Wawrow hints an Internal Issues with the Bills

[Freak-O]

Can everyone complaining about not having enough talent at certain positions say what players we should sacrifice to fill those holes since we’re close to the cap as well as point to what other teams have better rosters. The fact is this team has stumbled three times after having really bad games  against opponents playing near their max only to win by the smallest of margins. I favour the Bills against any team in this league right now, especially if some of the injured players return, and so to the bookies. But sure, everything sucks… Coaches, players, everything. Is that really the attitude of the Bills Mafia? 

[nucci]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I think he likely gets stuffed for a safety and the Bills have to punt the ball back.

maybe but davis behind him. and Allen moving forward...

Edited November 14, 2022 by nucci

[Big Turk]

12 minutes ago, boyst said:

• Diggs was openly vocal and there was enough chatter even here that people knew he was upset at the pay day every other WR was getting while the team kept telling him he was the fundamental part of our future. this was causing an issue in the room, not a major issue but still an issue.
• Araiza was a hiccup for the team focused on dialing it in for the season. it never seemed to cause an effect on anyone, though.
• Poyer isn't malcontent but it is a known issue on the team he wants the deal, and some frustration was there that we brought in some outside help before bringing him to the table. common knowledge, as well.
• Beasley was talked about enough and enough chatter came out of the locker room and team to verify this.

Of all the stuff you say is wrong - which is easily backed up by whats in the media and fanbase - you openly agree with something that was kept very much behind the scenes - Daboll being upset. i found that funny because so little was said of that and the only glimpse was the Miami coach bringing it up to go to the Giants.

 

you don't have to take my word for it but i hear enough from the team about the team from people that i don't just make things up.

 

you can say "journalist" about Wawrow but if you've met him and had a conversation with him you would understand why he says things the way he does. if he is making an off the cuff statement at all then he is frustrated and knows his sources are strong enough he can make a vague statement. the guy doesn't post rubbish - he cannot due to AP policy. (he must have a direct source and verification of said source if not a second source...and if someone is talking to him there is some problems in the team).

 

Apparently over McD breathing down his neck about running the ball?

 

This move followed a string of puzzling comments about Daboll’s relationship with Sean McDermott. Daboll explained that he was unhappy with his situation in Buffalo because McDermott was breathing down his neck about running the ball.

This comment came as a surprise to many Bills fans because as we know, our strength isn’t in running, but in passing. It appears as this comment not only confused Daboll but frustrated him to the point of him leaving.

 

https://buffstaterecord.com/17478/sports/mcdermott-beane-daboll-and-schoen-one-big-happy-family/#:~:text=Daboll explained that he was,in running%2C but in passing.

[Bob in STL]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

True. If Allen hadn’t fumbled, it’s likely a safety instead of a touchdown. Or, maybe, best case scenario, they get back to the line of scrimmage. Still, a bad coaching decision. 

 

Morse got blown off the ball (red arrow below). Just like the interior o-line had been blown off the ball all day. There was just very little chance of success on this play. Looking at it over and over, maybe Josh can hop and push to the right for one yard? If that happened, then they’re in the same situation. 2nd and 9 from the 1 yard line and they still can’t kneel the ball.

 

 

Morse and our guards are pretty week when it comes to getting a push on a play like that.   You just knew the middle would be stacked and they would cave.  

 

The Vikings were looking for the sneak.  The play I like best is put to a FB in the backfield to sell the dive up the middle, fake it to him up the middle so that he can help stem the flow on the Interior OL, Allen rolls right for the RPO - Allen could run or pass if it is there.  We needed about 5 feet to have room to take a knee.   

 

The snap is critical, even having Allen taking a safety was a better plan, although I would not design the play to take one without trying to get out first.  Taking the safety would be his instruction if the play is a bust.  

 

It is such an indictment on the offensive team's preparation that we can't execute these situational plays and secure the game.  

 

That falls on McD and Dorsey.  

[Logic]

Is it a coincidence that the posters on this forum giving the most credence to the "internal strife and malcontents!" notion are, themselves, mostly malcontents and filled with internal strife?

[WideNine]

3 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

OK then so why on fourth and inches when the entire defense knows a quarterback sneak is coming is it successful over 90% of the time. 
 

The call was fine. The Bills needed to get 0 yards and they’d still be fine. 
 

josh Allen botched it. That’s not coaching that’s execution. End of story. 

 

Because that is usually done in the middle of the field to move the chains and not out of your end zone.

 

Worse that happens in those situations is that you don't make it and turn it over on downs OR you put the ball on the ground and it is usually dead there and a turn over on loss of possession.

