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[Forlorn hope]

49 minutes ago, In Summary said:

Makes me wonder if the Bills will vary or evolve their defense this year or leave it as it has been. Primarily thinking about using 3 LBs and playing man coverage more.

I think getting Elam and the emergence of Benford will allow them to play more man. More blitzing. Terrell Bernard was extremely dangerous blitzing at Baylor 

Edited September 4, 2022 by Forlorn hope

[NewEra]

Morris over Sweeney!!  
 

i hope to never see Sweeney on offense ever again.  

[TPS]

1 hour ago, In Summary said:

Makes me wonder if the Bills will vary or evolve their defense this year or leave it as it has been. Primarily thinking about using 3 LBs and playing man coverage more.

I certainly believe after watching how the Bengals defended the chiefs in the second half of the afccg they learned some things 

Edited September 4, 2022 by TPS

[Forlorn hope]

19 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Morris over Sweeney!!  
 

i hope to never see Sweeney on offense ever again.  

You will love the blocking te, ground and pound 😂

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, Forlorn hope said:

You will love the blocking te, ground and pound 😂

So who how long ago did you get banned only to come back under a new pitiful username?

[Forlorn hope]

7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

So who how long ago did you get banned only to come back under a new pitiful username?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said:

The thing that surprised me was Bernard leapfrogging Dodson. He had some plays, but I didn’t see him as better than Dodson at this point

That was the one that jumped out here also. effectively  jumped into aj Klein old spot.  Also AJE ahead of Shaq I view as good news about AJE I hope

[larrym]

Mckenzie = butter fingers lol

[ganesh]

who are going to be the inactive's on game day ?

 

Sweeney,

Cam Lewis

Hamlin

Shaq Lawson

Hart

and one among Moss or Quintin Morris

[Shaw66]

7 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:

 

Can't look at the depth chart in such a boxed way.  Same can be said about backup WR, Cooks role on offense, etc.  There will certainly be multiple formations/looks that will dictate playtime over depth chart.

Right on the money. The depth chart isn't much more than an informal way to categorize and rank people. How they actually are used has little to do with the depth chart.

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, Southern bills said:

I agree but I think Moss is first man up as 1st down back in case of injury while Cook is currently seen as more of a 3rd down back and a guy you have a special set of plays for. I am not sure they are comfortable with him taking every down punishment yet.

Or pass blocking 

1 hour ago, Forlorn hope said:

You will love the blocking te, ground and pound 😂

I sure hope they run the ***** ball this year ffs

[artmalibu]

6 hours ago, The Wiz said:

3 rbs. Jones isn't a rb even though he's listed as one. 

 

Pretty sure last year typical actives were 2 RBs and Jones, with 1 RB not active.  

 

What position do you think they will bring one less of on game day? 

[JGMcD2]

6 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Probably about the same as ours because according to this board every team in the league’s offensive line depth sucks so we shouldn’t worry.😅

Well can you provide some sort of insight as to what the rest of the league looks like? 

[Dr.Sack]

3 hours ago, Forlorn hope said:

due to the 17 year drought I’d wager many on here are on there 3rd or 4th pseudonym. 

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

I hear ya… I don’t follow other teams closely enough… what does their O-Line depth look like compared to ours? 

 

I think the depth looks similar. There isn't that much oline depth league wide. If Ike was healthy for instance he'd be one of the best guards not pencilled in to start in the league. But I am not sure there are too many teams starting a 34 year old and a guy who has been in the league 4 years but has only 6 career starts. Saffold has been nicked up a lot the last two years and what if Bates doesn't kick on? That is why the guard depth is particularly worrisome for the Bills.

[Sierra Foothills]

4 hours ago, Forlorn hope said:

 

God it's weird that Ray Liotta isn't with us anymore.

 

But DeNiro and Pesci are.

[Locomark]

10 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

I hear ya… I don’t follow other teams closely enough… what does their O-Line depth look like compared to ours? 

Most teams have limited line depth.  Online play is weak throughout the league. You are lucky to have 1 adequate swing tackle and 1 adequate interior guy. That is why next year is obvious the Bills will be drafting interior OL early and maybe doubling up. 

