Training Camp practice 8/1

[ColoradoBills]

9 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Even if we can’t afford Oliver next year, sounds like he’s going to have a great contract season.

 

The Bills have already exercised his 5th year option and he's playing for $10.7M.

He won't cost big money (cap) until 2024 or 2025 depending on when and how the contract unfolds.

[ColoradoBills]

26 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Much has been invested in this D line.  We had better see the return on investment this year.  If camp is any indicator, this defensive front is going to be scary. 

 

What makes me very excited is that 7 of the top 9 DL are already signed for next year.

Only Phillips and Shaq are UFA in 2023.  This line could really gel and become a force for the next 3-4 years.

 

If 1 or 2 of the depth safeties can step up and fill starter roles the D is pretty much set and the drafting resources can feature a lot

of offense the next 2 years!

 

I'm more hopeful of the DL than I have been in a long, long time.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

53 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Even if we can’t afford Oliver next year, sounds like he’s going to have a great contract season.

Oliver isn’t going anywhere. That’s a guy you pay. 

[stevewin]

2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Oliver isn’t going anywhere. That’s a guy you pay. 

Especially now lined up next to Von

[Logic]

3 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Oliver isn’t going anywhere. That’s a guy you pay. 

Yep.

I believe 3TDT is one of the positions that McDermott views as pretty vital to the success of his defense. 

Combine that with the Bills' "draft, develop, retain" team building strategy, and it's hard to picture Oliver going anywhere.

I suppose if Oliver has huge, unreasonable contract demands and, say, Tim Settle balls out and shows that he can provide the same productivity for less pay, then maybe Oliver leaves. I find that scenario unlikely on multiple fronts, though.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Logic

[eball]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

Much has been invested in this D line

 

The D line is the reason the Bills' seasons ended when they did in 2020 and 2021.  Not -- despite what some posters continue to suggest -- because of the OL.

 

Josh can overcome a bad to average OL.  Look what Burrow did last year, and he's no Josh.

 

Beane's priorities are absolutely in the right place.

 

[strive_for_five_guy]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Probably a little of both considering Bobby Hart was starting today…

Not a Hart fan?

[Warcodered]

 

[DapperCam]

46 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Oliver isn’t going anywhere. That’s a guy you pay. 

I tend to agree, but there will be some decision making between Edmunds, Poyer, Oliver and Knox. Doubt they can retain them all.

[The Wiz]

4 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

I tend to agree, but there will be some decision making between Edmunds, Poyer, Oliver and Knox. Doubt they can retain them all.

Poyer is likely the odd man out of the group if he's looking for anything substantial. 

 

It's the other three that Beane is going to have to figure out what to do with if they have a great year. 

Edited August 1, 2022 by The Wiz

[HiMark]

5 hours ago, SCBills said:

Re: The OL..  Any team missing a bunch of starters is going to struggle.  

 

Aside from them drafting a guy like Parham on Day 2... What did people want us to do?

 

Kromer/FO obviously didn't want Parham.  He was there for the taking and we took a LB.  We could've gone OL in RD1 or Rd2 and went CB/RB.  I can't say I have an issue with either Elam or Cook in those spots. 

 

I'm very comfortable with Dawkins - Saffold - Morse - Bates. 

 

You can't predict a guy will get in a car accident. 

 

In terms of depth, who are these teams that have better depth OL than the Bills?... Quessenberry looks like OL6 backing up OT and OG positions.  Then we have Mancz and Ford as vets who likely make the team as experienced depth, along with Doyle as the developmental Tackle.

 

Which brings us to Spencer Brown.  I too am getting concerned about his recovery.  On paper, this is a middle of the pack OL.  The potential to be better than average relies upon Bates showing he's legit as a full season starter and Spencer Brown making the jump in his second year.  

 

Kromer can only do so much if we are playing musical chairs all year with Spencer Brown.  

I was very disappointed that they passed on Parham.  Wanted him there and he went next off the board.  That said, I like Bernard, a lot.  I think people are reading his addition to the team a little wrong.  I see us using him of a lot of blitzes, like Parsons in Dallas.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

25 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

I tend to agree, but there will be some decision making between Edmunds, Poyer, Oliver and Knox. Doubt they can retain them all.

