Bengals @ Bills - Post Game Thread - January 22, 2023 - NFL Divisional Round Playoffs

[78thealltimegreat]

1 minute ago, The 9 Isles said:

I’ve been watched them play for 40 years, why are you here? 

Prove it 

[yall]

Everyone failed. Top to bottom. From Frasier's insistence on zone when the situation clearly dictated more man coverage to Josh killing two drives with deep throws on short yardage.

 

People need to lose jobs.

[Warcodered]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

 

It does show, even at the death, the basic problem Josh has had all year. He's fantastic but all too often he's missing basic plays. Today didn't matter, but he turned over the ball in important positions all year. Sometimes that's been down to the horrific O Line. Sometimes it's been because of miscommunication or bad WR plays. Sometimes it's been down to Josh.

I honestly don't care that he decided to take a shot in that situation, he'd already checked it down plenty of times throughout the game in case nobody paid any attention.

[schoolhouserock]

Really hard to envision the Bills pulling together a better all-around roster than these past two seasons. They will be competitive for a long time and luck might just shine on them some day. The window for being heavy favorites, however, just closed.

[The 9 Isles]

Just now, 78thealltimegreat said:

Prove it 

What the f? 

[Toledo Bill]

I have been a fan since the Bills inception. Always support them but there are two things that are just so hard to accept.. soft play and being outcoached. Regrettably we saw both today.

[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

NOTHING changes without a coaching change. McD had a good run, but he is simply in over his head now. 

 

If you fire McD, you lose the team. Simple as. 

 

 

Diggs and the other vets will leave. They don't want a rebuild. 

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, CoudyBills said:

The Bills were in the playoffs, and there were open routes for Josh today.  My job is done.  

 

Then why isn't Josh taking them? He was earlier in the year. And if his mind is frazzled by something surely it's up to the OC to calm him down and get him back into the zone?

[Warcodered]

Just now, schoolhouserock said:

Really hard to envision the Bills pulling together a better all-around roster than these past two seasons. They will be competitive for a long time and luck might just shine on them some day. The window for being heavy favorites, however, just closed.

We should send that memo to Kansas City they seem to have not gotten it yet.

[White Linen]

1 minute ago, CoudyBills said:

The Bills were in the playoffs, and there were open routes for Josh today.  My job is done.  

 

Josh covered up Dorsey's inadequate play calling and won 14 games.  I'm done too.

[Gunsgoodtime]

Just now, Gunsgoodtime said:

Im not a expert, thats why I honestly ask.  It could be both!  If so you have to tear it all down, get rid of Frazier and start trading players like they did when they came in.  Outside of our 2 lbs, yes I mean Edmunds too, everyone else is replaceable with equal contracts.  Obviously not including rookie contracts 

 

[BillzFreak]

Just now, Nelius said:

The amount of holes to fix is pretty daunting. You can’t blow it up rebuild style with a player like Josh but this is not team that’s a piece away. You need to always prioritize skill players with a QB like Josh, but also need linemen on both sides, safeties, linebacker depth at least. Gross. Maybe you try to keep Motor on the cheap just to have one less gaping hole. 

I feel you have to rebuild the offense first this time. We have to be able to score and take pressure off of the Defense. I feel like all this defense needs is a better coach because the soft way we play stinks on ice. For once it's time to put pieces on offense and do what the Chiefs and Bengals have been doing.

[Solomon Grundy]

10 minutes ago, Iverwig said:

Hats off to Bill Cowher on his statement. The team have been through a lot this year and it’s possible they are just emotionally drained. 

Excuses, excuses

[Worstcaseontario]

If frazier is here next year i will eat my own shoe

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

I know, eastern suburb of Dayton. I'm right here in Cincinnati. Burrow is an emotionless winner. A cold assassin. Josh Allen is a golden retriever chasing a tennis ball.

THIS is the post of the day!

And 100% spot on. 

[Nator99]

My concern is that the Dolphins are up and coming and let’s be Frank they outplayed us in every game this year. I feel they can and will catch us and overtake us in the East if we don’t make some changes. We needed to take the next step and get to a SB. We cannot assume we will simply be right back here next year just be showing up. This is the problem with this organization. They think they can just lace things up and make no changes and just be in the playoffs again. We need to make changes !!!!!

[CoudyBills]

1 minute ago, yall said:

Everyone failed. Top to bottom. From Frasier's insistence on zone when the situation clearly dictated more man coverage to Josh killing two drives with deep throws on short yardage.

 

People need to lose jobs.

Don't blame Josh, I read on here Dorsey is why he throws deep there.  

[hondo in seattle]

Just now, TFBillsfan said:

Lots to process going forward. Congrats to Cinncy has they did what they wanted from the opening possession.

