Official: (Bengals) Game will not be resumed this week UPDATE: OFFICIALLY CANCELLED

[UKBillFan]

5 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

The coin flip is exactly what they’re upset about.

 

They should just stick Ravens-Bengals on a neutral field if they make the play offs, providing the Bengals lose on Sunday.

 

Or, hey, beat the Ravens on Sunday and it won't even come into consideration.

Edited January 6, 2023 by UKBillFan

[BillsFanSD]

7 minutes ago, Process said:

Can someone explain to me what exactly they are b**ching about? They want to go by win percentage but isn't that exactly what the NFL is doing? With the only difference being if the Ravens win this Sunday there's a coin flip for home field.

Well, yeah.  We've spent the last several days talking about the importance of HFA.  Why we should we be surprised that other teams also think that HFA is important?

[Albany,n.y.]

Cincy is also upset that if the Chiefs lose they can't get the #1 seed & the bye while the Bills are in position to get the bye if the Chiefs lose.  

[Dr Krentist]

27 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

This is so true - just look at the Bills season!  Bills & Titans were tied at 7 - 7 late in the 1st quarter and the Bills go on and win 41 - 7. The Bills were up on the Jets late in the 2nd quarter 14 - 3 and go on to lose the game.  The Bills were down 10 - 3 to Cleveland in the 2nd quarter then go on a 25 - 0 run on the way to victory. The Bills were up 27 - 10 on the Vikings late in the 3rd quarter only to lose the game.  And the Bears led the Bills 10 - 6 at halftime before Buffalo woke up and beat them 29 - 3 in the 2nd half.

 

You have to be a football illiterate to think that a late first quarter score has anything to do with the final score.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can also look at the Colts/Vikings game

[BillsSbSoon]

10 minutes ago, Process said:

Can someone explain to me what exactly they are b**ching about? They want to go by win percentage but isn't that exactly what the NFL is doing? With the only difference being if the Ravens win this Sunday there's a coin flip for home field.

 

Just beat the ravens who are playing a backup QB for **** sake.

 

 

I think everybody has newfound respect for Taylor and cincy, but he’s clearly not happy here. Sometimes you might have to go off the rulebook in an unprecedented situation like this, but they’re not buying it. This is why maybe we should’ve taken a forfeit 

Edited January 6, 2023 by BillsSbSoon

[Process]

3 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

Well, yeah.  We've spent the last several days talking about the importance of HFA.  Why we should we be surprised that other teams also think that HFA is important?

They are two score favorites vs the ravens.....just win.....not hard....and then no coin flip

[What a Tuel]

Just now, BillsSbSoon said:

I think everybody has newfound respect for Taylor and cincy, but he’s clearly not happy here. Sometimes you might have to go off the rule on in an unprecedented situation like this, and they’re not buying it. This is why maybe we should’ve taken a forfeit 

 

The NFL didn't have to go outside of the rules though. They have 2 outs. 1) Win percentage dictates seeding 2) add a 19th week and play the damn bengals/bills game

 

They decided they had a 3rd option to add convoluted rules thats just going to piss off various fan bases. 

 

I wonder if there is a chance the Owners tell them to go back to the drawing board today.

1 minute ago, Process said:

They are two score favorites vs the ravens.....just win.....not hard....and then no coin flip

 

You don't get upset about a rule change only after it disadvantages you.

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Cincy is also upset that if the Chiefs lose they can't get the #1 seed & the bye while the Bills are in position to get the bye if the Chiefs lose.  

 

Like the Bills, there are 15 other games to secure your spot as the top pick. The Bills have gained and lost the first seed in the division and the conference at points this season. It happens. 

I get why the Bengals are upset about the Ravens game. But ultimately emergencies happen and solutions are always clean. 

I would be shocked if there is a single person at OBD who cares about the current solution. 

[BillsFanSD]

Just now, Process said:

They are two score favorites vs the ravens.....just win.....not hard....and then no coin flip

Sure.  And the Bills were two-score favorites over the Jets back in November.  Things happen.  

 

If Chiefs fans were showing up telling us that this is all our fault because we'd have the #1 seed locked up if we had just taken care of business against the Jets, we'd tell them to get bent.  So let's not do that to the Bengals.

[Nineforty]

they should have dealt with the consequences of making sure the bengals v bills was played after week 18, he shouts into the wind. 

[Mango]

Just now, BillsFanSD said:

Sure.  And the Bills were two-score favorites over the Jets back in November.  Things happen.  

 

If Chiefs fans were showing up telling us that this is all our fault because we'd have the #1 seed locked up if we had just taken care of business against the Jets, we'd tell them to get bent.  So let's not do that to the Bengals.

