Will this be the year Josh Allen joins the 5000 club?

[Lost]

For the first couple years of his career I didn't think it would ever happen, not because JA isn't capable but because the McD coaching style was supressing him to some extent.   McD has typically liked to slow the game down and switch to clock management mode running the ball anytime Bills got more than a 1 TD lead in games so allen never really saw those big 400yd games.   It seems the players mantra of not letting off the gas has started to rub off on McD this year.   For instance the Bills were still passing the ball even while up 31-3 against the Steelers 2 weeks ago.  

 

Anyway,  Josh is on pace for 5600 passing yards  and 48 TDs this season with the Easier half of their schedule coming up.  

[Greg S]

5 minutes ago, Lost said:

For the first couple years of his career I didn't think it would ever happen, not because JA isn't capable but because the McD coaching style was supressing him to some extent.   McD has typically liked to slow the game down and switch to clock management mode running the ball anytime Bills got more than a 1 TD lead in games so allen never really saw those big 400yd games.   It seems the players mantra of not letting off the gas has started to rub off on McD this year.   For instance the Bills were still passing the ball even while up 31-3 against the Steelers 2 weeks ago.  

 

Anyway,  Josh is on pace for 5600 passing yards  and 48 TDs this season with the Easier half of their schedule coming up.  

 

Dorsey seems to be a more aggressive OC. I don't think the Bills took as many shots down the field with Daboll as they are this year. Throw in the fact that we now play a 17 game season I would expect records to fall all around the league. Josh throwing for over 5,000 yards is a good bet.

[StHustle]

Nowadays it seems like an off game if JA doesn’t get at least 300 yards. Because passing the ball so much has become engrained in our offense’s DNA, I believe Josh will average over 300 ypg and indeed join the 5000 club this year. 
 

That’s pretty amazing considering the fact he didn’t have his first 300 yard game until his 3rd season.

 

I’m contrast, Kenny Pickett had a 300 yard passing game his first start and so many other rookie starting QBs get their first one relatively quickly.

[Matt_In_NH]

15 minutes ago, Lost said:

For the first couple years of his career I didn't think it would ever happen, not because JA isn't capable but because the McD coaching style was supressing him to some extent.   McD has typically liked to slow the game down and switch to clock management mode running the ball anytime Bills got more than a 1 TD lead in games so allen never really saw those big 400yd games.   It seems the players mantra of not letting off the gas has started to rub off on McD this year.   For instance the Bills were still passing the ball even while up 31-3 against the Steelers 2 weeks ago.  

 

Anyway,  Josh is on pace for 5600 passing yards  and 48 TDs this season with the Easier half of their schedule coming up.  

 

I would say there is a great chance we see 5000 yards this year.   There is no doubt McDermott has evolved and allowed the offense to keep the foot on the gas but that is not new this year, it happened last year and the year before also.   How much of that is related to the competence/confidence in the offense vs a change in philosophy could be debated.   Obviously the Steelers game is an exception to that but if you look at Josh's other 400 yard games there were a couple in Miami that went to the end.  And I am not sure he was being suppressed, the overall talent level was low his first two years on offense.  Josh Allen has continually improved his game which has allowed this stuff to happen.  More than anything Josh Allen's work ethic and competitiveness is responsible for the level of offense we are seeing IMO.

Edited October 18, 2022 by Matt_In_NH

[SMAKCruiser]

I am going to say no due to the questionable weather in Orchard Park in Nov/Dec.  

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

I want to see JA have a 500 yrd game

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Could depend on how many 3rd and 4th quarters he actually plays? The Steeler game could’ve added another couple hundred yards to his total? 

[Solomon Grundy]

Not if he keeps sitting out 4th quarters

Edited October 18, 2022 by Solomon Grundy

[BullBuchanan]

Lots of QBs should join it with the bonus game.

[Big Turk]

Considering he is on pace to break the NFL passing yards record with over 5600, I would say yes.

1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Could depend on how many 3rd and 4th quarters he actually plays? The Steeler game could’ve added another couple hundred yards to his total? 

 

Yeah, this is a good point...our schedule gets considerably weaker after GB.

[MiltonWaddams]

24 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Considering he is on pace to break the NFL passing yards record with over 5600, I would say yes.

 

Yeah, this is a good point...our schedule gets considerably weaker after GB.