 

20 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Poyer is likely the odd man out of the group if he's looking for anything substantial. 

 

It's the other three that Beane is going to have to figure out what to do with if they have a great year. 

i think you put Oliver at the top of the list and let everything else fall into place as best you can. 
 

I also can see Poyer’s deal being just an add on with a few years and some guaranteed money— nothing that would break the bank. 

[Special K]

30 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

I tend to agree, but there will be some decision making between Edmunds, Poyer, Oliver and Knox. Doubt they can retain them all.

 

I know its a year or two out, but all signs are pointing to big things for Gabriel Davis this year....if so, that's another guy the Bills will have to figure out a way to keep on this roster.

 

IMO, I'd rather keep Davis over Knox, and Oliver over Edmunds if it came down to it.

 

As for Poyer, I don't think the Bills can afford to give him any more than a 1 or 2 year extension, unfortunately.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Special K

[ColoradoBills]

I'm starting to get a feeling that Beane will not extend any of the Knox, Edmunds, Poyer deals this year.

Add Singletary and others who are UFAs next year and it's probably not a bad idea to hold off to see what happens this season before committing.

Throw in Gabe Davis and it becomes a puzzlement where to put limited money and the unknown cap increase coming soon is also a variable.

 

Oliver is already signed for his 5th year option next year and he will no doubt be high on the list for a long-term contract.

[ganesh]

3 hours ago, DapperCam said:

Even if we can’t afford Oliver next year, sounds like he’s going to have a great contract season.

Oliver will be a Bills anchor for this D for a long time.  The cost will be high,

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

The D line is the reason the Bills' seasons ended when they did in 2020 and 2021.  Not -- despite what some posters continue to suggest -- because of the OL.

 

Josh can overcome a bad to average OL.  Look what Burrow did last year, and he's no Josh.

 

Beane's priorities are absolutely in the right place.

 

 

 

The defensive line isn't why they were on the road in the playoffs last year.    The Bills defense was #1 in the NFL.   

 

And no team has invested more in the DL since 2018 than the Bills.........the myriad of free agents haven't panned out so far and the 4 first and second round picks haven't made a lot of impact plays yet.  

 

Love the Von Miller signing but Star, Murphy, Butler, Jefferson, Addison........that's about $100M prioritized on mediocrity.    

 

For all of that investment in the DL they haven't had a double digit sacker in McD's 5 seasons here.........the longest such streak for the Bills since sacks became an official stat.

[SCBills]

25 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The defensive line isn't why they were on the road in the playoffs last year.    The Bills defense was #1 in the NFL.   

 

And no team has invested more in the DL since 2018 than the Bills.........the myriad of free agents haven't panned out so far and the 4 first and second round picks haven't made a lot of impact plays yet.  

 

Love the Von Miller signing but Star, Murphy, Butler, Jefferson, Addison........that's about $100M prioritized on mediocrity.    

 

For all of that investment in the DL they haven't had a double digit sacker in McD's 5 seasons here.........the longest such streak for the Bills since sacks became an official stat.

Bills Defense played 4 good offenses all year. 
 

Chiefs during their slump, Titans w/ Henry, Colts and Bucs. 
 

1-3 in those 4 games, with the Defense providing barely mediocre resistance (at best) in the losses. 

[That's No Moon]

31 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

The Bills defense was #1 in the NFL.

The Bills defense was incredibly overrated last year.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

The Bills defense was incredibly overrated last year.

On paper, I think Buffalo has the best Defense in the NFL heading into this year .. but last year, they were wildly mediocre against any good QB.  We were “shenanigans on a Matt Ryan slide” away from going down to the wire at home against Atlanta in poor conditions. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[John from Riverside]

24 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

The Bills defense was incredibly overrated last year.

It was it was a question is is an overrated number one overall defense where did it really sit it didn’t sit at the bottom of the lead if it was number one

[Chaos]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

It was it was a question is is an overrated number one overall defense where did it really sit it didn’t sit at the bottom of the lead if it was number one

Your left your word salad machine on. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

Burn the blue pants

[John from Riverside]

15 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Say it ain’t Shnow 

 

 

 

I love seeing a fat man score because then you get a fat man dance

[Albany,n.y.]

