Doc Brown Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 The touchdown doesn't happen nor the 3rd and 22 conversion if Hyde is in the game rather than him. He played a poor game but let's see how he does with Poyer back there instead of Hamlin. Too much of a small sample size to say we need to replace him immediately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Jaquan didn't play well on Sunday. But wasn't his first career start. He started v Houston last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 I think he did ok and will be fine. I know everyone wants to judge him by one play, but I like him. He's a hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 3:46 PM, MiltonWaddams said: Hot take- When Dane and Tre return, Benford slides to safety. Just a thought...but it has merit. There was talk early on ,during camp,that Benford might eventually be better off at safety. He is getting valuable experience this year and a pleasant surprise for a 6th round pick. Could he or Johnson replace Poyer next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 2:45 PM, Rc2catch said: I don’t think it’s much debate, if Miami had the ball more they certainly had the potential to put up big numbers. The defense largely held their own. The time of possession probably saved them from giving up more. I didn’t expect them to play at a high level but they did outplay my expectations for the game. Johnson wasn’t without flaws. He certainly looked like he’d be more effective in the box vs playing center field. He’s looking to lay the lumber that’s for sure Eh.....that's a bad take. Miami scored one TD on a very short field and the other was set up by an uncharacteristically bad defensive call to rush 3 that set up Waddle for the long TD. Otherwise they did nothing in a sport where possessions alternate. Except throw a terrible would-be pick 6 that Milano dropped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 hour ago, ArtVandalay said: John, who was the TD pass thrown at? Who was the 45 yard gain to Waddle thrown at? Who was the Edmonds red zone pass attempt thrown at? Every big play and scoring opp thrown at him plus others during the game. Half of Tuas yardage was at him. His line TD pass, his big play on 3rd and long, red zone targets. You watched the game, you list me offall the good plays he made. I'll wait. He was thrown at a lot more often than that it’s waddle and hill Who are abusing everybody why is it so hard for you to understand the fact that they held Tyreek Hill down like they did he deserves credit for that as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Often out of position. Made some good plays but doesn't have anywhere near the instincts our great starting safeties had which puts him behind on diagnosing the play and recognizing where he should be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 The defense as a whole did not play bad at all given the circumstances. hill was held in check. Waddle was too except for one big play. Line needed to get to Tua more, but they still got some pressure on him. Miscues on offense/special teams (kicking) cost them far more than the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 2:16 PM, Wayne Arnold said: It's PFF so "grain of salt" alert. Considering the D only gave up 21 points to an offense that looked great the week before, I'm a bit surprised. Also, did Cam Lewis not play? Damar Hamlin is really good. The play beforehand on 3rd and 22 he’s the guy who sacked Tua to make it 3rd and 22. We get the rest of the guys back in the secondary we will be just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 The TD he gave up was at worst broken up and likely picked if the starters were in, he clearly didn’t go for the ball which was disappointing. That said in comparison to 2 of the best in the game it’s an unfair expectation. If he continues to take bad angles, is slow to react and not look for the ball, he won’t be on the field long. I give him a pass for his first game against one of the hardest receiving groups he’ll ever see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 I keep hearing how Jaquan Johnson is ready to start, has been ready to start, yet Damar Hamlin looked like that dude and Johnson seemed a step slow out there. Just one game, and I'm sure he'll look better with Poyer out there with him, but Elam & Hamlin flashed. Jaquan Johnson, not so much. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Is this where we do the PFF gave my team a negative grade so we dismiss them entirely routine? 5 minutes ago, SCBills said: I keep hearing how Jaquan Johnson is ready to start, has been ready to start, yet Damar Hamlin looked like that dude and Johnson seemed a step slow out there. Just one game, and I'm sure he'll look better with Poyer out there with him, but Elam & Hamlin flashed. Jaquan Johnson, not so much. He ran a 4.70 at the Combine, so he looked like that on the field. Agree on Hamlin too, he's looked good when on the field, similar to Dane Jackson, fast enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 2:16 PM, Wayne Arnold said: It's PFF so "grain of salt" alert. Considering the D only gave up 21 points to an offense that looked great the week before, I'm a bit surprised. Also, did Cam Lewis not play? I think Cam Lewis played on ST and they didnt want him playing both because of the heat. On 9/26/2022 at 2:45 PM, Rc2catch said: I don’t think it’s much debate, if Miami had the ball more they certainly had the potential to put up big numbers. The defense largely held their own. The time of possession probably saved them from giving up more. I didn’t expect them to play at a high level but they did outplay my expectations for the game. Johnson wasn’t without flaws. He certainly looked like he’d be more effective in the box vs playing center field. He’s looking to lay the lumber that’s for sure People keep looking at time of possession to say Miami didnt have the ball enough. Its not true. Miami had 8 drives and punted on 5 of them. Buffalo had 9 drives and two of those were on short clocks (end of half/end of game.) If Miami played good on offense then Buffalo would have had the ball less. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 2:59 PM, Alphadawg7 said: Couple of notes...I wouldn't judge the grade of the individual players based on the final score. Bills ran 93 offensive plays compared to their 39. They still got 21 points to our 19. The lower stats and score by Miami was a function of our offense being on the field at a better than 2 to 1 advantage. So the fact Tua and Hill didn't have big stat total days, isn't reflective on how well the D played or how bad the Miami offense played. We just kept their offense off the field. That being said, I didn't notice Johnson being so bad as to warrant a 26.7 grade, but also, there was a lot going on and a lot ot pay attention to this game with all the injuries. So maybe a deeper look at the All22 will show he struggled some. But I didn't particuarly notice anything that made me look at him as a total liability this game as this score suggests. Again, Miami had the ball 8 times to our 9 and they punted on 5 of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) On 9/26/2022 at 11:19 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said: I feel he was late on TD and got burned by Waddle. He was out of position on the Cracraft td and he emphasized the sideline too much on Waddle's double move. But Leslie butchered that entire play by rushing 3. We need Poyer back soon. Jaquan's strength is tackling. It will never be coverage. Edited September 29, 2022 by LABILLBACKER 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: He was out of position on the Cracraft td and he emphasized the sideline too much on Waddle's double move. But Leslie butchered that entire play by rushing 3. We need Poyer back soon. Jaquan's strength is tackling. It will never be coverage. Hated the play call on 3rd and 22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 I thought he did his 1/11 fairly well. He's no Po or Hyde but he's formidable and a heavy hitter. According to PFF , Groot is the 2nd best graded 2nd year player, behind Parsons and ahead of Waddle. His grade is 89 , Parsons 92 and Waddle 84 Kid is a Problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 The defense gave up 21 points, and 7 was when their offense had to go 10 yards. We had both of our starting safety's out as well as our two best CB's. Going up against Tyreek and Waddle. They weren't perfect but they weren't terrible either. Overall it was a pretty solid performance by all those young guys. Hamlin needs either bigger shoulder pads or to eat more chicken wings, he looks like a strong wind could carry him away. We didn't have Oliver either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 I don't know why people keep saying the Dolphins "barely had the ball" and that was the only reason for their low stats. They had the ball 8 times. We had the ball 9 times, and two of ours were stopped by the clock expiring. Out of those 8 possessions, the Dolphins had 4 punts and 1 safety. On those five drives, they accumulated a grand total of 63 yards. The first touchdown was a gift. They needed to go exactly 6 yards to score, after the strip-sack. The third touchdown was after a blown coverage, where we had them on a 3rd-22. So in all, the defense gave up one long/sustained drive all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 1:16 PM, Wayne Arnold said: It's PFF so "grain of salt" alert. Considering the D only gave up 21 points to an offense that looked great the week before, I'm a bit surprised. Also, did Cam Lewis not play? PFF numerical rankings are a mystery to me. Johnson played ok but he made a few huge and costly mistakes which are likely reflected in his low score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 54 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Hated the play call on 3rd and 22. We all did. Classic Leslie call. If he could drop 12 in coverage he would. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Is this where we do the PFF gave my team a negative grade so we dismiss them entirely routine? He ran a 4.70 at the Combine, so he looked like that on the field. Agree on Hamlin too, he's looked good when on the field, similar to Dane Jackson, fast enough. he's a downhill safety or box player who was asked to play against some speed . But as part of a situational rotation when more fully staffed ? He does quite well playing with play in front of him in shorter yardage. 4.7 is not going to turn his hips and run. it's just math. I like the guy for what he brings Edited September 30, 2022 by 3rdand12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 10 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Is this where we do the PFF gave my team a negative grade so we dismiss them entirely routine? He ran a 4.70 at the Combine, so he looked like that on the field. Agree on Hamlin too, he's looked good when on the field, similar to Dane Jackson, fast enough. That 4.7 speed is probably a fatal flaw in any hopes that Johnson could be a future starter. Speed isn't everything , but there is a need for at least a minimal speed at safety. I'm not sure what that minimum is, but I think it's probably lower than 4.7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 20 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said: That 4.7 speed is probably a fatal flaw in any hopes that Johnson could be a future starter. Speed isn't everything , but there is a need for at least a minimal speed at safety. I'm not sure what that minimum is, but I think it's probably lower than 4.7. It’s at safety it would be interesting to see what the 40 times are for starting safeties in the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Send a 7th to the Falcons for Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 17 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Jaquan didn't play well on Sunday. But wasn't his first career start. He started v Houston last year. Thank you. He had a pick and looked good that game. Was a step back this game but considering the context I’ll give him a pass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 3 hours ago, YattaOkasan said: Thank you. He had a pick and looked good that game. Was a step back this game but considering the context I’ll give him a pass. I have been a big Jaquan fan. I liked him in that draft and I think in his spot duty and start v Houston last year he has been good whenever he has stepped on an NFL field. However, I concede that I thought the same as some of the critics in this thread on Sunday. He looked small, slow and overmatched against Miami. I don't think it is fair to bury his NFL career based on that one game, but I did come out of it questioning whether actually career backup and core special teams player is likely his NFL lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I have been a big Jaquan fan. I liked him in that draft and I think in his spot duty and start v Houston last year he has been good whenever he has stepped on an NFL field. However, I concede that I thought the same as some of the critics in this thread on Sunday. He looked small, slow and overmatched against Miami. I don't think it is fair to bury his NFL career based on that one game, but I did come out of it questioning whether actually career backup and core special teams player is likely his NFL lot. Miami is tremendously fast - he definitely played a bit scared on a couple of deeper passes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Well this week we can get a more reasonable outlook on him. Hill and Waddle could make even a good starter look bad. Lets see how he does against this WR core and Mark Andrews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 YES. And who is Ja'Marcus Ingram? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 Coaches answered this question with an emphatic 'Yes'. 0 snaps vs. Ravens Hamlin (100% of defensive snaps vs. Ravens) has earned the starting Strong Safety position. Poyer takes over for Hyde as the Free Safety. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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