The blueprint is in, Buffalo has been figured out

[whorlnut]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

You will just have to accept ketchup boi and like it. 

What?

[NORWOODS FOOT]

I want to see how this team really responds.

 

But so far we have lost every division game we have played.

 

UnBILLievable....

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, whorlnut said:

What?

Settling for Hines. That’s our offensive toy, we just have to enjoy it lol 

[Big Turk]

I'm guessing the issue is Josh is pressing the last 2 second halves as he isn't getting many possessions. Seems like the first halves he has played well mostly(minus the boneheaded INT after the long play to Diggs to start the game)...

 

Back to trying to score TDs on every play instead of letting the game develop more and taking the easy throws.

[CoudyBills]

20 minutes ago, purple haze said:

It only “works” if 17 gives the ball away.  Keep giving away points other teams can hang around. 

Agreed, but protecting the ball has never been a Josh trait.  

[nedboy7]

Josh played pretty bad.  Defense is banged up.  Need a little more creativity from Dorsey. 

Let's all relax.

[1onemangang7]

23 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

We can't run and other teams can run on us. Sound familiar. 

And if they could run besides Allen you wouldn't see those mistakes. How anyone can blame the qb idk. He lhas the offense on his back.  It's how they have 6 wins. 3 third down backs in play today and sometimes 2 in the game at the sane time does him no favors.  Need to concede you lost drafting cook. Now that you're stuck I think you'll see Hines and Singletary rotate and get carries to keep defenses honest.  Josh is taking too many hits but when you need a yard there's no alternative. Just a little time for Hines to get the language and basically you have 2 Singletarys

Edited November 6, 2022 by gridirongold

[whorlnut]

10 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Settling for Hines. That’s our offensive toy, we just have to enjoy it lol 

And I’m ok with Hines. But you have to play him to get something out of him. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Same thread came out the last two years.

Every season we’ve hit a midseason slump for about 3 games.  Then we finish strong.

[RiotAct]

32 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

Cancel the season and move to Toronto 

it’s the only logical move at this point, really.

[Shortchaz]

All the lessons the bills needed to win this game should’ve been learned in the Miami game. 

[Big Turk]

19 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

If the blueprint is pressure JA & hope he forces the issue anyway, then sure...

 

But hopefully he can get back to basics & settle on taking what the defense gives him again. Check downs, screens, slants, etc. just things that help keep the ball moving while helping him get in rhythm. 

 

He also needs to stop with the casual throws in bounds when he should be throwing the ball away. 

 

He's had what, 3x 2 INT games? Even had a couple fumbles now too. It wasn't great before, but at least we managed to win in spite of them. Now they're really concerning 😟 

 

We needed Allen to simply play the Rams game today and he wanted to play the Steelers game.

[WyoAZBillfan]

Nothings changed. This is the Bills blue print also…pressure the QB (we spent for Von), and score points/run the clock!! Old school football run it, pass it, score and move. 

[cgg716]

Just came to say this post makes no sense 

[Big Turk]

18 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Josh played pretty bad.  Defense is banged up.  Need a little more creativity from Dorsey. 

Let's all relax.

 

All that and we still lost only by 3 late.

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

All that and we still lost only by 3 late.

 

Well we were playing the Jets.

[Buffalo03]

Every season under McDermott we get into a mid season funk for some reason and then we get back on track again

[Ethan in Cleveland]

This loss was 100% on Josh. He is great but today he was terrible. End of story. 

[nedboy7]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

And then lose…

Yeah that’s what happens to the 31 teams that don’t win the SB. Very good observation. 

[BillsShredder83]

33 minutes ago, nato7412 said:

A way we have been figured out is that teams are doubling Stefon diggs and putting they’re cb1 on gabe. Gabe hasn’t done well and McKenzie hasn’t preformed consistently enough.

The good news is this should leave a very favorable match-up for slot, te, and rbs to get open.

 

I'm almost glad today happened for that reason. We need to stop being so damn 1-D. This OL is playing like trash, let's hope we can get healthy and Kromer can get guys playing to their abilities. Relying on 10 rec, 130yds and a td from Diggs is not sustainable way to win.

 

Also... damn do we miss 2020 Cole. McK has been at his ceiling for 2 years, I don't know what's taking so long but we desperately need to start breaking Shakir in. McK touchdowns are great but he's only done that in RZ. 

 

Shakir between the 20s and McK in redzone seems like a no brainer of a start.

