NFC better than AFC at the top

[gonzo1105]

I think that the 2 best teams reside in the AFC. I think the AFC is deeper which is why your seeing so much parity. The bottom of the NFC is garbage.  The Eagles are legit. I actually think the 2nd best team in the NFC is Dallas. Minnesota is a decent team, San Francisco has been disappointing, same for TB.

[No_Matter_What]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

 

What are the cross conference results to this point???  I am almost willing to Bet the AFC has the edge. 

Don't do it. AFC is losing 15-17 vs NFC.

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Quinn had 18.5 sacks last season. Agree Miller is better and Quinn is having a down year. But if Buffalo traded for him you would be excited he was added to the team. 

49ers are far more than CMC, but I Agree Bills and Chiefs are both better.  

I don’t think I would? 18.5 sacks is a huge number, and he’s a good player, but the news media is acting as if he is all of a sudden the best pass rusher in the league. I’m not big on trades in the NFL. It’s not the same as with the NBA or MLB, where guys can get plugged in and play. Scheme, chemistry, communication, all vary from team to team, and are vital to success. I’m not saying he won’t be successful, I’m just saying that I don’t think it’s as big of a deal as what people here and in the news are making it out to be. 
 

I’ll continue to say that Philly is not that good, and is no match for the Bills or Chiefs. 

[TheFunPolice]

Here's my read of the NFC.

 

Philly is a tough team, sort of like the 49ers. They are dangerous but ultimately I don't trust Hurts when the game is on the line. 

 

Giants are winning with smoke, mirrors and good luck, which isn't sustainable but good for them and Daboll. Not a real contender although they might win enough games to make it in to the playoffs. 

 

Vikings could win 14 games and I'll still not respect them because of Kirk Cousins, who wilts when the lights get bright. 

 

49ers are a tough team, and if they ever get healthy they are scrappy, win ugly, scrappy type of team that can go deep in the playoffs with everyone saying they have no shot. 49ers always seem to outperform their potential. 

 

Dallas is the mirror opposite of the 49ers. Big names, all the media love, all the hype, and they will lose 1st round in the playoffs if they make it. Cowboys always seem to fall short of their potential. 

 

Overall, I think Dallas or SF will be the team to go to (and lose) the NFC Title game to Tampa, who will play in the Super Bowl with a losing regular season record. Why Tampa? Because I absolutely refuse to believe that Tom Brady won't just magically turn it around and start winning until I actually see prolonged evidence. 

 

It's one thing to beat Brady in September or October. It's way, way harder in a single elimination format where the refs will have itchy fingers for the flags on 3rd down when Brady has the ball and the league wants a "storybook ending." 

 

 

[Max Fischer]

1 hour ago, FrenchConnection said:

If those standings hold, the Bills don't play in the first round.

 

Yeah, and . . . ?

[MAJBobby]

2 hours ago, bills6969 said:

SF is completely different team now with Mccaffrey 

OK why because they WON a a game?  Their QB is still TRASH 

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Quinn had 18.5 sacks last season. Agree Miller is better and Quinn is having a down year. But if Buffalo traded for him you would be excited he was added to the team. 

49ers are far more than CMC, but I Agree Bills and Chiefs are both better.  

 

If you look at his career it seems he has a great year followed by a garbage year in terms of sacks.

[MAJBobby]

2 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

Don't do it. AFC is losing 15-17 vs NFC.

So roughly .500  

[1ManRaid]

4 hours ago, bills6969 said:

Coming into the season everyone was drooling over how good AFC would be at the top, now, almost at the midway point of season, it appears the NFC is better. Philly, Dallas, San Fran, Minny are super bowl caliber teams,  whereas in AFC, it’s looking like just Buff and KC.

 

Found the box score hero who only looks at win loss records without context.  You're impressed by San Fran and Minn?

[Greg S]

55 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Here's my read of the NFC.

 

Philly is a tough team, sort of like the 49ers. They are dangerous but ultimately I don't trust Hurts when the game is on the line. 

 

Giants are winning with smoke, mirrors and good luck, which isn't sustainable but good for them and Daboll. Not a real contender although they might win enough games to make it in to the playoffs. 

 

Vikings could win 14 games and I'll still not respect them because of Kirk Cousins, who wilts when the lights get bright. 

 

49ers are a tough team, and if they ever get healthy they are scrappy, win ugly, scrappy type of team that can go deep in the playoffs with everyone saying they have no shot. 49ers always seem to outperform their potential. 

