DJB Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) Props to the poster that called this a few days ago. Please announce yourself as well for a complimentary back rub Edited August 24, 2022 by DJB 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Why in the hell would Miami want to trade that guy? I've hated playing against him...he seems to be the one Fin who shows up against Buffalo. 7 28 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 minute ago, eball said: Why in the hell would Miami want to trade that guy? I've hated playing against him...he seems to be the one Fin who shows up against Buffalo. don't want to sign him to a new deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 At this point I can easily see Howard getting cut. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, eball said: Why in the hell would Miami want to trade that guy? I've hated playing against him...he seems to be the one Fin who shows up against Buffalo. I read somewhere that he was struggling to pick up McDaniels Offense.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, DJB said: Props to the poster that called this a few days ago. Please announce yourself as well for a complimentary back rub 3 minutes ago, eball said: Why in the hell would Miami want to trade that guy? I've hated playing against him...he seems to be the one Fin who shows up against Buffalo. For some reason, he's become Tremaine Edmunds to their fans, but he seems to be on the outs with their staff for some reason. They do prefer TEs who can block and catch, but I don't understand why they just don't use him like a slot receiver out of a 2 TE set or something. Given his receiving prowess, it seems like an offensive genius could find a way to use him. McDaniel feels to me like one of those guys who doesn't design an offense to his players. Edited August 24, 2022 by Malazan 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, eball said: Why in the hell would Miami want to trade that guy? I've hated playing against him...he seems to be the one Fin who shows up against Buffalo. My guess is that he can’t block. The niner offense needs TEs that can block. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 minute ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said: I read somewhere that he was struggling to pick up McDaniels Offense.. Probably requires him to block. 3 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, eball said: Why in the hell would Miami want to trade that guy? I've hated playing against him...he seems to be the one Fin who shows up against Buffalo. McDaniel comes from the Shanahan stretch zone school where TE’s have a lot of blocking responsibilities. Gesicki is a ***** blocker and has basically just been playing as a big WR in the Dolphins offense the last couple of years. He’s admitted as much so his value in their new offense is low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 No way they’d trade him to us…but man imagine adding TE of his caliber!! 5 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Just now, uninja said: McDaniel comes from the Shanahan stretch zone school where TE’s have a lot of blocking responsibilities. Gesicki is a ***** blocker and has basically just been playing as a big WR in the Dolphins offense the last couple of years. He’s admitted as much so his value in their new offense is low. It's also why he wouldn't really fit here, not that they'd trade him here anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, eball said: Why in the hell would Miami want to trade that guy? I've hated playing against him...he seems to be the one Fin who shows up against Buffalo. Good question. He has the 2nd highest cap hit on the team ($10M), but the Dolphins have $17M of cap space 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 I love that a division rival is looking to get rid of one of their most talented players for a bag of peanuts and a roll of tape They just ponied up a buttload of cash for several guys that are on the downside of their careers (see Hill, Tyreke), but don't want to give a second contract to a homegrown stud player just because he doesn't seem to fit what your new Boy Wonder coach wants to do? SMFH - Mike McDaniel is already turning into Adam Gase 2.0 and I for one, couldn't be happier 11 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Just now, Beck Water said: Good question. He has the 2nd highest cap hit on the team ($10M), but the Dolphins have $17M of cap space Contract year and he's looking to get paid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Malazan said: For some reason, he's become Tremaine Edmunds to their fans, but he seems to be on the outs with their staff for some reason. They do prefer TEs who can block and catch, but I don't understand why they just don't use him like a slot receiver out of a 2 TE set or something. Given his receiving prowess, it seems like an offensive genius could find a way to use him. They can do that and if they can’t trade him, they probably will do that at times….. but they aren’t going to change their offense because he can’t block. Considering the deal he’ll want, there’s no way they’d want to spend big on a TE that doesn’t fit their needs. Might as well get something for him and avoid any potential headache he may cause because he doesn’t fit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, NewEra said: My guess is that he can’t block. The niner offense needs TEs that can block. He's primarily been a large WR with no blocking responsibilities. Now they want him to block and he's struggling. Interesting roster management though. They franchised tagged him and now want to trade him. 😁 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, eball said: Why in the hell would Miami want to trade that guy? I've hated playing against him...he seems to be the one Fin who shows up against Buffalo. I was listening to Grossi/Perna and they were suggesting that Mikey don't block and McDaniel doesn't want a TE that can't block. EDIT: What NewERA and DCbillsFan said Edited August 24, 2022 by wjag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Yeah but here’s the question-can he block??? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: My guess is that he can’t block. The niner offense needs TEs that can block. That's a fair point. Gesicki is more like a 6'6" wide receiver. He was seldom asked to block. But the Dolphins franchise-tagged him at the start of the new league year, almost exactly a month after hiring McDaniel as head coach. So it's not like he had blocking chops on film that have evaporated in the meantime. He also was 2nd on the Dolphins in receiving yards to Waddle. If the Dolphins didn't want a 6'6" 247 lb wide receiver, why did they tag him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marck Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, Malazan said: For some reason, he's become Tremaine Edmunds to their fans, but he seems to be on the outs with their staff for some reason. They do prefer TEs who can block and catch, but I don't understand why they just don't use him like a slot receiver out of a 2 TE set or something. Given his receiving prowess, it seems like an offensive genius could find a way to use him. McDaniel feels to me like one of those guys who doesn't design an offense to his players. Gesecki dosent block, runs poor routes, limited YAC, Big WR in TE body, FA at the end of the year and has a 9 million plus contract 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, NewEra said: My guess is that he can’t block. The niner offense needs TEs that can block. Can we trade him for Tommy Sweeney 😎 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, StHustle said: No way they’d trade him to us…but man imagine adding TE of his caliber!! I don't think he's a match for the skill set we expect of a TE. We even expect our WR to block decently. Davis blocks well. Even the Muscle Hamster can lay a respectable block down. 14 minutes ago, nucci said: don't want to sign him to a new deal Then why did they franchise tag him? Edited August 24, 2022 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: At this point I can easily see Howard getting cut. Outside of Knox, who do we have that's better? 1 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 20 minutes ago, DJB said: Props to the poster that called this a few days ago. Please announce yourself as well for a complimentary back rub OP I know it is stressful to post before Yolo but now when you are relaxed can you pls fix Gesicki's name in title? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, NewEra said: They can do that and if they can’t trade him, they probably will do that at times….. but they aren’t going to change their offense because he can’t block. Considering the deal he’ll want, there’s no way they’d want to spend big on a TE that doesn’t fit their needs. Might as well get something for him and avoid any potential headache he may cause because he doesn’t fit I think Gesicki is a fine player, but if he doesn't fit their needs, why TF did they franchise tag him? Or, if they decided to franchise tag him, why didn't they "tag and trade" early in FA when teams had money and roster space, and could spend the off season teaching a new guy their playbook and working him in? I could be wrong, but I kind of think their trade market for a guy with a 1 yr, $10.9M fully guaranteed deal is gonna be a bit limited at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Beck Water said: I could be wrong, but I kind of think their trade market for a guy with a 1 yr, $10.9M fully guaranteed deal is gonna be a bit limited at this point. Unless the Dolphins and the potential trade partner does a sign then trade type of deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Bills have to pass on guys like this. I for one believe a late day 2 or early day 3 pick next year will be used for another TE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Beck Water said: I think Gesicki is a fine player, but if he doesn't fit their needs, why TF did they franchise tag him? Or, if they decided to franchise tag him, why didn't they "tag and trade" early in FA when teams had money and roster space, and could spend the off season teaching a new guy their playbook and working him in? I could be wrong, but I kind of think their trade market for a guy with a 1 yr, $10.9M fully guaranteed deal is gonna be a bit limited at this point. Tampa? Brate and Rudolph are their TEs. Tommy knows how to get a ball to the TE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Outside of Knox, who do we have that's better? Makes sense to get rid of Howard. From the OP's attachment TE O.J. HOWARD, BUFFALO BILLS It was notable to see tight end Quintin Morris, not Howard, start in place of Dawson Knox in Buffalo's Week 2 preseason matchup, which Knox missed to be with his family after the tragic death of his younger brother. Next off the bench was Tommy Sweeney. Then Howard got reps. Morris played seven snaps in the first quarter, while Sweeney received three snaps and Howard was on the field for just one play in the opening quarter. It wasn’t ultimately all that shocking, however, since PFF was told by a source earlier in the week after Jalen Wydermyer was released that Buffalo believed Morris was one of their most improved players this offseason. That source believed Morris could push Howard, who was identified as a training camp “faller” for a piece earlier this month, off the roster. Morris, a 2021 undrafted free agent out of Bowling Green, boasts a 77.8 PFF grade through two preseason games. He has good size at 6-foot-2, 252 pounds and ran a 4.66-second 40-yard dash last spring. Sweeney has earned a 73.0 mark, while Howard has garnered a 59.6 grade and has played more preseason snaps than Morris and Sweeney. The Bills would save $2.25 million if they traded or released Howard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: Bills have to pass on guys like this. I for one believe a late day 2 or early day 3 pick next year will be used for another TE. Last Miami TE Buffalo snagged didn't work out so well. 1 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, Beck Water said: I don't think he's a match for the skill set we expect of a TE. We even expect our WR to block decently. Davis blocks well. Even