[finn]

I've been saying that the Bills have only two blue-chip players on offense: Allen and Diggs. If one of them plays poorly, especially Allen, the offense sinks. They need at least one more elite player. The narrative is that the Bills are "stacked" on offense, but that's just not true. Knox, Singletary, and Davis are good but not great, and who else is there? MacKenzie? Kumerow? On the other hand, the defense IS stacked, and I still maintain they did ok today, if only because they held the Jets to 20 points, despite Allen turning the ball over twice. The team can still go all the way, but if they do, it will because Allen is a superstar and the defense (and coaching, imho) is excellent, not because it's anything more than an adequate offense apart from Allen. 

[Joe Ferguson]

Could you imagine if this was a playoff game? The sports world will be laughing at the Bills.

[Nuncha]

Figured out?  Hardly.  We were simply outcoached and outplayed today.  The Jets put their players in better position to win the game.  That coupled with a defense that is suddenly missing way too many tackles and a QB that is throwing complete garbage interceptions.  

Edited November 6, 2022 by Azucho98

[BillsShredder83]

39 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Offence was horrible, it’s not relative to the post in terms of the TOP and bill parcels reference to this thread.

 

 But when the defence is constantly getting gashed for 7-8 minute drives and they let up a game winning 90 yard drive that chews off 7 minutes while burning 3 time outs, they deserve a lot of blame.

You gotta try the Blitz. Worst case scenario I'd rather get gashed for 7 on 3min drive then 8mins. Force more possessions for both teams and eventually a mistake will come

 

Nothing to lose there.

Put the pressure on and atleast turn it into a shootout. We're not built on either side of the ball for a TOP war

Edited November 6, 2022 by BillsShredder83

[Chaos]

We learned what we already knew. Josh is the entire Bills team, offense and defense.  We have invested more salary cap and draft picks on defense than any other NFL team.  And we have used that investment to build a defense that works great when Allen puts incredible pressure on the other team, giving them the impression we will score on every drive.  This makes the other teams play one-dimensionally and makes it easy on the offense.   

Because of the investment on defense in the salary cap, we don't have the types of weapons on offense that KC or the Dophins have. If Allen falters, no one is on offense to pick up the slack. 

Because the defense can only be great when defending a big lead, if Allen falters, the defense cannot reliablly control the game.  Today's game ending drive was just the long drawn out painful version of 13 seconds.  
 

[BBills_88]

We going take a week or 2 off in Nov. 

 

Then in Dec we are going to catch fire. 

 

Jan - Feb we are going to go infernal & win the Superbowl with ease.

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

You gotta try the Blitz. Worst case scenario I'd rather get gashed for 7 on 3min drive then 8mins. Force more possessions for both teams and eventually a mistake will come

 

Nothing to lose there.

Put the pressure on and atleast turn it into a shootout. We're not built on either side of the ball for a TOP war

Ya This is exactly what I’m trying to say.

 

Frazier is a good DC, but he’s not right for this team.

 

When you have an elite QB, (yes he had a bad game) who cares if you give up the odd long TD.

You are literally playing right into what the other team wants to do, by controlling clock and keeping Josh on the sidelines 

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

1 hour ago, DallasBillsFan1 said:

It's the old Bill Parcells / Giants approach used to beat Buffalo in the Superbowl:  ball control and time of possesion.  Run the ball often and effectively thereby keeping the ball out of Josh's hands.  That and putting A LOT of pressure on JA17.  You saw Green Bay do it last week and now the Jets ... only Wilson had more production than A Rogers.  You also saw that the Buffalo offense was not on the field for long periods of time last week and this week.  

Granted, Bills had an off day, but that makes two weeks in a row.  Josh has regressed since the bye.  Tough to watch that pile of dooty today ... all three phases were sub par.

A pile of Dooty?  The game plan is to let Allen throw picks.

[Meatloaf63]

1 hour ago, DallasBillsFan1 said:

It's the old Bill Parcells / Giants approach used to beat Buffalo in the Superbowl:  ball control and time of possesion.  Run the ball often and effectively thereby keeping the ball out of Josh's hands.  That and putting A LOT of pressure on JA17.  You saw Green Bay do it last week and now the Jets ... only Wilson had more production than A Rogers.  You also saw that the Buffalo offense was not on the field for long periods of time last week and this week.  

Granted, Bills had an off day, but that makes two weeks in a row.  Josh has regressed since the bye.  Tough to watch that pile of dooty today ... all three phases were sub par.

Wilson didn’t even throw for 160 yards. Joshes bad day allowed them to be able to keep the running game as a factor. Our DC better learn how to handle it though, cause this isn’t going away.

[Process]

There's no blueprint... Josh plays like dog **** and we lose. 

 

He'll get better.