 

Dallas is the mirror opposite of the 49ers. Big names, all the media love, all the hype, and they will lose 1st round in the playoffs if they make it. Cowboys always seem to fall short of their potential. 

 

Overall, I think Dallas or SF will be the team to go to (and lose) the NFC Title game to Tampa, who will play in the Super Bowl with a losing regular season record. Why Tampa? Because I absolutely refuse to believe that Tom Brady won't just magically turn it around and start winning until I actually see prolonged evidence. 

 

It's one thing to beat Brady in September or October. It's way, way harder in a single elimination format where the refs will have itchy fingers for the flags on 3rd down when Brady has the ball and the league wants a "storybook ending." 

 

 

 

Giants are 6-2 going into their bye but have two very winnable games after that. Nov 13 Texans at Giants. Nov 20 Lions at Giants. They have a very real shot to be 8-2.

[May Day 10]

Lets go through playoff teams and rough seeding without looking exactly where they fall.  

 

Buffalo vs Philadelphia:  Buffalo

KC vs Dallas:  KC

Tennessee vs Minnesota?:  Id give Minnesota the edge

Baltimore vs NY Giants:  Baltimore

Miami vs Seattle:  Miami

Jets vs SF:  SF

Chargers vs Falcons:  Chargers

 

I give the NFC in 2 match-ups, and Tennessee/Minnesota id say is close to pick-em.  If the Bengals jumped on there with Chase, Id sat theu are superior to the bottom 4 or so NFC teams.

 

I look at it this way.  If you had this group of teams, who would you rank as the Bills' playoff match-up if you got to choose?

 

Id do:

Falcons

Seattle

Jets

Giants

SF

Minnesota

Miami

Chargers

Tennessee

Dallas

Baltimore

Philadelphia

KC

 

That is weighted with NFC teams as being 'easier' match-ups from my perspective other than Philly and Dallas.  

[TheFunPolice]

15 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

OK why because they WON a a game?  Their QB is still TRASH 

 

That's the thing... It's said every year, then they somehow claw their way into the playoffs but Jimmy G isn't taking them anywhere, we all know that.

 

A few weeks later they are in the Super Bowl or one easy INT that was dropped away from being in the SB (last year when Stafford handed them the NFC Title Game but they dropped it). 

 

They're a dangerous team because when it gets ugly they have the toughness to find a way. 

 

Edited October 31, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

I don’t think I would? 18.5 sacks is a huge number, and he’s a good player, but the news media is acting as if he is all of a sudden the best pass rusher in the league. I’m not big on trades in the NFL. It’s not the same as with the NBA or MLB, where guys can get plugged in and play. Scheme, chemistry, communication, all vary from team to team, and are vital to success. I’m not saying he won’t be successful, I’m just saying that I don’t think it’s as big of a deal as what people here and in the news are making it out to be. 
 

I’ll continue to say that Philly is not that good, and is no match for the Bills or Chiefs. 

I will continue with your NBA analogy. NBA is all about matchups. 

Eagles have #1 pass defense in yards and #2 by YPA.  Eagles have a QB with super high completion percentage, a big oline, and are decent at running the ball. 

All those factors could be matchup problems for Bills and KC.  

Like the Bills last year, the Eagles have faced some really bad QBs. So is their defensive ranking real or not????

Buffalo and KC still seem like the better team but I would not discount the Eagles so quickly.

[Watkins101]

4 hours ago, bills6969 said:

Coming into the season everyone was drooling over how good AFC would be at the top, now, almost at the midway point of season, it appears the NFC is better. Philly, Dallas, San Fran, Minny are super bowl caliber teams,  whereas in AFC, it’s looking like just Buff and KC.

Titans have won 5 straight and their 2 losses have been to a 6-2 and a 6-1 team. At least as impressive as Dallas’s 2 losses to a 7-0 and a 3-5 team. San Fransisco is 4-4 and got blown out by 21 points in week 7, does the at sound like a Super Bowl team? Or any more than the 4-3 bengals who made the Super Bowl are?

[TheFunPolice]

the league is crazy, so once that tournament begins, anything can happen...

 

Look at last year: everyone said the 2 best teams in the NFL were Buffalo and KC in whatever order. Neither even MADE it to the SB. 

 

KC beats us in the 13 second game, and the next week is up 21-3 at home vs Cincinnati in the AFC Title Game. 

 

and yet.. it's the BENGALS that represent the AFC. Not only that, they really should have won the Super Bowl, if not for ticky tack calls to help the Rams at the end. Even with that, if Burrow sees Chase open on 4th down the Bengals win it all last season.

