Poyer elbow injury (update: “day-to-day”)

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

We’ve gotten all the mileage we can out of Poyer and Hyde, but Jaquan Johnson and Damar Hamlin will give up long passing plays, Miami showed this and Green Bay as well.

 

Jaquan Johnson is not good enough.

 

The only time Aaron went deep I think was once Poyer was out.

 

The drop-off in coverage was noticeable. 

 

 

 

[uticaclub]

We reached our peak with Hyde & Poyer,  time to find new safeties to anchor the entire defense.

[DrPJax]

3 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yeah, that locker room video is not inspiring.

 

Still a lot of time left, but surgery probably knocks him out for the regular season. 

I agree with you , that video of him hearing or feeling a “”pop” is concerning. Plus I saw it reported on YouTube that someone had seen swelling around the elbow and this other reporter said he also had swelling around his hand.  The elbow has a capsule around the moving ; articulating parts ,  Posterior swelling is not uncommon ( bursitis can cause that) , but swelling in the area where the elbow bends is worrisome as it can signify blood collecting there from acute / recent trauma. So the reports that people saw swelling is concerning. 
 

Hearing or feeling a pop is usually associated with ligament ( like ACL) or tendon tears( like your biceps tendon ). The main tendon that might “pop” in that area under force ( like trying to tackle someone , your biceps is contracting while they are applying force in the opposite direction moving away from you ) is the distal biceps tendon and it’s not uncommon for it to rupture.  X-rays would be most  likely negative ( tho you can see some indirect shadows from bleeding called a fat pad sign ) , so an MRI is needed for diagnosis. 
 

If that “pop “ turns  out to be the distal ( furthest from the trunk) biceps tendon rupturing , it usually requires surgery ( most of the time ; some people chose against it but they can have problems with weakness , range of movement etc and need therapy to regain function) with rehab to get full strength back. I’m not an orthopedist , but I would think most athletes would go the surgery route.  So Poyer mentioning the pop and others reporting swelling is definitely concerning.  You never know until you see the imaging  so I hope it’s something else that won’t require surgery  as I am a fan who appreciates his story and he is such a great player IMO.  It would be sad if both he and Hyde , the 2 pieces Mcd started building around , both miss what looks  like our best shot at the Lombardi, and could  even hurt our chances getting there.to begin with.  Hope for the best , sure miss seeing them out there.  
 

Poyer may end up on IR , clearing the way for Tre to be  on the roster , but I bet Beane is looking for a safety tomorrow. 😣

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Might have to add a safety to the trade list.

 

Maybe they move Benford to safety when Tre returns. Get that ball roll.

[Donuts and Doritos]

Seemed like safeties got beat on both long TD passes. There's a drop off from Hyde & Poyer. & We have no depth.

[bmur66]

It's 6:50 AM. I hope Beane had his coffee this morning.

[MAJBobby]

5 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

That would be horrific.

 

No Poyer + No Hyde = No SB

 

Really need that MRI to be neg. Need Poyer for the playoff's at least.

Two Safeties missing are not going to equal No SB. Jesus. 

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Really? I think it could be a huge issue in the playoffs.

Yes Really. They are safeties. 
 

if 17 misses games than I get concerned. Not safeties.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

If 17 is out the rest of the season, ofc, no SB.

Can slide Benford back there. And would be fine as well. 

[H2o]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Can slide Benford back there. And would be fine as well. 

That's my thought. When Tre comes back, Benford will be plugged into the starting lineup at FS. 

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Ok that rarely happened.  White played his side of the field. It was only a few rare games that he lined exclusively against an opponents top target.  

 

But he does lock down one side of the field. That means you can shade coverage to the other side. For 3 years that is what we did. Tre shut his side down, we shaded coverage to Levi and told him to keep everything in front, give up as many 6 yard completions as necessary to avoid getting beat deep.

[Back2Buff]

This is why you don't sign Poyer to a contract extension.  The body can only take so much.

 

I'm looking at first round safeties next year in draft.

 

Poyer hasn't been good since coming back from the rib injury. 

[freddyjj]

Dean Marlowe on line one Mr. Beane. 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Can slide Benford back there. And would be fine as well. 

