Damar Hamlin - Now (1/11/2023) discharged from Buf Gen & “recovering at home”

[TampaBillsJunkie]

In over 50 years of Bills fandom, this is the most disturbing incident on the field in Bills history.  I'm praying this kid is ok.  I was in the stadium when Everett went down and it was scary, but we knew he'd live and face a long recovery. This is horrifying and I can't imagine the pain his family and the players are going through.  I don't think I've ever witnessed a Bills season with this much turmoil and this many obstacles.  If somehow this team perseveres and wins a Super Bowl, it will be truly astounding, given all that they have been through.  But 50+ years of waiting for this moment would mean nothing if Damar doesn't pull through. 

[KellysHandWarmer]

Does anyone know how long his heart was stopped before the emergency crews restarted it on the field? That time interval could be crucial in whether he recovers brain function. In one study, people with cardiac arrest who survived with good brain function averaged about 13 minutes from the time their hearts stopped until the time they started up again. Those whose hearts stopped for longer periods had less positive outcomes, though even some in this group did do OK. https://www.webmd.com/heart/news/20131116/giving-cpr-for-more-than-30-minutes-may-be-worth-it

 

[CaliBills]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

I am sorry for your loss, and clearly you went into a situation that is similar, where once the patient is in medical care, the family has no choice but to wait and pray for the best outcome while the hours tick by.

 

Medically, and I think this is important to note, this is NOT the same situation as your brother experienced, in a number of critical aspects.  I mean no disrespect, but this is a fraught time with everyone combing the interwebs for scraps of information, so I think it's important to point this out.

 

ok....

 

It is similar in that the same tests are being done. Intubated and induced coma with cooling of the body after breathing stopped, CPR started, and the help of breathing.  After 24 hours they will try and take him to see if his body/brain are able to be stable on its own.

 

But sure, keep trying to out smart someone on the interwebs.... 

[Punching Bag]

CNN has some live updates from other teams as reaction to injury.

 

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/damar-hamlin-collapse-bills-bengals-game-intl-hnk/index.html

 

• Multiple NFL teams cancel Tuesday media availability plans after Hamlin collapse

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One of those teams that moved forward was the Pittsburgh Steelers. Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin, currently speaking with reporters, said he has “got a lot of respect and love" for Hamlin. He’s known the Bills safety since Hamlin was around 12 years old, Tomlin said.

• NFL Players Association says its "focus remains on Damar"
• Hamlin's 2020 GoFundMe toy drive crosses $4 million

 

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

 

ok....

 

It is similar in that the same tests are being done. Intubated and induced coma with cooling of the body after breathing stopped, CPR started, and the help of breathing.  After 24 hours they will try and take him to see if his body/brain are able to be stable on its own.

 

But sure, keep trying to out smart someone on the interwebs.... 

 

I'm sorry you took it that way.  I'm not trying to out-smart you, or anyone.

 

My point is that medically, there are a number of key differences between Hamlin's situation, and your brother's situation.

 

There are reports out there in Twitter, some of which have been copied here, about brain scans on Hamlin.  We don't know that Damar suffered a spinal cord injury or a brain injury.  We know nothing about the cause of Hamlin's cardiac arrest at this point, and medically, that matters a lot.  We know that he suffered a cardiac arrest, and that apparently current SOP is to chill the patient, sedate and ventilate them, and wait.

 

And again, I'm sorry for your loss. 

 

 

Edited January 3, 2023 by Beck Water

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, TampaBillsJunkie said:

In over 50 years of Bills fandom, this is the most disturbing incident on the field in Bills history.  I'm praying this kid is ok.  I was in the stadium when Everett went down and it was scary, but we knew he'd live and face a long recovery. This is horrifying and I can't imagine the pain his family and the players are going through.  I don't think I've ever witnessed a Bills season with this much turmoil and this many obstacles.  If somehow this team perseveres and wins a Super Bowl, it will be truly astounding, given all that they have been through.  But 50+ years of waiting for this moment would mean nothing if Damar doesn't pull through. 

 

The only thing I can compare this to watching live was the Clint Malarchuk incident with the Sabres...same type of desperation where every second counted with the medical professionals on the scene...same feeling in the pit of your stomach that made you want to vomit...same helplessness as a human being watching that...

