Cody Ford to Arizona

[RyanC883]

12 minutes ago, SCBills said:

The more surprising aspect for me is that Beane got a 5th for a guy on the last year of his rookie deal.  
 

With Saffold on a 1 year deal, I’ve always suspected the plan all along was to spend a Top 100 pick on the OL next draft, maybe even a double dip depending on how they handle the S and LB positions. 
 

No point in extending Cody Ford to be depth, nor would he probably have accepted a depth OL contract from us… and it sounds like we had no interest in even offering. 

 

with the way Bean drafts in the 1st 2 rounds (esp. the 2nd) compared to later rounds, I'd rather use a 3rd and 5th on OL  

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Yeah but sometimes bills mafia needs to tap the brakes on the over the top Beane love.

 

The bottom line is that he swung and missed big time for a guy he coveted and traded up for. It happens to all GM's but saying 'OMG we got a 5th rounder for Ford' is a loss no matter which way you spin it give the circumstances.

 

No.  As a fan of the Bills for 50+ years, no.  He's the best GM this team has ever had in my opinion.

You may have another and that's fine.  The only thing that will change my mind is Brandon Beane making bad moves over and over and over.

If he does, I'll change my mind.

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

LMAO OUR LONG TIME NATIONAL NIGHTMARE IS OVER

 

Edmunds is gone? 

[marck]

9 minutes ago, First Round Bust said:

at end of the day:

Beano is going to miss:  2nd round for Ford, 3rd rounder for Kelvin Benjamin come to mind

Josh is going to throw the occasional INT

our RBs are going to fumble once-in-awhile

WRs going to drop passes as well...

OL gonna jump early and hold on touchdowns - happened Saturday

DBs gonna hold on DL sacks - happened Saturday

 

we got 28 starts from Cody, we save about 500k in cap space(1.4M in salary gone, minus 900k in dead), got a fifth rounder back which is where Beano excels, Ford cant swing to tackle which is something the draft department now knows better how go to gauge, tihik RAS (Doyle, Brown).

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/cody-ford-29074/stats-valuation/

 

 

No dead cap on a trade, sorry to point out your lack of knowledge as to how the cap works.

 

Any other brilliant thoughts to share?

[The Jokeman]

9 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

Don't worry, we can get Blackshear to play CB or S.  

No Cam Lewis is or CB or S candidate.

[Logic]

10 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Yeah but sometimes bills mafia needs to tap the brakes on the over the top Beane love.

 

The bottom line is that he swung and missed big time for a guy he coveted and traded up for. It happens to all GM's but saying 'OMG we got a 5th rounder for Ford' is a loss no matter which way you spin it give the circumstances.

Beane missed on Cody Ford.

Beane got impressive compensation back, considering the level of player that Ford is and what other, better guards have gotten in return.

Both things can be true. These facts are not mutually exclusive.

[eball]

Does anyone think Brandon Beane is sitting at his desk right now kicking himself for "wasting" a 2nd round pick on Cody Ford?

 

F**k no, he isn't.  He doesn't live in the past and he is smart enough to know that talent evaluators make mistakes in the NFL.  The key to thriving is to move on from your mistakes and maximize your return.

 

We have a top 5 NFL GM and should all be thanking our lucky stars for it.  Sorry he missed on a couple of picks/FAs -- we have the best friggin' roster in the NFL and a superstar QB that Beane hand-picked.

 

Carry on.

 

[FilthyBeast]

4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah, he is. You don't think you're correct when you say that, but you are.

 

Pretending that geniuses don't make mistakes is butt-stupid. They do. Everyone - absolutely everyone - does. Geniuses make few enough of them that they produce excellent outcomes.

 

Beane has done precisely that.

 

No GM hits on every pick, especially in the 1st/2nd/3rd rounds. But it's hard to call someone a genius just because he flipped a bust for a 5th rounder.

