GunnerBill Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, chef4131 said: Edmunds? He was terrible. No he wasn't. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenDaBomb Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Knox is way too underutilized for how much we're paying him. 2 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 25 minutes ago, PolishPrince said: Gabe Davis. Dude is boom or bust. Dropped third down pass on comebacker early... last ball I get is tough with defender contact, but it hit his numbers Not to mention that last throw hit him in the chest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 24 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said: Saw a comment in the game day thread about face guarding the final play, that hasn't been a rule for 20 years. penalty or not the DB was waving feverishly to his mom in the stands i guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trey R Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 25 minutes ago, VaMilBill said: Yeah. I think this game seals it for me that Mahomes is the better player at this point. Josh just couldn’t do anything. Mahomes lost to the Colts. Let’s not overreact here. Josh played HORRIBLE. But no one is perfect and every great player will have a clunker from time to time. Get back home, stop listening to pundits sing your praises, study some film, and go get the W next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 26 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: Agree on all but coaches. We tried a lot, but can only do so much missing 3 All Pro secondary players + our best LB. Not to mention Groot going down with an ankle. Jaquan Johnson needs benched, plain and simple. Had this conversation with @GunnerBill at beginning of year, that Hamlin was the much better safety and JJ lacks too much athletically. Agree with you on the coaches. The offense put the defense in bad spots with turnovers and we held them to 20 points. As to the bold: Edmunds played today. 😉 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 23 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: The organization and fans have overrated him. until he starts catching 4-5 normal balls a week, I have concerns. the deep balls are great but your number 2 guy has to help move the chains at least once in awhile. at 210 lbs, 4.55 forty I am concerned about how long he can live on blowing the top off the defense instead of winning contested slants, crossers, etc… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 36 minutes ago, PolishPrince said: Gabe Davis. Dude is boom or bust. Dropped third down pass on comebacker early... last ball I get is tough with defender contact, but it hit his numbers Gabe has been very disappointing since the Steelers game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Just now, ScottLaw said: He’s all or nothing. Hated their approach to the WR position this off-season. And unlike a small speedy guy, the “all” is the opposite of his physical gifts. It’s a strange dynamic that he’s a big, physical hands catcher. The “all” should be the exception, not the rule, for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 50 minutes ago, VaMilBill said: Bass: missing a field goal. Yes it’s 55 yards, but a lot of kickers can make that…including him. In a 3 point loss, that missed FG means a lot. Josh: two horrible, horrible picks that would even make Justin Fields blush. Josh couldn’t make any throws and even ones where he connected, he was off target preventing YAC. Notably is the first pass of the game to Diggs, if that is accurate, that’s a TD. Same with the overthrow of Hines and Diggs later in the game. Just a terrible performance by him. This game should be the dagger in his MVP hopes. Hopefully he’s not hurt otherwise our season is sunk. Jaquan Johnson: he was absolutely brutal today. Just like giving up the bomb on 3rd and 15 that would be the go ahead touchdown against Miami, he cost us this game. He had numerous missed tackles, poor instincts, bad angles, weak in coverage. The last drive alone the kept running to the weak side right at him and he couldn’t stop squat. I honestly don’t see how they can start him from now on with dean Marlowe now here. Anytime JJ is on the field, we can’t stop anything. Coaches: bad game plan. Seems like we didn’t have any game plan on offense at all. They just want Josh to go out and make a play which is terrible. Frazier couldn’t do anything on defense to stop the run for two weeks in a row. D played well enough to win. 17 gotta stop giving the ball away. 24 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: No he wasn't. You can’t reason with them. 14 minutes ago, NoSaint said: until he starts catching 4-5 normal balls a week, I have concerns. the deep balls are great but your number 2 guy has to help move the chains at least once in awhile. at 210 lbs, 4.55 forty I am concerned about how long he can live on blowing the top off the defense instead of winning contested slants, crossers, etc… He can’t catch a cold lately. I hope he gets it together because if not he might need to have a seat. And where in the world is Knox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 I was just thinking about Knox and realized that last year we had all these big plays where Knox or digs or Davis was running towards the sideline and making huge toe tapping plays. I don't remember seeing that at all this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Josh gets a pass from me because I remember how bad our qbs were for 20 years. Gabe Davis failed to show up and Tyler Bass with the 55 miss and the KO outta bounds. The latter being inexcusable. OL was crap today too. Why didn’t we use Cook more? He was effective! Elam seemed like he had a rough one too. Pretty sure we used this as a get healthy week…the irony being Josh getting hurt with little to no time left 🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Allen wasn’t prepared, which in turn points to Dorsey. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 hour ago, PolishPrince said: Gabe Davis. Dude is boom or bust. Dropped third down pass on comebacker early... last ball I get is tough with defender contact, but it hit his numbers At this point, I'm hoping that the Bills do not shell out big $$ for Davis. His hands are erratic, and he disappears far too often. Also, Jaquan Johnson was REALLY bad...again. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Lost said: Gabe Davis was most effectife before teams started respecting him. He struggles to get separation vs. Elite corners. That and the drops So besides struggling to get separation and dropping the ball he is a great WR! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, hemma said: Allen wasn’t prepared, which in turn points to Dorsey. How do you know he wasn't prepared? How could you know? You can comment on what happened on the field today, but that may or may not have had anything to do with preparation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 hour ago, par73 said: Allen and the OL. Defense (especially vs the run). That's Frazier. The Jets are ripping off 8 yards at a time on the run, and have basically one guy that can get open, what is his answer? A six man box and cover 2. He set up a defense that the Jets adjusted to until they were successful and kept right on with it until he secured the big L. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 hour ago, ToGoGo said: Anybody see the holding on Dawkins at the end? That better have been legitimate penalty. That ended our game. It was a garbage call 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Virgil said: How am I the first to say it? Edmunds!!! I actually liked Edmunds game today. It's not his fault he's the only linebacker on the field today (43 is the size of a safety) 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 (edited) This is now 6vstraight quarters of terrible offense It's getting concerning 2nd straight gm where Allen had 2 ints with a red zone pick 🤮 Edited November 6, 2022 by JerseyBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: It was a garbage call You can't be that incestuous with Vegas and the gambling houses and have calls like that made that literally decide the game one way or another. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: How do you know he wasn't prepared? How could you know? You can comment on what happened on the field today, but that may or may not have had anything to do with preparation. He’s either injured or wasn’t prepared. Are you aware of that 99% of what is written are opinions? Are you afraid that my 1 post is suddenly going to change the Bills world and create an enormous groundswell of hate? Take a break from the action and lower your bp, but don’t bother to lecture me. Very counterproductive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Von Miller was a turd on most run plays aside from the TFL. He rushes the passer on every play, even on obvious run downs. Teams are starting to run at him & he takes himself out of the play far too often. It seems every week he gets a big TFL by running down the RB from behind, that's because he's rushing the passer & in the backfield to do that. When they run to his side, he's rarely in the play. His splash plays have been huge, but we need him to affect more of the other 90% of plays as well. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Watkins90 said: I know we are all upset, but this is a really bad take. Unless someone saw somewhere that Allen has been filming these commercials in season, it likely took place in the offseason. Allen needs to get back to basics. He needs to work on his footwork. It's like he is forgetting everything he has worked so hard to correct. Dorsey needs to adjust his play calling. I felt like we continued to push the ball down the field with long developing routes when they were clearly taking that away. Underneath, underneath, underneath. Take what the defense gives you. Unsure if it’s a real concern or reflex after 6 terrible quarters but Josh did say that this is the first time he didn’t do anything in this offseason and just let his body rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: You can't be that incestuous with Vegas and the gambling houses and have calls like that made that literally decide the game one way or another. I was having this thought the other day. As time goes on, the NFL needs to make game integrity their #1 priority. They have always been wishy washy over the decades with refs and penalties and reviews and etc. They have had a very authoritative stance for a long time. "Yes, it was the correct call. End of conversation." "We stand by the ref's decision." "The play is not reviewable!" But now being OFFICIALLY in bed with Vegas, the fans will start tuning out. For example, that hold... In a game with so few penalties... There's just too much murkiness and shadiness. And those calls to "New York". Those refs dressed in black during the Texans game. I mean, this isn't the military, right? Why so much compartmentalization of information? Why not make everything open-source? They're building autonomous cars and drones and robots for crying out loud. All sports AI needs is funding. My thoughts about the next 10-20 years: 1. Invest billions into AI that tracks the ball and field to a minute level. No more question about 1st downs, balls crossing the goal line, etc. 2. Add sensors to all players. No more question about who was in bounds or not, who was Offside first, etc. 3. Build pressure sensor technology and adjust to agreed upon levels. Everyone will know when it was holding or pass interference. 4. Make all of this data OPEN-SOURCE to the public so there is 100% transparency. All yearly rule changes will be added to the AI and given out to all teams and players to practice in the off-season. Give this to varsity and college leagues so the players can also learn to adapt. 5. There will be no more inconsistent calls or poor human judgement or "oh, I didn't see that". It will also end flopping. 6. Over time penalties will DECREASE since all players will have their muscle memory tuned into exactly what a penalty is or isn't. The AI will always be adjusted with some give so there isn't constant penalties. 