Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[YoloinOhio]

8 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

No they don’t.  They can cut someone for anything.  This easy call, if they don’t cut him or put him on commissioners except list this morning then the Bills will and should look worse then they do already.

That’s actually not true. It has be performance/ability related to be cut (remember the whole vaccine thing last year?). At this point it would be tough to prove that he’s being cut for those reasons after cutting Haack already. Sure they could cut him if he did something off the field. But as it stands right now The nflpa and his agent would fight it since he’s only been accused in a civil lawsuit at this point. I don’t believe he can go on the exempt list per the CBA as that’s related to the personal conduct policy and this occurred in college. 

Edited August 26, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[Dave in Avon Lake now]

Sorry I'm late to this, but was trying to process this since I live in Cleveland and have had to absorb this type of thing since the Browns traded for Watson.  What kind of investigation did the Bills do since they drafted him and why did they release their other punter if they knew this was coming?   My wife won't watch another Browns game because of Watson and I can't blame her if she does the same about the Bills.  I love the team and was hoping this year would finally be their calling.  Even if only partially true based on police tape story, they should drop him and find another punter.  Bad look for team in any event.

[LeGOATski]

7 minutes ago, pocoboy said:

 

Maybe. I'd have to think someone could go "STOP CALLING ME THAT PLEASE" and they'd probably stop. Anyway, maybe I'm wrong. I feel like a guy who's ready to tell a gal he screwed to test for STD's is a guy who has like ZERO moral compass and one should think long and hard about how important he might be to your team that ends up on the 50 in 2 plays and thus an 80 yard punt means little to nothing.

You should read how that conversation is worded in the statement. They're painting the picture they want, but we don't actually know how that conversation went down.

[pocoboy]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

There was no shakedown plan. 
 

 

Well yeah, I'm sure initially she had hoped the police would charge. And honestly if the evidence is there, every single one of us wishes they would have done their jobs. But then when you hold off filing the civil suit until the perpetrator gets paid...yeah I get it, it doesn't benefit the victim if they file in February and then nobody takes him and she gets nothing. But yeah, this might be the definition of a shakedown plan. Anyway, there's nothing good about any of this.

 

[Back2Buff]

7 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

No they don’t.  They can cut someone for anything.  This easy call, if they don’t cut him or put him on commissioners except list this morning then the Bills will and should look worse then they do already.

 

Of course an employer can do whatever they want, but they also need to be ready for the repercussions if the allegations are considered false.  Wonder what kind of lawsuit Araiza could have (probably 100 million or more).

 

Also, it is not a good habit for any employer to get into to immediately fire an employee for the words of others.  What would stop an allegation of anybody under the sun (meaning you and I)? 

[YoloinOhio]

https://twitter.com/josinaanderson/status/1563133735670755330?s=21&t=G0T0anlcnmsRgq1XFqb7mw

@josinaanderson

LA Times: #Bills P Matt Araiza’s lawyer, Kerry Armstrong, called the rape accusation false. He said his investigator spoke to witnesses from the party who contradict the allegations against Araiza. “It’s a shakedown because he’s now with the Buffalo Bills,” Armstrong said.

[junior]

9 minutes ago, ALF said:

In California, it is illegal for an adult (someone 18 or older) to have sex with a minor (someone younger than 18), even if the sex is consensual. Those who break the law have committed statutory rape.

 

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/california-statutory-rape-laws.htm#:~:text=In California%2C it is illegal,law have committed statutory rape.

 

 

I'm sure this'll be his defense for this aspect of the case:

 

https://www.alecrose.com/blog-index/exceptions-to-sex-with-an-underage-person-statutory-rape-in-california/#:~:text=Under California laws%2C it is,cannot consent to sexual activities.

 

Exceptions to Sex with Underage Person in California

 

There are some exceptions, however, to sex with an underage person in California. These include:

 

Marital Exception – A spouse having sex with their married minor spouse.

