Bills trade for Nyheim Hines

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

Don't get me wrong, I like both of their skill sets. But neither of them are going to grind out yards between the tackles-- something which Singletary has become very good at. 

 

He is incredibly quick and shifty. He might not outrace you for 60 yards, but he can make guys miss in the hole. The guys who can do both are rare and special. 

[MPT]

Just now, K-9 said:

And Singletary will never be a receiving matchup problem for defenses, something Hines is very good at. So it’s a complimentary relationship.

 

I agree with that. I was disagreeing with all the posters who were saying that the Hines trade means that Singletary will be gone next year and Cook/Hines will be our RB tandem. 

[ColoradoBills]

10 minutes ago, Momma Pecoraro said:

Never heard of him. 

 

Hines ripped off a couple 30 yard runs against the Bills in the 2020 playoff game with the Colts.

He had 6 rushes for 75 yards.

[No_Matter_What]

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

ha ha ha ha ha ha someone still thinks the cap is "real"

Well apparently Chiefs also do, otherwise Hill would be still on the team.

 

Also, if the cap is not "real", why exactly wasn't Poyer extended already?

 

I do know that cap can be manipulated to a certain extent but it is still more than real in terms of limiting teams to do whatever they want.

[n8dg14]

5 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

Don't get me wrong, I like both of their skill sets. But neither of them are going to grind out yards between the tackles-- something which Singletary has become very good at. 

Just my opinion, but I think they’ll find one easily in free agency next year once Motor leaves.  I also think improving that area has more to do with the line than the back to be completely honest.  
 

Besides, losing Moss this year means nothing as he contributed little.  I don’t remember a short yardage first down situation he proved to be an asset for.  You can stick any of the current three backs we have back there right now and they improve our chances, statistically.  

 

This is a win across the board unless anyone is upset about losing the conditional pick.  Nothing else at all to be critical about from what I can see. 

[MPT]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

He is incredibly quick and shifty. He might not outrace you for 60 yards, but he can make guys miss in the hole. The guys who can do both are rare and special. 

 

Again, I don't disagree with that. He'll break some nice runs a couple times a game and, more importantly, he'll be a mismatch in the short passing game. But he won't carry the ball 150+ times a year for 4.5 yards per carry like Singletary does.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, MPT said:

 

Again, I don't disagree with that. He'll break some nice runs a couple times a game and, more importantly, he'll be a mismatch in the short passing game. But he won't carry the ball 150+ times a year for 4.5 yards per carry like Singletary does.

 

I’m sorry, my bad. I was referring to Singletary. Oops! 

[ScorpionZero]

He's got three weeks to show he's better than what we have, its better to say"compliments" what we already have. Is rather Cook get the extra work.

[RyanC883]

3 hours ago, Motor26 said:

He’s a great receiving back. Don’t hate it, but not sure what they do with Cook now.

 

agree, seems redundant and does not solve Motor leaving next year.  I would have been fine for paying for qb/wr/rb Christian McCaffrey.   

[Solomon Grundy]

6 minutes ago, n8dg14 said:

Just my opinion, but I think they’ll find one easily in free agency next year once Motor leaves.  I also think improving that area has more to do with the line than the back to be completely honest.  
 

Besides, losing Moss this year means nothing as he contributed little.  I don’t remember a short yardage first down situation he proved to be an asset for.  You can stick any of the current three backs we have back there right now and they improve our chances, statistically.  

 

This is a win across the board unless anyone is upset about losing the conditional pick.  Nothing else at all to be critical about from what I can see. 

Josh Jacobs

[MPT]

2 minutes ago, n8dg14 said:

Just my opinion, but I think they’ll find one easily in free agency next year once Motor leaves.  I also think improving that area has more to do with the line than the back to be completely honest.  
 

Besides, losing Moss this year means nothing as he contributed little.  I don’t remember a short yardage first down situation he proved to be an asset for.  You can stick any of the current three backs we have back there right now and they improve our chances, statistically.  

 

This is a win across the board unless anyone is upset about losing the conditional pick.  Nothing else at all to be critical about from what I can see. 

 

Agree that the line is more important, but every team in the league is fighting over too few quality offensive linemen. Singletary has proven he can be productive with a revolving offensive line. I hope you're right that they'll find a replacement, but I like the consistency Singletary has shown and I think any replacement in FA will cost just as much and carries a lot more unknown.

[RyanC883]

11 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Hines ripped off a couple 30 yard runs against the Bills in the 2020 playoff game with the Colts.

He had 6 rushes for 75 yards.

 

our run D that year, was yikes.  

[K-9]

10 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

I agree with that. I was disagreeing with all the posters who were saying that the Hines trade means that Singletary will be gone next year and Cook/Hines will be our RB tandem. 

I see no reason why Singletary has to be let go, either. But it’s not gonna be up to us as he’s an UFA after the season. If he asks for the moon, I can see Beane being reluctant to meet his demands.

[LABILLBACKER]

14 minutes ago, K-9 said:

And Singletary will never be a receiving matchup problem for defenses, something Hines is very good at. So it’s a complimentary relationship.

Let's not kid ourselves. Our OL isn't going to suddenly learn how to run block. If I have a faster, more reliable rb to throw checkdowns to, sign me up. We have to incorporate more RB throws as part of our "run game".

[RyanC883]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

I see no reason why Singletary has to be let go, either. But it’s not gonna be up to us as he’s an UFA after the season. If he asks for the moon, I can see Beane being reluctant to meet his demands.

 

just hard with the cap.  some team will overpay, and we need OL big time and Gabe extension soon.  Plus a safety perhaps. 

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Let's not kid ourselves. Our OL isn't going to suddenly learn how to run block. If I have a faster, more reliable rb to throw checkdowns to, sign me up. We have to incorporate more RB throws as part of our "run game".

 

this is a good way to look at it.  we now have 3 legit catching backs.  wonder if we see 2 rb sets.  

[No_Matter_What]

3 hours ago, eball said:

Great trade!  Moss is gone -- a player who simply doesn't fit this offense.  In comes another weapon out of the backfield, and a legitimate threat as a PR as well.

 

We all knew this was going to be Motor's last year in Buffalo.  He can exit with a ring, and Hines/Cook will carry the torch just fine.

 

I am confused by this take (not only by you, but many others).

 

Hines' cap hits next two years are $4.8m and $5.5m, and unless I am missing something he can be cut for free. At the same time, I'd be really surprised if Singletary gets better deal from any team. I am pretty sure we can keep Devin for $10.3m cap hit in the first two years pf his future contract.

 

So why exactly are you so sure that we will keep a RB who has not take a single snap as Bills RB over Singletary who we drafted and our QB clearly loves him?

[fergie's ire]

He can return kicks, line up in the slot, has the speed and elusiveness to run gadget plays....  Seems like he has a lot of the same skill set as McKenzie.  Makes me wonder if there is a wide receiver out there on the street we could sign, maybe someone who has been injured, it would allow us to cut him to make room.  Sometimes feel as if coaches have lost faith in McKenzie and could move on.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

If we actually saw creativity from NFL Coordinators that would be one thing.

 

A true rotation of Singletary, Hines, Cook, two in the backfield, RBs motioning wide, direct snaps, etc.

 

But we never see that in real life. The Browns can’t figure out how to put Chubb and Hunt in the backfield at the same time, Walker was a backup in Seattle until Penny got hurt, the Bills didn’t use Spiller for 2 years until Fred got hurt.

 

NFL Coordinators pick one guy, and everyone else just subs in for breather touches. 

 

I think Cook gets phased out immediately and I have no idea why.

 

Nothing in Hines game-logs or overall stats screams anything more than average NFL scatback.

 

Maybe he ran a 4.38, but that was 4.5 years and a bad concussion ago. 

 

 

[Demongyz]

From what I have seen from people who know more than I ever will, it looks like this could be a very exciting trade.  So, I'm happy to watch it play out.

 

Go Bills!

[RyanC883]

4 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

He can return kicks, line up in the slot, has the speed and elusiveness to run gadget plays....  Seems like he has a lot of the same skill set as McKenzie.  Makes me wonder if there is a wide receiver out there on the street we could sign, maybe someone who has been injured, it would allow us to cut him to make room.  Sometimes feel as if coaches have lost faith in McKenzie and could move on.