 

Either way it is not in your end zone.

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, nucci said:

he doesn't fumble the snap the game is over

 

This is true too.

 

It can be both a bad play call and a bad Josh moment.

 

Those are not mutually exclusive.

 

 

 

[Scott7975]

Maybe the rift is Beane drafts and bring in players and they sit on the bench.  Maybe its weird to activate 5 running backs and then abandon a working run game putting everything on Josh again.

[Goin Breakdown]

One reporter hints about issues and we all freak out. I hate gossip. It does nothing but divide. That's media for you. 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Goin Breakdown

[The Jokeman]

6 hours ago, McBean said:

Let’s hope those internal issues are Brandon Beane finally realizing that Sean McDermott is Doug Collins. I hope Beane takes a look at the 7-2 New York Giants, with way less talent, and realizes what the real problem is. 

Do the right thing Beane and hire a bright offensive minded HC, or we’re going to waste a generational talent in Josh Allen.

Because McDermott made that talent throw two bad picks in the endzone or drop the snap at the one yard line? I love Josh as anyone here but he was a big reason for yesterday's loss and not sure any coach whether defensive or offensive minded could have changed it. 

[LeGOATski]

Has @john wawrowposted in this thread yet? I love when he brings his BS to the board and then gets all mad when people call him out on it.

 

The vaxx stuff never "nearly tore the team apart" but it was a story Wawrow tried to force down our throats and now he's doubling down. He's of the belief that if you write something down enough times, it becomes fact. That's the kind of journalist he is. He doesn't chase the TRUE story, he chases what he thinks SHOULD be the story. He knows it's the perfect time to hint at trouble right now (as the team hits a rough patch) because that's when he can get the most reaction from readers. Drama, drama, drama.... It just doesn't work as well when the team is winning.

[Goin Breakdown]

Why wait till now. Why not talk about the issues right after the KC victory?? I know I know. 

[BillsFan2313]

24 minutes ago, boyst said:

• Diggs was openly vocal and there was enough chatter even here that people knew he was upset at the pay day every other WR was getting while the team kept telling him he was the fundamental part of our future. this was causing an issue in the room, not a major issue but still an issue.
• Araiza was a hiccup for the team focused on dialing it in for the season. it never seemed to cause an effect on anyone, though.
• Poyer isn't malcontent but it is a known issue on the team he wants the deal, and some frustration was there that we brought in some outside help before bringing him to the table. common knowledge, as well.
• Beasley was talked about enough and enough chatter came out of the locker room and team to verify this.

Of all the stuff you say is wrong - which is easily backed up by whats in the media and fanbase - you openly agree with something that was kept very much behind the scenes - Daboll being upset. i found that funny because so little was said of that and the only glimpse was the Miami coach bringing it up to go to the Giants.

 

you don't have to take my word for it but i hear enough from the team about the team from people that i don't just make things up.

 

you can say "journalist" about Wawrow but if you've met him and had a conversation with him you would understand why he says things the way he does. if he is making an off the cuff statement at all then he is frustrated and knows his sources are strong enough he can make a vague statement. the guy doesn't post rubbish - he cannot due to AP policy. (he must have a direct source and verification of said source if not a second source...and if someone is talking to him there is some problems in the team).

 

 

[Bob in STL]

18 minutes ago, boyst said:

• Diggs was openly vocal and there was enough chatter even here that people knew he was upset at the pay day every other WR was getting while the team kept telling him he was the fundamental part of our future. this was causing an issue in the room, not a major issue but still an issue.
• Araiza was a hiccup for the team focused on dialing it in for the season. it never seemed to cause an effect on anyone, though.
• Poyer isn't malcontent but it is a known issue on the team he wants the deal, and some frustration was there that we brought in some outside help before bringing him to the table. common knowledge, as well.
• Beasley was talked about enough and enough chatter came out of the locker room and team to verify this.

Of all the stuff you say is wrong - which is easily backed up by whats in the media and fanbase - you openly agree with something that was kept very much behind the scenes - Daboll being upset. i found that funny because so little was said of that and the only glimpse was the Miami coach bringing it up to go to the Giants.

 

you don't have to take my word for it but i hear enough from the team about the team from people that i don't just make things up.

 

you can say "journalist" about Wawrow but if you've met him and had a conversation with him you would understand why he says things the way he does. if he is making an off the cuff statement at all then he is frustrated and knows his sources are strong enough he can make a vague statement. the guy doesn't post rubbish - he cannot due to AP policy. (he must have a direct source and verification of said source if not a second source...and if someone is talking to him there is some problems in the team).