 

Twice now in the playoffs your D has failed you. For all the investment in the DL, they were embarrassed today by three backups. They literally ran it down your throat. I have no clue what Frazier was scheming today. You literally played 10 yards off the ball knowing ball was coming out quick considering the OL and weather conditions.

Lots of solid players on the DL but no impact players. 
 

Offensively, Dorsey looked in over his head. Ignored the weather conditions and struggled to scheme up easy quick passes. Not leveraging Josh in the running game is inexcusable. Not one QB sweep. The interior guard play needs addressed. Look how easy the scheme is for Burrow, Mahomes and even Purdy. It matters! Not even sure what our O identity is at this point.
 

McDermott has done a lot of good but I worry he’s becoming a Marty Schottenheimer wasting opportunities.

 

Offseason, I believe Frazier has to go. I think they move on from Poyer. On offense OL, WR and a #2 TE is needed. They have to shore up the line and give Josh more weapons.

 

Disagree with some of this but not the part about the offense.  

 

In this kind of weather, our offensive game plan should have focused on the short passing and run game.  Josh hasn't been the designed runner as much this year as last.  This game we should have leaned heavily into his dual-threat talents.  More RPO.  More QB sweeps.  More Singletary and short slants to Diggs and Davis.  And then a pass deep down field.  

[White Linen]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

 

Then why isn't Josh taking them? He was earlier in the year. And if his mind is frazzled by something surely it's up to the OC to calm him down and get him back into the zone?

 

Don't bother man.  He's on a soap box he can't get off.

[78thealltimegreat]

1 minute ago, The 9 Isles said:

What the f? 

Like I thought all you do is trash this team

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

NOTHING changes without a coaching change. McD had a good run, but he is simply in over his head now. 

I am tempted to go down this road with you.

 

But also, look at the Sabres. That’s what ownership is capable of. A total gong show for a decade. 

[Repulsif]

at least it wasn't a heartbraking one...

 

I'm sorry guys, but in the end this current Bills iteration is a poor man's '05~'10 Chargers version

[LifeLongBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

Lots to process going forward. Congrats to Cinncy has they did what they wanted from the opening possession.

 

Twice now in the playoffs your D has failed you. For all the investment in the DL, they were embarrassed today by three backups. They literally ran it down your throat. I have no clue what Frazier was scheming today. You literally played 10 yards off the ball knowing ball was coming out quick considering the OL and weather conditions.

Lots of solid players on the DL but no impact players. 
 

Offensively, Dorsey looked in over his head. Ignored the weather conditions and struggled to scheme up easy quick passes. Not leveraging Josh in the running game is inexcusable. Not one QB sweep. The interior guard play needs addressed. Look how easy the scheme is for Burrow, Mahomes and even Purdy. It matters! Not even sure what our O identity is at this point.
 

McDermott has done a lot of good but I worry he’s becoming a Marty Schottenheimer wasting opportunities.

 

Offseason, I believe Frazier has to go. I think they move on from Poyer. On offense OL, WR and a #2 TE is needed. They have to shore up the line and give Josh more weapons.

I thought Knox played well - WR is a huge need - the Davis drop was a killer 

[DapperCam]

#1. This shows how important the bye is. We could have faced the inferior Jaguars and a hobbled Mahomes at home.

#2. Jordan Phillips and D. Jones being unavailable or limited killed the middle of our d-line today.

#3. Defense just had too many injuries this year, reminds me of the Ravens last year. Hyde, Von Miller, Poyer gimpy all year, Tre White not 100%, Hamlin, Benford and Dane Jackson missed some time, Milano and Edmunds missed time (probably why we lost first Jets game), also the two DTs mentioned above. Other contenders were much healthier overall.

#4. Our o-line stunk all year and it stunk in this game too. We had much better o-line play last year at the end of the year and in the playoffs. Brown regressed some, and Saffold must be much worse than Ike was.

#5. The combination of Allen and Dorsey just didn’t seem to click. I know statistically they were similar to last year, but things just looked disjointed the second half of the season.

#6. Gabe Davis dropped another big time important play, even though we shouldn’t be throwing bombs every 3rd and short.

#7. If you were watching closely, you shouldn’t be too surprised about this outcome. Bills had a hard year for a lot of reasons and just didn’t have it. Our best chance was to get some bounced and squeak by, but just didn’t happen.

#8. I’ve been paying too much attention to football, so maybe this is healthy.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Roundybout said:

 

If you fire McD, you lose the team. Simple as. 

 

 

Diggs and the other vets will leave. They don't want a rebuild. 

Then get ready for what comes next. Years and years of this same crap. 

[Nextmanup]

6 minutes ago, Bongo said:

Agreed. They came out of the tunnel like their nose was punched and their lunch money was taken. Not sure how you could come into a game like this flat but they sure played with no spirit from start to finish. Really disappointing way to go into the next few months. Ugh.

