The blueprint is in, Buffalo has been figured out

[nedboy7]

13 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

They miss Poyer and Hyde, particularly in run D.  They were also missing Milano which was big.  The offense was the problem today.  As another poster said, it is Allen and Diggs with a little support from Singletary.  Davis had a big week or two after his injury, but nothing since and I root for McKenzie, but he is only a decent backup.

What is their lead in the division?  

 

Josh was the problem.  Don't try to spread the blame.  You tell us what the lead is.  You can read. 

[Royale with Cheese]

52 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

And then lose…

So do 31 teams.  
 

 

 

[Scott7975]

We lost because Allen played like crap.  Thats the only reason.  The blueprint is to get Josh to play like crap.  Good luck.  I dont think he will have too many of those.  Hopefully none in the playoffs.

[Cray51]

Milano and Poyer out mattered more than anything else in this game.  They took advantage of Jaquan all day, and Bernard couldn’t make some of the reads Milano would be able to when attacking downhill.

[MAJBobby]

37 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

They miss Poyer and Hyde, particularly in run D.  They were also missing Milano which was big.  The offense was the problem today.  As another poster said, it is Allen and Diggs with a little support from Singletary.  Davis had a big week or two after his injury, but nothing since and I root for McKenzie, but he is only a decent backup.

What is their lead in the division?  

A half game. Meaning the lead the division right? 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, Amaru523 said:

That strategy works very well when almost half of our starters on D are out, but what happens when we're healthy?

When's that due to happen?

[Starr Almighty]

1 hour ago, DallasBillsFan1 said:

It's the old Bill Parcells / Giants approach used to beat Buffalo in the Superbowl:  ball control and time of possesion.  Run the ball often and effectively thereby keeping the ball out of Josh's hands.  That and putting A LOT of pressure on JA17.  You saw Green Bay do it last week and now the Jets ... only Wilson had more production than A Rogers.  You also saw that the Buffalo offense was not on the field for long periods of time last week and this week.  

Granted, Bills had an off day, but that makes two weeks in a row.  Josh has regressed since the bye.  Tough to watch that pile of dooty today ... all three phases were sub par.

Except if the Bills don't turn the ball over on that 1st drive and score any points. Also when up 4 and they got the turnover if it's not turned over again and any points are scored running doesn't work. So the Bills turning the ball over is what is the issue 

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Josh played like garbage; that's the formula for our loss today.

When he returns to form, we'll be winning by double digits again.

 

 

No more analysis than this is required. Begins and ends with Josh Allen. 

[Nuncha]

17 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

Milano and Poyer out mattered more than anything else in this game.  They took advantage of Jaquan all day, and Bernard couldn’t make some of the reads Milano would be able to when attacking downhill.

Too many missed tackles.  The 4th quarter Jet drive that led to a field goal and started at the 4 yard line, they blew up one of the running plays and had the RB for a loss, he broke away and gained NINE yards.  Same thing was happening last week.

[Airseven]

46 minutes ago, inaugural balls said:

 

 I agree, the offense is not performimg but the D isn't holding up it's end of the bargain either.

 

The whole team is in a funk.

 

Shake it off, figure it out. We'll be fine. 

 

I wasn't on the OBJ train, but have changed my mind. He is needed.

Defense has done its part despite injuries. The issue is Allen. He’s the same inconsistent QB he’s always been.

[Irish Dave]

We can debate the why and how all day.  I don't even care anymore.  All I know is that after 30 years, the Bills werw finally "THAT TEAM" again.  We were this good, this highly regarded back then in the early 90s; I was in my 20s and it was great being "THAT TEAM.  Or one of the top 2 or 3 teams.  And we still are; but not so much now.    Not after today.  The Miami game was being called an anomoly because of the weather.  But the TRUTH is we played  AWFUL against a hungrier Jets group who WANT to be that team.  Nope, we're not really THAT TEAM now. 