 

Reasonable Mistake Of Age –

Reasonable mistake of age with a person who is 16 or 17 years old. The mistaken belief has to be that the alleged victim was 18 or older.

 

These exceptions are designed to protect young people from facing criminal charges for having romantic relationships. An experienced attorney can evaluate every last detail of your unique situation and determine your best defense strategy.

Edited August 26, 2022 by junior

[Back2Buff]

9 minutes ago, ALF said:

In California, it is illegal for an adult (someone 18 or older) to have sex with a minor (someone younger than 18), even if the sex is consensual. Those who break the law have committed statutory rape.

 

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/california-statutory-rape-laws.htm#:~:text=In California%2C it is illegal,law have committed statutory rape.

 

He hasn't been arrested, so what would that tell you?

[muppy]

2 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Interesting how DeShaun Watson wasn’t charged with a single crime, yet some Bills fans want the legal system to play out before dumping Araiza. We’re unanimously against Watson, yet these allegations are far more disgusting, but I guess he’s our guy to some. 

I dont want to minimize the trauma watsons' masseuses endured and say those acts weren't disgusting too. Being able to PROVE something beyond a reasonable doubt is a much higher standard of proof than a preponderance of the evidence in a civil  case. In this case case a lawsuit has been filed.  But my understanding is no formal charges...yet. I would hope the Bills fanbase wouldn't be swayed by only what information is available today. I just hope the truth in full eventually comes out and he is exonerated. The charge could not be more horrific. blech

 

m

[dollars 2 donuts]

12 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Interesting how DeShaun Watson wasn’t charged with a single crime, yet some Bills fans want the legal system to play out before dumping Araiza. We’re unanimously against Watson, yet these allegations are far more disgusting, but I guess he’s our guy to some. 

 

Agreed.

 

We as a Bills nation are weighing what is worse: 24 (un)gentleman’s tugs or 1 brutal rape.

 

Man, this is just disturbing and disgusting.
 

I am not judging on this one, but just in general…my God men, come on.  Come on, we have to be better than this. Deferring to the wills of our pen**es is utter and complete none sense and needs to stop. Ridiculous.

 

Edit: go jerk *** you f’n cretins, instead of hurting another human.

 

 

Edited August 26, 2022 by dollars 2 donuts

[Beerball]

2 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

In this day in age…. You have to just let it play out. I’m not taking anyones side. This is sloppy and has just too many questions to be answered. 
 

I hate responses on here that say “this looks bad, just cut him”…. Why? There is too much false accusations that get thrown around daily. If he’s guilty let them prove their case, if he’s not the truth will come out. That’s it. I am not leaning one way or another and I could care less how this “looks”….

Of course it has to “play out.” It does not have to play out with Araiza on the team. Cut him now.

 

The NFL investigated Danny boy therefore he’s innocent.

 

Cleveland investigated Watson therefore he’s innocent.

 

The league investigated Miami & Cleveland for tanking, therefore they didn’t.

 

Those are only some of the most recent investigations conducted by team or league that were roundly criticized here. Look back a few years and you’ll find many, many more.

 

 

[oldschoolfootball1963]

My opinion is he should be gone if he was involved with the rape in the bedroom. 2nd point. Usually some more women will step forward saying things about matt. Because guys that do this kind of thing are not a one off. So let’s see if other girls come forward with other encounters with matt. Seems to me no other girls have stepped forward to say yeah he a scum bag and he did this and that to me. We know nothing at this point but speculation from one side.  

Edited August 26, 2022 by oldschoolfootball1963

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, Dave in Avon Lake now said:

Sorry I'm late to this, but was trying to process this since I live in Cleveland and have had to absorb this type of thing since the Browns traded for Watson.  What kind of investigation did the Bills do since they drafted him and why did they release their other punter if they knew this was coming?   My wife won't watch another Browns game because of Watson and I can't blame her if she does the same about the Bills.  I love the team and was hoping this year would finally be their calling.  Even if only partially true based on police tape story, they should drop him and find another punter.  Bad look for team in any event.