 

 

Edited October 31, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I will continue with your NBA analogy. NBA is all about matchups. 

Eagles have #1 pass defense in yards and #2 by YPA.  Eagles have a QB with super high completion percentage, a big oline, and are decent at running the ball. 

All those factors could be matchup problems for Bills and KC.  

Like the Bills last year, the Eagles have faced some really bad QBs. So is their defensive ranking real or not????

Buffalo and KC still seem like the better team but I would not discount the Eagles so quickly.

At the end of the day they have played against the following QBs

 

Jared Goff

Kirk Cousins (probably the best of the bunch)

Carson Wentz

Trevor Lawrence

Kyler Murray (No Hopkins)

Cooper Rush

Pickett

 

and the teams have a 24-30 record.

 

Yes they are taking care of what they ned to take care off, but make no mistake they are beaing aided by weak QB play from the other side.

[TheFunPolice]

also, everyone said the same thing last year: AFC > NFC and the NFC team won it all. 

[ProcessYaDigg]

4 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Vikings games are always HUGE for Diggs.  Hope he has a game like Beasley did on Thanksgiving against Dallass Cowpokes. 

You're gonna have to educate me on this one.  You make it seem like he's played against his old team many times.  When has Diggs ever played against the Vikings?

[Donuts and Doritos]

If only they had a way to tell, like a game where the best team from both conferences play each other.... 🤔

 

Oh well, guess we'll never know.

[Protocal69]

4 hours ago, TH3 said:

Tua gonna be a PROBLEM!

58% of TUA attempts go to either Hill or Waddle

71% of TUA yards goes to either Hill or Waddle

 

In comparison though I didnt do the numbers from last night

39% of Josh attempts go to either Diggs or Davis

52% of Josh yards go to either Diggs or Davis

 

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I will continue with your NBA analogy. NBA is all about matchups. 

Eagles have #1 pass defense in yards and #2 by YPA.  Eagles have a QB with super high completion percentage, a big oline, and are decent at running the ball. 

All those factors could be matchup problems for Bills and KC.  

Like the Bills last year, the Eagles have faced some really bad QBs. So is their defensive ranking real or not????

Buffalo and KC still seem like the better team but I would not discount the Eagles so quickly.

I will agree that the Eagles run game scared me before last night, and I feel like the Bills scheme got exposed last night. But, I also don’t think it’s something that can’t be overcome. And I don’t think that Robert Quinn makes them so much better than the Bills O-line and Josh Allen can handle. I really don’t buy into the Eagles at all. But they’re undefeated, and they’re odds on favorite for the NFC. They’re the only thing to talk about in NFC. So this is the team that’s getting better to make a run. But… 

 

I don’t think this trade deadline deal, the move that makes that makes them better than a team with great chemistry and motivated from within. 
 

If the Bills signed Robert Quinn in the off-season, or traded for him then, I’d be over the moon. Just for the record. 

[Max Fischer]

11 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

Current playoff standings:

 

 1. Bills

 2. Titans

 3. Chiefs

 4. Ravens

 

  5. Jets

  6. Dolphins

  7. Chargers

 

  8. Bengals

  9. Patriots

10. Colts

 

IMO, it's a good bet that the Jets will fall and the Bengals will get in. If so, we could have a VERY competitive first round. I think the Chiefs would be the heaviest favorite but it might be less than a touchdown. 

 

 

 

Perhaps the Bengals are not a playoff lock. 

[Billznut]

13 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

People are overlooking the Bengals. They lost a head scratcher in the opener to Pittsburgh in overtime (that stuff happens in Week 1) and then to the Cowboys the next week. But after digging themselves into that hole they’ve been on a roll. I’ll be interested to see how they look tonight. 

Well looks like we have the answer about the Bengals. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

14 hours ago, bills6969 said:

Coming into the season everyone was drooling over how good AFC would be at the top, now, almost at the midway point of season, it appears the NFC is better. Philly, Dallas, San Fran, Minny are super bowl caliber teams,  whereas in AFC, it’s looking like just Buff and KC.

No one in the nfc is nearly as good as the bills or chiefs imo.  Philly is about as good as a relatively healthy baltimore team. Heck if Miami can just somewhat sort their defensive issues out I’d put them above all those nfc teams too.  Miami likely beats Minnesota with tua out there…bridgewater had a rough few weeks 

 

even with bridgewater Miami outgained Minnesota 458-234

Edited November 1, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Bimmer323i]

14 hours ago, bills6969 said:

Coming into the season everyone was drooling over how good AFC would be at the top, now, almost at the midway point of season, it appears the NFC is better. Philly, Dallas, San Fran, Minny are super bowl caliber teams,  whereas in AFC, it’s looking like just Buff and KC.