 

Guys, we're paper tigers with a big likeable zillionaire QB who makes TV commercials and grows mustaches for photo ops whom the league has chosen to annoint as one of the  new faces.  Fine.  But let's not confuse this - we're NOT that team.  We've beaten up on bad teams.  Good teams know now Just pressure Allen, Fluster him and he'll quickly revert to Sugar High Josh who loses the ball via INTs or fumbles..  And then just run the ball on our D., eat clock and Leslie Frazier will be standing there looking stoic and Dorsely sitting upstairs trying to look calm, but boiling over.    

 

I just can't stomach this - of thinking we're that team..... being TOLD we're that team -.... only to get our asses kicked and realize we're not.  We'll get eaten up by the pack now and be lucky if we get a Wildcard.  Miami AND the Jets beat us.  Win the Division???   Playing like this?   Nope.

 

Edited November 6, 2022 by Irish Dave

[newcam2012]

56 minutes ago, inaugural balls said:

 

 I agree, the offense is not performimg but the D isn't holding up it's end of the bargain either.

 

The whole team is in a funk.

 

Shake it off, figure it out. We'll be fine. 

 

I wasn't on the OBJ train, but have changed my mind. He is needed.

"Shake it off?" Is it that easy to fix? 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

So here is the blueprint.

 

Run the ball down the Bills throat. Challenge their man hood and the Bills won't be able to do anything about it. Control the clock and chew up lots of time. Limit number of Bills possessions. 

 

On defense put your number 1 cornerback on Davis to shut him down.

 

For Diggs, bracket him with a safety and cornerback and roll the coverage to Diggs taking him away.

 

Then force the Bills to beat you with their slot receivers which won't work.

 

Then rush 4 against Allen forcing him to throw short (which he wont).

 

Allen will try to push the ball deep which will lead to incompletions.

 

With no real running game Allen will run the ball himself leading to hard hits. Dorsey will run motor over and over again for little gain.

 

Then wait for Allen to make a mistake throwing it deep.

 

I think that covers it

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, DallasBillsFan1 said:

It's the old Bill Parcells / Giants approach used to beat Buffalo in the Superbowl:  ball control and time of possesion.  Run the ball often and effectively thereby keeping the ball out of Josh's hands.  That and putting A LOT of pressure on JA17.  You saw Green Bay do it last week and now the Jets ... only Wilson had more production than A Rogers.  You also saw that the Buffalo offense was not on the field for long periods of time last week and this week.  

Granted, Bills had an off day, but that makes two weeks in a row.  Josh has regressed since the bye.  Tough to watch that pile of dooty today ... all three phases were sub par.

 

If by blueprint you mean the Bills need to be missing 4 of their best players on defense and then continue to lose more of them to injury at times during the game, then sure.  

 

Geezus...this board never learns.  Freak out after a loss every time.  We lost to the Jags last year and then went on a tear.  

 

Jets defense is legit.  They played a strong game.  Allen and the offense had a slow game.  Josh Allen is still on pace to SHATTER the NFL total yards record and we are still the #1 seed in the AFC.  

 

Give them a chance to adjust and figure out what is going on before we declare they are figured out and the sky is falling.  Somone already started an absurd thread "Fire Everyone".  

 

See you all in a week...this board is going into the toilet this week.  

[MAJBobby]

11 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Probably can't clutch to that too much longer...

Why?  Because it doesn’t fit the narrative you are trying to push. Those are the FACTS correct? 

[newcam2012]

19 minutes ago, Irish Dave said:

We can debate the why and how all day.  I don't even care anymore.  All I know is that after 30 years, the Bills werw finally "THAT TEAM" again.  We were this good, this highly regarded back then in the early 90s; I was in my 20s and it was great being "THAT TEAM.  Or one of the top 2 or 3 teams.  And we still are; but not so much now.    Not after today.  The Miami game was being called an anomoly because of the weather.  But the TRUTH is we played  AWFUL against a hungrier Jets group who WANT to be that team.  Nope, we're not really THAT TEAM now. 