 

Not really looking to turn this thread into a a debate about Beane but I really don't see him as the messiah some think he is.  This team wins a SB that's a different story but until then it's fair to criticize some of the more questionable draft picks he's made.

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

It’s not “bad” at all but nor is it “amazing.”

 

Off-topic but what could have been: a line with Schnowman Dawkins, Cody Ford, Mitch Morse, Wyatt Teller and Spencer Brown would’ve been the most Wild West-sounding o-line of all time.

 

It seems apparent enough to me that Cody Ford was not going to get another contract and they are moving on.

Sorry, but that is the reality as of today.

[Utah John]

And we traded Wyatt Teller so we could keep Ford.  That will rankle for years to come.

[eball]

Just now, FilthyBeast said:

 

No GM hits on every pick, especially in the 1st/2nd/3rd rounds. But it's hard to call someone a genius just because he flipped a bust for a 5th rounder.

 

Not really looking to turn this thread into a a debate about Beane but I really don't see him as the messiah some think he is.  This team wins a SB that's a different story but until then it's fair to criticize some of the more questionable draft picks he's made.

 

 

Hi there.

[Thurman#1]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

with the way Bean drafts in the 1st 2 rounds (esp. the 2nd) compared to later rounds, I'd rather use a 3rd and 5th on OL  

 

 

He drafts well in the first and it's too early to know how well he will do in the 2nd.

 

When we know how Basham and Epenesa and eventually Cook turn out, we'll have a better sense of his record. 

 

In 2019 and 2018, far enough back you can have a pretty good sense of how someone will turn out, he only had one 2nd round pick. The results do not appear good, but one person is simply not a significant sample.

[Augie]

23 minutes ago, eball said:

 

He's top 5 without question.  That's good enough for me.

 

 

Some people here require perfection (like they think they see in the mirror every morning). Always finding that one thing that went wrong and latch on for dear life. 

 

I’m with you, if you look at the Big Picture you will realize how fortunate we are to have him. A little hyperbole after a trade like this is to be expected. Relax people. These are very good times. 

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Utah John said:

And we traded Wyatt Teller so we could keep Ford.  That will rankle for years to come.

 

Yep.  Although he did get a 5th (same pick used for Wyatt Teller).  Maybe he will rectify the mistake.

[eball]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Some people here require perfection (like they think they see in the mirror every morning). Always finding that one thing that went wrong and latch on for dear life. 

 

I’m with you, if you look at the Big Picture you will realize how fortunate we are to have him. A little hyperbole after a trade like this is to be expected. Relax people. These are very good times. 

 

Seriously.  We'll win the goddamn Super Bowl and some of these fuggers will B word because the confetti mix had too much red and not enough blue.

 

[FilthyBeast]

7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

No.  As a fan of the Bills for 50+ years, no.  He's the best GM this team has ever had in my opinion.

You may have another and that's fine.  The only thing that will change my mind is Brandon Beane making bad moves over and over and over.

If he does, I'll change my mind.

 

Polian was still the best GM, just like Levy was still the best HC.

 

I get the JA17 vs Kelly debate as well but bottom line for me as another long time Bills fan is this current group has to at least get to won SB before any of these comparisons are valid.

 

Get to just one SB and win it and then there's a real logical argument obviously even if this group never returns to that stage.

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

Some people here require perfection (like they think they see in the mirror every morning). Always finding that one thing that went wrong and latch on for dear life. 

 

I’m with you, if you look at the Big Picture you will realize how fortunate we are to have him. A little hyperbole after a trade like this is to be expected. Relax people. These are very good times. 

 

A lot more also like to troll or just don't like people who succeed in life.  It's hard to separate the differences on a message board.

[GunnerBill]

49 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

I wonder if after those public comments from Dawkins, Beane didn't approach him like, "bub, do me a favor..."?

 

Possible though I don't think Dion needs to be told when to call someone out. He is one of the voices of this team and if he judges someone needs it he will let them have it. 

[The Jokeman]

5 minutes ago, Utah John said:

And we traded Wyatt Teller so we could keep Ford.  That will rankle for years to come.

