Week 15: Dolphins at Bills on Saturday Night Football

[Gugny]

Just now, boyst said:

And at @Gugny's 9" is a good time. 

 

It's also a pipe dream!

 

[Beck Water]

21 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

They favor this Florida team, yes.

 

This Bills team is soft and the OC doesn't want to run the football. We caught a real break when they let us move the Cleveland game to Detroit or that woulda been a loss. 

 

Um...you do realize the game against the Browns (where the game plan was drawn up expecting Buffalo and snow) featured a season-high number of 2 TE and 2 RB sets? 

 

We rushed 33 times, passed 27 times, and gained 171 yards on the ground.

[BRH]

Tua:  "Look guys, it snows in Alabama, too."

 

Total snow depth for Tuscaloosa for the months of November and December in 2017, 2018, and 2019 (when Tua played at Alabama): 0.0 inches.

 

Road games that Tua played in November and December during his Alabama career: at LSU (dome) in 2018; at Mississippi State in 2019. Temperature in Starkville on that date: 52 degrees. Precipitation: zero point zero.

 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

If they move another game then enough of the BS. Build a dome and if the location is a serious issue then there needs to be rethinking of plans. 

[K-9]

2 minutes ago, BRH said:

Tua:  "Look guys, it snows in Alabama, too."

 

Total snow depth for Tuscaloosa for the months of November and December in 2017, 2018, and 2019 (when Tua played at Alabama): 0.0 inches.

 

Road games that Tua played in November and December during his Alabama career: at LSU (dome) in 2018; at Mississippi State in 2019. Temperature in Starkville on that date: 52 degrees. Precipitation: zero point zero.

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

If they move another game then enough of the BS. Build a dome and if the location is a serious issue then there needs to be rethinking of plans. 

 

Why would they? Unless we're expected to get 70 inches of snow in 24 hours from Friday night - Saturday night?

[BRH]

Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

If they move another game then enough of the BS. Build a dome and if the location is a serious issue then there needs to be rethinking of plans. 

 

Please stop with this.

 

In neither instance was the game-day weather a factor in moving the game to Detroit.  Both games would still have been moved if Highmark was a dome.

[YattaOkasan]

56 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Pro Football Reference has Milano (Missed Tackles - 13.5%) a total of 12 missed tackles.

Bills overall at 7.5%.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2022_advanced.htm#all_advanced_defense

Thanks.  I have Damar Hamlin with more by my eye than PFR (5.9%).  Apparently PFF (not that they are great) had him at 14 missed tackles through 12 weeks so there is some subjectivity to all this (as I mentioned).  Would like to know where Marino got his numbers

 

https://t.co/vNJwxghrtz" / Twitter

 

24 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The Dolphins passing game is the short to intermediate routes over the middle. The weather won’t affect them as much as it will the Bills. Allen likes to push the ball downfield and outside the numbers. It’s why he struggles in poor weather.

Tua is listed at PFR as second in intended air yards per target.  I dont think its fair to say he throws just short and intermediate (agree on the over the middle).  The dolphins run an explosive pass game that wants to stretch you vertically.  Working in the middle of the field mitigates this some, but I suspect Frazier is gonna take that away.  I think the elements could really affect Tua if hes trying to throw deep and outside.  

 

Also Josh struggles in poor weather?  Please review the WC game against the Pats and come to the same conclusion

 

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

If they move another game then enough of the BS. Build a dome and if the location is a serious issue then there needs to be rethinking of plans. 

The DOME doesn't stop games from being moved due to historic level weather events.  See New Orleans Hurricane

[BRH]

Just now, Warriorspikes51 said:

The DOME doesn't stop games from being moved due to historic level weather events.  See New Orleans Hurricane

 

And see the Sabres games that have been postponed.  Last I checked, they play inside, and only a third as many people needed to get there.

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

It's also a pipe dream!

 

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

5 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

If they move another game then enough of the BS. Build a dome and if the location is a serious issue then there needs to be rethinking of plans. 

you're funny. why in the name of frozen fish would they move the game for 9" or less?

 

seriously, come on man.

[Motorin']

5 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

If they move another game then enough of the BS. Build a dome and if the location is a serious issue then there needs to be rethinking of plans. 

 

4 minutes ago, BRH said:

 

Please stop with this.

 

In neither instance was the game-day weather a factor in moving the game to Detroit.  Both games would still have been moved if Highmark was a dome.

 

Yeah well they better build a dome over all of WNY then! 