No sense in arguing this, we all "hear things".   If the problem is contracts, then that could be the price of success and Beane has to take care of it.  With a salary cap, not everyone is going to get the big payday.   All that other stuff (Araiza, Beasley, even Daboll,) are distractions from the past and they are not part of this roster.  

 

I have read Warrow's postings here and in SabreSpace.   I don't know why he would bother to post on fan forums when he always seems to let other posters rile him up, and then he disappears.  I feel his tweet was unprofessional, especially given the position he carries in the Bills media.     Not a fan of his.  

 

[frostbitmic]

48 minutes ago, muppy said:

the counter point would be that if the Bills had scored a TD we'd have shown dominance over our adversary and up by 14.  Going for the 3 was my preference and taking the points that Bass likely would have produced. It was a coaching decision that clearly did not work in the Bills favor. 20-20 hindsight. If we'd have scored the TD it may have turned into the nail in the Vikings coffin. We will never know. And hence here we are.

My thinking at that point was take the three. For them to win, they'd need to score two TDs, all we would need would be another FG.

 

I guess I'm not feeling the confidence in our red zone offense lately nor do I have confidence in a defense missing half our starters.

 

It would be nice to see what this team could do when healthy.

[Bob in STL]

1 hour ago, frostbitmic said:

My thinking at that point was take the three. For them to win, they'd need to score two TDs, all we would need would be another FG.

 

I guess I'm not feeling the confidence in our red zone offense lately nor do I have confidence in a defense missing half our starters.

 

It would be nice to see what this team could do when healthy.

Agree.  You take the 3 and make them score two TDs.   We get the ball back in between those possessions and another 3 wins it.   What hurts is we didn't even try to get the 2 yards on 3rd or 4th down, keep the drive alive and chew more clock.  

 

 

We lucked out that they missed the extra point.   

 

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Bob in STL

[Logic]

I really don't understand what the people who think the QB sneak was a bad call wish we would have called instead.

If you call a pass play, multiple bad things can happen. A holding or intentional grounding call in the end zone results in a safety. A sack results in a safety. You presume that the defense is going to be squatting on the quick routes, so there's a high risk of interception. 

Meanwhile, if you call a run play, you're REALLY playing with fire.

A QB sneak was the right call.

People need to learn to separate a call from the result of the call. Same thing with going for it up 10 instead of kicking the field goal. The DECISION was good. The execution and result that followed were bad, but that doesn't mean the decision was wrong.

[FilthyBeast]

Not really a shocker consider recent comments from Beasely, Feliciano, etc.

 

And at some point McD's tired message is going to get stale in the lockerroom and when that happens and certain players (or the whole team) quits that's when it will truly be over for him and possibly Beane if they are locked at the hip in this thing.

[PromoTheRobot]

6 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

lol k

 

we'll see when they draft another CB/S/DL early this offseason.

 

I would have traded two firsts for AJ Brown or DK Metcalf. This offense would be unstoppable.

 

 

Drafts are 7 rounds. You can't look at just who's taken first and make broad pronouncements. Does trading a 1st for Diggs not count as drafting offense?

[GETTOTHE50]

[PromoTheRobot]

6 hours ago, mrags said:

Singletary just sucks. But I will say that running him on a draw out of the shotgun is just dumb.

 

What sucks is opposing tacklers meeting our RBs behind the line of scrimmage, which is what was happening Sunday. We can't run block.

Edited November 14, 2022 by PromoTheRobot

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Well you lose this gut wrenching games and it starts to take a toll.

 

McDermott’s tone doesn’t help. 

[LabattBlue]

Is Wawrow the same guy who used to come here and boast about his superior music group opinions?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Drafts are 7 rounds. You can't look at just who's taken first and make broad pronouncements. Does trading a 1st for Diggs not count as drafting offense?

Correct. Because it hints at an inability to find guys like Diggs in the draft.

 

Assume for a moment that the trade didn't happen. Do you have faith that this FO would have drafted Jefferson? I don't.

 

[BillzFreak]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Correct. Because it hints at an inability to find guys like Diggs in the draft.

 

Assume for a moment that the trade didn't happen. Do you have faith that this FO would have drafted Jefferson? I don't.

 

Yes that's right, we all knew Justin Jefferson would turn out to be the player he is now. We needed a proven number 1 wide out for Josh. Yes we could of drafted Justin Jefferson but we went for proven talent instead. That is no way saying we have a inability to find and draft good talent. And for you to even believe what you posted provess to me you know very little about football.

[Airseven]

19 minutes ago, Logic said:

I really don't understand what the people who think the QB sneak was a bad call wish we would have called instead.

If you call a pass play, multiple bad things can happen. A holding or intentional grounding call in the end zone results in a safety. A sack results in a safety. You presume that the defense is going to be squatting on the quick routes, so there's a high risk of interception. 

Meanwhile, if you call a run play, you're REALLY playing with fire.

A QB sneak was the right call.

People need to learn to separate a call from the result of the call. Same thing with going for it up 10 instead of kicking the field goal. The DECISION was good. The execution and result that followed were bad, but that doesn't mean the decision was wrong.

A shotgun/rollout would have provided him multiple options including run, pass, throwaway. Keep the ball in Allen’s hands moving him away from pressure rather than the predictable sneak behind an OL that rarely gains leverage - Allen was panicked the moment he walked up to the line. Apparently it’s also worth noting a safety would’ve been better than a turnover/touchdown.
 

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Airseven

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, BillzFreak said:

Yes that's right, we all knew Justin Jefferson would turn out to be the player he is now. We needed a proven number 1 wide out for Josh. Yes we could of drafted Justin Jefferson but we went for proven talent instead. That is no way saying we have a inability to find and draft good talent. And for you to even believe what you posted provess to me you know very little about football.

lol k

 

wake me up when the buffalo bills draft an all-world WR, TE, or OL.

 

 

[Realist]

So Warrow tweets out of no where about internal issues and says I've said enough? Bullcrap, if he can't say anything more about what kind of issues because he's afraid of losing respect of the Bills, then maybe he shouldn't have said anything at all. Wouldn't the Bills be ticked he even said that much and not give him as much access? He's doing this so we all click on follow and read everything he has to say, it's all for clicks. 

 

I'm not saying it's all sunshine and roses at OBD, I'd be pissed if we just lost 2 games like that as well, but for Warrow to just throw that out there and say he said enough is crap. I've lost all respect for him.

[Logic]

3 minutes ago, Airseven said:

A shotgun/rollout would have provided him multiple options including run, pass, throwaway. Keep the ball in Allen’s hands moving him away from pressure rather than the predictable sneak behind an OL that rarely gains leverage - Allen was panicked the moment we walked up to the line. Apparently it’s also worth noting a safety would’ve been better than a turnover/touchdown.
 

As I said previously, a holding penalty against any offensive lineman -- Dawkins was called for holding in a clutch moment against the Jets just the previous week -- results in a safety. Grounding is also a risk.

And if you concede that Allen was "panicked the moment we walked up to the line", what makes you think he would have been any LESS so if he was called on to THROW the ball?

Also, a safety, resulting in 2 points but also having to free kick the ball away to the Vikings who would've only needed a field goal to win, was NOT a great option. Preferable to literally fumbling in one's own end zone, sure, but you'd like to think your QB and center can execute the most basic play in football without stepping on their own *****.

Edited November 14, 2022 by Logic

[BillzFreak]

Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

lol k

 

wake me up when the buffalo bills draft an all-world WR, TE, or

As I stated you have very little knowledge of football. It's ok stick to trolling you're doing a splendid job. Congrats to you bud!!!

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

Like, if Josh were in the Chiefs.

 

It wasn't that long ago that Andy Reid was considered an "idiot" that couldn't win the big one.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, BillzFreak said:

As I stated you have very little knowledge of football. It's ok stick to trolling you're doing a splendid job. Congrats to you bud!!!

 

Ah, so, you can't name an instance where this FO drafted an all world skill player.

 

Please, go ahead, astonish us with your vast storehouse of knowledge!

 

[dave mcbride]

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

As I said previously, a holding penalty against any offensive lineman -- Dawkins was called for holding in a clutch moment against the Jets just the previous week -- results in a safety. Grounding is also a risk.

And if you concede that Allen was "panicked the moment we walked up to the line", what makes you think he would have been any LESS so if he was called on to THROW the ball?

Also, a safety, resulting in 2 points but also having to free kick the ball away to the Vikings who would've only needed a field goal to win, was NOT a great option. Preferable to literally fumbling in one's own end zone, sure, but you'd like to think your QB and center can execute the most basic play in football without stepping on their own *****.

Ironically, on two consecutive plays, failed qb sneaks resulted in outcomes where each team’s percentage of winning the game dropped to roughly one percent (lower for the vikings; below one percent). But both teams overcame the failed sneaks. 

Edited November 14, 2022 by dave mcbride

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

Here are things you should be doing if you are an NFL franchise lucky enough to have a generational talent at quarterback:

 

1.  Invest heavily in your offensive line, so as not to get your QB killed. - We signed Saffold

2. Get your QB the best weapons possible, including speed receivers who can open up the field, knowing that because of the special talents of your QB, ROI on such players will be multiplied.  (Hint:  Don't use all your premium picks on defensive players...)  Does Diggs count? Does signing your up till now effective TE count? Is Gabe Davis chopped liver?

3  Try to develop some sort of running attack so that EVERYTHING doesn't have to run through your QB all the time.  (See also, item 1, above) We hired a supposed O-line whisperer in Aaron Kromer to do just that.

4.  Hire an innovative OC who is able to maximize your QB's special talents. We hired Ken Dorsey who Josh wanted and worked under Dabol. Remember when continuity was a buzz word 'round here?

 

The Bills are a huge FAIL in all four categories.    

 

The Bills tried to do all those things and up until 3 weeks ago seemed to be working.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

31 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

Agree.  You take the 3 and make them score two TDs.   W get the ball back in between those possession and another 3 wins it.   What hurts is we didn't even try to get the 2 yards on 3rd or 4th down, keep the drive alive and chew more clock.  

 

 

We lucked out that missed the extra point.   

 

 

that was the ridiculous part 2nd and 2 at that point in the game and that situation run it 2 more times 3 if you want to go for it. 

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

Just now, Logic said:

Also, a safety, resulting in 2 points but also having to free kick the ball away to the Vikings who would've only needed a field goal to win, was NOT a great option. Preferable to literally fumbling in one's own end zone, sure, but you'd like to think your QB and center can execute the most basic play in football without stepping on their own *****.

This… I mean how many times has Morse snapped the football to Allen??? I couldn’t even fathom what the actual number is, all the practices, and they pick that moment to somehow fudge it up??? It doesn’t even make sense and it’s just something that shouldn’t happen between two players getting paid an obscene amount of money to play the game at this level.   Regardless of McDermott’s glaring in game coaching deficiencies, if Josh just doesn’t make some really stupid mistakes, this game is an easy W.  I don’t care if he’s the reason the team was in position to W, when he’s also the reason they lost, that’s not what you’re paying a quarter billion $ for.  The fact that he literally gave the Vikings the go ahead score, these interceptions he’s throwing are also huge swings that cost the last two games. These aren’t even. 50/50 balls, these are 100% right to the defender on atleast three occasions… So internal this or that, sure, whatever, but that’s not the main issue, that’s not what’s causing Josh Allen make some of the worst plays he’s made in a Bills uniform over the last few weeks.

[PromoTheRobot]

19 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Correct. Because it hints at an inability to find guys like Diggs in the draft.

 

Assume for a moment that the trade didn't happen. Do you have faith that this FO would have drafted Jefferson? I don't.

 

 

You assume that Minny "found" Jefferson and didn't just luck out having him fall in their lap.  I have plenty of faith in our front office. They find gems in rounds other that one. Compare the drafts we've had under Beane to any that came before. The Bills are built with players we drafted. Trades and free agency are meant to be the cherry on the sundae and not the way we build a roster. I suggest we all step off the ledge. Big Baller Beane is the best GM this franchise has ever had.

[BillzFreak]

8 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Ah, so, you can't name an instance where this FO drafted an all world skill player.

 

Please, go ahead, astonish us with your vast storehouse of knowledge!

 

So just wondering what do you consider Josh Allen. Let me guess the quarterback to you isn't considered a skill position.

[Roundybout]

10 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Ah, so, you can't name an instance where this FO drafted an all world skill player.

 

Please, go ahead, astonish us with your vast storehouse of knowledge!

 

Geez Joe, you sure turn on organizations quick huh? Reminds me of your anti-Tyrod days. 

[BillsGuyOutWest]

Would be much more worried if it was Waingro  reporting all this.

 

 They had to get it on man.

[4merper4mer]

19 minutes ago, Realist said:

So Warrow tweets out of no where about internal issues and says I've said enough? Bullcrap, if he can't say anything more about what kind of issues because he's afraid of losing respect of the Bills, then maybe he shouldn't have said anything at all. Wouldn't the Bills be ticked he even said that much and not give him as much access? He's doing this so we all click on follow and read everything he has to say, it's all for clicks. 

 

I'm not saying it's all sunshine and roses at OBD, I'd be pissed if we just lost 2 games like that as well, but for Warrow to just throw that out there and say he said enough is crap. I've lost all respect for him.

Teenage girls gonna teenage girl.

 

Say it and back it up or don’t say it.  Doing it the way he did makes about as useful as a dating rumor in middle school.