And if Wyatt makes endless Pro Bowls and wins nothing but we win a Super Bowl in next few years it won't matter.

[RyanC883]

8 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

He drafts well in the first and it's too early to know how well he will do in the 2nd.

 

When we know how Basham and Epenesa and eventually Cook turn out, we'll have a better sense of his record. 

 

In 2019 and 2018, far enough back you can have a pretty good sense of how someone will turn out, he only had one 2nd round pick. The results do not appear good, but one person is simply not a significant sample.

 

2nd round seems to have yielded very little so far.  I don't think it's too early on Basham or esp. Epenesa.  Both were "pro ready" and were/are huge disappointments.  Meanwhile, later picked guys like Milano are fantastic.  I'd pick the OL in the 5th.  Just trade our 2nds. 

 

That said, I'm holding out hope for Cook,. and Bahsam/Epenesa to perform better given the attention Miller will get and Oliver's increasingly amazing play.  

Edited August 22, 2022 by RyanC883

[Aussie Joe]

34 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I am not the one calling Beane a “genius wizard God-man” - he’s a very good GM.  Period.  He ain’t the best; he’s far from the worst.  That’s ok and maybe we should just accept it.

Tell me who you think is the best GM so I can take a look at their impeccable draft history…

 

By the way… I don’t think Beane is perfect by any means… the Ford pick wouldn’t even be in his top 3 F ups.., ( Star contract , trading for Benjamin trading Teller..)

 

But if the end result is him putting together a championship team than his individual mistakes along the way won’t mean squat…

[Thurman#1]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

No GM hits on every pick, especially in the 1st/2nd/3rd rounds. But it's hard to call someone a genius just because he flipped a bust for a 5th rounder.

 

Not really looking to turn this thread into a a debate about Beane but I really don't see him as the messiah some think he is.  This team wins a SB that's a different story but until then it's fair to criticize some of the more questionable draft picks he's made.

 

 

 

 

Well, yes, it's impossible to call someone a genius because of a minor move like that one. But the guy you were replying to when you made that statement wasn't doing that. You were (at least to him) throwing up a straw man.

 

It's always fair to criticize picks, wrong or right, but you'll be criticized for some of those criticisms sometimes with very good reason.

 

Messiah? No. Absolutely terrific GM overall? Um, yeah. The GM's main responsibility is to build a terrific roster. Beane has done that. Without question. It's not a mistake he generally falls somewhere in the top three or so on most GM lists these days.

 

Hell, you can find lists where he's #1 these days. When was the last time that happened with a Bills GM?

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-gm-power-rankings-bills-brandon-beane-sean-mcdermott-rams-les-snead-top-the-

 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-general-manager-rankings-2021/1hfg2twob1m7l1ij24pbqwnwrw

 

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/article/goal-line-stand/nfls-best-gms-2022

 

He was executive of the year, voted on by his peers, in 2020.

 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-awards-2020-chiefs-browns-bills/n3zug71hkf0h1oemcc1v9k6ij

 

We're extremely fortunate to have him.

 

 

[NewEra]

45 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Brandon Beane turns 2nd round pick into 5th round pick.

 

Bills fans:

Beane turns a crappy player that we all wanted to cut for a 5th rd pick.

[CSBill]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

 

Wow! I didn’t see that coming. I guess they like the alternatives. Bobby, “ say it ain’t so” Hart??? 😜

[Thurman#1]

12 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

2nd round seems to have yielded very little so far.  I don't think it's too early on Basham or esp. Epenesa.  Both were "pro ready" and were/are huge disappointments.  Meanwhile, later picked guys like Milano are fantastic.  I'd pick the OL in the 5th.  Just trade our 2nds. 

 

That said, I'm holding out hope for Cook,. and Bahsam/Epenesa to perform better given the attention Miller will get and Oliver's increasingly amazing play.  

 

 

If you don't think it's too early on Basham and Epenesa, you're kidding yourself. This early, you're guessing.