 

 

So this is true. Tomlin said the same thing in his presser. His team has had 16 opportunities to win football games. It is part of why I am OK with possibly losing the one seed.  As long as the staff and players at OBD were OK with any decision I am OK with it.

 

I firmly believe that the team had no interest in replaying that game and that is a huge reason why the game isn't being replayed. 

[UKBillFan]

6 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Cincy is also upset that if the Chiefs lose they can't get the #1 seed & the bye while the Bills are in position to get the bye if the Chiefs lose.  

 

The Bills could be upset that the number one seed has been taken out of their hands.

The Chiefs could be upset that they're going to lose HFA if they face the Bengals or Bills, even though circumstances may have dictated that they would have claimed number one outright.

 

All teams could feel like they've lost out by this. In truth if the Chiefs hadn't lose at the Colts, or the Bills hadn't lost to the Jets/Vikings, or the Bengals hadn't lost to the Steelers/Browns/Cowboys with a second string QB, then they'd be in a stronger position anyway.

 

 

[Pokebball]

Should the championship game go to a neutral site, where do you want it? I'm hoping for Denver or Las Vegas.

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

The Bills could be upset that the number one seed has been taken out of their hands.

The Chiefs could be upset that they're going to lose HFA if they face the Bengals or Bills, even though circumstances may have dictated that they would have claimed number one outright.

 

All teams could feel like they've lost out by this. In truth if the Chiefs hadn't lose at the Colts, or the Bills hadn't lost to the Jets/Vikings, or the Bengals hadn't lost to the Steelers/Browns/Cowboys with a second string QB, then they'd be in a stronger position anyway.

 

 

How about the Bengals not getting pounded by the Browns on Halloween night or losing 19-17 in Baltimore. Every teams has a few that they would like back this year.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said:

How about the Bengals not getting pounded by the Browns on Halloween night or losing 19-17 in Baltimore. Every teams has a few that they would like back this year.

 

Yes, I mentioned those loses for the Bengals.

[Low Positive]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

 

Yes, I mentioned those loses for the Bengals.

Sorry, I missed the Browns loss in your list.

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, balln said:

but not exactly against cincy. i agree its  prob best stat we have. but its just suggestive. not conclusive

 

Nobody has said anything about the game is conclusive. In fact that's exactly the point.

[The Jokeman]

26 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

Should the championship game go to a neutral site, where do you want it? I'm hoping for Denver or Las Vegas.

New Jersey as gives a chance to have bad weather and maybe more Bills fans can show up or the Giants/Daboll fans would be on our side. Toss in causes KC/Cincy fly longer. 

Edited January 6, 2023 by The Jokeman

[Big Turk]

 

[Taro Nimbus]

I like how everyone is just automatically assuming the chiefs are winning this week.  Bottom line, if they lose and we win, we get the 1 seed.  Yeah the championship game could still be at a neutral field, but the bills would get the Bye 

[Success]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

 

I don't really get it. That game had barely started.  

 

I'm repeating myself on this thread, but we drove down the field as easily as they did.  The sentiments I'm seeing online now are "clearly, the  Bengals were going to win that game - they were locked in."  I guess, for people who just started watching the NFL this past week.

 

And there is a LOT of chatter online about how the Bills should have to forfeit the game, because it was our players that couldn't continue. Pretty sure I've heard multiple comments that both teams didn't want to play after that. And the league was universally reviled for the idea that the game should continue at that point.

 

It's gonna get to me - because it's only going to get worse.  People are turning on the Bills for some reason. It's getting ugly out there.

 

[ImpactCorey]

4 minutes ago, Taro Nimbus said:

I like how everyone is just automatically assuming the chiefs are winning this week.  Bottom line, if they lose and we win, we get the 1 seed.  Yeah the championship game could still be at a neutral field, but the bills would get the Bye 

I'm pretty sure that if the Bills win and the Chiefs lose, the AFC championship game is in Buffalo no matter what because they have the head-to-head against the Chiefs (and a better win-loss record) and would hold a better record than the Bengals.

Edited January 6, 2023 by ImpactCorey

[Captain Caveman]

42 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

Should the championship game go to a neutral site, where do you want it? I'm hoping for Denver or Las Vegas.

Those are awesome places to travel to but I doubt they’re going to put it in a division rivals stadium. 

[Warcodered]

9 minutes ago, Taro Nimbus said:

I like how everyone is just automatically assuming the chiefs are winning this week.  Bottom line, if they lose and we win, we get the 1 seed.  Yeah the championship game could still be at a neutral field, but the bills would get the Bye 

It wouldn't be on a neutral field in that scenario because we'd have had the better seed than them in that scenario no matter what happened in the Bengals game. That's how the Bills have homefield throughout the playoffs though if the Bengals win this week it'd be fair if we played them on a neutral field.

