Update: Xavier Rhodes signed by Bills

[HOUSE]

Did we ever sign a corner that people actually like around here?

 

No...

[JoPoy88]

7 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Did we ever sign a corner that people actually like around here?

 

No...

Of course not

[DJB]

20 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Did we ever sign a corner that people actually like around here?

 

No...

No because Beane also forgot his wallet 

[John from Riverside]

Xavier Rhodes is what he is a older veteran Corner who has played in Frazier system at this point in the season that’s about the best you’re going to get

2 minutes ago, DJB said:

No because Beane also forgot his wallet 

Since when has bean forgot his wallet on worthwhile players

Edited September 28, 2022 by John from Riverside

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

Happy to see him signed today.  Didn’t have a good feeling about it happening if he left town.  
 

what’s up with Cam Lewis? Is he strictly a S/slot now?  I figured he would’ve taken the snaps at corner over Ingram.  Or Neal?  Is he strictly slot?  Is Ingram really a better option than either of these guys who have been in the system for a few years?  Maybe we found a Diamond in the rough.  

I remember Poyer going out of his way to talk about Ingram during camp.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

20 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

But just for the first half.

He owes us a second half though 😂

[Real McClappy]

Hope he doesn't retire at halftime.

[zow2]

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I remember Poyer going out of his way to talk about Ingram during camp.

 

I don't even recall Ingram being a factor at UB all that much.  Maybe he was hurt? I don't know.  I recall Cam Lewis being very good.

 

Some of the older Vets would come to Buffalo, chasing rings!

[Matt_In_NH]

Hopefully this vet CB does better than ones in the past.

[eball]

Solid stopgap measure.

 

[Big Turk]

32 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Hopefully this vet CB does better than ones in the past.

 

EJ Gaines was really really good when healthy

[Coach Tuesday]

Have always liked Rhodes and wanted them to sign him when he left Minny.  But he looked washed in Indy, hopefully he’s in shape and can run.

[Billzgobowlin]

This to me is the best case scenario.  Rhodes is savy and even if he has lost a step he can definitely provide veteran leadership since we have very few back there that have spent a year starting in the system.  I can see him switching over to Safety at some point if Dane and Tre come back soon.

[Kaenon]

Xavier is good because he can play corner and safety, with respect to whomever else is out on the market.

 

[streetkings01]

Who doesn’t like former Noles in Buffalo lol

 

#FearTheSpear

[Simon Says]

21 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Right...especially if they are not IR'ing anyone.

 

Can you name one team that has better OLine depth than the Bills had with positional flexibility?  I'll wait.  

And risk losing him if another team poaches him off the PS? That is my concern at this point. 

[Big Turk]

Just now, Herb Nightly said:

And risk losing him if another team poaches him off the PS? That is my concern at this point. 

 

Uhh...he was a UFA all off season and went unsigned when a team could have literally signed him at any point.

 

 

[Bills!Win!]

I’m assuming they were able to afford him because he signed for veteran minimum? 

[Simon Says]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Uhh...he was a UFA all off season and went unsigned when a team could have literally signed him at any point.

 

 

Uhhhh ...and now that the season started, players are getting hurt.  My point is that he has no value on the PS if Bills need depth on the 53. Can we assume Dane will be coming back this week,or maybe Bills are comfortable with Lewis and/or Neal outside, across from Elam?

19 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Are you asking me or telling me?

 

I was just looking at it in terms of the "lost playing time" vs "cap hit" aspect of it.

Their cap hit still "counts" which is why Beane likes to have some cap money available for emergencies. I imagine he looked into a trade but they can apparently afford Murray and Rhodes.

[Matt_In_NH]

57 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

EJ Gaines was really really good when healthy

I was thinking more V Davis and J Norman (former pro bowlers).   You are right EJ Gaines worked out for a year but he was younger and maybe a little more hungry and an older vet who has made significant NFL dollars.