[HappyDays]

49 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

In the snow Miami wins 17-10

In Detroits dome, Bills win by 10+

 

that's my prediction

 

My prediction is that you're on your 3rd username and will soon be on your 4th.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Is this guy for real??? 🤣🤣🤣

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/15/tua-tagovailoa-downplays-snow-in-buffalo-it-snows-in-alabama/

[Royale with Cheese]

17 minutes ago, Lagoon Blues said:

9 inches of snow in Buffalo is called "a dusting".

 

Got a chuckle out of this dude.  

 

"The NFL is more likely to delay the game until midnight to allow time for more snow to fall."

 

LOL!

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, SUNY_amherst said:

Hopefully they move the game to beautiful Detroit again

Um, nope. Hope it pours buckets ‘o blizzards on the field to swallow up the Fish’s sunkissed dreams of winning the East…

[ColoradoBills]

14 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Um...you do realize the game against the Browns (where the game plan was drawn up expecting Buffalo and snow) featured a season-high number of 2 TE and 2 RB sets? 

 

We rushed 33 times, passed 27 times, and gained 171 yards on the ground.

 

You do realize that SUNY boy joined the board on the Monday before the Browns game.

I find these trolls that way all the time.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Is this guy for real??? 🤣🤣🤣

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/15/tua-tagovailoa-downplays-snow-in-buffalo-it-snows-in-alabama/

 

He isn't going to feel Tua bad when Milano folds him.

 

[Beck Water]

15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

This is a really good and interesting article.

 

TL;DR synopsis: SF and the Chargers both stopped the Dolphins, but the defenses they did it with were completely different.

 

The 49ers rushed 4, played zone - quarters or 2 deep - and relied upon their linebackers to cover the middle.

The Chargers played press man, very aggressive.  Then, on 3rd down, they showed pressure/man and dropped into zone coverage.

 

Evidently there's more than one way to stop a Dolphin.

 

In the Bills earlier meeting, I think we played them more along the SF model.  We got good pressure with 4 but only sacked Tua twice; we kept them from converting 3rd downs (3 of 8).  We also played to contain Hill and gave up a reasonably big day to Waddle.

 

Will be interesting to see what the Dolphins game plan is and what the Bills try to do to contain it.

[ColoradoBills]

13 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Thanks.  I have Damar Hamlin with more by my eye than PFR (5.9%).  Apparently PFF (not that they are great) had him at 14 missed tackles through 12 weeks so there is some subjectivity to all this (as I mentioned).  Would like to know where Marino got his numbers

 

So many of the "advanced stats" are subjective.  Even hard stats can get lost in the context of how they are viewed.

I like numbers so I look at them, but always with a grain of salt, merged with what I see with my own eyes.

[Warriorspikes51]

 

[beerme1]

6 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

This is a really good and interesting article.

 

TL;DR synopsis: SF and the Chargers both stopped the Dolphins, but the defenses they did it with were completely different.

 

The 49ers rushed 4, played zone - quarters or 2 deep - and relied upon their linebackers to cover the middle.

The Chargers played press man, very aggressive.  Then, on 3rd down, they showed pressure/man and dropped into zone coverage.

 

Evidently there's more than one way to stop a Dolphin.

 

In the Bills earlier meeting, I think we played them more along the SF model.  We got good pressure with 4 but only sacked Tua twice; we kept them from converting 3rd downs (3 of 8).  We also played to contain Hill and gave up a reasonably big day to Waddle.

 

Will be interesting to see what the Dolphins game plan is and what the Bills try to do to contain it.

 

Game plans have been thrown out the window. Holding on to the ball is what needs to be hammered home for both sides. 

 

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

 

Any word on whether they're gonna activate Ike Boettger, or have Van Roten play for Bates (*shudder*)?

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

 

Things are looking up regarding injuries the last couple of weeks.

I'm hoping the trend keeps moving this way and the vast majority of guys can get healthy for the playoff push.

 

We just now need to know what is going to happen to Ike B. in the next 2 days.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

15 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

well you are wrong. And I dont see why I should be banned for having an opinion anyway

opinions and trolling are two different things. you seem to be doing the latter here. 

[wppete]

16 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Is this guy for real??? 🤣🤣🤣

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/15/tua-tagovailoa-downplays-snow-in-buffalo-it-snows-in-alabama/

He said he threw the ball in snow once when vitiating his brother in Maryland 😂…. To people up here Maryland is considered the Deep South 😂……. Tua is in for a major Rude Awakening. 

[BRH]

19 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Is this guy for real??? 🤣🤣🤣

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/15/tua-tagovailoa-downplays-snow-in-buffalo-it-snows-in-alabama/

 

As some commenters pointed out, that's like the Bills saying "it gets hot in Buffalo, too!"