 

Guys, we're paper tigers with a big likeable zillionaire QB who makes TV commercials and grows mustaches for photo ops whom the league has chosen to annoint as one of the  new faces.  Fine.  But let's not confuse this - we're NOT that team.  We've beaten up on bad teams.  Good teams know now Just pressure Allen, Fluster him and he'll quickly revert to Sugar High Josh who loses the ball via INTs or fumbles..  And then just run the ball on our D., eat clock and Leslie Frazier will be standing there looking stoic and Dorsely sitting upstairs trying to look calm, but boiling over.    

 

I just can't stomach this - of thinking we're that team..... being TOLD we're that team -.... only to get our asses kicked and realize we're not.  We'll get eaten up by the pack now and be lucky if we get a Wildcard.  Miami AND the Jets beat us.  Win the Division???   Playing like this?   Nope.

 

This won't be a popular take. I do agree parts of what you said. However, I don't think the picture you painted is entirely accurate. Sounds like you are in panic mode and giving up on the team. I just can't go there. Yes, I am concerned about the team. Who wouldn't be after the way they have recently played? It is a long season and I think the Bills and Allen will get things right. My confidence in hoisting the Lombardi trophy is dwindling. Right now, the Bills have to concentrate on wining their division, making adjustments on many levels. The O and D lines are really concerning. Hopefully, Poyer gets healthy, Tre cones back strong, the coaches perform, and Allen gets back to being elite. 

Edited November 7, 2022 by newcam2012

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

It's not my narrative. Allen has sucked for 6 straight qts all of the sudden. Something is up. Both Jets and Dolphins have a win on them, so one more loss and boom, 3rd place in the div. Tua is not slowing down anytime soon it appears.

And with those 6 QTRs and Tua (seems you want him finally in a game healthy (won’t last) and Boom STILL FIRST PLACE. 
 

 

ooo wait you want to play hypotheticals like it means something. 

[MAJBobby]

5 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

It seems injury is the only thing that can slow Tua down. He is injury prone, so guess we'll see...

Really????  Hmmm ok so much love for a guy that 1. Hasn’t won *****. 2.  Is weaker than glass. 

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

70%, 300yds, 3TD and 0 INT today. Seems like when he's not hurt he's playing well.

And hasn’t won *****. Tell me when he comes up big in a game where playoffs on the line or can actually play 17 games. 
 

you can jump on over their bandwagon still pretty empty. 

[Draconator]

2 hours ago, DallasBillsFan1 said:

It's the old Bill Parcells / Giants approach used to beat Buffalo in the Superbowl:  ball control and time of possesion.  Run the ball often and effectively thereby keeping the ball out of Josh's hands.  That and putting A LOT of pressure on JA17.  You saw Green Bay do it last week and now the Jets ... only Wilson had more production than A Rogers.  You also saw that the Buffalo offense was not on the field for long periods of time last week and this week.  

Granted, Bills had an off day, but that makes two weeks in a row.  Josh has regressed since the bye.  Tough to watch that pile of dooty today ... all three phases were sub par.

Ok Coach....

[stinky finger]

38 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

"Shake it off?" Is it that easy to fix? 

 
I can’t answer that. We’re just in a funk. It’s why teams don’t go undefeated. 
 

On the defensive side, I think Frazier has been stubborn and not willing to adjust to the opposition running at will. 
 

On offense. JA has been lackluster and Davis’ lack of production and inconsistency has been troubling.,

 

OBJ would be a shot in the arm. 
 

No matter what, if JA doesn’t excel, we’re toast. 

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, Amaru523 said:

That strategy works very well when almost half of our starters on D are out, but what happens when we're healthy?

What year will that be? This season our best case is that we'll have at least one 6th round pick as our starting Safety - maybe 2. Every team has injuries - they aren't  a valid excuse. We had a healthy D line - the most expensive int he NFL and a supposedly top MLB. That's more than most teams have.

[Billz4ever]

2 hours ago, DallasBillsFan1 said:

It's the old Bill Parcells / Giants approach used to beat Buffalo in the Superbowl:  ball control and time of possesion.  Run the ball often and effectively thereby keeping the ball out of Josh's hands.  That and putting A LOT of pressure on JA17.  You saw Green Bay do it last week and now the Jets ... only Wilson had more production than A Rogers.  You also saw that the Buffalo offense was not on the field for long periods of time last week and this week.  

