YoloinOhio Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) Edited September 30, 2022 by YoloinOhio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 And somehow Tua ain't. 1 7 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Hopefully he'll clear and be ready for Sunday. If not, does Hart get the nod? He had a good camp and was playing well at guard, but it still gives me some cause for concern if he's starting on the OL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Just give Tua’s guy a call, he will be cleared in no time 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 All good, he should be cleared in half an hour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Just now, Back2Buff said: And somehow Tua ain't. He had a back injury. 😉 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Just now, Back2Buff said: And somehow Tua ain't. Tua claimed it was his back that got hurt when he went down and he kinda hyperextended it...not sure I have ever seen someone hold their head exactly like they do when the back of the helmet hits the ground and they have a concussion and it be their back but sure Tua...we believe you. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Just now, Big Turk said: Tua claimed it was his back that got hurt when he went down and he kinda hyperextended it...not sure I have ever seen someone hold their head exactly like they do when the back of the helmet hits the ground and they have a concussion and it be their back but sure Tua...we believe you. I said as much in another thread That was not a “bad back” walk. when you go down you don’t get up easily 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Just now, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: I said as much in another thread That was not a “bad back” walk. when you go down you don’t get up easily The NFLPA clearly isn't buying it either 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, msw2112 said: He had a back injury. 😉 I saw Mike Tyson give lots of guys back injuries in the late 80s/early 90s then 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Bates was actually the most scary for me when I seen him kneeling down. His face was so red and he looked so out of it. I thought it was just heat and I actually told my dad it looked like he was about to pass out. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: And somehow Tua ain't. Tua had less to be concusionned. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Give him 20 min, he’ll be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) The Phins locker room is enjoying the win right now but every player on that team knows the organization sent Tua back out there with absolutely no regard for his well being and placed winning a game ahead of Tua's health. That's a little seed that is going to grow in the back of their minds every time they have an injury and have to deal with the Dolphins medical staff. The team has shown where they stand on taking care of their players. If the Dolphins coaching staff, medical team, and front office is willing to sacrifice their starting QB for short term gain, they know that everyone else on that roster is completely expendable. It was a horrific move by the Dolphins to put Tua back out there. You know it's something that would have never happened in our organization and that's why players want to play in Buffalo. Edited September 26, 2022 by Inigo Montoya 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, msw2112 said: He had a back injury. 😉 Said NOBODY who watched that game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Inigo Montoya said: The Phins locker room is enjoying the win right now but every player on that team knows the organization sent Tua back out there with absolutely no regard for his well being and placed winning a game ahead of Tua's health. That's a little seed that is going to grow in the back of their minds every time they have an injury and have to deal with the Dolphins medical staff. The team has shown where they stand on taking care of their players. If the Dolphins coaching and front office is willing to sacrifice their starting QB for short term gain, they know that everyone else on that roster is complegtely expendable. It was a horrific move by the Dolphins to put Tua back out there. You know it's something that would have never happened in our organization and that's why players want to play in Buffalo. In their defence (I feel dirty) an unafilliated doctor is required to check and clear any player who leaves the pitch with beleived concussion. Peter King stated that the doctor saw Tua before he returned to the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Tua came up shaking his head, clearly trying to get the cobwebs out. Then couldn’t walk! How he came back to play in that game is beyond embarrassing for the Dr. That cleared him. If he had a lower back injury wouldn’t he have reached for his back in pain? Not shake his head several times and look woozy. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 For the record Tua didn't necessarily win the game. 1 TD the second hald and he really only had one good play. Bridgewater probably would have been better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said: For the record Tua didn't necessarily win the game. 1 TD the second hald and he really only had one good play. Bridgewater probably would have been better Other than the 3 & 22, Tua didn't look overly comfortable out there. It's why I thought he was still concussed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 This is unbelievable. Do we have any players left to roll out a 53 man roster on Sunday? Crazy, never seen anything like this! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: In their defence (I feel dirty) an unafilliated doctor is required to check and clear any player who leaves the pitch with beleived concussion. Peter King stated that the doctor saw Tua before he returned to the game. That's true. They are supposed to be there to protect the player from the team doctor being more concerned about the team than the player. In this instance it didn't work. The Dolphins knew he was concussed, they saw the same replay we did. I have no doubt that if any member of the Bills, whether Josh Allen or a back up special teamer, got their bell rung like that and couldn't even make it off the field on their own, our coaches would never allow them back into the game. Say what you will about McDermott the coach, but I don't think anyone believes he would have put one of his players back out there in that situation. Edited September 26, 2022 by Inigo Montoya 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 20 minutes ago, msw2112 said: He had a back injury. 😉 8 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said: Said NOBODY who watched that game! I actually did say that he hurt his back at one point. He got jammed hard on a sneak and it definitely jarred his spine. It was about a half hour before his concussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 24 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: That was not a “bad back” walk. That was barely a walk at all. He was a light-heavyweight about to collapse. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haslett_Stomp Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 28 minutes ago, msw2112 said: He had a back injury. 