Allen’s QBR last night was 83.6

[78thealltimegreat]

Which Is actually higher then it was against Miami, Baltimore, and KC. 
 

So even when he’s “off” he’s still an amazing QB. 
 

Id just like the missed throw away in the dirt that got picked by Alexander back last night that even got on himself about. 
 

Onto the Jets 

[Bruffalo]

2nd half didn't pass the eye test but it doesn't really matter. QBs have off games.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Which Is actually higher then it was against Miami, Baltimore, and KC. 
 

So even when he’s “off” he’s still an amazing QB. 
 

Id just like the missed throw away in the dirt that got picked by Alexander back last night that even got on himself about. 
 

Onto the Jets 

 

He's out of the pocket... throw that out of bounds and take the 3.  

[KDIGGZ]

Good 1st half, terrible 2nd half. We won't win if he has a full game like that 2nd half. Luckily we were already up big at that point. Josh is the entire offense. If he has a bad game then we won't win, simple as that. He had a bad 2nd half and we only had 3 points as a team as a result 

[Nephilim17]

I wouldn't call his performance "amazing" by any stretch but he makes enough clutch plays, even on an off night, to help beat most teams. But that level of play won't beat Kansas City.

[Rubes]

1 minute ago, Nephilim17 said:

I wouldn't call his performance "amazing" by any stretch but he makes enough clutch plays, even on an off night, to help beat most teams. But that level of play won't beat Kansas City.

And yet we still won by double digits, and Allen didn’t have that level of play against Kansas City.

 

[henry jones]

He did seem a little off last night, but when you're playing at the level he's been playing at, his off games are still better than most QB's good games.  He did miss on a couple seemingly easy throws though.  The one to Kumerow stands out (even though it wouldn't have counted anyway) and underthrew a couple deep balls which is odd for him.  But not overly concerning.  Everyone has an off game once in awhile. 

[SCBills]

Allen was really off in the second half.  That was the worst I've seen him look since Jax last year.  Luckily he was an absolute freak in the first half to put the game out of reach early on. 

 

Team/Allen just looked like they wanted to throw haymakers all half when Green Bay was conceding jabs. 

 

Also should be noted that our Tackles really struggled, which led to JA never being able to have a clean pocket.

 

Also, Davis seemed to really struggle.  Alexander had him in his head, including a dropped slant that likely goes to the house. 

 

Edited October 31, 2022 by SCBills

[TH3]

Josh on the HOTSEAT!

[UKBillFan]

I thought Josh was fine in the first half. Second half was awful, admittedly.

[Awwufelloff]

Doesn't green bay have the 2nd best passing defense in the NFL?

[Charles Romes]

Going back to last year he’s had some bad games at home against lesser opponents.  Falcons last year 3 picks, took him out of the MVP race and even the pro bowl.  Good news he usually plays better when it matters the most. 1000 yards 10-0 TD ratio, 125+ rating last 3 games at KC.  He’s the anti-Kirk cousins. 

[BuffalOhio]

I think playing against his idol and trying to make insane plays got into Josh's head.

 

I think Alexander got into everyone's heads.

[What a Tuel]

3rd Quarter had 1 drive:

FG 11 plays 56 yards 

 

4th Quarter had 3 drives:

INT 6 plays -4 yards

INT 4 plays 41 yards

Punt 12 plays 43 yards

 

We had no problem moving the ball in the 2nd half. The "issues" on offense were solely a result of Allen's 2 picks. If those 2 picks don't occur, there is zero chance we are talking about how we played poorly in the 2nd half.

[Logic]

Packers have a quality pass defense.

 

Packers coaches made good second half adjustments.

 

Packers defensive coordinator confused Josh at times.

 

Josh got greedy and made plays that he knew immediately thereafter were boneheaded and ill advised.

 

While I would’ve rather seen Josh and the Bills dominate for four quarters, sometimes you need a game like this. Coach will be whooping ass this week. Everyone will be locked in, because no one likes the taste the second half left in their mouths.

 

The team, and Josh, will hopefully be better for this game. The fact that they were still able to win by 10 is excellent.

[Process]

He was awful. Could care less what some made up nerd metric says. 

 

Best QB in the NFL who had a bad game. It happens. Who cares. We won comfortably. And move on. 