 

I’m not aware of such a WR??   Is there one?? 😜

[n8dg14]

5 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

Agree that the line is more important, but every team in the league is fighting over too few quality offensive linemen. Singletary has proven he can be productive with a revolving offensive line. I hope you're right that they'll find a replacement, but I like the consistency Singletary has shown and I think any replacement in FA will cost just as much and carries a lot more unknown.

Just can’t keep ‘em all, unfortunately.  At this point and given his track record I have very little reason to doubt BB.  I trust he’ll fill that niche position well, and that a back whose soul purpose is short yardage won’t cost much.  I haven’t checked the history for FA short yardage specialists, but that’ll be easier to fill than pay a back the caliber of Hines especially to what he’s signed for (about 5-6 per I think I read).  We’ll have 7-8 million when all is said and done invested in the RB position, with players who are at least above average to good at what we need them to excel at. 
 

I like this position a ton. 

[Scott7975]

10 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Let's not kid ourselves. Our OL isn't going to suddenly learn how to run block. If I have a faster, more reliable rb to throw checkdowns to, sign me up. We have to incorporate more RB throws as part of our "run game".

 

The great thing is Hines isnt just a checkdown guy.  He can actually run routes.

[RyanC883]

5 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

If we actually saw creativity from NFL Coordinators that would be one thing.

 

A true rotation of Singletary, Hines, Cook, two in the backfield, RBs motioning wide, direct snaps, etc.

 

But we never see that in real life. The Browns can’t figure out how to put Chubb and Hunt in the backfield at the same time, Walker was a backup in Seattle until Penny got hurt, the Bills didn’t use Spiller for 2 years until Fred got hurt.

 

NFL Coordinators pick one guy, and everyone else just subs in for breather touches. 

 

I think Cook gets phased out immediately and I have no idea why.

 

Nothing in Hines game-logs or overall stats screams anything more than average NFL scatback.

 

Maybe he ran a 4.38, but that was 4.5 years and a bad concussion ago. 

 

 

 

would love to see the creativity you describe.  I think GB uses 2 backs sometimes

[Coffeesforclosers]

Dorsey wants a Cook/Hines two back set, so he can motion them both to the slot. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

49 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

It was dumping a RB for a better RB first and foremost.  It was having that better RB as an insurance against injury for the playoffs.

It added experience if Devin went down, and everything had to rest on a rookie's shoulders.  That's how I see it and how I think

Beane saw it.

 

I'll stick with my assumption that Cook is fine and will be the Buffalo Bills RB1 next season.  Fans may disagree with me, but the

only way to know is to wait until next year.

 

As to Kamera, he didn't go anywhere, and the team even said he wasn't.  McCaffrey was a pipedream that Beane had to make an offer for.

IF by some crazy stretch of the imagination, Christian became a Bill for what Beane was offering, then it would have changed some things.

 

no you said it’s ludicrous they don’t trust cook yet. 
 

yet everything they have done demonstrates they don’t trust cook yet.

 

and then of course you saying wait for next year even reinforces that you don’t trust cook yet. 
 

😂 🙄 

[BillsFanForever19]

8 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

just hard with the cap.  some team will overpay, and we need OL big time and Gabe extension soon.  Plus a safety perhaps. 

 

Jordan Poyer and Tremaine Edmunds are FA's after this season. Gabe Davis and Ed Oliver will be Free Agents after next season. If there isn't much of a market for Singletary, maybe he comes back.

 

But with guys who take priority over him, the rise in cap costs to contracts that went out to guys like Josh, Diggs, Von, and Tre, and having Hines and Cook under contract next season - it makes way more sense to save that money and take a flyer on the 3rd back in the 5th round area of the Draft.

[n8dg14]

13 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Josh Jacobs

If BB pulled that off he really should consider running for public office on the side.  Maybe tire him out a bit to give the rest of the league a chance. 

[Don Otreply]

Pat Macfee doesn’t appear happy that his Colts traded Hines to Buffalo, says he will shine in our offense 

[Floydboy12]

I liked the idea of swinging big for McCaffery or Kamara. But after those fell thru I don’t really see the point in giving up assets for a guy like Hines. Just give the reps to Cook. They’re the same player except Cook is younger and more explosive. And we have Duke Johnson on the practice squad. Same player. Maybe Hines makes a dent on special teams I don’t know. Would have rather tried to find a backup O lineman. 