7. This would be the end of poor calls. Since the data from every game will be released immediately (think of how All-22 is released now), Youtubers and 3rd parties could check every play and confirm that the AI was running correctly with the correct measurements. The only thing we would need refs for is breaking up fights and calling unsportsmanlike penalties. No more allegations of game fixing, no more "incompetent refs", no more "stop whining you loser fans". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 My vote is McKenzie. Get him off of the field. He offers nothing and I think Shakir is a better option on 3rd down. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: That’s the problem when you play like garbage most of the game… you let the humanized refs get in the way. The Bills just weren’t good enough for me to care about a holding call. Allen sucked. The run D sucked. Fix those and none of the calls matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 The practice habits. There is no way they’re practicing well during the week with all of the botched execution and missed tackles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 If Josh wasn’t terrible, we’d have won handedly. He sucked. So we lost. Pretty simple to me 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: No he wasn't. He's terrible week in and week out. No football instincts. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 hour ago, GolfandBills said: Allen’s two picks cost them the game. Both picks inexcusable Both picks were miscommunication. Well the first one wasn't so much a miscommunication more so than Knox not understanding what to do, he needs to get horizontal on the scramble not vertical, scramble drill 101 for a shadow receiver there, but that's meathead Knox for you. The 2nd pick a massive miscommunication Allen and the DB were on the same page, Davis was not. Only thing working was Allen running it himself. Yet again mid-year fall off, it's coaching. It's inexcusable. Fix it now. Can't lose another division game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Just now, ArtVandalay said: Both picks were miscommunication. Well the first one wasn't so much a miscommunication more so than Knox not understanding what to do, he needs to get horizontal on the scramble not vertical, scramble drill 101 for a shadow receiver there, but that's meathead Knox for you. The 2nd pick a massive miscommunication Allen and the DB were on the same page, Davis was not. Only thing working was Allen running it himself. Yet again mid-year fall off, it's coaching. It's inexcusable. Fix it now. Can't lose another division game. That first pick was not miscommunication lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: No he wasn't. He's terrible week in and week out. No football instincts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Just now, GolfandBills said: That first pick was not miscommunication lol Like i said, not so much miscommunication but Knox not understanding what he's supposed to do. He got vertical instead of horizontal. Just fundamentally bad play by a guy that lacks receiver ability. 1 hour ago, AllenDaBomb said: Knox is way too underutilized for how much we're paying him. Hard to involve the guy more when he still screws up fundamental plays as a receiver. There's been zero growth this year and it is terrifying considering the deal he signed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Virgil said: How am I the first to say it? Edmunds!!! This deserves its own thread 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, RiotAct said: Allen Secondary Coaching staff for not challenging the call on the field for the clear interception by Tremaine. I talked to my brother after the game about that Edmunds play. I thought, from the endzone angle, he had clear possession of the ball when he came down to the turf. My brother felt it was too close to overturn. My argument is that could be a game changing play. It’s worth the timeout. I think there’s a reason the Jets hurried and snapped the ball. That play definitely should have been challenged by the Bills sideline. Regardless of the outcome that would have been the right move. Edited November 6, 2022 by Beast 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Beast said: I talked to my brother after the game about that Edmunds play. I thought, from the endzone angle, he had clear possession of the ball when he came down to the turf. My brother felt it was too close to overturn. my argument is that could be a game changing play. It’s worth the timeout. I think there’s a reason the Jets hurried and snapped the ball. That play definitely should have been challenged by the Bills sideline. Regardless of the outcome that would have been the right move. Edmunds clearly had the ball. #87 did not have control of that ball going to the ground. Edited November 6, 2022 by GolfandBills 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Sean McDermott. Very low win percentage in close games. Too robotic again today. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Only one dud - Josh. Don’t throw simple picks, take what the defense gave him, and we would have won. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Just now, Beast said: I talked to my brother after the game about that Edmunds play. I thought, from the endzone angle, he had clear possession of the ball when he came down to the turf. My brother felt it was too close to overturn. my argument is that could be a game changing play. It’s worth the timeout. I think there’s a reason the Jets hurried and snapped the ball. That play definitely should have been challenged by the Bills sideline. Regardless of the outcome that would have been the right move. McDermott is one of the worst head coaches in NFL with challenges. In 6 years he's challenged 24 and won only 6. As of a couple years ago only 2 coaches in NFL history were worse than him, Labeau and Reeves. That was clearly an INT of you go back and watch, plenty there to overturn. Commentators just covering for refs as usual since there was no challenge. There was a clear angle with possession. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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