 

Unless a guy has already been terrific or is off the team, it takes a minimum of three years to judge a guy.

 

Yeah, plenty jump the gun, and those folks are wrong a much much higher percentage of the time than those who correctly understand that very often these things take time.

 

 

Edited August 22, 2022 by Thurman#1

[John from Riverside]

13 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Polian was still the best GM, just like Levy was still the best HC.

 

I get the JA17 vs Kelly debate as well but bottom line for me as another long time Bills fan is this current group has to at least get to won SB before any of these comparisons are valid.

 

Get to just one SB and win it and then there's a real logical argument obviously even if this group never returns to that stage.

 

 

So they have to go to the Super Bowl and win it not even just get there in order to be compared to polian and levy 

 

OK……

[Kirby Jackson]

51 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I guess it is good to get some return, but Cody Ford started out as a 2nd round pick, and didn't we even trade up for him?

 

I don't think you get to claim a "W" if you buy a $5k state of the art TV, find out that key features don't work correctly, alternate between sending it for repairs or using it without those key features, and then, just when it appears it might finally work correctly, you sell it for $500 on Facebook Marketplace.

 

I mean, yea! you for getting some return for it but...

It was sunk cost. The pick wasn’t a win. Trading up to acquire him wasn’t a win. Getting a 5th round pick back for him was a win. All of those things are true. 

[NewEra]

34 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Yeah but sometimes bills mafia needs to tap the brakes on the over the top Beane love.

 

The bottom line is that he swung and missed big time for a guy he coveted and traded up for. It happens to all GM's but saying 'OMG we got a 5th rounder for Ford' is a loss no matter which way you spin it give the circumstances.

“Bills Mafia needs to tap the brakes on the over the top Beane love”….. why does the mafia NEED to tap the brakes.  What will happen if they don’t?  Please explain.  
 

the bottom line is that most of your posts suck.  
 

the other bottom line is that Beane got a 5th round pick for a player that you and mostly everyone else wanted to cut…. And get nothing.  You can’t go back in time….stop living in the past.  Concentrate on the mfing present.  It’s glorious 

Edited August 22, 2022 by NewEra

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Beane turns a crappy player that we all wanted to cut for a 5th rd pick.

It was a failure recognized. 

[Utah John]

9 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

And if Wyatt makes endless Pro Bowls and wins nothing but we win a Super Bowl in next few years it won't matter.

Sure.  I'm not condemning Beane, who I think has done a great job.  It's just one bad trade.

[RyanC883]

1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

If you don't think it's too early on Basham and Epenesa, you're wrong. This early, you're guessing.

 

Unless a guy has already been terrific or is off the team, it takes a minimum of three years to judge a guy.

 

Yeah, plenty jump the gun, and those folks are wrong a much much higher percentage of the time than those who correctly understand that plenty very often these things take time.

 

I understand it takes time, but Basham who is what, 24, was drafted due to being a 4 year starter.  He showed nothing last year, Creed Humphry, taken by KC in the 2nd, was a 1st team All-Pro I believe.  AJ has shown nothing since he has been here for 2 seasons now.   Both have the Bean 2nd round curse, that is hopefully undone by Cook.  I hope I'm wrong, and both could put up #'s this year due to Miller's presence, but I don't think either have shown the talent level of Groot for example.  

 

If you are a 1st-2nd round pick, you really need to show something in your first 2 years.  

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It was sunk cost. The pick wasn’t a win. Trading up to acquire him wasn’t a win. Getting a 5th round pick back for him was a win. All of those things are true. 

 

this

[First Round Bust]

24 minutes ago, marck said:

No dead cap on a trade, sorry to point out your lack of knowledge as to how the cap works.

 

as a matter of fact, yes, but that would require a grasp of facts and reading comprehension skills, keep the job...IF you have one

 

24 minutes ago, marck said:

Any other brilliant thoughts to share?

[wppete]

At least we got a decent pick for him. He was a free against after this year anyway right?