 

1 hour ago, Process said:

Can someone explain to me what exactly they are b**ching about? They want to go by win percentage but isn't that exactly what the NFL is doing? With the only difference being if the Ravens win this Sunday there's a coin flip for home field.

 

Just beat the ravens who are playing a backup QB for **** sake.

 

 

It is kind of hypocritical to be completely fine with the advantage the canceling of the game gives you but find it completely unfair when there is a decision that tries to balance it out some.

[Captain Caveman]

15 minutes ago, Taro Nimbus said:

I like how everyone is just automatically assuming the chiefs are winning this week.  Bottom line, if they lose and we win, we get the 1 seed.  Yeah the championship game could still be at a neutral field, but the bills would get the Bye 

In that case my understanding is it would not be at a neutral field. 

[UKBillFan]

12 minutes ago, ImpactCorey said:

I'm pretty sure that if the Bills win and the Chiefs lose, the AFC championship game is in Buffalo no matter what because they have the head-to-head against the Chiefs (and a better win-loss record) and would hold a better record than the Bengals.

 

I think it will be on a neutral field, as the Chiefs and Bills will have played a different number of games. Same with Chiefs and Bengals. But Bills and Bengals will be played at either Orchard Park or the Jungle, depending on how Sunday plays out.

[Process]

5 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said:

In that case my understanding is it would not be at a neutral field. 

It would not. It would be in Buffalo. Raiders win pretty much negates all this bs. Everything back to normal.

4 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I think it will be on a neutral field, as the Chiefs and Bills will have played a different number of games. Same with Chiefs and Bengals. But Bills and Bengals will be played at either Orchard Park or the Jungle, depending on how Sunday plays out.

Been stated many times and very clear at this point. If bills are one seed everything back to normal. No neutral field. If KC loses and we win it would have been impossible for them to be the one seed regardless of the outcome of the bills Bengals game. 

Edited January 6, 2023 by Process

[Big Turk]

18 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I don't really get it. That game had barely started.  

 

I'm repeating myself on this thread, but we drove down the field as easily as they did.  The sentiments I'm seeing online now are "clearly, the  Bengals were going to win that game - they were locked in."  I guess, for people who just started watching the NFL this past week.

 

And there is a LOT of chatter online about how the Bills should have to forfeit the game, because it was our players that couldn't continue. Pretty sure I've heard multiple comments that both teams didn't want to play after that. And the league was universally reviled for the idea that the game should continue at that point.

 

It's gonna get to me - because it's only going to get worse.  People are turning on the Bills for some reason. It's getting ugly out there.

 

 

It's OK...just keep winning, that's the best remedy.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Process said:

It would not. It would be in Buffalo. Raiders win pretty much negates all this bs. Everything back to normal.

Been stated many times and very clear at this point. If bills are one seed everything back to normal. No neutral field.

 

Thanks; that changed from the previous proposal. Not sure how I feel about that though I suppose the Bills would have been seeded higher than the Chiefs even if they had lost to the Bengals, if they then beaten the Pats and the Chiefs lost to the Raiders.

 

Again, it's the Bengals losing out the most.

[ImpactCorey]

9 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I think it will be on a neutral field, as the Chiefs and Bills will have played a different number of games. Same with Chiefs and Bengals. But Bills and Bengals will be played at either Orchard Park or the Jungle, depending on how Sunday plays out.

While true they would have uneven games, it essentially doesn't matter.  Had the game been played and the Bills lost to Cincinnati, given the scenario Bills beat Patriots and Chiefs lose to Vegas, the Bills would still outrank them.

Edited January 6, 2023 by ImpactCorey

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Assuming that the proposal goes through, which I think it will, I think it's a compromise that no one is perfectly happy with but the main parties affected get something:

 

The Bills get forebearance for losing a dear teammate. They still rank over the Bengals and have home games or neutral sites in their path (barring week 18 surprises)

 

The Bengals get to lock up their division. The only way their home field is in doubt is if they lose twice in the year to the Ravens and even then they get a coin flip.

 

The Ravens get screwed out of a chance to take the North but after losing to the Steelers in SNF I have a hard time being upset for them. 

 

The Chiefs get unfairly rewarded (unless they choke and we don't rendering it moot) but 90% of why I wanted the #1 seed was to not play them in Arrowhead. 

 

I can live with this 

 

 

 

[Albany,n.y.]