Philly maybe but Dallas Vikings and 9ers are not super bowl caliber teams

[dakrider]

Really, the AFC is Bills and Chiefs.  NFC is Philly.  Right now these are the only 3 teams that could make the  SB. 
Next best NFC team is Vikings and they would be 4-4 in the AFC North. 
And I certainly don't see the Baltimore, Miami or Tenn. winning 3 playoff games to get to SB.  Buffalo or KC could possibly lose a game to one of these but not both.  
 

 

[Big Blitz]

No.

 

 

Pick one:

 

AFC Ranked:

 

Bills

Chiefs

Dolphins

Ravens 

 

 

NFC Ranked:

 

Eagles

Cowboys

49ers

Vikings 

 

Edited November 1, 2022 by Big Blitz

[SoCal Deek]

10 hours ago, Billznut said:

Well looks like we have the answer about the Bengals. 

Ha! I was just thinking I should go back and find my post on the Bengals and you did it for me. I was out helping the grandkids with trick or treating (night games are on early on the west coast) but I was catching the score on my phone. I have to admit I did NOT see that coming. Go figure. 

[Motor26]

17 hours ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

I will agree that the Eagles run game scared me before last night, and I feel like the Bills scheme got exposed last night. But, I also don’t think it’s something that can’t be overcome. And I don’t think that Robert Quinn makes them so much better than the Bills O-line and Josh Allen can handle. I really don’t buy into the Eagles at all. But they’re undefeated, and they’re odds on favorite for the NFC. They’re the only thing to talk about in NFC. So this is the team that’s getting better to make a run. But… 

 

I don’t think this trade deadline deal, the move that makes that makes them better than a team with great chemistry and motivated from within. 
 

If the Bills signed Robert Quinn in the off-season, or traded for him then, I’d be over the moon. Just for the record. 

 

The scheme to let the team run out the clock while defending against the reigning MVP because he can still make any throw even with terrible receivers? The Bills stayed in Nickel instead of switching to a 4-3 because of the threat of Rodgers and the game was never in doubt. This is the same defense that held Derrick Henry to under 30 yards. 

[DCOrange]

On 10/31/2022 at 8:28 AM, bills6969 said:

Coming into the season everyone was drooling over how good AFC would be at the top, now, almost at the midway point of season, it appears the NFC is better. Philly, Dallas, San Fran, Minny are super bowl caliber teams,  whereas in AFC, it’s looking like just Buff and KC.

I would probably rank the teams something like:

1. Buffalo
2. Kansas City
3. Philly
4. Baltimore
5. Dallas
6. Miami
7. San Fran
8. Minnesota (or maybe still hold out hope for Tampa to figure things out)

AFC remains better at the top IMO but it's certainly not as deep as a lot of people expected it to be (and the NFC is just as weak if not weaker than it was expected to be).

[Boatdrinks]

9 hours ago, dakrider said:

Really, the AFC is Bills and Chiefs.  NFC is Philly.  Right now these are the only 3 teams that could make the  SB. 
Next best NFC team is Vikings and they would be 4-4 in the AFC North. 
And I certainly don't see the Baltimore, Miami or Tenn. winning 3 playoff games to get to SB.  Buffalo or KC could possibly lose a game to one of these but not both.  
 

 

I’d venture right now that a team not among your 3 capable of making the SB will make the SB. 

5 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I would probably rank the teams something like:

1. Buffalo
2. Kansas City
3. Philly
4. Baltimore
5. Dallas
6. Miami
7. San Fran
8. Minnesota (or maybe still hold out hope for Tampa to figure things out)

AFC remains better at the top IMO but it's certainly not as deep as a lot of people expected it to be (and the NFC is just as weak if not weaker than it was expected to be).

True , the AFC is better but not as deep due to much worse than expected QB play.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

On 10/31/2022 at 6:00 AM, Charles Romes said:

Dolphins are like 11-2 last 13 games Tua has started. 

Yep. The dolphins roster when fully healthy and on offense in particular is one of the best rosters in the conference. Quarterback is still a disadvantage with Tua but he is certainly capable of getting the ball to the playmakers most days.

 

There’s no excuse for the Dolphins to not make the playoffs this year. 