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think the depth looks similar. There isn't that much oline depth league wide. If Ike was healthy for instance he'd be one of the best guards not pencilled in to start in the league. But I am not sure there are too many teams starting a 34 year old and a guy who has been in the league 4 years but has only 6 career starts. Saffold has been nicked up a lot the last two years and what if Bates doesn't kick on? That is why the guard depth is particularly worrisome for the Bills.

Sorry Gunner I didn’t see your comment and basically said the same thing. Ike being hurt particularly hurts them. 

[machine gun kelly]

2 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

God it's weird that Ray Liotta isn't with us anymore.

 

But DeNiro and Pesci are.

The last couple of times I saw him, he didn’t look well.  I don’t know if it was a condition, or drugs and alcohol.

[Doc Brown]

12 hours ago, artmalibu said:

I dont see how Cook can be active, 4 RBs on game day?

We carried four in the first Fins and Jets game last year.  Taiwan Jones will be active every week as a gunner so it's better to think of if they'll dress three (Singletary, Moss, Cook) or two of the three.  It'll be one of the most interesting story lines throughout the year if all stay healthy.

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

We carried four in the first Fins and Jets game last year.  Taiwan Jones will be active every week as a gunner so it's better to think of if they'll dress three (Singletary, Moss, Cook) or two of the three.  It'll be one of the most interesting story lines throughout the year if all stay healthy.

 

I believe the rules now are you can dress 48 as long as 8 are OL. If fewer than 8 are OL they can dress 47. 

 

Looking at that roster for week 1 and trying to find the five inactives is tricky. 

 

I think Sweeney, one OL (Doyle if he is still hurt or Van Roten or Hart), Shaq and Cam Lewis are the four most likely. I'd probably say Spector is the next most likely given he would be up mainly for teams and they have Dodson who can play teams and Matakevich who is a teams captain up but I don't think it is totally mad to think that Crowder is a possibility too if McKenzie is healthy... or of course Moss if they only dress 3 running backs. 

[hemma]

If we end up sitting our hopefully dynamic #2 pick all year so that Jones can play STs, then it will have been a complete waste of a pick.

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, hemma said:

If we end up sitting our hopefully dynamic #2 pick all year so that Jones can play STs, then it will have been a complete waste of a pick.

That's obviously not going to happen

[Coach Tuesday]

17 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

That's obviously not going to happen

If he ends up sitting it will be because of his pass pro issues.

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

If he ends up sitting it will be because of his pass pro issues.

 

Agreed and it is because it telegraphs what the Bills are running. Put Zack Moss out there he can run a route or he can stay in and pass protect. If defenses are able to key in on "it's Cook, it is basically empty formation because they are not going to keep him in the block" then that is gonna prevent him getting on the field as much as he should.

[John from Riverside]

The big one for me was back up tight end I picture us running quite a bit of two tightend sets this year and so this was a big leap for Quinton Morris

Edited September 4, 2022 by John from Riverside

[BobbyC81]

15 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

Yolo posted in another thread. I thought it deserved its own topic.

 

Shakir has looked so confident and natural fielding punts.  Of course I don’t remember much wind for the preseason games.  Hopefully he’ll look the same in December.

[DCbillsfan]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agreed and it is because it telegraphs what the Bills are running. Put Zack Moss out there he can run a route or he can stay in and pass protect. If defenses are able to key in on "it's Cook, it is basically empty formation because they are not going to keep him in the block" then that is gonna prevent him getting on the field as much as he should.

Now that the games count, I'm curious to see if Bills run 21 personnel and have Cook put in motion or have him split out wide after initially lining up in backfield.  Try to give defense initially a run look and then try to create a mismatch in the pass game I.e. LB covering Cook.

[CNYfan]

The manner in which Coach McDermott slow walks rookies I would not be surprised if Cook was not active at the beginning of the year, for a few games.  

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

The manner in which Coach McDermott slow walks rookies I would not be surprised if Cook was not active at the beginning of the year, for a few games.  

 

Doubtful.  At worst it's a bad look to have your 2nd round pick inactive.  But he can be useful and there are 5 others worth inactivating on game day over him.

[DCbillsfan]

10 hours ago, ganesh said:

who are going to be the inactive's on game day ?

 

Sweeney,

Cam Lewis

Hamlin

Shaq Lawson

Hart

and one among Moss or Quintin Morris

If they dress 8 OL, they almost always do, they're allowed to dress 48, so 5 inactives.  My guess is Hart, Lewis, Spector, Sweeney and Lawson.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Cook has pass pro issues ?