[HalftimeAdjustment]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

The only thing I can compare this to watching live was the Clint Malarchuk incident with the Sabres...same type of desperation where every second counted with the medical professionals on the scene...same feeling in the pit of your stomach that made you want to vomit...same helplessness as a human being watching that...

 

Yes, that was a comparable situation that came to mind. I am glad I did not see that one live.

[Beck Water]

14 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

 

I would like this 1000x if I could.  Well someone likely knows, but they're busy treating Hamlin and their other patients.

[Awwufelloff]

A comparable example in the NHL. Took a slapshot to chest. He got up and passed right out like Damar did. Those of you that don't follow hockey, Pronger was the biggest and baddest dude around. He was 6'6'' 225 lbs.

 

 

Edited January 3, 2023 by Awwufelloff

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said:

 

Yes, that was a comparable situation that came to mind. I am glad I did not see that one live.

 

I was 12 or 13 at the time...I almost passed out and can remember RJ screaming to get the cameras off of him and not show the replay and that anyone who wanted to see it again was sick.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

Yeah, my wife is a cardiac nurse so I at least I have someone to ask about technical terminology. 

 

Worries me that it sounds like he is still on a defibrillator, but I don't know that he is, sounds like that's the case. But no solid information out yet, for obvious reasons. 

 

I don't think you meant a defibrillator. That would mean they have to constantly shock him to restart his heart. Ventilator maybe?

[BRH]

12 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

The only thing I can compare this to watching live was the Clint Malarchuk incident with the Sabres...same type of desperation where every second counted with the medical professionals on the scene...same feeling in the pit of your stomach that made you want to vomit...same helplessness as a human being watching that...

I did not see that one live, but I did see when Richard Zednik caught a skate to the neck in Buffalo in 2008 or so.  It was a while before I could watch hockey again. 

[Bad Things]

3 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

 

Worries me that it sounds like he is still on a defibrillator, but I don't know that he is, sounds like that's the case. But no solid information out yet, for obvious reasons. 

Yeah, I don't think that's right. 

[H2o]

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/video/family-spokesperson-update-damar-hamlins-condition-hes-fighting-96111041

 

Rooney says he was awake and then sedated. 

Edited January 3, 2023 by H2o

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Putin]

Prayers 🙏🏻 for Damar Hamlin !!! 

[Big Turk]

 

[The Red King]

I'm proud of the reaction all around.  It might be obvious but remember yesterday was a critical game.  It had playoff implications for not just seeding, but for the division as Cincy has yet to clinch.  It was two powerhouses looking to slug it out.  It had everything.  The fallout of postponing it and most any solution could hurt both teams, teams that fought hard to get here.  Fans and players were deeply vested in this game.

 

...and none of that mattered.

 

Everyone, fans, players recognized the life of a single player meant more then all of that.  That is all that was important.  The game, it was just a game and would be dealt with later.  Fans didn't care if this cost the Bills the top seed.  He was (and is) all that mattered.  And there was an outpouring of support, even from rivals.

 

It's heartwarming to see.

 

[Big Turk]

Bills update: 

 

 

[HappyDays]

 

[dorquemada]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

what on earth are they going to talk about on ESPN

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

Not surprising...

[LDD]

15 minutes ago, H2o said:

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/video/family-spokesperson-update-damar-hamlins-condition-hes-fighting-96111041

 

Rooney says he was awake and then sedated. 

 

Does this make sense?  Can anyone with knowledge of these procedures weigh in on this?  

[Nuncha]

30 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

A comparable example in the NHL. Took a slapshot to chest. He got up and passed right out like Damar did. Those of you that don't follow hockey, Pronger was the biggest and baddest dude around. He was 6'6'' 225 lbs.

 

 

Pray Hamlin can recover like Pronger did.  It appears to be a very similar situation.

[stevestojan]

The lack of updates are frustrating but the only people who really have any right to know are his doctors and family. But it’s still tough. 
 

Huge heartfelt props to the city of Cincinnati, the team and coach, the medical staff who raced to try to save him, and the fans who had to be disappointed about a stupid game but all seemed to realize that’s what it is - a game. I think we’ve formally solidified an already present kinship between Buffalo and Cincinnati. 
 

I just keep thinking that as much as we watch these guys absolutely dominate athletically week after week, he is only 24 ***** years old. 
 

This was just a rambling post. That’s all I got right now.  

[ColoradoBills]

We don't know the details of the medical personnel and trainers who assisted Damar last night.

These men and women are highly trained and from the reports they were quick to act.