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

And all that and STILL

 

6-2

 

tops in the AFCE

Tops in the AFC. 

0-2 in AFC East.

[mjd1001]

1 hour ago, DallasBillsFan1 said:

It's the old Bill Parcells / Giants approach used to beat Buffalo in the Superbowl:  ball control and time of possesion.  Run the ball often and effectively thereby keeping the ball out of Josh's hands.  That and putting A LOT of pressure on JA17.  You saw Green Bay do it last week and now the Jets ... only Wilson had more production than A Rogers.  You also saw that the Buffalo offense was not on the field for long periods of time last week and this week.  

Granted, Bills had an off day, but that makes two weeks in a row.  Josh has regressed since the bye.  Tough to watch that pile of dooty today ... all three phases were sub par.

Keeping the ball out of someone's hands is the most overrated expression ot there.  What it does is limit to the total possessons that team has, doesn't make them any worse...but it also limits YOUR possessions by 'shortening' the game. When you play a star/superstar offense, 'keeping the ball' out of their hands should not be your strategy....instead doing what you do the best to score should be.  Giving the bills less possesions isn't doing much for you if you don't score yourself.  The bills lost not becuase you kept Josh on the sidelines for a few minutes more....the bills lost because when they did have the ball they didn't execute. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

44 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

We can't run and other teams can run on us. Sound familiar. 

qb1 mustache…. It’s a problem 

[Meatloaf63]

49 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

It’s bad. It just pisses me off that we have a qb like Allen and then give him Diggs but beyond that give him JAGs. Meanwhile…the d gets every resource thrown at it. 

And then they crap the bed. 

[mjd1001]

1 hour ago, DallasBillsFan1 said:

It's the old Bill Parcells / Giants approach used to beat Buffalo in the Superbowl:  ball control and time of possesion.  Run the ball often and effectively thereby keeping the ball out of Josh's hands.  That and putting A LOT of pressure on JA17.  You saw Green Bay do it last week and now the Jets ... only Wilson had more production than A Rogers.  You also saw that the Buffalo offense was not on the field for long periods of time last week and this week.  

Granted, Bills had an off day, but that makes two weeks in a row.  Josh has regressed since the bye.  Tough to watch that pile of dooty today ... all three phases were sub par.

Oh, and by the way, he has been 'figured out' by putting a LOT of pressure on him and giving him less chances to score? Great thing no one else was smart enough to figure that out, apparently that blueprint was never tried before.  Geez.  Having the Jets ACCOMPLISH that doesn't mean they are the first team to 'figure out the blueprint'.

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

0-2 in AFC East.

Meaning what?  Ooo nothing. Got it. 

[whorlnut]

1 minute ago, Meatloaf63 said:

And then they crap the bed. 

Exactly. McD will whine to Beane that he needs another piece on defense and he’ll get it in the first round. Rinse. Repeat. 

[OldTimer1960]

11 minutes ago, Azucho98 said:

Figured out?  Hardly.  We were simply outcoached and outplayed today.  The Jets put their players in better position to win the game.  That coupled with a defense that is suddenly missing way too many tackles and a QB that is throwing complete garbage interceptions.  

They miss Poyer and Hyde, particularly in run D.  They were also missing Milano which was big.  The offense was the problem today.  As another poster said, it is Allen and Diggs with a little support from Singletary.  Davis had a big week or two after his injury, but nothing since and I root for McKenzie, but he is only a decent backup.

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Meaning what?  Ooo nothing. Got it. 

What is their lead in the division?  

[stinky finger]

53 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Defense? They scored 17 points on offense. How does anyone blame the defense?

 

 I agree, the offense is not performimg but the D isn't holding up it's end of the bargain either.

 

The whole team is in a funk.

 

Shake it off, figure it out. We'll be fine. 

 

I wasn't on the OBJ train, but have changed my mind. He is needed.

[BillsFan130]

7 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Keeping the ball out of someone's hands is the most overrated expression ot there.  What it does is limit to the total possessons that team has, doesn't make them any worse...but it also limits YOUR possessions by 'shortening' the game. When you play a star/superstar offense, 'keeping the ball' out of their hands should not be your strategy....instead doing what you do the best to score should be.  Giving the bills less possesions isn't doing much for you if you don't score yourself.  The bills lost not becuase you kept Josh on the sidelines for a few minutes more....the bills lost because when they did have the ball they didn't execute. 

I mean, yes you’re right in terms of the scoring.

 

But when you limit Josh’s possessions , that’s a huge win for the Jets.

 

They can’t win a shootout with the bills and they knew it.

 

I think they had three, 8 minute drives. That was a huge factor in the game