 

Long term that is an answer, but in the middle of a run at a Superbowl putting a rookie corner at safety? I don't think he'd be a disaster or anything but that is quite the adjustment for him, I suspect there would be growing pains. 

 

If Poyer is gone for the year I would be working the phones. Carolina are in sell mode. I'd see if they'd take something for Xavier Woods. Offer them the 5th we got foe Cody Ford. 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Long term that is an answer, but in the middle of a run at a Superbowl putting a rookie corner at safety? I don't think he'd be a disaster or anything but that is quite the adjustment for him, I suspect there would be growing pains. 

 

If Poyer is gone for the year I would be working the phones. Carolina are in sell mode. I'd see if they'd take something for Xavier Woods. Offer them the 5th we got foe Cody Ford. 

I get it. But this rookie has been starting at CB day one. Put him at safety in the cover two shell the Bills play and you will be fine 

 

puts your best players on the field. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

I get it. But this rookie has been starting at CB day one. Put him at safety in the cover two shell the Bills play and you will be fine 

 

puts your best players on the field. 

 

But the safeties do much more than play safety in this scheme. It is too much inexperience back there IMO. No coincidence that the two big plays the Bills have given up on defense in 7 games have both come when both starting safeties were not there. If Poyer is done they need to try and bring in a true vet with some experience in similar defenses. That is why I throw Xavier Woods out there. There is carry over from Dan Quinn's scheme he played in last year in Dallas to what McDermott and Frazier do.

[taglientep]

7 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Trade for a Safety.  
 

That’s it.  That’s the trade.  

Can we trade for Marlowe?  

[North Buffalo]

7 hours ago, Shake_My_Head said:

Pop?   That doesn't sound good at all.

Could be anything from old scar tissue to something more serious... wait til its announced.

[Back2Buff]

4 minutes ago, taglientep said:

Can we trade for Marlowe?  

 

The same Marlowe that got burned for a huge TD at end of game that should have lost them the game.

[taglientep]

3 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

The same Marlowe that got burned for a huge TD at end of game that should have lost them the game.

The same guy that knows the system and can walk in the door and provide depth if needed.    yeah that guy   oh no he gave up a touchdown... so did the bills D, it happens 

[KDIGGZ]

Hoping for the best but he needs surgery then that could be the end of Poyer as a Buffalo Bill. I don't think they were going to re-sign him for the kind of $ his wife wants, uh I mean he wants. I think Jordan Phillips would get a contract before Jordan Poyer and Edmunds is probably their biggest contract this off-season. There's only so many of those big contracts to go around when your QB makes $45 mil per year and safety is way down the list

[BuffaloBillyG]

11 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Hoping for the best but he needs surgery then that could be the end of Poyer as a Buffalo Bill. I don't think they were going to re-sign him for the kind of $ his wife wants, uh I mean he wants. I think Jordan Phillips would get a contract before Jordan Poyer and Edmunds is probably their biggest contract this off-season. There's only so many of those big contracts to go around when your QB makes $45 mil per year and safety is way down the list

And I believe this was why Beane gave him a slight pay bump this year instead of a new contract. Those injuries are piling up. While he is an extremely important player on our defense...he's already missed multiple games. He's exited a couple others early due to injury. For a guy on the wrong side of 30...it's not the way to get the big new contract. If anything Beane may offer him a "prove it" deal IMO. 

 

Poyer is still good when available and playing through all the injury is a credit to what a warrior he is. But it's likely time to get younger at the position. Hope we can at least get him the ring he deserves as a parting gift. He's more than earned that.

[SectionC3]

40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But the safeties do much more than play safety in this scheme. It is too much inexperience back there IMO. No coincidence that the two big plays the Bills have given up on defense in 7 games have both come when both starting safeties were not there. If Poyer is done they need to try and bring in a true vet with some experience in similar defenses. That is why I throw Xavier Woods out there. There is carry over from Dan Quinn's scheme he played in last year in Dallas to what McDermott and Frazier do.

 

The last touchdown in particularly never should have happened.  