12 hours ago, Jerry Jabber said:

 

He's preparing to be in the booth for the 1st preseason game TV broadcast & is practicing for his announcing debut.  

Edited August 2, 2022 by Albany,n.y.

[Let's Go Buffalo]

It's great to have Dawkins back today! It's finally August....Pads are popping.....Go Bills!

Edited August 2, 2022 by Let's Go Buffalo

[BADOLBILZ]

15 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Bills Defense played 4 good offenses all year. 
 

Chiefs during their slump, Titans w/ Henry, Colts and Bucs. 
 

1-3 in those 4 games, with the Defense providing barely mediocre resistance (at best) in the losses. 

 

 

Well no.......you are omitting one of the more high scoring offenses in the NFL.

 

The Patriots offense was better than both TN and Indy.

 

The Bills played and dominated NE defensively 3 times on their way to being the only team in the NFL to give up less than 300 points on the season.

 

If you had said before the season that the Bills would go 1-2 on the road versus KC, TN and Tampa.........nobody would have been surprised............the Indy game was a disaster but the offense and ST's were atrocious that day as well.

 

What really hurt was losing to two of the worst offenses in the NFL..........Pittsburgh and Jacksonville.........despite dominating them defensively.

 

6 points against winless, league worst Jacksonville was one of the worst offensive showings and most inexcusable losses in Bills history.     Defense didn't allow a TD that day.

[Warcodered]

27 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Well now that kid has to get a 91 jersey.

[Shaw66]

In his article about today's practice, Joe Buscaglia in The Athletic says that Shakir had an absolutely brutal day.   Several drops, deflection for INT, muffed punt.   All of a sudden he really was struggling.  He says Shakir is still a lock.  

 

Shakir’s Monday morning got off to a rocky start during a half-speed session, where he let a pass go right through his hands and deflected to a defender. McDermott likely didn’t want to end the drill with a mental lapse, so he had them take two more snaps before the practice got underway. Shakir’s shakiness with the ball continued throughout the day.

 

Shakir worked in as a punt returner while punters Matt Haack and Matt Araiza were going through their reps, and Shakir muffed one punt and bobbled a couple of others. From there, in team drills, one Keenum pass went through Shakir’s hands and was picked off by the defense. Shakir added another drop to the day, but this one deflected into the air and left tackle Dion Dawkins ran under it for a comical catch. Shakir’s final opportunity in team drills came on a quick throw from Allen that cornerback Dane Jackson helped break up, but Shakir got both hands on the pass. While that one wasn’t a classic drop, it’s one you’d like to see the receiver come down with in a contested situation.

Edited August 2, 2022 by Shaw66

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Thought they played really well in the 2nd half of that Bucs game, Titans game they couldn’t stop ***** for the 2nd year in a row and had absolutely 0 pass rush on Tannehill, same with the Colts game.

Defense really struggled vs power running team's like the Titans and colts. For playoffs that season was scared for the Bills to play any of those teams. Was super glad to play Patriots first.

1 minute ago, Shaw66 said:

In his article about today's practice, Joe Buscaglia in The Athletic says that Shakir had an absolutely brutal day.   Several drops, deflection for INT, muffed punt.   All of a sudden he really was struggling.  He says Shakir is still a lock.  

Could of had a off day. Still have high hopes for shakir.

[BADOLBILZ]

50 minutes ago, SCBills said:

On paper, I think Buffalo has the best Defense in the NFL heading into this year .. but last year, they were wildly mediocre against any good QB.  We were “shenanigans on a Matt Ryan slide” away from going down to the wire at home against Atlanta in poor conditions. 

 

 

Yeah...........the offense almost cost Buffalo a W that day.

 

Josh Allen had one of the worst days of his career passing the ball........... 11-26 for 120 yards 0 TD's and 3 interceptions.

 

There is a misconception that the offense was great after the first half in Tampa............the Carolina and Atlanta games were actually offensive struggles despite the score.