Unlike other medical professionals who deal with these emergencies daily, this had to be traumatic for them being thrust into last night's situation.

I also imagine the Bengals Trainers and Medical Staff were involved.

 

I just wanted to acknowledge and thank them in total as I looked up their names on the Bills website.

 

Athletic Trainers:

Nate Breske: Head Athletic Trainer

Denny Kellington: Assistant Athletic Trainer

Joe Micca: Rehabilitation Coordinator - Physical Therapist

Tabani Richards: Assistant Athletic Trainer

 

Also, we don't know which team physicians were present for the road game.

 

Medical Staff

Dr. Leslie Bisson: Medical Director

Dr. Andrew Cappuccino: Team Orthopedist - Spine

Dr. Marc Fineberg: Team Orthopedist

Dr. Mark Kim: Team Internist

Dr. Tom White: Team Internist

 

[dave mcbride]

15 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah it's an injury most associated with baseball because players don't pad up.   You can buy shirts with a special circular series of pads in the center of the chest.   I made my youngest wear one but never told him why.   Didn't figure anything good could come out of making him scared of the ball.    Still no guarantee of safety.   Instant death on the field from this among children in youth baseball is not as uncommon as you'd think.   

 

 

My son was at a tournament in eastern Long Island when he was about 15-16 and one of the coaches for one of the many teams there died during pre-game batting practice because of a line drive to the chest.  Cardiac arrest.

 

Whoops - edit: it was a hit to the head: https://nypost.com/2014/09/21/dad-dies-after-getting-hit-with-baseball-before-sons-game/

Edited January 3, 2023 by dave mcbride

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

16 minutes ago, Nuncha said:

Pray Hamlin can recover like Pronger did.  It appears to be a very similar situation.

It was very similar but I don’t think Bills players received a positive response from Hamlin as the Blues players received from Pronger. Hamlin wasn’t breathing on his own.

 

Right now we just wait until they wake him from the induced coma. I’ve read they wait 24hrs from when the coma was induced as procedure. So we won’t have any news until early tomorrow morning. 

[Big Turk]

 

[oldmanfan]

29 minutes ago, LDD said:

 

Does this make sense?  Can anyone with knowledge of these procedures weigh in on this?  

They sedate you to put a breathing tube in so you don’t fight the procedure.  The sedation also lessens the workload on the brain.  The critical thing will be if he regains spontaneous respiration’s when they remove the tube.

[BigAl2526]

16 hours ago, Bills1717 said:

How are we still playing this game?  Is he alive?   Holy crap; this is awful 

I don't see how the game will ever be played.  It's been ruled out this week, and I can't see the league moving the playoffs back a week just squeeze it in.  There is no way they could squeeze the game in between week 18 and wild card weekend without moving the playoffs back, because at least one of the two teams is going to have to play in wild card weekend.  Maybe Sean McDermott can have a wrestling match with Zac Taylor to determine the winner.  (sarcasm alert)

Edited January 3, 2023 by BigAl2526

[YoloinOhio]

 

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

They sedate you to put a breathing tube in so you don’t fight the procedure.  The sedation also lessens the workload on the brain.  The critical thing will be if he regains spontaneous respiration’s when they remove the tube.

NFL Network just had an interview with an emergency care dr from LA about this.  She said that the first priority is the brain - getting blood flow back and increasing the chances for normal function.  So restarting the heart ASAP after the arrest, then sedating & cooling the body to reduce the metabolism and activity of the brain to maximize potential for a desirable outcome. 

[AlfaBill]

1 hour ago, CaliBills said:

 

Last August, My family went through this exact situation with my younger brother who stopped breathing in the early AM due to swelling in his spinal cord caused by a recent emergency neck surgery that they needed to put disks in.  He also had sleep apnea.  So the combination caused him to stop breathing and the Ambulance was called. Unfortunately, CPR was not started until minutes after the 911 called..  and he was then intubated and induced into a coma so they can allow the body/brain to heal, etc.. 24 hours had to go by before the next test.

 

Tonight, when they take Damar out of the induced coma, they are hoping his body can remain stable from a functioning standpoint, heart beating, lungs, etc.  

My brother, had seizures immediately upon waking up, so they had to put him back into a coma and run a brain scan.  That is when we found out he was considered to have no brain activity and as a family decided to let him go.  