[boyst]

send a 6th to Atlanta for Dean Marlowe.

[SoCal Deek]

Sorry for not reading through everyone’s posts but have they said when he hurt it? I noticed that he completely whiffed on a couple of long runs up the middle and wondered while watching if he was protecting a shoulder. It turned out to be an elbow.

[KDIGGZ]

8 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

The last touchdown in particularly never should have happened.  

Poor technique by Hamlin. He spun around and lost track of the ball and the receiver. If he opened up his hips and kept the play in front of him he would see the receiver change direction 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I know it’s not a completely popular thought but I keep expecting when White comes back, that one of these corners is going to start at S. Between 27/24/47/30. You don’t want any of  them off the field. I bet that’s the answer if Poyer is done 

[BeastMaster]

I wonder if Xavier Rhodes would be a good fit at giving safety a shot? He's an experienced veteran that would probably benefit making such a move if he picked it up.

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But he does lock down one side of the field. That means you can shade coverage to the other side. For 3 years that is what we did. Tre shut his side down, we shaded coverage to Levi and told him to keep everything in front, give up as many 6 yard completions as necessary to avoid getting beat deep.

That is a more accurate description of what they did. They also played Poyer and Hyde in the box more with White. Now they are two deep the vast majority of the time.

20 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Poor technique by Hamlin. He spun around and lost track of the ball and the receiver. If he opened up his hips and kept the play in front of him he would see the receiver change direction 

That is much harder to do than you think. You are correct but its very hard to do and even the best turn and run with the WR especially that far down field.

[Rigotz]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Might have to add a safety to the trade list.

 

Maybe they move Benford to safety when Tre returns. Get that ball roll.

 

I've heard this from a few folks the past weeks.

 

So ... you want a 6th round rookie, who has never played safety in his career, to change positions mid-season and start? 

 

Do you think there could potentially be any issues there, considering our Safeties play some of the most complicated schemes in the NFL?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

13 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

 

I've heard this from a few folks the past weeks.

 

So ... you want a 6th round rookie, who has never played safety in his career, to change positions mid-season and start? 

 

Do you think there could potentially be any issues there, considering our Safeties play some of the most complicated schemes in the NFL?

I didn’t say anything about starting.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Jeremy White had a horrible take on this during the morning show.

 

He said he doesn’t want Beane to trade for a safety because it’s an “admission that the Bills have a problem”.

 

What kind of sense does that make? 
 

Jaquan Johnson is a problem Jeremy. He can’t run. And he’s going to be the reason you give up long touchdowns. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

Need some safety and OL depth.  I don't think Johnson can hold it down.  

[PetermansRedemption]

Any safeties available via trade? Minkah Fitzpatrick perhaps? Steelers are definitely out of it. 

[Back2Buff]

16 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Any safeties available via trade? Minkah Fitzpatrick perhaps? Steelers are definitely out of it. 

 

Johnathan Abram is definitely getting traded.  Hard hitter.  Would we be upgrade to Hamlin and Johnson.

[ShakAttack]

1 minute ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Johnathan Abram is definitely getting traded.  Hard hitter.  Would we be upgrade to Hamlin and Johnson.

hard hitter but terrible in coverage. Not sure he’s an upgrade. I lived near Oakland (until this year) so Raiders are kind of a secondary team for me and I can tell you Raiders fans love him as a hard hitter but hate his coverage skills. And I’m pretty sure coverage is where we want an upgrade in this case. He also has a problem with availability. Another thing we are already dealing with our safeties. Pass.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Johnathan Abram is definitely getting traded.  Hard hitter.  Would we be upgrade to Hamlin and Johnson.

He might be the worst cover S I’ve ever seen.  Dude makes so many mental mistakes and has cost the teams several times with his stupidity.  I’d be shocked if we traded for him.  Doesn’t seem like a scheme or character fit imo

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Eddie Jackson of the Bears?

 

Nate Geary floated that idea last night on the Postgame show. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Bills!Win!]

I don’t know why everyone is nervous. The bills played all of the hardest teams on their schedule in the first seven games. Not that there’s ever a perfect time for an injury but this is a good time to not have Poyer