 

 

[Brand J]

In the MattvsMatt Puntapalooza, Buscaglia says Araiza won the day, his 2nd straight practice win. The results after 8 punts:
 

Haack

Avg yards: 43.1

Hang time: 4.46

 

Araiza

Avg yards: 48.4

Hang time: 4.39

[That's No Moon]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

There is a misconception that the offense was great after the first half in Tampa............the Carolina and Atlanta games were actually offensive struggles despite the score.

The offense struggled many times last year and IMO the defense is/was overrated which is why I smh when people discount articles that wonder if the Bills will win 12 games. I get that it isn't what you want to hear but they are playing likely a good portion of this season without Tre White and our corner depth is all unproven, the offensive line is still a weakness and a lot of it is broken and the RT has a back problem, the running game is still a huge question mark, they have a new play caller who has never had that role and nobody knows how that's going to go, etc.

 

People want to act like the offense was a juggernaut because how the season ended but in real life they had big time issues a lot of the time last year. People also want to wave around the #1 defense as though they didn't get absolutely torched by the Chiefs all game long forget about how it ended. If you can't defend for 13 seconds you aren't #1 of anything, I'm sorry. They needed the defense to make one stop to win that game. One. They had 2 chances to get that one stop and they couldn't do it. Not only couldn't they do it they barely slowed KC down. Does Von Miller fix all that? I kinda doubt it.

 

It's unpopular to say it, I know it, I just won't be surprised if they struggle again.  Particularly early in the season. There are still a LOT of things to work out and the schedule does them no favors this year.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

56 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I love seeing a fat man score because then you get a fat man dance

thanks John 

I thought I was going bonkers 

 

I was sure I posted it.
why was my Bills Tweet deleted ?

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 For all of that investment in the DL they haven't had a double digit sacker in McD's 5 seasons here.........the longest such streak for the Bills since sacks became an official stat.

 

In Carolina, Gettleman drafted more players (1) who had a 10 sack season than have Beane/McD here (0).

 

When you're looking up at Gettleman something's dreadfully wrong.  Not saying a guy like Rousseau can't get there, but it's an indictment of the organization's talent evaluation they haven't identified one yet who can do that...especially for a defensive scheme that has to get pressure from the front 4. 

[That's No Moon]

11 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

In the MattvsMatt Puntapalooza, Buscaglia says Araiza won the day, his 2nd straight practice win. The results after 8 punts:
 

Haack

Avg yards: 43.1

Hang time: 4.46

 

Araiza

Avg yards: 48.4

Hang time: 4.39

I want to see the numbers about how they do getting balls to stop or go OB inside the 10. I also want there to be at least one windy day for both the punters and the potential returners.

1 minute ago, BillsVet said:

 

In Carolina, Gettleman drafted more players (1) who had a 10 sack season than have Beane/McD here (0).

 

When you're looking up at Gettleman something's dreadfully wrong.  Not saying a guy like Rousseau can't get there, but it's an indictment of the organization's talent evaluation they haven't identified one yet who can do that...especially for a defensive scheme that has to get pressure from the front 4. 

Agreed. Some of these guys need to start panning out. Now. 

[eSJayDee]

16 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

In the MattvsMatt Puntapalooza, Buscaglia says Araiza won the day, his 2nd straight practice win. The results after 8 punts:
 

Haack

Avg yards: 43.1

Hang time: 4.46

 

Araiza

Avg yards: 48.4

Hang time: 4.39

Is that really winning?  I'd say winning is having decisively better hang time & slightly better yardage.  Failing that to have even a slight edge, you've gotta be better in both metrics.

[Simon]

24 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Josh Allen had one of the worst days of his career passing the ball........... 11-26 for 120 yards 0 TD's and 3 interceptions.

 

He also had one of the best days of his career as a captain and a leader of men.

His insistence on keeping his chin up and continuing to grind on a gawdawful day inspired everybody around him and imo was the only reason the Bills managed to steal that game.

9 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

thanks John 

I thought I was going bonkers 

 

I was sure I posted it.
why was my Bills Tweet deleted ?

 

Yolo had posted the same vid about 30 seconds before you.

I try to eliminate duplicates to keep the board less cluttered.