I can summarize:

- nobody know the real facts

- bills might have known before releasing hack 

- the accusation is pretty ugly

- there are 89 pages of solid armchair quarterbacking and speculation 

[CountDorkula]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Yes I read it, do you even understand what a lawsuit is?  I can literally file a lawsuit tomorrow against you for what ever I want…does it make a true? 
 

A lawsuit isn’t an indication of confirmed guilt.

I mean you can but if there is no basis that's falsifying legal documents.

 

I mean I hope you sue me tomorrow for a bogus claim so I can come back at you with defamation, slander etc

Edited August 26, 2022 by CountDorkula

[pocoboy]

1 minute ago, LeGOATski said:

You should read how that conversation is worded in the statement. They're painting the picture they want, but we don't actually know how that conversation went down.

 

I just can't get over the fact this team, that has to have one of the lowest 3-and-out rates in the league, was infatuated with drafting the best punter. It serves them right in some ways. Yeah Haack stunk. Just that nobody's gonna vet a punter, and so they pissed a 6th round pick because that was a "position of need" because they have so few.

[bobobonators]

Id tie him to the field goal post - naked - and let Josh Allen throw lasers at his tiny junk all day during practice. Then release him. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

New over/under because clearly I'm an idiot.   199.5

[YoloinOhio]

It’s not the Bills MO to move on from. Player before letting facts play out. He’s denying that he did this. Two other situations I recall where they let accusations play out are lesean McCoy and Tyrell Dodson. Did not move on from either one.

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, bobobonators said:

Id tie him to the field goal post - naked - and let Josh Allen throw lasers at his tiny junk all day during practice. Then release him. 

Brings new meaning to "live ball drill"

[CoudyBills]

Yay Rape God...great.  This should go well.

[Ralonzo]

And let's check in this morning. Yeah, this thread is exactly where I thought it would be.

 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Being reported on espn. Ariza participated directly in the gang rape and young woman's piercings were ripped out.

 

Victim says ariza poured her the drink that knocked her out.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34460423/buffalo-bills-punter-matt-araiza-two-san-diego-state-football-players-accused-gang-raping-minor-lawsuit

Edited August 26, 2022 by JakeFrommStateFarm

[Buffalo ill]

Let's be sure to virtue signal before we know all the facts. 

[CoudyBills]

4 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

No you cant. That's falsifying legal documents.

 

I mean I hope you sue me tomorrow for a bogus claim so I can come back at you with defamation, slander etc

So, you're saying he actually can then?

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Being reported on espn. Ariza participated directly in the hang rape and young woman's piercings were ripped out.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34460423/buffalo-bills-punter-matt-araiza-two-san-diego-state-football-players-accused-gang-raping-minor-lawsuit

ESPN is the standard for facts are they? 

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Being reported on espn. Ariza participated directly in the gang rape and young woman's piercings were ripped out.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34460423/buffalo-bills-punter-matt-araiza-two-san-diego-state-football-players-accused-gang-raping-minor-lawsuit

The timestamp says that's from yesterday...and it just says "accused." Not new news.

[CountDorkula]

Just now, CoudyBills said:

So, you're saying he actually can then?

Technically yes, but he'd wind up the person in trouble so it'd be a very stupid thing to do.

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo ill said:

Let's be sure to virtue signal before we know all the facts. 

What flag are we using?! Ukraine is so 3 months ago!!

[Rigotz]

16 minutes ago, pocoboy said:

 

Maybe. I'd have to think someone could go "STOP CALLING ME THAT PLEASE" and they'd probably stop. Anyway, maybe I'm wrong. I feel like a guy who's ready to tell a gal he screwed to test for STD's is a guy who has like ZERO moral compass and one should think long and hard about how important he might be to your team that ends up on the 50 in 2 plays and thus an 80 yard punt means little to nothing.

