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Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.


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50 minutes ago, muppy said:

greetings. Regarding judging someone before they are convicted in a court of law here is my take. A civil lawsuit will be heard and he may be found innocent or guilty. But the taint of an allegation like this will be stink that won[t easily wash off either way.  I think they only thing that would be worse than being  sexually assaulted is being wrongfully accused of a sexual assault.  Think about it.

 

watson settled lawsuits based on how many womens testimony? Heck yes I'd boo him. A guy like araiza? IMO not yet. that's just me though.

I fully agree,  this is why if he was innocent it was much better to pay her before this went to there media . He was there,  booze was flowing and people will come to their own conclusions .  I can guarantee ,  any short of her coming out and saying he was wrongly accused and not involved this will explode over the next few days

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My thoughts:

 

There is nothing the Bills can do about what happened last yr to this woman (or didn’t happen). As a business, you look at how this impacts the organization. This is a no win scenario if he stays on the team:  the news media will not stop, and this likely won’t resolve itself this season. Hes a punter and the reality is he’s one of the most expendable pieces on this team. How will the news distract the team? How will the news distract him and his performance? The accusation here is gang rape of a minor - not some “sexual misconduct” accusation. This will not go away. 
 

The risk/reward here from

a business perspective is clear: cut him now. If he’s truly innocent he’ll get another shot in the NFL and will make a boat load of money compared to the rest of us. If he’s not, then good riddance. 

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14 hours ago, JohnNord said:


Not the same situation but yeah he could be banished from the league.  
 

my point was, he’s not facing criminal charges.  Someone alluded to him going to prison - as of now that’s not on the table

Gang rape vs a creep on a massage table. 

Both are bad, rape is much worse.

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12 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

If I understand correctly, Araiza’s attorney is not claiming a rape did not take place , or a rape did take place.  His stance is Matt had consensual sex with this girl outside while she was cogent, then she went into a room and what happened there he has no clue. 
 

at least that is how I interpreted the attorney, but I could be wrong. 

 

Araiza's attorney is on record last night saying one if Matt's teammates may be charged. Meaning rape may have taken place. 

 

 

Other notes. Attorney claims that Araiza informed the NFL pre-draft that he was being accused.

 

But then walks back what the Bills may have known by saying that they were informed in the last six weeks...

 

What exactly did Matt Araiza inform the NFL of pre-draft? And what specifically did the Bills know? Did they know they would have a player named in a gang tape law suit? 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, teef said:

As others have mentioned, the bills reacting is my biggest curiosity at this point.  How in the living ***** could they have know about this?  

 

And thought it would be a such a good idea keeping him and they could asorb the media blitz over a damned punter.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

If I understand correctly, Araiza’s attorney is not claiming a rape did not take place , or a rape did take place.  His stance is Matt had consensual sex with this girl outside while she was cogent, then she went into a room and what happened there he has no clue. 
 

at least that is how I interpreted the attorney, but I could be wrong. 

That’s exactly what he’s saying. I’m going to guess that Araiza has witnesses backing up his story and that’s why the Bills didn’t release him.

 

The girl claims Araiza brought her to the bedroom. That’s the part where things get messy. So if it’s proven she was raped the question becomes who was in the room. What happened outside isn’t even in the lawsuit.

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13 hours ago, boater said:

Yeah. We'll just ignore that Araiza phoned/texted her to get a test for STDs. We'll just ignore her age. We'll just Watson the whole situation.



If a person commits rape, why would they text the partner to ask them to get tested for STD's...

That actually sounds consensual.

 

but I have to wait for the facts...

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12 hours ago, 716er said:


Araiza was talked about like the best punter ever. There were talks of him going in as high as the 2nd round.

 

He was then the 3rd punter off the board.

 

No doubt in my mind teams knew about this. 

Not necessarily.   Line drive kicks, Hang time, and not being a holder also hurt him.  He was not the highest rated punter in the draft. 
 

 

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1 minute ago, CountDorkula said:

That's not the theme ive gotten.

 

Yes some have jumped to conclusion ON BOTH SIDES.

 

Most have been level headed saying If true he needs to be punished and that goes beyond football.

 

What I cant put up with is people in here victim shaming and blaming here for being at that party. 

 

 

 

 

 

I haven't been through the entire thread, but the first few pages were filled with people saying he's guilty based on the LA Times article alone.

 

Nobody should be jumping to conclusions. Every one of us however is guaranteed the presumption of innocence. If proven guilty then throw the book at him.

 

Women being afraid to come forward in these situations has absolutely been a problem. But allowing the pendulum to swing in the opposite direction with the pitchfork mob mentality of guilty by accusation that we've seen in recent years is not helping with that problem. 

 

There has absolutely been actual victim shaming in this thread, but there's also been people saying that if you say he's innocent until proven guilty then that is victim shaming. 

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31 minutes ago, ALF said:

In California, it is illegal for an adult (someone 18 or older) to have sex with a minor (someone younger than 18), even if the sex is consensual. Those who break the law have committed statutory rape.

 

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/california-statutory-rape-laws.htm#:~:text=In California%2C it is illegal,law have committed statutory rape.