Granted, Bills had an off day, but that makes two weeks in a row.  Josh has regressed since the bye.  Tough to watch that pile of dooty today ... all three phases were sub par.

If your Defensive Coordinator is going to keep you in Nickel all the time, I'm going to try and run on you too.  They've gotten away with running Nickel because they're been playing with a lead and many of our opponents have abandoned the run.  

[Big Turk]

There are plenty of easy plays to be made, Allen has reverted to not being patient again.

 

It's like he just can't help himself...he knows what he should be doing...clearly, as the Rams and Titans games showed, but he wants to make a big play so badly he bypasses them for the deeper more risky option.

Edited November 7, 2022 by Big Turk

[Success]

Oh, for the sake of pete.

 

We're beating a better MN team by 3 scores next week.

 

Nothing against the Jets, who I think are solid. But it was just a game.  They won't beat us in Buffalo.  They had the better gameplan today.

 

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, Gene1973 said:

I'm not on any bandwagon. Bills could be looking up at Miami in the middle of the season like they were to the Pats last season. And that scenario really sucks.

Except they are not. See Mia is looking up to the Bills. You “fans” pearl clutching about hypotheticals is funny. 
 

I will worry about the Bills looking up at anyone ONCE anyone passes them in the standings. 
 

ooo and it is the middle of the season. 

Edited November 7, 2022 by MAJBobby

[Success]

I mean, I guess - if the blueprint requires 2 extremely uncharacteristic INT's.

 

[BobbyC81]

4 hours ago, nato7412 said:

A way we have been figured out is that teams are doubling Stefon diggs and putting they’re cb1 on gabe. Gabe hasn’t done well and McKenzie hasn’t preformed consistently enough.

Yep.  I expected Davis to build on his playoff success but he hasn’t.  Some of us wanted Beasley gone for non-football reasons but he’d sure help now.

 

I’ve also been against the idea of OBJ but with the trade deadline passed, he’s about the only option remaining that would help.  We’ll see if Hines can start helping next week.

[nedboy7]

2 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

So here is the blueprint.

 

Run the ball down the Bills throat. Challenge their man hood and the Bills won't be able to do anything about it. Control the clock and chew up lots of time. Limit number of Bills possessions. 

 

On defense put your number 1 cornerback on Davis to shut him down.

 

For Diggs, bracket him with a safety and cornerback and roll the coverage to Diggs taking him away.

 

Then force the Bills to beat you with their slot receivers which won't work.

 

Then rush 4 against Allen forcing him to throw short (which he wont).

 

Allen will try to push the ball deep which will lead to incompletions.

 

With no real running game Allen will run the ball himself leading to hard hits. Dorsey will run motor over and over again for little gain.

 

Then wait for Allen to make a mistake throwing it deep.

 

I think that covers it

 

 

 

Challenge their manhood and they wont do anything?  WTF. 

[BananaB]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

There are plenty of easy plays to be made, Allen has reverted to not being patient again.

 

It's like he just can't help himself...he knows what he should be doing...clearly, as the Rams and Titans games showed, but he wants to make a big play so badly he bypasses them for the deeper more risky option.

Or it’s because no one else besides Diggs is making plays and he knows that ain’t enough and forcing *****. He’s been checking down to our RBs more then he ever has. Third down comes you know he’s looking beyond the chains.  We need more guys making plays, that’s what this comes down to. 

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Or it’s because no one else besides Diggs is making plays and he knows that ain’t enough and forcing *****. He’s been checking down to our RBs more then he ever has. Third down comes you know he’s looking beyond the chains.  We need more guys making plays, that’s what this comes down to. 

 

There are guys open. The personnel just didn't start sucking

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 hours ago, Bangarang said:

This “blueprint” isn’t exclusive to beating us. 