 

Last night, seeing the players/coaches/this feed, made memories come flooding back.  It was a difficult night for us all but I can only hope his family stays positive and no matter what happens, to remember what Damar would have wanted in all of this.

 

I hope he comes out unscathed and he can be with his family for the foreseeable future.

Sorry for your loss 

[Big Turk]

Here is something else nobody really thinks of...

 

How often is that AED equipment actually checked?  God forbid what would have happened if the equipment wasn't charged or it was faulty due to not being checked for months or years?  Are those things regularly inspected?  IMHO, if it isn't being done already, that should be a required thing to have functioning prior to a game being allowed to start now.

[Beck Water]

25 minutes ago, LDD said:

 

Does this make sense?  Can anyone with knowledge of these procedures weigh in on this?  

 

I can try very briefly.  We have far more knowledgeable people here who are likely busy treating patients but I have full confidence will nonetheless put me right if I'm wrong.

 

-For certain emergency conditions, including neurological trauma AND cardiac arrest (heart stoppage), one protocol calls for chilling the patient's body for 24 hrs

-The patient is then re-warmed over 12-20 hrs

-To accomplish this, the patient is sedated and put on a ventilator, which breathes for them. 

-While they're sedated and ventilated, we get none, zero, no info about their ability to breathe on their own, their neurological function and so forth, because, we're not talking give them a little Valium - this is serious, OR-grade sedation

 

So if this is the protocol being followed, doing the math, 24 + 12 or 20, we would expect no "good news" updates about Hamlin for at LEAST 36-44 hrs, until Weds morning or afternoon.  If you are stressed out and unable to eat or sleep, Please, for your health, take a walk, go look at your favorite view, pat some grass, eat a ***** snack, and take a nap.

 

By the way, the protocols I've found on this procedure (new since my decades-old time in the ER) all state that no alteration of care or decision based on the patient's neurological status should be made for 72 hrs after the cooling and re-warming protocols are completed - which is why that Twitter dudes "update" is to be disregarded and treated with the respect it deserves 💩

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said:

NFL Network just had an interview with an emergency care dr from LA about this.  She said that the first priority is the brain - getting blood flow back and increasing the chances for normal function.  So restarting the heart ASAP after the arrest, then sedating & cooling the body to reduce the metabolism and activity of the brain to maximize potential for a desirable outcome. 

Yeah. I just read this. So now we just wait.
 

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People do not always respond right away to the procedure. It may take a couple of days. Healthcare providers often wait at least 3 days after the procedure to see how the cardiac arrest affected the brain. The procedure does not guarantee that you will regain brain function.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/therapeutic-hypothermia-after-cardiac-arrest

[Big Turk]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

I can try very briefly.  We have far more knowledgeable people here who are likely busy treating patients but I have full confidence will nonetheless put me right if I'm wrong.

 

-For certain emergency conditions, including neurological trauma AND cardiac arrest (heart stoppage), one protocol calls for chilling the patient's body for 24 hrs

-The patient is then re-warmed over 12-20 hrs

-To accomplish this, the patient is sedated and put on a ventilator, which breathes for them. 

-While they're sedated and ventilated, we get none, zero, no info about their ability to breathe on their own, their neurological function and so forth, because, we're not talking give them a little Valium - this is serious, OR-grade sedation

 

So if this is the protocol being followed, doing the math, 24 + 12 or 20, we would expect no "good news" updates about Hamlin for at LEAST 36-44 hrs, until Weds morning or afternoon.  If you are stressed out and unable to eat or sleep, Please, for your health, take a walk, go look at your favorite view, pat some grass, eat a ***** snack, and take a nap.

 

By the way, the protocols I've found on this procedure (new since my decades-old time in the ER) all state that no alteration of care or decision based on the patient's neurological status should be made for 72 hrs after the cooling and re-warming protocols are completed - which is why that Twitter dudes "update" is to be disregarded and treated with the respect it deserves 💩

 

Haven't looked forward to this Sabres game tonight as a much needed distraction in a long time.

[IBTG81]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Here is something else nobody really thinks of...

 

How often is that AED equipment actually checked?  God forbid what would have happened if the equipment wasn't charged or it was faulty due to not being checked for months or years?  Are those things regularly inspected?  IMHO, if it isn't being done already, that should be a required thing to have functioning prior to a game being allowed to start now.

A few years ago, I ensured we had one at our little league. Our local hospital donated one. 
We inspect it once a year, before the season starts.