 

Thanks for posting this.  California allows Mistake of Age as a defense.  Without knowing the details, it seems a reasonable assumption that attendees of a college party are beyond the age of consent. 

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2 minutes ago, napmaster said:

 

Thanks for posting this.  California allows Mistake of Age as a defense.  Without knowing the details, it seems a reasonable assumption that attendees of a college party are beyond the age of consent. 

 


I just wonder if the Bills truly feel it is a wise decision to hedge their bets on the "mistake of age" defense?

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8 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

She was 17. That’s one fact we don’t have to wait for. 

 

 

I don't think I'm asking anyone for an ID at a party in college, he may be guilty here and have to pay for that but I'm not going to hang him for something like that... 

Now if he was more involved in pouring the drink and getting teammates to pile on then that's a different story

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13 minutes ago, teef said:

As others have mentioned, the bills reacting is my biggest curiosity at this point.  How in the living ***** could they have know about this?  

https://dailysnark.com/2022/08/25/report-buffalo-bills-knew-about-matt-araizas-sexual-assault-allegations-last-month-and-still-cut-his-competition-from-team/

 

Hmm, who knows if this is credible...

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3 minutes ago, napmaster said:

 

Thanks for posting this.  California allows Mistake of Age as a defense.  Without knowing the details, it seems a reasonable assumption that attendees of a college party are beyond the age of consent. 

Attorney is saying that he has witnesses who are claiming she told everyone she went to a specific college 

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22 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Were the accusations this serious though?

 

I don't recall the incidents with McCoy/Dodson so I'm not saying your wrong, just curious

Something happened with Ed Oliver too. Dodson was DV. I can’t remember Shady. Von Miller was just accused of something too. 

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Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Sort of, but they may have new information now

I don't think any new information has come about, other than its now in the public eye.

 

Also people are now contradicting that NFL teams new about this prior to the draft.

 

This is getting very confusing.

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13 hours ago, Pasaluki said:

yeah the girl was covered in blood according to the complaint. So I can throw stones no problem actually. 

Yeah, But that doesn't prove Araiza caused it.

If I was at a party and met a girl I didn't know, and she had nose and belly button rings or piercings? Yeah, I going to figure she's of age.

What parent would allow their underage child to get nose and bellybutton piercing? 

Now of course, being that she's underage doesn't bode well for Matt.

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53 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

It's impossible to listen to WGR.

 

The employer has to let the courts and legal play out before just believing what someone says.

 

I wonder how Jeremy would feel if he got fired today because a girl said she had intercourse with him?   

 Oh please. Get the facts right. 
 

A young woman was beaten and bloodied by 3-5 men on the football team. The next day went to the hospital. 


In understand some people want to whitewash this because it’s the Bills.  But your boiling down of the situation is disrespectful. 

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2 minutes ago, DrBob806 said:

 

His criminal attorney (in that clip posted earlier in the thread) makes it damned clear that the Bills knew about it before they cut Haack. There's no getting around that.

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41 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

That’s actually not true. It has be performance/ability related to be cut (remember the whole vaccine thing last year?). At this point it would be tough to prove that he’s being cut for those reasons after cutting Haack already. Sure they could cut him if he did something off the field. But as it stands right now The nflpa and his agent would fight it since he’s only been accused in a civil lawsuit at this point. I don’t believe he can go on the exempt list per the CBA as that’s related to the personal conduct policy and this occurred in college. 

Fair points.  We will see what happens today, but the Bills have known about this for minimum 3 weeks.  They could have cut him anytime during this time and kept other punter and called it performance.  Bills have messed this up and have today to fix it.  He shouldn’t dress or play for Bills, period.

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11 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

And thought it would be a such a good idea keeping him and they could asorb the media blitz over a damned punter.

 

 

At the end of the day, this is it.  Unless they have some evidence that they truly absolves this guy, why keep him?    

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4 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

 

 he's innocent until proven guilty.

And this has been said no less that 100 times in this thread as if it is some sort of complex concept that everyone doesn't understand.

 

No one here has the power to subject Matt to any criminal punishment.  Innocent until proven guilty is for the courts.

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1 minute ago, pocoboy said:

 

Yeah pretty sure he means that the press is going to ask like 100K questions about this.

 

I guess we can go with the over under of how many times the press will ask questions that they will get the same no comment answer to.

 

I'd go with much less than 100k and put the over/under at 2.

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1 minute ago, Buffaloflash said:

Yeah, But that doesn't prove Araiza caused it.

If I was at a party and met a girl I didn't know, and she had nose and belly button rings or piercings? Yeah, I going to figure she's of age.

What parent would allow their underage child to get nose and bellybutton piercing? 

Now of course, being that she's underage doesn't bode well for Matt.

A) Do you not remember high school?

B) You "Assuming" is not a viable defense and will not hold up in court. 

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She was 17.  If the rape kit has his DNA, he's going to get charged with a felony.  The police, however, will not release the result of the potential victim's rape kit to her.  WTF?

 

Those results will eventually be released and then we'll see.  Not a great look for the Bills.  May explain the draft day slide.

 

Don't know if the video has been posted (have not been through the whole thread), but it was an open secret on campus.  SDSU not looking great either.

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