24 minutes ago, ImpactCorey said:

I'm pretty sure that if the Bills win and the Chiefs lose, the AFC championship game is in Buffalo no matter what because they have the head-to-head against the Chiefs (and a better win-loss record) and would hold a better record than the Bengals.

If the Bills have one fewer loss than KC, we get the tie breaker & no need for a neutral field, but if the Bills have one fewer loss than Cincy & we play them, then it's on a neutral field since Cincy never got the chance to win & beat us for the #1 seed in the cancelled game.  

[ImpactCorey]

2 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

If the Bills have one fewer loss than KC, we get the tie breaker & no need for a neutral field, but if the Bills have one fewer loss than Cincy & we play them, then it's on a neutral field since Cincy never got the chance to win & beat us for the #1 seed in the cancelled game.  

This is also not accurate.  If the Bills have a better record than Cincy (Bills win or both Bills and Cincy lose this weekend) then Bills host against Cincy as well.

 

There are only THREE scenarios where there is a neutral site:

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Scenario 1: If Buffalo and Kansas City both win or both tie in Week 18, then a Buffalo vs. Kansas City championship game would be at a neutral site.

Scenario 2: If the Bills and Chiefs both lose in Week 18 and Baltimore wins or ties with the Bengals, then a Buffalo vs. Kansas City championship game would be at a neutral site.

Scenario 3: If Buffalo and Kansas City both lose and Cincinnati beats Baltimore, then a Bills or Bengals vs. Chiefs championship game would be at a neutral site.

 

 

[IronyAbounds]

16 hours ago, bmur66 said:

That would require divine intervention.

Well, given Damar's recovery thus far, I wouldn't discount it.

[The Red King]

KC loses, CIN and BUF win and this whole mess goes away for us, BUF is 1st Seed, KC 2nd, CIN 3rd. The single outlier would be KC vs. CIN would be at a neutral site.

Edited January 6, 2023 by The Red King

[Greg S]

No LJ for the Ravens again.

 

(1) Adam Schefter on Twitter: "Ravens’ HC John Harbaugh officially ruled out QB Lamar Jackson for Sunday’s game vs. the Bengals." / Twitter

[Ta111]

42 minutes ago, Taro Nimbus said:

I like how everyone is just automatically assuming the chiefs are winning this week.  Bottom line, if they lose and we win, we get the 1 seed.  Yeah the championship game could still be at a neutral field, but the bills would get the Bye 

No, if Bills win and KC loses Bills get the bye and home field as 1 seed.

[Captain Caveman]

18 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

If the Bills have one fewer loss than KC, we get the tie breaker & no need for a neutral field, but if the Bills have one fewer loss than Cincy & we play them, then it's on a neutral field since Cincy never got the chance to win & beat us for the #1 seed in the cancelled game.  

 

But that's not the proposal that was approved

 

The reasoning is that the Bills and Cinci played the same number of games, and Buffalo won more of them.

 

Anyway the Bills and Cinci most likely will only be playing in the Divisional game, not the championship game.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, Pokebball said:

Should the championship game go to a neutral site, where do you want it? I'm hoping for Denver or Las Vegas.

Miami 😅

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 hours ago, What a Tuel said:

 

We are currently pissed KC is getting the bye when we have the edge in the 1 seed. At least I know I am. 

 

KC is pissed that there was a decent chance the Bills could lose to the Bengals and give them control of 1 seed again.

 

Both teams have something to be pissed about, but you guys are saying the Chiefs fans shouldn't be pissed for some reason?

 

Yes they'd be pissed they lost 1 seed because of a coin but at least it wouldn't be some indecisive arbitrary changing of the seeding rules.

I honestly don’t think the chiefs have anything to be pissed about…unless they have a crystal ball and could’ve guaranteed the bills were going to lose the bengals game.  That’s where the chiefs fans are coming from with being pissed and it’s ridiculous imo.  Both teams were easily moving the ball and the bengals had an extra possession.  Bills definitely could’ve double dipped before/after halftime and picked up 14 points so even a 14-3 lead would not have been any type of panic situation. 
 

if there was no freak injury, the game was going to continue, and you offered Andy Reid this same deal early in the first quarter he would take it every single time. They traded a very sizable chance at no bye/no home field advantage for the 1 seed nearly guaranteed and all they gave up was a couple specific potential iterations of the AFC championship being played at a neutral site.  If the bills don’t make it,  the chiefs got the one seed/bye/home field advantage for free. 
 

and if they truly believe cincy is that much better of a team than us that our loss the other night was guaranteed, they have nothing to worry about at all most likely.  We’re all probably going to win and then we would get cincy in the divisional round and lose and it will be business as usual in arrowhead if cincy is the better team 

Edited January 6, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan