Barnaby Wilde Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) Kawhi Leonard is facing the same scrutiny by the media and teammates. Load Management worked for him on the Raptors and got his fill of it but the Clip in LA aren't as generous nor patient with him. But I believe in letting the player make his own call. To suggest Tre' is loafing around and milking it for time off is lunacy. None of this happens if they can only make a clean exchange on the snap. It just opened up a whole can of worms. Edited November 14, 2022 by Reverse Meathead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 oh my... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmel Corn Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 IDK about what's truth or fiction here. What I will say is that his return against the Browns could maybe bring a little "spark" back to the team that could use exactly that right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 1 hour ago, BillyBilliams said: I was an All-State athlete in soccer He said "sport", not soccer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 I will never fault a player when it comes down to injuries. This league will discard you quicker than you know when you can't perform. So if player is taking extra precautions to make sure they are fully comfortable that is their decision. By all accounts Tre has been working very hard to rehab and trying to get back into playing shape. So when he is ready to go I want him fully comfortable there is going to be no restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 You see this all the time with serious ACL injuries. The hardest part is learning to trust the knee again. But I do agree that he either needs to retire or start playing. He has been medically cleared for enough time that he has had a training camp's worth of football conditioning. Other guys are going out there playing hurt and he is actually the least injured DB on this team right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 18 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: No reason to not play this game. We need him. Maybe he really did have a setback. Allen plays hurt and White isn’t even technically hurt, just “rehabbing” . 👎 I would he rather be 100% and healthy for the pay-offs than in a game in the 2nd week of November. To say that he's dogging it and just collecting a paycheck isn't right 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsflyer12 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 If the team would have just left him on injury report as Limited/Knee or kept him in non contact jersey much of this wouldn't have flared up. I live in Denver and am a Denver Nuggets fan. We went through this last season with Jamal Murray. Drs cleared him for weeks/months but he never returned. Coaches just said over and over again that he would play when HE was ready to play. Some of this injury is understandably a big mental hurdle, I think there are ways the team could cover for him until he is mentally ready. 3 minutes ago, damj said: 👎 I would he rather be 100% and healthy for the pay-offs than in a game in the 2nd week of November. To say that he's dogging it and just collecting a paycheck isn't right I guess you are assuming the playoffs are assured, I’m not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said: If the team would have just left him on injury report as Limited/Knee or kept him in non contact jersey much of this wouldn't have flared up. I live in Denver and am a Denver Nuggets fan. We went through this last season with Jamal Murray. Drs cleared him for weeks/months but he never returned. Coaches just said over and over again that he would play when HE was ready to play. Some of this injury is understandably a big mental hurdle, I think there are ways the team could cover for him until he is mentally ready. I guess you are assuming the playoffs are assured, I’m not. Fair point. I was at least hoping he would dress and get worked in part time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 I think the Cleveland game is a good game for Tre to get back playing. The Browns will try to establish the run game early. Especially since the Bills have a proclivity of getting gashed in the run game at times. Give him a warm start to gameplay against a team that doesn't necessarily sling it all over the field. With that said, the suspicious "not ready to play", while being cleared for weeks is a head-scratcher. McDermott definitely appears to be playing the long game, being extra cautious with some injuries so that we're in a better position for the end-run. However, it's now looking like the Bills will be in a dog fight the rest of the way rather than being able to rest some players at the end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 18 hours ago, Roundybout said: For the hype he gets, he's overrated. All the goalie academy crap means nothing when he refuses to go out there with his team. He gets a lot of hype. I don't see it matching his play but maybe was injured. He didn't know to "knock it down" ?? Maybe selfish. You think he'd know to knock it down? Jackson bests him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 23 minutes ago, Fleezoid said: I think the Cleveland game is a good game for Tre to get back playing. The Browns will try to establish the run game early. Especially since the Bills have a proclivity of getting gashed in the run game at times. Give him a warm start to gameplay against a team that doesn't necessarily sling it all over the field. With that said, the suspicious "not ready to play", while being cleared for weeks is a head-scratcher. McDermott definitely appears to be playing the long game, being extra cautious with some injuries so that we're in a better position for the end-run. However, it's now looking like the Bills will be in a dog fight the rest of the way rather than being able to rest some players at the end. I doubt we see him next week. He hasn’t played in nearly 12 months and I can’t see them running him out there twice in five days when he returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 If the delay in return is from White and/or his camp then the OP is correct with this premise. But something tells me it's this overly conservative coaching and medical staff not making this move and at this point they are saving White for a playoff run that may never happen. Either way this goes back to Beane's gross negligence of not adequately addressing DB in the offseason and bringing in a proven veteran that should have been starting from day one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Anyone listening to McD's presser today? Really sounds like he's covering up that it's a mental issue for White. He refused to get into whether or not it was "mental or physical." Sounds like Tre is pulling a Ben Simmons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 This honestly doesn't sound good. We know it's not physical. He's cleared to play. He's not on the injury reports. He's been practicing for weeks. I don't think this is the coaches babying him. I think this is a mental issue for Tre and who knows when he will get over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Just now, Process said: This honestly doesn't sound good. We know it's not physical. He's cleared to play. He's not on the injury reports. He's been practicing for weeks. I don't think this is the coaches babying him. I think this is a mental issue for Tre and who knows when he will get over that. Same issue back when Covid was a thing. he wavered back and forth on playing for weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Just now, Roundybout said: Same issue back when Covid was a thing. he wavered back and forth on playing for weeks. He strikes me as a retire early kind of guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Just now, Process said: He strikes me as a retire early kind of guy. Yeah, sad but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 He sure as hell ain’t coming back in 90 feet of snow. Maybe he comes back on the scene of the crime….. Thanksgiving Day, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Perhaps the most full of crap OP in the 26+ years we’ve been discussing this team in a forum. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbbillsfan Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Weird deal - seems like he has a mental block or something. Seems so odd that the tone has shifted after it seemed like the Bills Brass was incredibly positive about how White's rehab has gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 23 hours ago, Rc2catch said: Stop it. It must be an insatiable craving for attention. That’s all I can think of. I’m sure there are reasons why the timeline for Tre is what it is. I don’t feel the need to whine about it. Get well and come back when ready, Tre. I hope that is soon. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Yeah based on Coach's comments I'm not holding my breath on seeing White any time soon. Would we even want to put a guy back in the game whose head isn't in it? Probably better to roll with what we have. It creates another hole in the roster but he's an awfully expensive luxury if he's not going to see the field Could this be the distraction/controversy that is roiling the locker room? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 If the problem is mental, then you can probably forget him ever getting back to playing at an All-Pro level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 22 minutes ago, K-9 said: Perhaps the most full of crap OP in the 26+ years we’ve been discussing this team in a forum. I love how we supposedly don’t care about rushing tre white from an infamously terrible knee injury but people lost their minds when josh played a week after an elbow injury that nobody really knew anything about 🤣 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 He’s mentally not ready. All those $$$$ are blinding him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 I hear he is shredding $100 bills to stuff his new goalie pads, while laughing at the fans and his teammates. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, wppete said: He’s mentally not ready. All those $$$$ are blinding him. Odell does not currently have a contract so it is in his best interest to get signed by a team as soon as possible. He is ‘cleared’ and has been delaying team visits likely because he is not in game shape. There’s more to getting football ready than being physically cleared 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Was there actually an update that had said he was ready? I thought he was still week to week but things were trending in a positive direction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 30 minutes ago, nbbillsfan said: Weird deal - seems like he has a mental block or something. Seems so odd that the tone has shifted after it seemed like the Bills Brass was incredibly positive about how White's rehab has gone. My guess is his mental issue with the injury helped prompt the positivity in the media. 1 minute ago, Dick_Cheney said: Was there actually an update that had said he was ready? I thought he was still week to week but things were trending in a positive direction. He's activated and not on the injury report. If he is week to week its because he isnt ready mentally, he is physically available according to the team's doctors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Dick_Cheney said: Was there actually an update that had said he was ready? I thought he was still week to week but things were trending in a positive direction. I don’t think everyone around here gets the PUP/ IR status details lol just because they activated him off the pup list doesn’t mean he’s ready to play 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: My guess is his mental issue with the injury helped prompt the positivity in the media. He's activated and not on the injury report. If he is week to week its because he isnt ready mentally, he is physically available according to the team's doctors. Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said: I don’t think everyone around here gets the PUP/ IR status details lol just because they activated him off the pup list doesn’t mean he’s ready to play Huh, thanks. Yeah that's an interesting juxtaposition regarding the status of things. I'm not sure I buy the "isn't mentally ready" to play thing. Again, was there something that was mentioned or reported that he was dealing with anything like that? Guy has always seemed like an absolute top level competitor and I'd be surprised if he wasn't just desperate to get back on the field. But, those things do happen. Even Johnny from the Bazooka Sharks took time off to get his head straight for a while, so who knows really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Just now, Dick_Cheney said: Huh, thanks. Yeah that's an interesting juxtaposition regarding the status of things. I'm not sure I buy the "isn't mentally ready" to play thing. Again, was there something that was mentioned or reported that he was dealing with anything like that? Guy has always seemed like an absolute top level competitor and I'd be surprised if he wasn't just desperate to get back on the field. But, those things do happen. Even Johnny from the Bazooka Sharks took time off to get his head straight for a while, so who knows really. Whoever said the mentally ready thing in this thread is jumping to conclusions. Team doctors have confirmed he doesn’t have any knee complications but that doesn’t mean he’s game ready. There’s no injury designation for ‘would be a liability if he played meaningful snaps in a game because he’s not in shape yet’ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Whoever said the mentally ready thing in this thread is jumping to conclusions. Team doctors have confirmed he doesn’t have any knee complications but that doesn’t mean he’s game ready. There’s no injury designation for ‘would be a liability if he played meaningful snaps in a game because he’s not in shape yet’ Agreed. This is what makes the most sense to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 This thread makes no sense. He tore his ACL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 23 hours ago, BillyBilliams said: He doesn't feel like playing. I mean, why wouldn't he play? He's guaranteed all that money and the coaching staff is just gonna let him do whatever he wants. No big deal..... Yes, because all top pro athletes know the best way to your next payday is sit around and to do nothing, no big deal. And also, pro athlete don't have any drive, so they really WANT to just sit and do nothing and collect a paycheck. Seems pretty plausible. 🙄 I'm not sure why he's not playing (other than, you know, a major injury that required surgery), but I'm guessing it's not just laziness like many here seem to think 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Just now, Success said: This thread makes no sense. He tore his ACL. Well what about Chris Godwin? The commutative powers of ACL recoveries suggest White should have been back months ago!! Thats how medicine works. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 I get that McDermott can't just come out and say "He's not game ready because he spent the last year rehabbing an injury, not practicing in training camp." There's no way to say that about a veteran player in a way that doesn't come across as a slight. But it would be nice if this staff could find some way to communicate with fans in a manner less reminiscent of North Korean state media. I don't mind the gamesmanship that took place this week with Allen's elbow, but fans do have a legitimate right to know basic stuff that's going on with notable players. They're being extremely well-compensated for giving up that aspect of their personal privacy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Heitz said: Yes, because all top pro athletes know the best way to your next payday is sit around and to do nothing, no big deal. And also, pro athlete don't have any drive, so they really WANT to just sit and do nothing and collect a paycheck. Seems pretty plausible. 🙄 I'm not sure why he's not playing (other than, you know, a major injury that required surgery), but I'm guessing it's not just laziness like many here seem to think It might be a host of other character issues instead of pure laziness. Have we considered greed, selfishness, and spite? No need to understand when we can just assassinate his character. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 You mofos are pathetic. Flaky as all hell. Smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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