 

And it never snowed in Tuscaloosa, nor was there ever any snow on the ground, during the games that Tua played there.

 

Dude is whistling past the graveyard.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

45 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

That was going to be a big play. I remember Romo said the wind affected the throw. If Allen who has a cannon for an arm can struggle sometimes then what chance does Tua have.

It wasn’t that windy at the time. It literally has nothing to do with a strong arm. I mean a little. Allen likes to throw outside the numbers. Those are strong arm throws. When conditions are not good he struggles. Anyone would. He has to learn to take what the defense gives you especially in poor weather.

 

That particular play was over the middle, I think 10-15 yards downfield. He fired it. Probably didn’t need to fire it hard.

 

Why I dont think Tua will struggle is because they run a passing offense that uses short passes and run after catch.

Edited December 15, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[VaMilBill]

I gotta say, I’m a pessimist by nature and have BBFS galore. I really hope we end up dominating this weekend. Every sports station is talking about how the dolphins are struggling, Tua is struggling and can the dolphins play in cold weather. Obviously the dolphins are kinda backed into a corner. I really hope we show up and blow them out. If we lose, it would be extremely disappointing. Especially knowing we have the Bengals on deck. 

[Big Turk]

24 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Is this guy for real??? 🤣🤣🤣

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/15/tua-tagovailoa-downplays-snow-in-buffalo-it-snows-in-alabama/

1 minute ago, VaMilBill said:

I gotta say, I’m a pessimist by nature and have BBFS galore. I really hope we end up dominating this weekend. Every sports station is talking about how the dolphins are struggling, Tua is struggling and can the dolphins play in cold weather. Obviously the dolphins are kinda backed into a corner. I really hope we show up and blow them out. If we lose, it would be extremely disappointing. Especially knowing we have the Bengals on deck. 

 

IMHO, the Bills can play their C game and beat Miami in these conditions.

[BRH]

41 minutes ago, Lagoon Blues said:

9 inches of snow in Buffalo is called "a dusting".

 

Got a chuckle out of this dude.  

 

People on the East Coast and below the Mason-Dixon Line close everything down for a couple of inches.  They probably saw "9 inches" and wondered how it was even possible to play football.  They gonna find out.

[TheFunPolice]

now every time it snows we have the "I hope they don't move the game" discussion?

[wjag]

49 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

It’s so evident this Bills team is soft serve.  I mean, they only have a top 10 SoS, and roughly 70% of week 1 starters sustained injuries that incurred missed games, and to boot their MVP has played hurt 4 of the last 5 weeks and yet they are still 10-3.  What a pathetic record, this soft ass flaccid excuse for a team has completely quit on Buffalo.

 

- Delusional Bills Fans

 

Can you be "soft ass flaccid" at the same time?  Asking for a friend...

[wppete]

Just think how insane the crowd is going to be be on Saturday night??? Billdos flying everywhere! Talk about tough conditions from the weather and crowd! 

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

now every time it snows we have the "I hope they don't move the game" discussion?

Or kids in school: "Hope we don't have to go online!"

Edited December 15, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

33 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

you're funny. why in the name of frozen fish would they move the game for 9" or less?

 

seriously, come on man.

I don’t know why they’d move it period. No other team ever has to

[Stank_Nasty]

 

[Son of a K-Gun]

2 hours ago, The Wiz said:

 

 

Sticking with the theme, here's hoping the Bills dish out a revenge beating a la Ralphie on Scut Farkus...SO HELP ME GOD, YELLOW EYES!!

 

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:

Yes its ~15% for Milano.  Joe Marino has 10% as his acceptable level.  I think Tremaine was a bit lower than 10%.  As a team I dont think we have a good number.

 

Do you know where is Marino getting his numbers and how he decides what is or isn't acceptable?  The Bills do have the #2 defense for points against, #9 for yards given up, #4 for turnovers.  So in terms of results, what exactly is "unacceptable"?

 

That has to be some stuff like where some outfit (PFF?) gave Milano a very low grade for the KC game because he wasn't making tackles.  Except in the KC game, Milano's assignment was to shadow Mahomes and once he was flushed to one side, contain/pressure/tackle him.  So no, he wasn't running around covering short routes or minding a gap to tackle an RB, but to observers who understood his assignment, he Killed it.

 

If anyone has actually watched how Milano has been playing, then uses "unacceptable" to describe it, I gotta say, I kinda question how much they know Ball.