You’re wrong. He’s on record saying he doesn’t love that nickname.

 

Here’s a video of him saying that at the 4 minute mark. Hopefully that’s enough for you. 
 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

18 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that he wasn't a full-time punter until the 2021 season, and that his NFL stock rose because of his punting that occurred during that season.  He was principally a kicker before 2021 and, to my knowledge, he wasn't on NFL radars as a kicker.  So I think my prior point stands.  

He was a very good kicker as well. 

[BillsFan130]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s not the Bills MO to move on from. Player before letting facts play out. He’s denying that he did this. Two other situations I recall where they let accusations play out are lesean McCoy and Tyrell Dodson. Did not move on from either one.

Were the accusations this serious though?

 

I don't recall the incidents with McCoy/Dodson so I'm not saying your wrong, just curious

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

The timestamp says that's from yesterday...and it just says "accused." Not new news.

She accuses ariza of pouring the drink that knocked her out.

 

That is new news I believe 

[BillsFanNC]

9 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

I mean you can but if there is no basis that's falsifying legal documents.

 

I mean I hope you sue me tomorrow for a bogus claim so I can come back at you with defamation, slander etc

 

You don't get to do that based on how many are treating the situation in this thread.

 

It's guilty by accusation. You don't get to come back with anything.

[plenzmd1]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

No. Araiza was the top player at SDSU and an NFL prospect entering his senior season. He was well known. He was “Punt God” we’ll before being drafted.

 

This was kept very quiet. The girl immediately claimed rape and went to the police. She went through hours of testing less than a day after the alleged rape. There was no shakedown plan. 
 

What makes this case will be her friends. She claims her friends found her bloody and beaten immediately after. We’ll see if that’s true.

If I understand correctly, Araiza’s attorney is not claiming a rape did not take place , or a rape did take place.  His stance is Matt had consensual sex with this girl outside while she was cogent, then she went into a room and what happened there he has no clue. 
 

at least that is how I interpreted the attorney, but I could be wrong. 

[muppy]

one sidenote to this discussion. If a person has ever been the victim of a sexual assault type charge, my experience has been that you will immediately be dismissed as a potential juror by the defense in most any criminal trial The sentiment being that a victim would always be pro law enforcement pro prosecution. That pisses me off frankly. So now I as a potential juror are also tainted as not being able to discern correctly or be objective because someone ese victimized me first. 

 

got that off my chest. smh its true though. 

[extrahammer]

At this point, if I was the accuser, I would be seeking new representation. Her attorney is making statements and immediately contradicting them. Any victim or potential victim of a sexual crime deserves better. 

 

 

Edited August 26, 2022 by extrahammer

[LeGOATski]

3 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

She accuses ariza of pouring the drink that knocked her out.

 

That is new news I believe 

It's not. It was included in the claim.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, muppy said:

one sidenote to this discussion. If a person has ever been the victim of a sexual assault type charge, my experience has been that you will immediately be dismissed as a potential juror by the defense in most any criminal trial The sentiment being that a victim would always be pro law enforcement pro prosecution. That pisses me off frankly. So now I as a potential juror are also tainted as not being able to discern correctly or be objective because someone ese victimized me first. 

 

got that off my chest. smh its true though. 

I mean the pursuit is for objectivity in Juror selection theoretically, right? 

[CountDorkula]

3 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

 

You don't get to do that based on how many are treating the situation in this thread.

 

It's guilty by accusation. You don't get to come back with anything.

That's not the theme ive gotten.

 

Yes some have jumped to conclusion ON BOTH SIDES.

 

Most have been level headed saying If true he needs to be punished and that goes beyond football.

 

What I cant put up with is people in here victim shaming and blaming here for being at that party. 

 

 

 

[muppy]

25 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I mean the pursuit is for objectivity in Juror selection theoretically, right? 

the defense  have seconds to make snap judgments on jurors so I get it. it still just bothers me for clearly personal reasons.

Edited August 26, 2022 by muppy