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YoloinOhio Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Aka the guy who always went off instead when you start James Conner in fantasy the only way I know him because … cardinals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share Posted July 28, 2022 If either the Edmonds or McKissic signings had worked out, I can’t help but wonder what the Bills’ second round pick would’ve been. I know, I know, “BPA”. But position wise, methinks either WR or TE. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Bills really wanted a pass catching RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Edmonds is a good player...but I think I'll take Cook on a rookie deal over Edmonds at this point, even tho Edmonds might be able to help them more right away. I don't think Cook will be too far into the year before he starts making eye popping plays in the pass game. 8 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share Posted July 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Edmonds is a good player...but I think I'll take Cook on a rookie deal over Edmonds at this point, even tho Edmonds might be able to help them more right away. I don't think Cook will be too far into the year before he starts making eye popping plays in the pass game. Purely based on player comparison, I’d probably rather have Cook, too. The only thing I’ll say is that successfully signing a running back would have allowed the Bills to use their second round pick on a more premium position. The failure to land a FA RB may have cost them a talented interior lineman, corner, safety, or tight end. Oh well. What’s done is done, and I do believe that Cook will be a good player. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 I wonder how many free agents hesitate to sign with the Bills because of the extreme punitive state and local taxes. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Can Edmonds even stay healthy? Seems every year he's missing games for this or that. I too like Big Turk just said, prefer Cook over Chase anyways. I think he offers a more dynamic dimension to his game & is many years younger too. Just a lot more upside to his game than what Edmonds can be & for us I think a better fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Why would any RB want to come to Buffalo if they have options and are trying to maximize future earning potential? It’s like the opposite of when FA WRs didn’t want to come. Of course he likes the fit with McDaniel! He wants a run based offense. 1 minute ago, gjv said: I wonder how many free agents hesitate to sign with the Bills because of the extreme punitive state and local taxes. Probably none. It’s not that big of a deal, teams are aware of the tax differences and make up for it in other ways. Plus it’s only relevant for their game checks that they play in NYS. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Why would any RB want to come to Buffalo if they have options and are trying to maximize future earning potential? It’s like the opposite of when FA WRs didn’t want to come. Of course he likes the fit with McDaniel! He wants a run based offense. Probably none. It’s not that big of a deal, teams are aware of the tax differences and make up for it in other ways. Plus it’s only relevant for their game checks that they play in NYS. I think a pass catching RB would come to Buffalo. Someone like Nick Chubb or Jonathan Taylor... yea, zero reason why there would be any interest on either side for a guy like that in this Offense, for the money they'd command. Re: NY, I don't think it's nothing.. Weather and Taxes likely come into play for FA's if all things are equal. Which is why it's a good thing, under McBeane/Allen, things are not equal. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, gjv said: I wonder how many free agents hesitate to sign with the Bills because of the extreme punitive state and local taxes. Not as many as fans with agendas like to believe. Plus, when you balance out cost of living compared to other "low tax" areas, and even factor in other types of taxes, it usually all washes out with minimal difference. 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: I think a pass catching RB would come to Buffalo. Someone like Nick Chubb or Jonathan Taylor... yea, zero reason why there would be any interest on either side for a guy like that in this Offense, for the money they'd command. Re: NY, I don't think it's nothing.. Weather and Taxes likely come into play for FA's if all things are equal. Which is why it's a good thing, under McBeane/Allen, things are not equal. I would agree that the weather plays into it some. Even more so than taxes. And its certainly not great that Buffalo gets the worse weather AND perceived higher taxes. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Why would any RB want to come to Buffalo if they have options and are trying to maximize future earning potential? It’s like the opposite of when FA WRs didn’t want to come. Of course he likes the fit with McDaniel! He wants a run based offense. Probably none. It’s not that big of a deal, teams are aware of the tax differences and make up for it in other ways. Plus it’s only relevant for their game checks that they play in NYS. The craziness with taxes is mindblowing...no way you could do it on your own, definitely need a professional to help with it, and California is far worse for taxes than NYS is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Taxes probably come into the picture if all of the football issues are the same between options. Zero state income taxes in Tn, Florida, and Texas are a big deal when you consider the size of the contracts that players have in the NFL. That's why it is important that Beane and McD keep the football issues in a highly desirable condition. Playing with a guy like Josh Allen likely tips the scales in the Bills favor for many free agents as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mat68 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 So glad him and Mckissick chose the way they did. Cook is a better prospect than either. He was THE big play threat for the best team in the country. In the biggest games he had his biggest plays. Cook is going to a Kamara or Mccaffery type player. Very quickly he becomes the main back. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mat68 said: So glad him and Mckissick chose the way they did. Cook is a better prospect than either. He was THE big play threat for the best team in the country. In the biggest games he had his biggest plays. Cook is going to a Kamara or Mccaffery type player. Very quickly he becomes the main back. Great, so Cook will be on IR week 2. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Tua or Josh Allen? 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Great, so Cook will be on IR week 2. Dont say that lol. He has a different body type anyways. He is the highest offensive skill player drafted by this regime and I dont think thats getting enough attention. He is going to get 15 plus touches out of the box. Vs the looks he is getting early watch out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Ty Dunne huh 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, gjv said: I wonder how many free agents hesitate to sign with the Bills because of the extreme punitive state and local taxes. How do the taxes compare to the California teams? Unless you’ve paid California taxes, it’s probably not “personal” like it probably is for many in WNY. I think coaching, team talent (we have this guy named Josh players seem to like), scheme, positional depth/competition and of course the almighty dollar come in well behind taxes. The Rams don’t seem to struggle to attract players. Having said that, it IS a factor. . Edited July 28, 2022 by Augie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bills really wanted a pass catching RB. Agree, seems to me they wanted to add speed and versatility at the RB/WR positions. RBs and WRs interchangeable between the slot and backfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Just now, BUFFALOBART said: That's why ANYONE who makes serious Bank, should have a 1st class accountant. I doubt that taxes is a reason that a particular free agent, might not want to come to NYS. I know for a fact, that Wall St. was the major source of NYS revenue, up until about a decade ago . Due to corporate tax breaks, the major revenue source burden has shifted to individuals. Didnt stop Miller. Over stated imo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: I agree. It is a non factor, for a player signing with the Bills. If taxes is first and foremost, in a players mind, then he likely did not want to be in Buffalo, in the first place. BTW, people who use services like 'Turbo Tax', are shooting themselves in the foot... I don't think anyone is saying the NY state tax issue is "first and foremost" but to say that it isn't a factor is just ridiculous. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Didnt stop Miller. Over stated imo. Also talking about 6m AAV vs 20m AAV. I'm sure for the big contracts it doesn't matter as much to players the same as the guys signing for 2m AAV. Edited July 28, 2022 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 18 minutes ago, Augie said: How do the taxes compare to the California teams? Unless you’ve paid California taxes, it’s probably not “personal” like it probably is for many in WNY. I think coaching, team talent (we have this guy named Josh players seem to like), scheme, positional depth/competition and of course the almighty dollar come in well behind taxes. The Rams don’t seem to struggle to attract players. Having said that, it IS a factor. . CA and NY are probably the two highest taxed states in the country, CA for sure the highest. Regarding the LA market though, obviously a lot of guy are willing to look past that to live and play in southern california. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: CA and NY are probably the two highest taxed states in the country, CA for sure the highest. Regarding the LA market though, obviously a lot of guy are willing to look past that to live and play in southern california. Exactly. There are a LOT of factors, and taxes is just one of them. Bills players don’t have Rodeo Drive or Pacific sunsets, but they seem to appreciates thousands of fans showing up to meet a flight coming in during winter after midnight. There is a very long list of factors players have to measure. First and foremost is money (especially guaranteed money), but then there are a lot of other things to consider. Different players will weight these other factors (weather, taxes, culture, fanbase, chance to win, scheme fit, etc) differently, as they should. I’m not saying WNY isn’t as good as LA. I’m saying WNY has a lot of great stuff to offer and they usually love it after they get a taste. . Edited July 28, 2022 by Augie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 55 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Tua or Josh Allen? 🤔 Tua Sex, I’m not your brother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Logic said: Purely based on player comparison, I’d probably rather have Cook, too. The only thing I’ll say is that successfully signing a running back would have allowed the Bills to use their second round pick on a more premium position. The failure to land a FA RB may have cost them a talented interior lineman, corner, safety, or tight end. Oh well. What’s done is done, and I do believe that Cook will be a good player. Finally, somebody that gets it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 hours ago, gjv said: I wonder how many free agents hesitate to sign with the Bills because of the extreme punitive state and local taxes. It’s not what most people think. Players are paid by the game and pay income tax for that particular game in that particular state. When Miami plays here …they pay NYS income tax on that games wages….and visa versa rsa 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Cook> A COUPLE OF "ALMOSTS" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Not as many as fans with agendas like to believe. Plus, when you balance out cost of living compared to other "low tax" areas, and