Green Bay has proved itself to be included in the weaker part of the schedule. Mr DMT has gone loopy.

[PromoTheRobot]

Is there an asterisk if Josh doesn't reach 5K in 16 games?

[Billz4ever]

26 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Considering he is on pace to break the NFL passing yards record with over 5600, I would say yes.

 

Yeah, this is a good point...our schedule gets considerably weaker after GB.

Not sure it's as easy as we initially thought.  Both the Pats and Jets have exceeded expectations by a lot up to this point.

[Max Fischer]

2 hours ago, Lost said:

For the first couple years of his career I didn't think it would ever happen, not because JA isn't capable but because the McD coaching style was supressing him to some extent.   McD has typically liked to slow the game down and switch to clock management mode running the ball anytime Bills got more than a 1 TD lead in games so allen never really saw those big 400yd games.   It seems the players mantra of not letting off the gas has started to rub off on McD this year.   For instance the Bills were still passing the ball even while up 31-3 against the Steelers 2 weeks ago.  

 

Anyway,  Josh is on pace for 5600 passing yards  and 48 TDs this season with the Easier half of their schedule coming up.  

 

McD was "suppressing" Allen?  McD switched to the run with a 1 TD lead? The "players" influenced McD?  What the &**%$ are you talking about?

 

This premise is ridiculous. 

 

[billybob71]

6000 club?

[Big Turk]

9 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Not sure it's as easy as we initially thought.  Both the Pats and Jets have exceeded expectations by a lot up to this point.

 

It's 24th toughest in the NFL, easiest in our division.  Jets have the hardest remaining schedule.  

 

I mean the Jets have been a nice story but they beat the Browns with a backup QB with a miracle finish because Chubb wants to pad stats instead of win games, The Steelers on the last play of the game, the Dolphins with a 3rd string rookie QB in his first game, and the Packers on the road which is a good win but really, what is GB this year?  They have looked terrible for the most part.

 

I need to see more from them before I'm going to buy into it.  They play the Broncos next week which could be an ugly ugly game for offense.

 

The Pats are...well meh.  They have no answers for Josh Allen and their offense does not scare me at all.  They run the ball, so what?  Bills have the best run D in the NFL currently.  They have beaten the Lions, Browns and Steelers...not exactly world beaters with a combined record of 5-12.

Edited October 18, 2022 by Big Turk

[Billz4ever]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

It's 24th toughest in the NFL, easiest in our division.  Jets have the hardest remaining schedule.  

 

I mean the Jets have been a nice story but they beat the Browns with a backup QB with a miracle finish because Chubb wants to pad stats instead of win games, The Steelers on the last play of the game, the Dolphins with a 3rd string rookie QB in his first game, and the Packers on the road which is a good win but really, what is GB this year?  They have looked terrible for the most part.

 

I need to see more from them before I'm going to buy into it.  They play the Broncos next week which could be an ugly ugly game for offense.

 

The Pats are...well meh.  They have no answers for Josh Allen and their offense does not scare me at all.  They run the ball, so what?  Bills have the best run D in the NFL currently.  They have beaten the Lions, Browns and Steelers...not exactly world beaters with a combined record of 5-12.

I'm not saying I don't think we won't beat them.  All I'm saying is I don't think neither the team nor the fans should underestimate them.

[No_Matter_What]

2 hours ago, StHustle said:

Nowadays it seems like an off game if JA doesn’t get at least 300 yards. Because passing the ball so much has become engrained in our offense’s DNA, I believe Josh will average over 300 ypg and indeed join the 5000 club this year. 
 

That’s pretty amazing considering the fact he didn’t have his first 300 yard game until his 3rd season.

 

I’m contrast, Kenny Pickett had a 300 yard passing game his first start and so many other rookie starting QBs get their first one relatively quickly.

 

Looking back this is really crazy. Not only he didn't have 300 yard game in the first two seasons, he didn't even get close - his best game was 266y.

 

17 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Is there an asterisk if Josh doesn't reach 5K in 16 games?

For me, yes. But there is an easy solution to this - reach 5000 in the first 16 games.

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

I'm not saying I don't think we won't beat them.  All I'm saying is I don't think neither the team nor the fans should underestimate them.

 

They are both similar to the Bills when they were 6-10 or 7-9

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

They are both similar to the Bills when they were 6-10 or 7-9

Teams like that typically tend to fall into the dangerous category in my experience.  They will beat teams throughout the year they weren't supposed to.