[clayboy54]

19 minutes ago, Utah John said:

And we traded Wyatt Teller so we could keep Ford.  That will rankle for years to come.

Come on John.  Teller took a long time to develop. We gave him time, just not enough. Plus, Teller is not a great pass blocker. He's unquestionably a fantastic run blocker. Would he even fit on the Bills today?

 

Likewise, Cody Ford might be a very serviceable run blocking guard for the Cards or someone else. Honestly, neither of these two guys are a fit on the Bills right now. If we had Teller back, we'd all be calling him a turnstile and a bust. But we don't have either now, and let's just leave it at that.

[Thurman#1]

9 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I understand it takes time, but Basham who is what, 24, was drafted due to being a 4 year starter.  He showed nothing last year, Creed Humphry, taken by KC in the 2nd, was a 1st team All-Pro I believe.  AJ has shown nothing since he has been here for 2 seasons now.   Both have the Bean 2nd round curse, that is hopefully undone by Cook.  I hope I'm wrong, and both could put up #'s this year due to Miller's presence, but I don't think either have shown the talent level of Groot for example.  

 

If you are a 1st-2nd round pick, you really need to show something in your first 2 years.  

 

this

 

 

You say you understand it takes time.

 

Thinking you can judge now shows you may understand intellectually but you haven't internalized this truth.

 

And "showed nothing" is just nonsense, for both of those guys. They've showed, though certainly not enough yet. But it's early, most particularly for Basham.

 

There is no 2nd round curse except in your mind. In a few years it might possibly become a thing. In a few years, who knows, maybe. Right now it makes no sense.

 

Groot was better. You'd generally expect that for a first rounder, but because one guy is good early does absolutely nothing to show that another guy drafted lower and will be a bad pick.

 

It could go either way.

Edited August 22, 2022 by Thurman#1

[stevewin]

31 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Could you provide a link? I Googled and can't seem to find this article.

It's subscription - The Athletic.  Was discussed here 

 

[NickelCity]

1 hour ago, Allen2Diggs said:

Having a guy who can at least be serviceable at guard and tackle is highly valuable and may mean that we can keep an extra D-lineman active.

 

Who are you calling serviceable? It would be wild if Hart was a serviceable guard. Perhaps he will be? Who knows. But I know he is not a serviceable tackle. Sure, he has played tackle, but he has never looked serviceable. 

 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

54 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I guess it is good to get some return, but Cody Ford started out as a 2nd round pick, and didn't we even trade up for him?

 

I don't think you get to claim a "W" if you buy a $5k state of the art TV, find out that key features don't work correctly, alternate between sending it for repairs or using it without those key features, and then, just when it appears it might finally work correctly, you sell it for $500 on Facebook Marketplace.

 

I mean, yea! you for getting some return for it but...

 

Here's the problem with your analogy  Typically when you buy a $5k high end TV, you expect it to work perfectly.  When drafting players, even high draft picks, many don't work out at all and the career is often short.  How's Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen look these days.  Even Mayfield is on his 2nd team.  Just as an FYI, the average career length of a 2nd round pick is 52 games, just over 3 seasons.

 

Many of the "TV's" in the NFL are dead on arrival or don't last very long at all, it's basically hit or miss and have no idea no matter how closely you check it out no idea if you're getting a good one.   So basically, the Bills got the life expectancy out of Ford.  You now have an old TV that's out of warranty, most TV's this old aren't even in workable fashion anymore, but the Bills cleaned it up, got it working and as you said sold it for $500 on Facebook, when most everyone else with similar TV's are dropping them off at thrift stores. 

 

That's better than most are doing with the TV's so it still can be viewed as a win or at least viewed as something few other are able to do.

 

[SBbeliever]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

A 5th round pick IS robbery

 

[JDubya76]

Wait, I thought the geniuses said that we would never be able to get draft assets for our castoffs. Huh, weird how Beane keeps doing it despite what the experts say.