events this team, city, region, people endured since last spring and he just looked like he was on the precipice of being overwhelmed and like it would not take much for him to shut it down and walk away. To me at least, he never looked calm and confident. Not once. Maybe he goes dark for a few months, spends time doing what he wants to do with no bizarre expectations, takes the needed time to recalibrate and come back as the QB we know and love? That is my hope. The rest should fall into place. Really, we just need large and wide bodies on the lines. Clearly, it worked for Cinn. It should work for us. We were just too small on the DL and not physical on either line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 put a roof on it 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, stevestojan said: Anyone else strangely calm after this? Maybe I’m getting used to it or maybe I just never saw a path to beat the Bengals. But I’m over it already. I do think changes need to be made at the very highest levels, but I’m not going to let this ruin my day. Maybe next year. Yep kinda of calm myself. The game wasn't close so there's no agonizing over a handful of plays or calls imo. Edited January 23, 2023 by DCbillsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, Roundybout said: If he can be the Tyler Boyd of the team, that's fine. We still need a Tee Higgins. Shakir is ours Future star. Mark my words. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 36 minutes ago, stevestojan said: Anyone else strangely calm after this? Maybe I’m getting used to it or maybe I just never saw a path to beat the Bengals. But I’m over it already. I do think changes need to be made at the very highest levels, but I’m not going to let this ruin my day. Maybe next year. Nope. This was our year, and we frigging blew it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry jones Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 This was our year to make it happen. All the teams with good, young QB’s in the AFC have blown past us and it will be next to impossible to ever catch back up again. Especially with the philosophies on both sides of the ball. We could be in for a few down years before hopefully making another run when JA matures a little more. If we ever see that day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, papazoid said: put a roof on it or, actually try to prepare for a big game. It’s only been, you know, 56 years and counting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, muppy said: Shakir is ours Future star. Mark my words. I'm hopeful. He seems to have great hands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 40 minutes ago, Big Turk said: I just think they were spent. They looked spent. They looked flat and they looked like the tank was on E. People may say otherwise but based on the accumulation of things week after week to overcome, at some point you just have nothing left to give. I can't be mad at them. They went thru so much this year, probably more than any team in history when you look at everything combined. Hamlin is OK, that's good enough for me. They need to sort things out, figure out what they are going to do and come up with ways to overcome their shortcomings which look far bigger than they did at the start of the season right now. How in the world could the tank be on "E" for a game of this magnitude? Come on man. This is football. It's about physicality and being out performed. The Bengals owned us today. It has nothing to do with emotions or being flat. It has to do with being whipped at the game of football. The question which has to be answered is why? Why did we get killed? Just a bad matchup? Do we need to alter our roster to better jibe with the Bengals? Would they beat us like this 4 out of 5 times? Could be beat them just as badly on another day? What flaws does this expose about the franchise going forward, generally, if any? I feel like a number of good teams on their game in the playoffs were destined to whip us this year, because we haven't been playing good enough football for about 8 or 9 games now. The team that ended up doing it was the Bengals. With Tua and a healthy squad, it would probably have been Miami last week. It could have been Philly or San Fran in the big dance (both those teams right now would destroy us), it could also have been KC. Next year another team or 2 might joint that list. We need to get better and built around performance in the playoffs. And it should be assumed the weather will be crap, for what that's worth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 26 minutes ago, stevestojan said: Anyone else strangely calm after this? Maybe I’m getting used to it or maybe I just never saw a path to beat the Bengals. But I’m over it already. I do think changes need to be made at the very highest levels, but I’m not going to let this ruin my day. Maybe next year. I echo this. We lost badly...but I'm not upset. When I saw Daquon Jones was inactive coupled with the snow, I knew the Bengals would run the ball successfully and that the Bills wouldn't because of Dorsey. I'm not down on McD because his calm demeanor and leadership got the Bills through a very rough season. I do hope he takes a hard look at his coaching staff and makes the appropriate changes. I hope Beane does the same with the players. The injuries exposed the lack of depth. This team hadn't been championship caliber since the beginning of the season and things were only getting worse. So...this team needs to reassess, refresh and regroup for next year. We're onto the off-season and the draft. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 32 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Against some teams you do and others you don't. That's always been the truth. Not against the ones we see in playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, henry jones said: This was our year to make it happen. All the teams with good, young QB’s in the AFC have blown past us and it will be next to impossible to ever catch back up again. Especially with the philosophies on both sides of the ball. We could be in for a few down years before hopefully making another run when JA matures a little more. If we ever see that day. yup.- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: How in the world could the tank be on "E" for a game of this magnitude? Come on man. This is football. It's about physicality and being out performed. The Bengals owned us today. It has nothing to do with emotions or being flat. It has to do with being whipped at the game of football. The question which has to be answered is why? Why did we get killed? Just a bad matchup? Do we need to alter our roster to better jibe with the Bengals? Would they beat us like this 4 out of 5 times? Could be beat them just as badly on another day? What flaws does this expose about the franchise going forward, generally, if any? I feel like a number of good teams on their game in the playoffs were destined to whip us this year, because we haven't been playing good enough football for about 8 or 9 games now. The team that ended up doing it was the Bengals. With Tua and a healthy squad, it would probably have been Miami last week. It could have been Philly or San Fran in the big dance (both those teams right now would destroy us), it could also have been KC. Next year another team or 2 might joint that list. We need to get better and built around performance in the playoffs. And it should be assumed the weather will be crap, for what that's worth. I just answered why. You must never have had to endure a significantly rough stretch and then had to continuously perform under it if you don't understand how this happens. At some point doing it over and over again with no breaks or downtime it just wears on you mentally and emotionally which then becomes physically. The answer is, it's simple. Football players are human beings not robots Edited January 23, 2023 by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBob806 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 39 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: Manhandled once again Watching the small defense once again get punished in the big game. This offseason you got to get bigger and more physical on both the O line and D line Also how has McDermott not fixed the tackling Its been steadily getting worse Tackling in the NFL generally sucks today. It's not unique to the Bills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Grundy Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, RiotAct said: Nope. This was our year, and we frigging blew it. I'm not picking a fight, I promise. But how was this our year? I get the argument at the start - no1 seed etc - but that vanished pretty much on contact with the season. But it was pretty early into the season that it seemed clear this wouldn't be our SB year - or at least not without a lot of luck. And we got none of that. After Miller's injury I really didn't ever feel like we were going to be SB champions. I felt we 'blew it' last year. This year it just seemed to fall apart for us in a lot of different ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 You get to the playoffs next year against KC or Cincinnati and idk how you expect to win. Just teams that embarrassed you in the playoffs 2 of the last 3 seasons and one took your best shot and 13 seconds wasn’t enough. You can’t just hope to miss out on playing the good teams somehow. They are going to be there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Last year & this year was our window & we blew it. This falls squarely on McD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, RiotAct said: yup.- senor Riot we will have #17 and a bevy of healthy men for the next campaign. This team is nowhere near done in a quest for GLORY. They got their ***** beat. IF you think that is the end of the road I Strongly disagree. Im not gonna cry over it. That's jjust me though. I am Disappointed but my hopes are eternal. m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNTANBILLS FAN Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Here is the real problem our defense coordinator is horrible! He has been horrible for 3 seasons! Look at 3 and forever they always give up the 1 down. Look at 13 seconds with a 3 point lead why play any defense. His d line rotation is horrible! One play we look like we destroy the play next it's a first down! All because the playmaker is sitting. Also why take guys off it and not play them? If Bedford and hyde needed so much time why take them off ir 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I'm normally an optimist but today I saw a very ominous future for the Bills: For the 3rd straight season a terrible performance by the Defense led to our exit from the playoffs. It has become painfully obvious that we are falling behind the elite teams of the AFC and the reason is simple - the Bills organization is run by a defensively minded coach & GM. The Bengals & Chiefs are better organizations because they both embrace an offensive mindset. They plow the majority of their resources into surrounding their elite QB's with the best O line and skill players possible. And as early as next season KC & Cincy will be joined by Jacksonville whose offensive minded coach will move heaven & earth to surround Lawrence with the best possible O-line and play makers. No one will convince me that this isn't the Bills fundamental problem. And I see only one way to fix it without risking a compete meltdown of the team that removing Bean & McD could lead to: Frazier must go and Bean/McD must commit to a major upgrade on the offensive side of the Ball. If they double down on trying to add more talent to the D without making the painful choice of removing Frazier the Bills will be lucky to have a winning season next year. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 58 minutes ago, Logic said: As Brandon Beane is fond of saying, playoff losses show you where you're NOT as a football team. They show you where you're lacking. Well, what did today's loss show us? The loss to KC in 2020 showed us that our OL and DL sucked. Two seasons later, this loss showed us that our OL and DL still suck. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBob806 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, henry jones said: This was our year to make it happen. All the teams with good, young QB’s in the AFC have blown past us and it will be next to impossible to ever catch back up again. Especially with the philosophies on both sides of the ball. We could be in for a few down years before hopefully making another run when JA matures a little more. If we ever see that day. Yes & no. Forgive me if this comparison is weird....the Browns. Maybe even the Raiders. Browns had the "it factor" in 2020. They still have a good roster, they're not far off. They kick Cincy's a$$ but can't beat the NFC South lol. The Raiders are a coach away from 11-6. The Bills have a lot of positives, don't give up. The Bills, hey they can still dominate the AFC East, that alone is a quick path to the playoffs. Miami is schizoid, the Jets need a QB, and the Pats aren't that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 We're going to continue to be playoff losers for the foreseeable future. We always seem to come out flat and get bullied in the big games. Something needs to change. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I'm not shocked by this honestly, it was building all year. They're not that close & I don't see it getting fixed in 1 off season. Gonna be tough watching them be pretend contenders again next season & fooling me into Billieving a second year in a row. I think they need massive changes (like trade some assets on D & I to get the capital to fix the offense & make some coaching changes & really do a deep dive into changing their philosophy). Nothing should be off the table, nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsflyer12 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 56 minutes ago, RiotAct said: we’re never winning a Super Bowl. That’s a given at this point. This was our year, and we blew it. We are Charlie Brown incarnate!!!! Last year was our year. Coaches blew that too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 57 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: We had a hard look in the mirror last year and brought Von Miller. Unfortunately for us, he wasn't here when it mattered. I know I am in a minority here but I wouldn't draw any significant conclusions from this loss. Our season was extremely derailed by the first Cincy game, we haven't recovered from that and it showed today. There were other things also but this one was the most important imo. The Bills season was derailed by the bye. Looked a different team coming out of it than they did going into it. Admittedly, Josh picking up an elbow injury in week eight which never properly healed didn't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 49 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I’m sorry I won’t get to watch Josh for nine months. And I feel bad for him because his organization hung him out to dry this year. But today wasn’t really a surprise. Anyone else notice him grabbing his elbow on every play he was involved in late in the game? I suspect offseason surgery, which will mean what. (rhetorical) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I’m still emotional, but being there at the stadium, snow globe weather, and it never ever felt like the Bills were remotely in this game … exceedingly dissatisfied with the team and their effort. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schoolhouserock Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, BruceVilanch said: We're going to continue to be playoff losers for the foreseeable future. We always seem to come out flat and get bullied in the big games. Something needs to change. Agree. Bills will be competitive for a number of years. Seems like the only way they’ll win the big one is if they happen to get lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Not against the ones we see in playoffs The Bills have a great home field record in the playoffs. Losing this one game doesn't suddenly mean playing at home doesn't matter. What point are you trying to make? They need to build a dome? Teams lose home playoff games in domes, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GymShorts84 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, RiotAct said: we’re never winning a Super Bowl. That’s a given at this point. This was our year, and we blew it. We are Charlie Brown incarnate!!!! Last year was our year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4th&long Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 This team is soft, a bunch of Candy asses! Time for the coaches to go. If they come back next year won’t be worth watching. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 33 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: When we lost Micah Hyde for the season I thought disappointing but no worries we got this. But as the season wore on and the pass defense got exposed and the bad tackling got exposed his value became incredibly apparent. Losing Miller though was the Hammer blow, Funny enough I thought he had been a bit disappointing but once again, his value became apparent soon after, Without Miller, the Bills D lost their leader and probably lost the one guy who had the gravitas to change up the D based on what he saw the opposing offense about to do. Something that Frazier would never do mid series. But the greatest loss of all this year? Dabol. Dorsey ran such a vanilla offense that Josh won DESPITE him. Today was yet another example of a guy who used no disguises or trickery in his plays and didnt make adjustments for our terrible O Line. It seems incredible that we were 14-4 this year and yet this was one of the most irritating, stressful and ultimately disappointing Bills seasons I can remember in 43 years of fandom. I was thinking something similar. For me I think it comes down to expectations. Nothing short of a SB appearance was gonna be satisfying to me this year. As the season wore on and it became more and more apparent that the injuries and warts (I'm looking at you OL) we're going to be hard to overcome and I could feel it slipping away. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak-O Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 We have Josh but that’s all I know for sure. Poyer and Hyde were great last season but injured a lot this one. Tre came back as a pale copy of himself. Von got injured. Gabe regressed. Singletary is dependable but no world beater. Cook, Shakir and Elam look alright. Groot and the other young players didn’t level up as much (or at all) as I’d hoped. Bass is great and the punter is good. O-line is weak. We rarely get sacks. Running backs seem to do as they please against us. I really like Milano. Wouldn’t mind a new OC and a new DC. When was the last time we drafted someone who became an instant success, like Metcalf? Looking forward to the draft now. it’s half past one at night and I have Covid. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 28 minutes ago, muppy said: Shakir is ours Future star. Mark my words. scoffers. lol okie dokie. I called my shot and Im sticking to it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtampacane Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 26 minutes ago, RiotAct said: Nope. This was our year, and we frigging blew it. The media said it was our year. But after the KC game, we lost a few, and played a lot of close games against mediocre competition. I never felt we ever were clearly the best team in the AFC, much less the NFL. I would have loved to see us win today and set up that bowl game environment in the ATL, especially with a wounded Mahomes. But we were badly outclassed and even if we made the 3 plays (Josh missing Diggs for an easy TD, Motor drop at the end of the first half, another Gabe drop) I think the Bengals still win going away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: The Bills have a great home field record in the playoffs. Losing this one game doesn't suddenly mean playing at home doesn't matter. What point are you trying to make? They need to build a dome? Teams lose home playoff games in domes, too. as currently built the outdoor cold weather/snow/wind isnt in our favor This isnt a power football team Its finesse on both sides and weather games usually more dictated by line play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, DuckyBoys said: as currently built the outdoor cold weather/snow/wind isnt in our favor This isnt a power football team Its finesse on both sides and weather games usually more dictated by line play The Bengals aren't a power football team either and had a bunch of backups playing on the line. It was equal playing conditions for both teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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