[K-9]

He’s certainly more than capable, but he will be handicapped a few times along the way by crappy weather games that just won’t allow lots of passing yards. It’s just a fact of life playing in the northeast during fall and winter. 

[Mango]

With a 17th game and averaging 330 yards 6 games (but 21 quarters), I would be shocked if he didn't break 5000 yards. Right now his PYPG is on pace to have the ~5th best season ever. 

[damj]

2 hours ago, SMAKCruiser said:

I am going to say no due to the questionable weather in Orchard Park in Nov/Dec.  

 

Josh will just B word slap Mother Nature and keep slinging. He was able to throw through the wind against the Pats last year. They just waited too long to let him try

 

I like him hitting 5K.

[Big Turk]

14 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Teams like that typically tend to fall into the dangerous category in my experience.  They will beat teams throughout the year they weren't supposed to.

 

Yeah maybe, or they will get trounced 😅

[Billz4ever]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Yeah maybe, or they will get trounced 😅

Hopefully the latter, lol.

[Ya Digg?]

3 hours ago, StHustle said:

Nowadays it seems like an off game if JA doesn’t get at least 300 yards. Because passing the ball so much has become engrained in our offense’s DNA, I believe Josh will average over 300 ypg and indeed join the 5000 club this year. 
 

That’s pretty amazing considering the fact he didn’t have his first 300 yard game until his 3rd season.

 

I’m contrast, Kenny Pickett had a 300 yard passing game his first start and so many other rookie starting QBs get their first one relatively quickly.

There’s also a HUGE difference between who Josh threw to his first year and who Pickett is throwing to

[BigDingus]

Remember when people used to defend lack of 300 yard passing games or Tyrod's 60 yard outings? 😅

 

It's a passing league, & clearly a sign of a competent offense. Now here we are talking about one of OUR QBs possibly breaking 5000 yards!

 

Oh how the times have changed 😁

[SMAKCruiser]

21 minutes ago, damj said:

 

Josh will just B word slap Mother Nature and keep slinging. He was able to throw through the wind against the Pats last year. They just waited too long to let him try

 

I like him hitting 5K.

He threw for a 145 yards on that windy MNF game against NE.    The playoff game wasn't windy at all, just cold.

[Boatdrinks]

4 hours ago, SMAKCruiser said:

I am going to say no due to the questionable weather in Orchard Park in Nov/Dec.  

I think he could still do it, but the weather in OP - with much of our home schedule yet to play - will be a limiting factor for sure. 

[Herc11]

4 hours ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

I want to see JA have a 500 yrd game

 

With our defense, I don't think this will happen. 500 yd games are typically shoot outs. As long as this defense keeps playing like they are, Josh will continue to be pulled when they are putting up anywhere close to those kind of stats.

[FilthyBeast]

I'm going to say no if anything because there's likely going to be at least a few more games where he's pulled early like the Titans/Steelers games. Will probably see a lot more of Singletary and Cook down the stretch as well.

 

I think he'll probably get very close though, like 4800 - 4900 yards.

[loyal2dagame]

2 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

 

Looking back this is really crazy. Not only he didn't have 300 yard game in the first two seasons, he didn't even get close - his best game was 266y.

 

 

It's not that crazy. Most of his receivers from his first few years aren't even in the NFL anymore. And they dropped a crap load if passes.

Allen not having a 300yd game wasn't directly because if him. 

Edited October 18, 2022 by loyal2dagame

[mrags]

2 hours ago, billybob71 said:

6000 club?

I was actually going to comment this. There’s a chance he could be the first one ever to do it. I get that we pull him when we’re up by big scores. I get that we have to play in Buffalo in the winter. But right now he is on pace to break the all time record and we just finished the hardest part of our schedule. 

[Billsatlastin2018]

My chips are going ALL IN ON EVERYTHING this year!

 

That would be… in order:

 

Bills First SB Win!

Winning another AFC Championship at Orchard Park

The Unicorn Winning the MVP!

Throwing for 5000 yards, 45 TDs & Rushing for 600 yards, 7 TDs.

 

 

I don’t know whether the rest of you are following along with the ALL TIME QB STATS.

 

I have been since last year.

 

Should Allen achieve 5000 Passing yards this year, he will move up to # 121 All Time, tying Daryl Lamonica (11 years) with 19,154.