Isn't NOT coming out of the tunnel flat before the biggest game of the year supposed to be one of those things that falls to the Head Coach of the team?   

 

[MAJBobby]

So glad they got run out of the stadium if they were losing. Exposes how bad the construction of this team is. Need a real OL, Real WR2  protect Josh and Give Josh weapons. We have the worst Weapons group in the playoffs this year and one of the worst OLs. Stop spending All you premier assets in Defense. They are irrelevant in the Modern NFL when facing a top end Offense.

[78thealltimegreat]

1 minute ago, CoudyBills said:

Don't blame Josh, I read on here Dorsey is why he throws deep there.  

You can’t blame Allen for Gabe Davis having stone hands 

[Floydboy12]

Some good FA signings, some good late round draft picks. But how Beane continually escapes criticism for his early round draft picks other than Allen I have no idea. And any other franchise would have jettisoned their DC after last years KC debacle. Allen needs weapons. I’m not sure the Bills have the GM to identify and acquire them. And I know they don’t have the DC to win big boy football games. 

[CoudyBills]

2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Then why isn't Josh taking them? He was earlier in the year. And if his mind is frazzled by something surely it's up to the OC to calm him down and get him back into the zone?

You would have to ask Josh why he isn't taking them.  

[78thealltimegreat]

This is on Beane as well he really gambled on Von Miller and until he got hurt it worked…when he got hurt his draft picks stunk up the joint 

[Epstein's Mother]

7 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

This entire defense was horrible from week 3 on.

 

This might be considered slightly hyperbolic.

[klos63]

2 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

Josh covered up Dorsey's inadequate play calling and won 14 games.  I'm done too.

Agreed. Did it ever look like we had a game plan specifically for our opponent? It was backyard football, let the big guy do it all and hope you win.

[UKBillFan]

Just now, CoudyBills said:

You would have to ask Josh why he isn't taking them.  

 

Dorsey should be asking that question if that's what he's calling. And maybe questions should be asked why Josh is ignoring him if he's not following play calls - actually, they should have been asked well before now.

[Nelius]

James Cook had 5 carries today.

 

Why does this team act like every prospect needs a four year growth plan? None of them make an impact. We have a bunch of draft picks from the last three years that do nothing. Blow it up for the simple fact that this team does not develop players well.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

You can’t blame Allen for Gabe Davis having stone hands 

Can I blame him for missing a WIDE OPEN Diggs on the first series? 

[BuffaninSarasota]

8 minutes ago, buffalobillswin said:

Good good let it out 

The Bills did not lose today’s game because of turnovers. Do you want to rethink your original post?

[Real McClappy]

2 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

#1. This shows how important the bye is. We could have faced the inferior Jaguars and a hobbled Mahomes at home.

#2. Jordan Phillips and D. Jones being unavailable or limited killed the middle of our d-line today.

#3. Defense just had too many injuries this year, reminds me of the Ravens last year. Hyde, Von Miller, Poyer gimpy all year, Tre White not 100%, Hamlin, Benford and Dane Jackson missed some time, Milano and Edmunds missed time (probably why we lost first Jets game), also the two DTs mentioned above. Other contenders were much healthier overall.

#4. Our o-line stunk all year and it stunk in this game too. We had much better o-line play last year at the end of the year and in the playoffs. Brown regressed some, and Saffold must be much worse than Ike was.

#5. The combination of Allen and Dorsey just didn’t seem to click. I know statistically they were similar to last year, but things just looked disjointed the second half of the season.

#6. Gabe Davis dropped another big time important play, even though we shouldn’t be throwing bombs every 3rd and short.

#7. If you were watching closely, you shouldn’t be too surprised about this outcome. Bills had a hard year for a lot of reasons and just didn’t have it. Our best chance was to get some bounced and squeak by, but just didn’t happen.

#8. I’ve been paying too much attention to football, so maybe this is healthy.

Great post and I basically agree with everything here. 

[WideNine]

6 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

They need DTs that can collapse the pocket and hold their own in the run game.

 

I know Vince wilforks, John Hendersons, and Chris jones don’t grow on trees, but they need something like that. 

 

This.

 

Jones was our closest thing to that, and without him today the rest just got pushed around.

 

Been saying for years that this non-stop investment in smallish "penetrating" DL players is a mistake - especially in your DTs.

 

 

 

[Iverwig]

1 minute ago, klos63 said:

other than Hamlin are we thinking two snowstorms hurt this team? If so, that's a weak organization.

Shooting in Buffalo before the season, yes the two snowstorms and not making it home for Christmas. Regardless of all that the biggest thing was Hamlin. So it’s not other than Hamlin as that was pretty big seeing your teammate and friend have to have CPR performed on him. That one event is a lot to handle. I get fan is short for fanatic but some of you need to get a grip on what the team actually went through emotionally.