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I was thinking more V Davis and J Norman (former pro bowlers).   You are right EJ Gaines worked out for a year but he was younger and maybe a little more hungry and an older vet who has made significant NFL dollars.

 

Norman was serviceable and helped win a game with a fumble recovery...he was at the very least far better than he was with Washington.

 

Vontae just didn't have it anymore physically by his own admission.

Edited September 28, 2022 by Big Turk

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I was thinking more V Davis and J Norman (former pro bowlers).   You are right EJ Gaines worked out for a year but he was younger and maybe a little more hungry and an older vet who has made significant NFL dollars.

 

Norman wasn't that bad was he?  Him and Jackson both had some starts and played when white and wallace missed time in 2020. 

[whorlnut]

8 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

When? Other than Dion & Mitch pretty much every other OL position has been a revolving door.l

I totally agree. I was never once impressed by the “depth” at oline. Dawkins and Morse are our only steady players in the entire group. Everyone else could be upgraded. 
 

It really is a shame that Beane and McD patch a line together and don’t try to make it elite for our franchise qb. I think it’s this shortsighted mistake that could cost us more this year than anything on defense. 

[Matt_In_NH]

20 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Norman wasn't that bad was he?  Him and Jackson both had some starts and played when white and wallace missed time in 2020. 

He was banged up a fair amount and otherwise got tossed by Henry   He was adequate when he played I think.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, Matt_In_NH said:

He was banged up a fair amount and otherwise got tossed by Henry   He was adequate when he played I think.

 

Sigh - they held on the play!! He had a nice fumble punch. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Should be a solid pickup if he can stay healthy 

[HopelessNJBuffaloFan]

But can he be ready by Sunday? 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

I totally agree. I was never once impressed by the “depth” at oline. Dawkins and Morse are our only steady players in the entire group. Everyone else could be upgraded. 
 

It really is a shame that Beane and McD patch a line together and don’t try to make it elite for our franchise qb. I think it’s this shortsighted mistake that could cost us more this year than anything on defense. 

Which teams OL depth were you “impressed” with?

[BearNorth]

1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

I totally agree. I was never once impressed by the “depth” at oline. Dawkins and Morse are our only steady players in the entire group. Everyone else could be upgraded. 
 

This is a league wide problem I think.  When I see Feliciano starting at C for the Giants, I just think OL depth is a problem everywhere.  Cinci spent a fortune trying to upgrade their OL to protect Burrow, and he's been sacked 15 times in 3 games, on pace for 85 for the year.

[Jauronimo]

3 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

This is a league wide problem I think.  When I see Feliciano starting at C for the Giants, I just think OL depth is a problem everywhere.  Cinci spent a fortune trying to upgrade their OL to protect Burrow, and he's been sacked 15 times in 3 games, on pace for 85 for the year.

 

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

This is a league wide problem I think.  When I see Feliciano starting at C for the Giants, I just think OL depth is a problem everywhere.  Cinci spent a fortune trying to upgrade their OL to protect Burrow, and he's been sacked 15 times in 3 games, on pace for 85 for the year.

 

I think Cinci's problem may lie just as much with Burrow as it does the OL, re: Sacks/Pressure

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

 

I think Cinci's problem may lie just as much with Burrow as it does the OL, re: Sacks/Pressure

It does and they also haven’t been able to get the run game going 

[uninja]

2 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

This is a league wide problem I think.  When I see Feliciano starting at C for the Giants, I just think OL depth is a problem everywhere.  Cinci spent a fortune trying to upgrade their OL to protect Burrow, and he's been sacked 15 times in 3 games, on pace for 85 for the year.

Building a good OL requires so much effort. Having a good/great OL with good depth is even harder. 
 

I think only really the Cowboys and the Eagles have lines that are better than good. They’ve also invested multiple first round picks into those projects, at the expense of team building elsewhere. 
 

I think given the circumstances the Bills have done better than okay. We have an anchor at C and a franchise LT. Spencer Brown is very promising but I’ll reserve judgment until after the season. Bates has shown above average guard play and positional flexibility. Saffold should be good between Dawkins and Morse, but again. I’ll reserve judgment because the sample size is too small atm. 

 

I think everyone complaining about our line play and depth issues isn’t watching the other games. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

I totally agree. I was never once impressed by the “depth” at oline. Dawkins and Morse are our only steady players in the entire group. Everyone else could be upgraded. 
 

It really is a shame that Beane and McD patch a line together and don’t try to make it elite for our franchise qb. I think it’s this shortsighted mistake that could cost us more this year than anything on defense. 

So…..which teams OL depth are you impressed with?

 

None? Interesting.  

[TheBrownBear]

34 minutes ago, uninja said:

Building a good OL requires so much effort. Having a good/great OL with good depth is even harder. 
 

I think only really the Cowboys and the Eagles have lines that are better than good. They’ve also invested multiple first round picks into those projects, at the expense of team building elsewhere. 
 

I think given the circumstances the Bills have done better than okay. We have an anchor at C and a franchise LT. Spencer Brown is very promising but I’ll reserve judgment until after the season. Bates has shown above average guard play and positional flexibility. Saffold should be good between Dawkins and Morse, but again. I’ll reserve judgment because the sample size is too small atm. 

 

I think everyone complaining about our line play and depth issues isn’t watching the other games. 

I agree and we were mostly fine the first two games, despite Donald and Simmons pushing us around a bit.  We were horrible on Sunday, but there were obviously entenuating circumstances.  It's too much to expect to be able to go 2 (or 3) deep at every OL position without a significant dropoff.

 

Also, I'm not going to pretend that our run game has been good, but it's worth noting that the Rams and Titans were two of the better run defenses in the NFL last year, so it made sense to focus on attacking them in the passing game.  The Dolphins game just needs to be thrown out due to the injuries.

Edited September 28, 2022 by TheBrownBear

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

So…..which teams OL depth are you impressed with?

 

None? Interesting.  

That's just it. I've asked for an example of a team that would withstand an injury to their RT or C and not miss a beat. That have no answer because that team doesn't exist.

[whorlnut]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

So…..which teams OL depth are you impressed with?

 

None? Interesting.  

If you think ours is ok and just want to argue, then whatever. I see a line that could use upgrades at all but two spots. If you don’t hold the same opinion then good for you. 

[Low Positive]

19 minutes ago, uninja said:

Building a good OL requires so much effort. Having a good/great OL with good depth is even harder. 
 

I think only really the Cowboys and the Eagles have lines that are better than good. They’ve also invested multiple first round picks into those projects, at the expense of team building elsewhere. 
 

I think given the circumstances the Bills have done better than okay. We have an anchor at C and a franchise LT. Spencer Brown is very promising but I’ll reserve judgment until after the season. Bates has shown above average guard play and positional flexibility. Saffold should be good between Dawkins and Morse, but again. I’ll reserve judgment because the sample size is too small atm. 

 

I think everyone complaining about our line play and depth issues isn’t watching the other games. 

First of all, the Cowboys line is not nearly as good as it was in years past. But, your point is still valid. The pass rushers are getting better and better and OL play is dropping across the league. This is because:

• OL is hard to evaluate because HS and college football is all read option or single-read spread offenses. No one has to hold a pass block.
• What kid grows up dreaming of being an OL? Everybody else on the field gets to do something fun, but OL just has to block, not hold and pray not to be noticed. 

[Big Turk]

40 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Which teams OL depth were you “impressed” with?

 

Pretty much my point...in almost every game I have watched week in and week out, when I see a backup OLine player come in they get abused almost immediately.

[TheBrownBear]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Pretty much my point...in almost every game I have watched week in and week out, when I see a backup OLine player come in they get abused almost immediately.

Yes, and that's why you always hear the play-by-play guys point out the need to roll extra help towards those backups with a RB or TE.  And that's just when a single guy is missing from the line.  You lose 4 guys and it's going to be an absolute jailbreak on every play. 

Edited September 28, 2022 by TheBrownBear