Should he throw for 47 TDs,he will move up to # 91 ALL TIME, tied with Bart Starr (16) & Billy Kilmer (17).

Should he RUN for 600 yards, he will move up to #13 All Time for QBs, just behind Tobin Rote at 3128 yards.

Should he Run for 7 TDs, he will move to #3 All Time with 40 TDs, behind Cam Newton & Steve Young (43).

Should he Pass for a 1000 yards in the 3 Playoff Games, Allen will reach #22 All Time,right behind Roger Staubach (2791).

Should he Pass for 10 TDs in those Playoff Games, Allen will reach #15 Staubach - again with 24.

 

The sky is the limit with his freakish God given talents! 

 

And after almost a generation of stiffs, bums, 4th and stupid HCs, GMs who knew your Grandfather, this year’s Bills are almost jaw dropping,head spinning,off the charts, never seen before, fantastic!

 

And we deserve to enjoy every moment!

[C.Biscuit97]

With all due respect, who cares? Actually might be better if he doesn’t because that means we benched him in blowouts or we are running the ball to kill the clock. 
 

allen is an absolute beast but things like the 5,000 yard mark is nothing now. Stafford has multiple ones. Dak has one. I hate him but Marino’s 5,000 yard season is the only one that really matters because it was such an outliner to his counterparts.

[JDubya76]

4 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

I'm not saying I don't think we won't beat them.  All I'm saying is I don't think neither the team nor the fans should underestimate them.

The fans can do whatever they want, the team will not underestimate them, it’s not in their makeup.

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

I'm going to say no if anything because there's likely going to be at least a few more games where he's pulled early like the Titans/Steelers games. Will probably see a lot more of Singletary and Cook down the stretch as well.

 

I think he'll probably get very close though, like 4800 - 4900 yards.

But not Tua numbers, right?

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, JDubya76 said:

The fans can do whatever they want, the team will not underestimate them, it’s not in their makeup.

Given a couple of their losses last year against teams they should've beaten, I wouldn't call that entirely accurate.  Those losses cost them homefield.

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

I'm going to say no if anything because there's likely going to be at least a few more games where he's pulled early like the Titans/Steelers games. Will probably see a lot more of Singletary and Cook down the stretch as well.

 

I think he'll probably get very close though, like 4800 - 4900 yards.

He had 300+ and 400+ yards in those two games he was pulled.

[FilthyBeast]

12 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

He had 300+ and 400+ yards in those two games he was pulled.

 

Yes but to my point about seeing more of the RB's down the stretch is why Allen might not necessarily post ungodly numbers every week, even in a blowout.

 

Would certainly be great to see him shatter the single season records though.

[mrags]

1 hour ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

My chips are going ALL IN ON EVERYTHING this year!

 

That would be… in order:

 

Bills First SB Win!

Winning another AFC Championship at Orchard Park

The Unicorn Winning the MVP!

Throwing for 5000 yards, 45 TDs & Rushing for 600 yards, 7 TDs.

 

 

I don’t know whether the rest of you are following along with the ALL TIME QB STATS.

 

I have been since last year.

 

Should Allen achieve 5000 Passing yards this year, he will move up to # 121 All Time, tying Daryl Lamonica (11 years) with 19,154.

Should he throw for 47 TDs,he will move up to # 91 ALL TIME, tied with Bart Starr (16) & Billy Kilmer (17).

Should he RUN for 600 yards, he will move up to #13 All Time for QBs, just behind Tobin Rote at 3128 yards.

Should he Run for 7 TDs, he will move to #3 All Time with 40 TDs, behind Cam Newton & Steve Young (43).

Should he Pass for a 1000 yards in the 3 Playoff Games, Allen will reach #22 All Time,right behind Roger Staubach (2791).

Should he Pass for 10 TDs in those Playoff Games, Allen will reach #15 Staubach - again with 24.

 

The sky is the limit with his freakish God given talents! 

 

And after almost a generation of stiffs, bums, 4th and stupid HCs, GMs who knew your Grandfather, this year’s Bills are almost jaw dropping,head spinning,off the charts, never seen before, fantastic!

 

And we deserve to enjoy every moment!

All of this. I’d like to say I’ve always thought that Allen would finish #1 in franchise rushing TDs, and probably #3 in franchise rushing yards. Not bad considering Thomas and OJ have over 10K each