[JoPoy88]

Hines is a perfect player to go get with the Bills’ integrating more short passing this season. 
 

I’m going to lose it if I see one more “uh 2 yards a carry only DUHHH….” That’s not his game not what he does at all. 

[vincec]

19 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

If we actually saw creativity from NFL Coordinators that would be one thing.

 

A true rotation of Singletary, Hines, Cook, two in the backfield, RBs motioning wide, direct snaps, etc.

 

But we never see that in real life. The Browns can’t figure out how to put Chubb and Hunt in the backfield at the same time, Walker was a backup in Seattle until Penny got hurt, the Bills didn’t use Spiller for 2 years until Fred got hurt.

 

NFL Coordinators pick one guy, and everyone else just subs in for breather touches. 

 

I think Cook gets phased out immediately and I have no idea why.

 

Nothing in Hines game-logs or overall stats screams anything more than average NFL scatback.

 

Maybe he ran a 4.38, but that was 4.5 years and a bad concussion ago. 

 

 

Two back sets are a relic of the 70s. Only one back gets the ball, the other one needs to block. Will that be Cook or Hines? And if you want to throw the ball, then you are better off with another WR in the game than a second back. They have more route options and are better at running routes and catching to begin with.

Edited November 2, 2022 by vincec

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, vincec said:

Two back sets are a relic of the 70s. Only one back gets the ball, the other one needs to block. Will that be Cook or Hines? And if you want to throw the ball, then you are better off with another WR in the game than a second back. They have more route options and are better at running routes and catching to begin with.

Ok.

 

So a redundant player to Cook and Duke Johnson it is then.

 

Happy Moss is gone, not sad about the cost, just not sure how he is different or an upgrade over Cook. 
 

I guess under this response, stick him in the backfield and have him block, or dump it off to him for the same

7-yard gain that Singletary would have given you. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

17 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

Dorsey wants a Cook/Hines two back set, so he can motion them both to the slot. 

That’s illegal 

[vincec]

4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Ok.

 

So a redundant player to Cook and Duke Johnson it is then.

 

Happy Moss is gone, not sad about the cost, just not sure how he is different or an upgrade over Cook. 
 

I guess under this response, stick him in the backfield and have him block, or dump it off to him for the same

7-yard gain that Singletary would have given you. 

I agree, he looks redundant. Only explanation to me is that they don’t think Singletary is very good in the passing game and they don’t think Cook is ready yet, so they rent Hines for one season to help with the SB run then figure it out from there.

Edited November 2, 2022 by vincec

[NoHuddleKelly12]

20 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

The great thing is Hines isnt just a checkdown guy.  He can actually run routes.

Something more like the Thurminator who was a big part of the passing game too? 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Anyone care to wager what number Hines will wear? Previously 21 (Poyer) with the Colts, 7 in college (Johnson) and 2 in HS (Bass).

 

Available #s:

 

1, 5, 9, 11, 12, 16, 19, 20, 22, 23, 29, 31, 32, 34-38 (many more in 40s)

 

I’ll guess #22

Edited November 2, 2022 by EmotionallyUnstable

[Rock'em Sock'em]

16 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Pat Macfee doesn’t appear happy that his Colts traded Hines to Buffalo, says he will shine in our offense 

 

 

[DapperCam]

This tells me the Bills do not believe Cook can do what they want from a pass catching RB this year, so they went and got a more proven (and more expensive) veteran to fill that role. They probably hoped they wouldn’t have to make a move like this when the season started.

 

It doesn’t mean they’ve written him off forever, but we’re trying to win the Super Bowl this year and can’t sit around waiting for him to figure it out.

[Andy1]

I have t read through all 35 pages but this move gives Cook time to develop while the team gets a similar skill sets in a proven vet. Also, I’m sure Bean likes his punt return ability. We want a veteran in that position too. 
 

Who knows how the RB room shakes out in the future. A lot will happen between now and then. This is a move for this year.

[vincec]

5 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Anyone care to wager what number Hines will wear? Previously 21 (Poyer) with the Colts, 7 in college (Johnson) and 2 in HS (Bass).

 

Available #s:

 

1, 5, 9, 11, 12, 16, 19, 20, 22, 23, 29, 31, 32, 34-38 (many more in 40s)

 

I’ll guess #22

Sacrilege!