[UKBillFan]

20 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

3rd Quarter had 1 drive:

FG 11 plays 56 yards 

 

4th Quarter had 3 drives:

INT 6 plays -4 yards

INT 4 plays 41 yards

Punt 12 plays 43 yards

 

We had no problem moving the ball in the 2nd half. The "issues" on offense were solely a result of Allen's 2 picks. If those 2 picks don't occur, there is zero chance we are talking about how we played poorly in the 2nd half.

 

True, though there were drops in those drives as well IIRC - Davis and Diggs? Without those perhaps the INT's wouldn't have happened. And then we had Davis' moronic penalty too. As well as the INT's there was the overthrow to Kumerow as well, which led to the punt.

 

It does show that Josh was not actually awful in the second half; just the fourth quarter. The drive in the third quarter was decent from him.

16 minutes ago, Process said:

He was awful. Could care less what some made up nerd metric says. 

 

Best QB in the NFL who had a bad game. It happens. Who cares. We won comfortably. And move on. 

 

He was awful in one quarter; for three quarters he was fine.

Edited October 31, 2022 by UKBillFan

[What a Tuel]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The possession after the GB stop on 4th and short was pretty atrocious. About 6 plays, 3 Awful throws by Allen and a drop by Davis(what else is new?) then an INT across his body. 
 

They won and I imagine they’ll be more focused to play a full 4 quarter game next week. 

 

Yeah but one bad drive is one bad drive. 

 

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

 

True, though there were drops in those drives as well IIRC - Davis and Diggs? Without those perhaps the INT's wouldn't have happened. And then we had Davis' moronic penalty too. As well as the INT's there was the overthrow to Kumerow as well, which led to the punt.

 

It does show that Josh was not actually awful in the second half; just the fourth quarter. The drive in the thrid quarter was decent from him.

 

Yeah I think the INTs were in his head on that overthrow. Just some as he would call it "boneheaded" decisions. 

 

I expect it to be out of his head next week.

[Gugny]

The Bills played an undisciplined game and Josh Allen sucked in one quarter ... and the win was STILL never in doubt.  I'll take that any day.

 

I almost (not really) feel bad for the Jets, because they are going to get their asses handed to them for four complete quarters of football.

 

[hondo in seattle]

QBR is an imperfect metric.  An informed observer - like most of us - can evaluate a QBs performance than any existing metric.  Josh wasn't good in the 4th quarter and did not play at his potential yesterday.   

 

As talented as the Bills are on offense and as banged up as the Packers were on defense, I expected a better show from Dorsey, Allen and company.  

[billsfan1959]

4 minutes ago, Process said:

He was awful. Could care less what some made up nerd metric says. 

 

Best QB in the NFL who had a bad game. It happens. Who cares. We won comfortably. And move on. 

 

You want to see awful QB play? Go watch the Pats - Jets game. Allen wasn't close to being awful. He took the team to five straight scoring drives and 27 points through the middle of the 3rd quarter. He had 3-4 bad throws over two drives in the fourth that, in all honesty, only kept them from scoring 34-37 points - not put them in danger of losing the game. 

 

He wasn't awful. He had 3-4 "awful" plays. There is a difference - and they weren't the first "awful" plays he has had this year. It happens.

[Nextmanup]

32 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Good 1st half, terrible 2nd half. We won't win if he has a full game like that 2nd half. Luckily we were already up big at that point. Josh is the entire offense. If he has a bad game then we won't win, simple as that. He had a bad 2nd half and we only had 3 points as a team as a result 

We won't win if he has a terrible single half like that...if it's in the playoffs against a strong team on top of its game....which you have to assume will be the case.

 

The season will ultimately come down to how well we string 4 quarters together, just a few times, in the post-season.

Let's hope we save our best for when we need it most.

 

Of note: Allen was basically "perfect" last year in both our playoff games.

 

 

[Mango]

It just felt like he was pressing too hard in the second half to put the game away. Like "let me get one more in the end zone real quick so I can take a seat on the bench for the rest of the night". 
 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

32 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Good 1st half, terrible 2nd half. We won't win if he has a full game like that 2nd half. Luckily we were already up big at that point. Josh is the entire offense. If he has a bad game then we won't win, simple as that. He had a bad 2nd half and we only had 3 points as a team as a result 

Gotta think the big lead and our lack of urgency on offense in the second half were related though.  He likely passed up an easy first down scramble because our coaching staff didn’t want him taking unnecessary hits with a big lead on that first int.  Second one looked like he was mostly trying to throw the ball away but give one of his receivers an outside chance which is a mistake I don’t see happening again 

[KDIGGZ]

Just now, Nextmanup said:

We won't win if he has a terrible single half like that...if it's in the playoffs against a strong team on top of its game....which you have to assume will be the case.

 

The season will ultimately come down to how well we string 4 quarters together, just a few times, in the post-season.

Let's hope we save our best for when we need it most.

 

Of note: Allen was basically "perfect" last year in both our playoff games.

Yes the expectation has become that Allen will play perfect every week and that's not a sustainable model for success.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

You want to see awful QB play? Go watch the Pats - Jets game. Allen wasn't close to being awful. He took the team to five straight scoring drives and 27 points through the middle of the 3rd quarter. He had 3-4 bad throws over two drives in the fourth that, in all honesty, only kept them from scoring 34-37 points - not put them in danger of losing the game. 

 

He wasn't awful. He had 3-4 "awful" plays. There is a difference - and they weren't the first "awful" plays he has had this year. It happens.

 

I think part of the issue is they happened back to back and in the fourth quarter. If they'd happened in the first quarter then Josh improved would people be so concerned? If one interception had happened in the first half, the second in the fourth quarter and the overthrow at some random point inbetween would there be such a reaction? I don't think so. It's because they basically happened one drive after another after another - as though he got stuck in a funk and couldn't get himself out of it mentally.

[Donuts and Doritos]

43 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

2nd half didn't pass the eye test but it doesn't really matter. QBs have off games.  

 

I never have an off day, ever. No matter what my wife or boss says (can't believe a word they say). My QBR is always 100. 

Edited October 31, 2022 by Donuts and Doritos

[pocoboy]

33 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

I thought Josh was fine in the first half. Second half was awful, admittedly.

 

Yeah I think there was a combination of 1) Allen starting to let the MVP talk work on him, and 2) the rest of the team putting it in Neutral and coasting. I don't think it's a good time to start hero ball when your receivers are too busy barbing it up with GBDB's to execute the kinds of routes they pull off in normal situations.

 

They really need a slot option who is reliable. If they don't pick someone up before the deadline, I think that will be a Beane miss (unless they begin to employ Shakir as the primary slot receiver).

Edited October 31, 2022 by pocoboy

[HappyDays]

I said it earlier in the year too, Allen and the offense start playing too loose at times once they realize they are much better than their opponent. The dirt pass that turned into a pick I'll chalk up to a weird fluke, but the one he threw back across his body was just unnecessary at that moment in the game. Allen is the man and he know he's the man but he has to pick his spots. He knows better than that.

 

I also feel like there are some games where you can tell the coaching staff has told him no more running. Did he run the ball once after halftime yesterday? When Allen is neutered like that the offense looks worse. I think if we had been playing the Chiefs he would have just run on that 3rd down where he threw his first interception. They should let him play his game.

[UKBillFan]

4 minutes ago, pocoboy said:

 

Yeah I think there was a combination of 1) Allen starting to let the MVP talk work on him, and 2) the rest of the team putting it in Neutral and coasting. I don't think it's a good time to start hero ball when your receivers are too busy barbing it up with GBDB's to execute the kinds of routes they pull off in normal situations.

 

They really need a slot option who is reliable. If they don't pick someone up before the deadline, I think that will be a Beane miss (unless they begin to employ Shakir as the primary slot receiver).

 

I take my original post back - first three quarters decent, fourth quarter awful. And even then he did that nice dunk to Cook in the fourth.

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I said it earlier in the year too, Allen and the offense start playing too loose at times once they realize they are much better than their opponent. The dirt pass that turned into a pick I'll chalk up to a weird fluke, but the one he threw back across his body was just unnecessary at that moment in the game. Allen is the man and he know he's the man but he has to pick his spots. He knows better than that.

 

I also feel like there are some games where you can tell the coaching staff has told him no more running. Did he run the ball once after halftime yesterday? When Allen is neutered like that the offense looks worse. I think if we had been playing the Chiefs he would have just run on that 3rd down where he threw his first interception. They should let him play his game.

 

Yes - in the third quarter during the final scoring drive. It's as though they had a word between the third and fourth quarters.

 

With the second interception I don't get why he didn't throw it out of the back of the end zone.

[billsfan1959]

9 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I think part of the issue is they happened back to back and in the fourth quarter. If they'd happened in the first quarter then Josh improved would people be so concerned? If one interception had happened in the first half, the second in the fourth quarter and the overthrow at some random point inbetween would there be such a reaction? I don't think so. It's because they basically happened one drive after another after another - as though he got stuck in a funk and couldn't get himself out of it mentally.

 

Are you honestly concerned about Josh Allen?

[Toyo321]

Not a good game by Allen,  he was throwing some 100 MPH balls that required some touch last night and he made to many mistakes.  He had a bad game.

[brianthomas]

From Josh's very first throw i thought maybe he was nervous or over-excited about playing vs 1 of his childhood idols in Rodgers.

We've seen it before from him, where he's so amped up to play that it takes a series or 2 for him to settle down & collect himself (for lack of a better word).

 

I'm not gonna presume i know anything about what Josh's issues were last night. I really want to watch the All-21. But the bar he's set for QB play has been set so high, anything less than 300 3tds feels like an off performance. It was still a solid game by anyones standards & we got the dub. I'm good with that

[UKBillFan]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

Are you honestly concerned about Josh Allen?

 

Maybe concerned is the wrong word. I'm asking would it be being spoken about so much.

 

From memory, I don't think Josh's struggles in the first half at Tampa were really discussed post game last year, because of how brilliant he was in the second half.

[wjag]

So a random thought no one wants to admit might have happened..

 

Did that hard hit Josh took at the goal line hurt him?????????  Might explain why he was "off" as many are saying...

[TPS]

45 minutes ago, BuffalOhio said:

I think playing against his idol and trying to make insane plays got into Josh's head.

 

I think Alexander got into everyone's heads.

Yeah, I said same in post-game thread.  Diggs and DAvis were distracted and more interested in getting a hit on him.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, wjag said:

So a random thought no one wants to admit might have happened..

 

Did that hard hit Josh took at the goal line hurt him?????????  Might explain why he was "off" as many are saying...

 

That was mentioned on the game and post game threads.

[LEBills]

QBR accounts for running too which he was very effective with last night and probably boosted his rating a bunch. Josh was fine overall, I think they were out of rhythm in the second half with how long the Packers held onto the ball on their drives so he got a little sloppy

[billsfan1959]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

 

Maybe concerned is the wrong word. I'm asking would it be being spoken about so much.

 

From memory, I don't think Josh's struggles in the first half at Tampa were really discussed post game last year, because of how brilliant he was in the second half.

 

I don't know why it is being spoken about so much at all. It is not as if they happened with the game on the line, or at some critical point in the game, or if it was some kind of pattern with Allen. They literally happened with the team up by 17 points and on the opponent's side of the field. They didn't lead to scores by GB or a loss.

 

He is having an MVP year. In the midst of all the MVP caliber plays he has displayed this year are probably 10-15 bad plays. It happens. You can find the same with Mahomes. Do you think Allen isn't aware of those bad plays?

 

Why are you not talking about the beautifully thrown passes, escape from would be sacks, and great plays with his legs that led to a 27 -10 lead midway through the 3rd quarter that made those 3-4 bad plays in the 4th inconsquential?

[HalftimeAdjustment]

People shouldn't defend 13/25 with 2 TD/2 INT as a good game. He had a very good first half, an iffy 3rd quarter and a bad 4th quarter. 

 

If his stat line ended up at 15/25 with 2 TD and 1 INT, it probably would qualify as a good game. But the overthrows in Q4 plus the 2 INTs say: stinker. So he needs to learn from it and move forward. As long as he is not injured, we'll do fine. 

 

As I recall Aaron Rogers had a horrific game in Buffalo a few years back. Since then he won the MVP twice. It can happen to anyone. Sometimes Brady threw multiple picks too. It's why they play. Let's hope he gets it out of his system.