 

That's strange he was a very good pass protector at georgia. 

 

So now we've decided he has pass pro issues when he hardly ever played in the preseason ?

 

What plays or series of plays in preseason led us to believe he has pass pro issues?

[hemma]

4 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

If they dress 8 OL, they almost always do, they're allowed to dress 48, so 5 inactives.  My guess is Hart, Lewis, Spector, Sweeney and Lawson.

 

As a ‘hypothetical’, let’s say that they decide to activate Lawson this coming week due to projected 98 degree temps & they’ll want the DL as fresh as possible.

 

Who do you think would be ‘next out’ for being active?

 

[Coach Tuesday]

7 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Cook has pass pro issues ?

 

That's strange he was a very good pass protector at georgia. 

 

So now we've decided he has pass pro issues when he hardly ever played in the preseason ?

 

What plays or series of plays in preseason led us to believe he has pass pro issues?

https://theathletic.com/3478869/2022/08/04/bills-camp-observations-james-cook-zack-moss/?source=user_shared_article

 

“Cook’s pass protection remains a work in progress as the safeties and linebackers have been giving him some trouble in those one-on-one drills.”

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

https://theathletic.com/3478869/2022/08/04/bills-camp-observations-james-cook-zack-moss/?source=user_shared_article

 

“Cook’s pass protection remains a work in progress as the safeties and linebackers have been giving him some trouble in those one-on-one drills.”

So this is the evidence? One practice?

 

I've noticed this board has a "herd mentality" where some unfounded opinion is stated and everyone jumps aboard even when 95% of posters don't even know what they are talking about.

 

Trust me he can pass protect. Kirby Smart would never have put him on the field if he couldn't pass protect. And he pass protected against some of the best teams in college football.

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

So this is the evidence? One practice?

 

I've noticed this board has a "herd mentality" where some unfounded opinion is stated and everyone jumps aboard even when 95% of posters don't even know what they are talking about.

 

Trust me he can pass protect. Kirby Smart would never have put him on the field if he couldn't pass protect. And he pass protected against some of the best teams in college football.

No, it’s the first article that came up.  He was also getting knocked backwards in his limited preseason pass pro opportunities.  

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

16 minutes ago, hemma said:

 

As a ‘hypothetical’, let’s say that they decide to activate Lawson this coming week due to projected 98 degree temps & they’ll want the DL as fresh as possible.

 

Who do you think would be ‘next out’ for being active?

 

Epenesa. They don't need 9 D-linemen on gameday.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

No, it’s the first article that came up.  He was also getting knocked backwards in his limited preseason pass pro opportunities.  

So I see the evidence is growing. It's gone from one practice to "limited preseason opportunities"

 

Is that all of it ?

 

If you all don't think he can pass protect watch the national championship game against Alabama.

 

Time after time Cook was picking up free rushers giving Bennett time to throw.

 

This is another problem with posters here. 99% don't watch college football. 

 

Please stop spreading this misinformation and watch for yourself

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, DCbillsfan said:

Now that the games count, I'm curious to see if Bills run 21 personnel and have Cook put in motion or have him split out wide after initially lining up in backfield.  Try to give defense initially a run look and then try to create a mismatch in the pass game I.e. LB covering Cook.

 

Yea me too. I always wanted Chan and Hackett to run it with Fred and CJ on the field at the same time - both could run, both could receive, two different styles... and I think Moss (more than Devin because Devin isn't really a particularly good receiver) and Cook in 21 personnel gives you something similar. 

[FLFan]

3 hours ago, hemma said:

If we end up sitting our hopefully dynamic #2 pick all year so that Jones can play STs, then it will have been a complete waste of a pick.

The two things are not at all related.  Jones is a ST player and will dress for that reason, each week.  Cook and Moss will be interesting.  I expect both to dress most of the time.  There may be weeks where they do not see a role for Cook, but I think that will be rare.

[DCbillsfan]

37 minutes ago, hemma said:

 

As a ‘hypothetical’, let’s say that they decide to activate Lawson this coming week due to projected 98 degree temps & they’ll want the DL as fresh as possible.

 

Who do you think would be ‘next out’ for being active?

 

I'd say either Moss or Cook.  Depending on the game plan.