😉 I strained my lower back on Saturday, have put heat on it consistently and can still hardly move. No way that was a back injury given the way he got up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Haslett_Stomp said: I strained my lower back on Saturday, have put heat on it consistently and can still hardly move. No way that was a back injury given the way he got up. The biggest tell is also when he got up and stumbled there was a lot of head shaking and unsteady side-side movement - notably lacking was any reaching for his back at all - has anyone in hstory who ever hurt or threw out their back not reached and put their hands on their back involuntarily Edited September 26, 2022 by stevewin 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 18 minutes ago, wppete said: This is unbelievable. Do we have any players left to roll out a 53 man roster on Sunday? Crazy, never seen anything like this! Not since the drought anyways 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Every player in the NFL misses the rest of the game and then in protocol and maybe miss next game too. But Tua back on the field faster than you can get a pizza delivered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) On 9/26/2022 at 4:08 PM, Simon said: I actually did say that he hurt his back at one point. He got jammed hard on a sneak and it definitely jarred his spine. It was about a half hour before his concussion. This argument kills me, and I'm not saying that you're making it. The argument is apparently that it wasn't a head injury, just a spine injury, nothing to worry about there. What kind of injury to your spine renders your legs too weak to stand or walk? If I was taking care of a patient in the ER who came in with a back injury from a football game that was bad enough that he was left temporarily unable to walk, that patient would be heading for CT and MRI to rule out a spinal cord injury. In this case it's clear Tua and the Dolphins are lying, it was clearly a head injury from watching the replay, but let's just say that Tua is being honest here for a minute. Can you imagine the conversation with the unaffiliated neurotrauma specialist in the locker room; Tua; "Hey doc, I hurt my back really bad and my legs didn't work for a bit. Nothing to worry about there. It's not my brain that's injured, it's just my spinal cord." Doctor; "We'll that's a whole 'nother story! Back into the game with you then! I was worried you had something serious like a concussion." Tua; "Gee thanks Doc! Who needs a stupid old spinal cord anyways!" Edited September 28, 2022 by Inigo Montoya 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Inigo Montoya said: This argument kills me, and I'm not saying that you're making it. The argument is apparently that it wasn't a head injury, just a spine injury, nothing to worry about there. What kind of injury to your spine renders your legs too weak to stand or walk? If I was taking care of a patient in the ER who came in with a back injury from a football game that was bad enough that he was left temporarily unable to walk, that patient would be heading for CT and MRI to rule out a spinal cord injury. In this case it's clear Tua and the Dolphins are lying, it was clearly a head injury from watching the replay, but let's just say that Tua is being honest here for a minute. Can you imagine the conversation with the unaffiliated neurotrauma specialist in the locker room; Tua; "Hey doc, I hurt by back really bad and my legs didn't work for a bit. Nothing to worry about there. It's not my brain that's injured, it's just my spinal cord." Doctor; "We'll that's a whole 'nother story! Back into the game with you then! I was worried you had something serious like a concussion." Tua; "Gee thanks Doc! Who needs a stupid old spinal cord anyways!" Tua: Thanks, Marilyn Monroe. *Stumbles out of medical room* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 31 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Bates was actually the most scary for me when I seen him kneeling down. His face was so red and he looked so out of it. I thought it was just heat and I actually told my dad it looked like he was about to pass out. I have no proof of this, but I still think it was the heat. Strenuous exercise in that heat will give you a headache, make you dizzy and disoriented. Put that all together and they have to put him on the protocol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 18 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: That was barely a walk at all. He was a light-heavyweight about to collapse. i joked yesterday that his Protocol baseline Test must have been taken while Drunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 52 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: And somehow Tua ain't. Honestly though, as somebody who had a terrible back problem at one point in my life, the explanation made perfect sense once I heard it. It's nerve pain, and it really can be severe enough to just totally buckle you like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, pigpen65 said: Honestly though, as somebody who had a terrible back problem at one point in my life, the explanation made perfect sense once I heard it. It's nerve pain, and it really can be severe enough to just totally buckle you like that Back pain sucks, no argument there. When your back was bad could you have sat up from lying back on the ground like he did and then stand up and start walking with your back in spasm? My wife has had back issues and when it is bad it is the changing of body position that kills her, from lying to sitting, from sitting to standing, that's when it's the most painful. I just don't think the video looks like a back injury to me. I hope your back stays healthy... 🍻 Edited September 26, 2022 by Inigo Montoya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 54 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Bates was actually the most scary for me when I seen him kneeling down. His face was so red and he looked so out of it. I thought it was just heat and I actually told my dad it looked like he was about to pass out. The fact that he was red and sweating was a good sign for heat exhaustion. When they're pasty and dry, that's heat stroke, bad news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, pigpen65 said: Honestly though, as somebody who had a terrible back problem at one point in my life, the explanation made perfect sense once I heard it. It's nerve pain, and it really can be severe enough to just totally buckle you like that I've had 4 spinal surgeries, two of them when I was still playing ball and I know exactly what you mean. But I also know exactly what that spasm looks like on a ball field; and it don't look like that. When those buckle you, you head straight for the ground as fast as you can get there; you don't try to keep standing and fail. That boy's brain bounced of the back of his skull and I bet my house he's got a hell of a headache right this minute. 21 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: The argument is apparently that it wasn't a head injury, just a spine injury, nothing to worry about there. What kind of injury to your spine renders your legs too weak to stand or walk? I never even thought about it like that. That's hideously funny. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: The way Bates got tossed around like a rag doll on that play makes me think he might have already been concussed prior to that. Then again, just about everybody on the offensive line looked like they could barely do anything against the Fins there. Did they have Dawkins lined up outside the right tackle there? He didn't even seem to know what the snap was. They left Morris on the left to block Jaelan Phillips, and it went about as well as you might expect. The only guy who looked okay was Saffold, who pulled to the right and didn't have to do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Shaw66 said: That was barely a walk at all. He was a light-heavyweight about to collapse. The whole crew on ESPN's Getup show this morning said " No way in Hell was that a back thing." Rex Ryan and Stephen A. Smith went off about it. The NFLPA is def. gonna be on it. I'm willing to bet that given the history of other players that, at some point this season,Tua will again deal with a concussion(s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Get well soon Rick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 5 hours ago, msw2112 said: He had a back injury. 😉 Yep, back of his head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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