[billsfan89]

Philly and Dallas are legit teams and if the 49ers can get their defense healthy they are going to be a factor. The Vikings and Giants are paper tigers, the NFC South is a joke and the rest of the conference is pretty mediocre.

 

Beyond the Bills and Chiefs you have a dam good Ravens team that could easily be 8-0 or at least have 6-7 wins but still sit at 5-3. You have a Titans team that has not lost since week two that is a legit team and you have some other tough teams out there like the Bengals, Browns (who will be getting a upgrade at QB) and Chargers. There is also still the Dolphins who sit at 5-3 and are formidable. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

19 hours ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

I will agree that the Eagles run game scared me before last night, and I feel like the Bills scheme got exposed last night. But, I also don’t think it’s something that can’t be overcome. And I don’t think that Robert Quinn makes them so much better than the Bills O-line and Josh Allen can handle. I really don’t buy into the Eagles at all. But they’re undefeated, and they’re odds on favorite for the NFC. They’re the only thing to talk about in NFC. So this is the team that’s getting better to make a run. But… 

 

I don’t think this trade deadline deal, the move that makes that makes them better than a team with great chemistry and motivated from within. 
 

If the Bills signed Robert Quinn in the off-season, or traded for him then, I’d be over the moon. Just for the record. 

Bills would defend the eagles much differently than the second half of the packers game.  And I think as a fanbase we are really sleeping on how good Aaron jones and aj Dillon are.  There weren’t a whole lot of plays where we weren’t well positioned to make tackles.  Also, I’m sure rodgers was audibling and changing blocking assignments at the line of scrimmage which he is much better than hurts at.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

Philly and Dallas are legit teams and if the 49ers can get their defense healthy they are going to be a factor. The Vikings and Giants are paper tigers, the NFC South is a joke and the rest of the conference is pretty mediocre.

 

Beyond the Bills and Chiefs you have a dam good Ravens team that could easily be 8-0 or at least have 6-7 wins but still sit at 5-3. You have a Titans team that has not lost since week two that is a legit team and you have some other tough teams out there like the Bengals, Browns (who will be getting a upgrade at QB) and Chargers. There is also still the Dolphins who sit at 5-3 and are formidable. 

Philly is going to get spanked by the cowboys when they don’t have a practice squadder at QB imo…I wouldn’t call them full 2020 Steelers but they are not 7-0 good right now 

[SCBills]

10 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

No.

 

 

Pick one:

 

AFC Ranked:

 

Bills

Chiefs

Dolphins

Ravens 

 

 

NFC Ranked:

 

Eagles

Cowboys

49ers

Vikings 

 

Once Dak gets his sea legs under him and the 49ers get their guys gelling.. the NFC’s top 4 is much better than anyone ever thought entering the season.

 

However, the Bills and Chiefs are so much better than the top NFC team that it swings the balance to the AFC. 
 

Sorry, I do not buy the Eagles. Good team, not great.  Buffalo and Kansas City are great.. and most importantly, have the two best QB’s in the NFL, by a wide margin. 

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

3 hours ago, Motor26 said:

 

The scheme to let the team run out the clock while defending against the reigning MVP because he can still make any throw even with terrible receivers? The Bills stayed in Nickel instead of switching to a 4-3 because of the threat of Rodgers and the game was never in doubt. This is the same defense that held Derrick Henry to under 30 yards. 

Im not sure what you’re trying to say here?
 

The Bills defense got gashed on Sunday night BECAUSE of scheme. The defense bent, but did not break. That’s also part of the scheme. 

[Motor26]

11 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

Im not sure what you’re trying to say here?
 

The Bills defense got gashed on Sunday night BECAUSE of scheme. The defense bent, but did not break. That’s also part of the scheme. 

 

The Bills let Green Bay run because they didn't want to get beat deep by Rodgers, so they stayed in Nickel. 

[BillsFanSD]

On 10/31/2022 at 7:57 AM, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Lololol ok sure, let's see the Chiefs and Bills head to head vs the vikes and Eagles and see how that goes

This.

 

The two best teams in the NFL are both in the AFC.  Either of those teams will be favored by about 6 points against the Eagles if they meet in the super bowl.  The spread will be larger if they face off against any team besides Philadelphia.  Nobody seriously thinks that the Vikings are in the same tier as the Bills and Chiefs.  

[appoo]

In general, this is one of the worst seasons in my memory of just having good teams. Feels like everyone is either mediocre or bad except for the Bills, Chiefs, Eagles and Vikings. Like you can make an arguement that the Geno Smith led Hawks are the 3rd best team in the NFC