It always makes me laugh lol this isn’t far from saying ‘the blueprint to beating the bills is to score more points’

 

injuries cost us on defense today…can’t afford to lose milano.  We literally couldn’t leave the nickel today because who is the extra linebacker?  
 

still no excuse as the offense was bad news…Davis has to start making some plays teams are leaving him in single coverage and he just isn’t making plays 

Edited November 7, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[ExiledInIllinois]

6 hours ago, Roundybout said:

Yep, end the season, fire McDermott, Beane, etc. Trade Josh for a bag of footballs. Sell the franchise to Billings, Montana. It's all over!!!!

Does this mean we don't get the new stadium?

[somnus00]

6 hours ago, SCBills said:

I don’t know.  You tell me.  Can we get healthy?

 

Issues on this team right now go far beyond injuries. 
 

Allen-Dorsey-WR2 is a massive issue right now and they are all intertwined.

 

Run Defense has been a mid-season problem for years under McD.  Good news is he usually figures it out.   Bad news, mid-season lulls are why we havent yet escape postseason games at Arrowhead. 

I don't understand why it's so controversial to critique the team. Yes, the Bills are a really good team. They're still atop the standings.  But there are serious issues that need correcting. And they've been present for several weeks now.

 

It's possible to point out flaws without being a sky-is-falling type of fan. Our skill positions on offense are missing apart from Allen and Diggs. Is that lack of skill? Dorsey failing?Josh forcing it to Diggs? I fit one was expecting a lap from Knox this season. Especially after that big contract.

 

And don't get me started on the abysmal turnover rate...

[WyoAZBillfan]

Overreaction Sunday? Can’t we wait until Monday? Some of the worst takes the last two weeks, especially for a team with two losses. 

[BananaB]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

There are guys open. The personnel just didn't start sucking

If Allen’s checking down more then usual I’m guessing they ain’t as open as you believe. On top of that Gabes catching under 50% of the balls thrown to him.  McKenzie is not filling Beasleys roll very well either, that’s why he’s not getting the targets. 
It’s the first year the two of them are starters and both are struggling. It’s been overlooked because we were winning.  

[SinceThe70s]

4 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

It seems injury is the only thing that can slow Tua down. He is injury prone, so guess we'll see...

 

Tua would be awesome if not for injury in this thread. You brought up Mahomes in a comment comparing Josh Allen to Tua, Zach Wilson and Mac Jones in another.  I don't think you're a Bills fan. Whether you are or not, have a nice day!

[newcam2012]

4 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

And hasn’t won *****. Tell me when he comes up big in a game where playoffs on the line or can actually play 17 games. 
 

you can jump on over their bandwagon still pretty empty. 

I'm not jumping in the bandwagon. However, you have to give the guy his dues. He is playing lights out. 

[TheWeatherMan]

7 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

And all that and STILL

 

6-2

 

tops in the AFCE

Tops in the AFC. 

0-2 in the division with 4 remaining.  Not a good look.  

[newcam2012]

34 minutes ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

Overreaction Sunday? Can’t we wait until Monday? Some of the worst takes the last two weeks, especially for a team with two losses. 

Let me ask you this. Are you concerned at all about the way the Bills are playing?

 

Comments on the Bills run D? 

 

Comments on the Bills Oline? 

 

Bills run game?

 

Allen's play and turnovers?

 

Lack of others on offense besides Diggs?

 

Coaching game plan and game time adjustments?

 

Bills 0-2 in the division? 

 

Bills injury concerns?

 

Let's hear your opinion instead of a generalized bashing of people overreacting. 

42 minutes ago, somnus00 said:

I don't understand why it's so controversial to critique the team. Yes, the Bills are a really good team. They're still atop the standings.  But there are serious issues that need correcting. And they've been present for several weeks now.

 

It's possible to point out flaws without being a sky-is-falling type of fan. Our skill positions on offense are missing apart from Allen and Diggs. Is that lack of skill? Dorsey failing?Josh forcing it to Diggs? I fit one was expecting a lap from Knox this season. Especially after that big contract.

 

And don't get me started on the abysmal turnover rate...

For the most part it's not ok to critique the team. It's seen as a big turn off and you will be up against great resistance. Negative critiques will vastly be responded with negative sentiments here. It's the way it goes here. Trust me I know from experience.