the Muscle Hamster can lay a respectable block down. Knox Gesiki Howard Giliam two blocking TEs and two play makers…could work out….not gonna happen but that would be crazy to have Knox and Gesiki 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 minute ago, wjag said: Last Miami TE Buffalo snagged didn't work out so well. Yeppers. Guy was hurt more than not. They will go with Knox and the "others" this year and draft another if Knox signs an extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 25 minutes ago, nucci said: don't want to sign him to a new deal Right, that money must go to their shiny new franchise QB 🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, Beck Water said: That's a fair point. Gesicki is more like a 6'6" wide receiver. He was seldom asked to block. But the Dolphins franchise-tagged him at the start of the new league year, almost exactly a month after hiring McDaniel as head coach. So it's not like he had blocking chops on film that have evaporated in the meantime. He also was 2nd on the Dolphins in receiving yards to Waddle. If the Dolphins didn't want a 6'6" 247 lb wide receiver, why did they tag him? Article from the Miami Herald: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article264716879.html Quote Long after Tua Tagovailoa and every other offensive starter for the Miami Dolphins checked out of the game for good Saturday, Mike Gesicki remained at his usual spot on the edges of the Dolphins’ offensive line. Gesicki was out there on the very first play of the game and until the very end of the second half, his 25 snaps standing in stark contrast to Tagovailoa’s 13 and Durham Smythe’s 10. On a day when most starters’ days were done after about a dozen snaps, Gesicki’s play count was more akin to a reserve fighting to prove himself and secure a roster spot. “I need it,” Gesicki said. “I need all the reps I can get.” Quote Gesicki finished the preseason tune-up with three catches for 27 yards, including a 16-yard catch in the second quarter. He also, however, had an ugly drop on third down to end the Dolphins’ opening drive and missed a block in the second quarter (....) Although Gesicki and McDaniel both pointed to the playcall as the primary reason for the safety, the blocking mishap highlighted an ongoing issue for Gesicki in this new-look offense. For most of his career, Gesicki has essentially been a slot receiver, seldom asked to block. (....) “It’s definitely a whole different offense, a whole different scheme. I’m learning a new position, honestly,” Gesicki said. “I played receiver last year, I played receiver the last three, four years. I’m playing tight end now. Any reps I can get live out there, blocking, putting my hands on another guy and going out there and working hard and blocking and honestly just working on my footwork, my hand placement, all that kind of stuff. Any reps I can get at that, I can use it.” If he can grasp his new role, Gesicki can once again be one of the most dangerous weapons in the NFL — even more dangerous than he was last year. For now, it creates an uneasy situation, though: By asking Gesicki to block more than he did last year, the Dolphins aren’t playing to his strengths. All this is to confirm what people here are saying, but if you want a multi-purpose TE, why on earth franchise tag (unless immediate tag-and-trade, which would likely have worked OK) a large-bodied WR who needs to learn how to play TE? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 He has an insane catch radius and outstanding hands, but as others have said, is more of a big WR than inline TE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Asking a primarily receiving TE to block isn't going to work. It would be almost like asking a DT to play OLB in a 3-4 defense....luckily this franchise has never done anything like that. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 35 minutes ago, eball said: Why in the hell would Miami want to trade that guy? I've hated playing against him...he seems to be the one Fin who shows up against Buffalo. He only shows up against Buffalo. He disappears in too many other games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Hope they dump him for nothing. Fitz to Gesicki drove me crazy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goober Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 minute ago, MJS said: He only shows up against Buffalo. He disappears in too many other games. Maybe, but I've heard he's a good blocker at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Makes sense to get rid of Howard. From the OP's attachment TE O.J. HOWARD, BUFFALO BILLS It was notable to see tight end Quintin Morris, not Howard, start in place of Dawson Knox in Buffalo's Week 2 preseason matchup, which Knox missed to be with his family after the tragic death of his younger brother. Next off the bench was Tommy Sweeney. Then Howard got reps. Morris played seven snaps in the first quarter, while Sweeney received three snaps and Howard was on the field for just one play in the opening quarter. It wasn’t ultimately all that shocking, however, since PFF was told by a source earlier in the week after Jalen Wydermyer was released that Buffalo believed Morris was one of their most improved players this offseason. That source believed Morris could push Howard, who was identified as a training camp “faller” for a piece earlier this month, off the roster. Morris, a 2021 undrafted free agent out of Bowling Green, boasts a 77.8 PFF grade through two preseason games. He has good size at 6-foot-2, 252 pounds and ran a 4.66-second 40-yard dash last spring. Sweeney has earned a 73.0 mark, while Howard has garnered a 59.6 grade and has played more preseason snaps than Morris and Sweeney. The Bills would save $2.25 million if they traded or released Howard. The Bills would save nothing if they released Howard because his contract is fully guaranteed. The trade partner would take on $2.25M of salary and per-game roster bonus, but then the salary of the player who replaces him must be accounted for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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