even factor in other types of taxes, it usually all washes out with minimal difference. I would agree that the weather plays into it some. Even more so than taxes. And its certainly not great that Buffalo gets the worse weather AND perceived higher taxes. You are dreaming, YOU can offset the taxes with low COL, somebody getting blasted at 10.9% of their income is not offsetting that. Allen is losing 4.4 million a year vs any no state tax team. You think agents don’t get that? C’mon man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, DCofNC said: You are dreaming, YOU can offset the taxes with low COL, somebody getting blasted at 10.9% of their income is not offsetting that. Allen is losing 4.4 million a year vs any no state tax team. You think agents don’t get that? C’mon man. I think that’s about the cost of the house he just built in OP. It has 33 acres or something Edited July 28, 2022 by YoloinOhio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 20 minutes ago, DCofNC said: You are dreaming, YOU can offset the taxes with low COL, somebody getting blasted at 10.9% of their income is not offsetting that. Allen is losing 4.4 million a year vs any no state tax team. You think agents don’t get that? C’mon man. Did you factor in the tax savings when considering that players employed by teams in states with no income tax play road games in states with an income tax they have to pay tax on those earnings in those states? It’s nice not to pay income tax for home games, but there my be up to eight or nine games a year when they do have to pay income taxes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Could we stand to have two Edmonds / Edmunds that might not live up to a select few posters expectations, the number of threads stealth or otherwise would be endless 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Tua gonna throw to the flats a hell of a lot more then Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 9 hours ago, DCofNC said: You are dreaming, YOU can offset the taxes with low COL, somebody getting blasted at 10.9% of their income is not offsetting that. Allen is losing 4.4 million a year vs any no state tax team. You think agents don’t get that? C’mon man. Also, states with high taxes are also the same places with high costs-of-living. California and NYS are also thinking about taxing work done outside the state if your primary residence is inside the state, So double taxed for away games? If it's entirely about money (JJ Watt) it factors in the decision, but how many players forget about it until after they get their first paycheck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I think that’s about the cost of the house he just built in OP. It has 33 acres or something It's a big plot, that's for sure. And it's in a pretty nice spot. The builder of his house just broke ground on another project for a different Bill in roughly the same area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Tyler Dunne, for as good as he is/was, seems to still have a chip on his shoulder about losing access to the Bills after Whaley was ousted. He never fails to be *just* negative enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 12 hours ago, K-9 said: Did you factor in the tax savings when considering that players employed by teams in states with no income tax play road games in states with an income tax they have to pay tax on those earnings in those states? It’s nice not to pay income tax for home games, but there my be up to eight or nine games a year when they do have to pay income taxes. Still losing 10.9% of all the games you play in NY, all your signing bonus, all you performance bonuses etc. Its an asinine amount any way you try to justify it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 3 hours ago, unbillievable said: Also, states with high taxes are also the same places with high costs-of-living. California and NYS are also thinking about taxing work done outside the state if your primary residence is inside the state, So double taxed for away games? If it's entirely about money (JJ Watt) it factors in the decision, but how many players forget about it until after they get their first paycheck? Players don’t forget about it, high tax teams have to pay more or give the players a reason to be there that out weighs it. If you have 2 equal offers, two “equal teams” (there’s no such thing, I know), one where you lose 11% to taxes or one where none are taken, on a $10M deal, where ya going? I’m not giving up over a million. This is going to be a big factor for lower tier players, like the pass catching RB, that trying to make his one big payday and max out his career earnings. Guys that have made a lot already and want to chase a ring are going to be easier to convince. Miller has made a ton from day one, his top options were heavily taxed states, unless he went to Dallas in which case he could have made more with less chance to win. Taxes screw the teams trying to fill the mid to low level holes and the non-contenders. All things equal, it makes sense to look to low/no income states. 15 hours ago, Augie said: How do the taxes compare to the California teams? Unless you’ve paid California taxes, it’s probably not “personal” like it probably is for many in WNY. I think coaching, team talent (we have this guy named Josh players seem to like), scheme, positional depth/competition and of course the almighty dollar come in well behind taxes. The Rams don’t seem to struggle to attract players. Having said that, it IS a factor. . WNY taxes are similar to Los Angeles, which is insane. That said, California is beautiful, full of beautiful women, great weather etc. The place itself is a draw. The other thing you aren’t considering, MOST of the big contracts the Rams have are not guys actively going there in FA, it’s trades to bring them in or they were drafted there and got guaranteed money before their contract ended, taking security over injury risk. Look at the roster, what big contracts do they have that haven’t been drafted or traded for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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