Chase Edmonds was “very, VERY” close to signing with the Bills this offseason

[Logic]

 

[YoloinOhio]

Aka the guy who always went off instead when you start James Conner in fantasy 

 

the only way I know him because … cardinals 

[Logic]

If either the Edmonds or McKissic signings had worked out, I can’t help but wonder what the Bills’ second round pick would’ve been. I know, I know, “BPA”. But position wise, methinks either WR or TE.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Bills really wanted a pass catching RB. 

[Big Turk]

Edmonds is a good player...but I think I'll take Cook on a rookie deal over Edmonds at this point, even tho Edmonds might be able to help them more right away.  I don't think Cook will be too far into the year before he starts making eye popping plays in the pass game.

[Logic]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Edmonds is a good player...but I think I'll take Cook on a rookie deal over Edmonds at this point, even tho Edmonds might be able to help them more right away.  I don't think Cook will be too far into the year before he starts making eye popping plays in the pass game.

Purely based on player comparison, I’d probably rather have Cook, too.

 

The only thing I’ll say is that successfully signing a running back would have allowed the Bills to use their second round pick on a more premium position. The failure to land a FA RB may have cost them a talented interior lineman, corner, safety, or tight end.

 

Oh well. What’s done is done, and I do believe that Cook will be a good player.

[gjv]

I wonder how many free agents hesitate to sign with the Bills because of the extreme punitive state and local taxes.

[brianthomas]

Can Edmonds even stay healthy? Seems every year he's missing games for this or that.

I too like Big Turk just said, prefer Cook over Chase anyways. I think he offers a more dynamic dimension to his game & is many years younger too.

Just a lot more upside to his game than what Edmonds can be & for us I think a better fit.

[YoloinOhio]

Why would any RB want to come to Buffalo if they have options and are trying to maximize future earning potential? It’s like the opposite of when FA WRs didn’t want to come. Of course he likes the fit with McDaniel! He wants a run based offense.

1 minute ago, gjv said:

I wonder how many free agents hesitate to sign with the Bills because of the extreme punitive state and local taxes.

Probably none. It’s not that big of a deal, teams are aware of the tax differences and make up for it in other ways. Plus it’s only relevant for their game checks that they play in NYS. 

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Why would any RB want to come to Buffalo if they have options and are trying to maximize future earning potential? It’s like the opposite of when FA WRs didn’t want to come. Of course he likes the fit with McDaniel! He wants a run based offense.

Probably none. It’s not that big of a deal, teams are aware of the tax differences and make up for it in other ways. Plus it’s only relevant for their game checks that they play in NYS. 

 

I think a pass catching RB would come to Buffalo.  

 

Someone like Nick Chubb or Jonathan Taylor... yea, zero reason why there would be any interest on either side for a guy like that in this Offense, for the money they'd command.  

 

Re: NY, I don't think it's nothing..  Weather and Taxes likely come into play for FA's if all things are equal.  Which is why it's a good thing, under McBeane/Allen, things are not equal.  

[DrDawkinstein]

9 minutes ago, gjv said:

I wonder how many free agents hesitate to sign with the Bills because of the extreme punitive state and local taxes.

 

Not as many as fans with agendas like to believe. Plus, when you balance out cost of living compared to other "low tax" areas, and even factor in other types of taxes, it usually all washes out with minimal difference.

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

I think a pass catching RB would come to Buffalo.  

 

Someone like Nick Chubb or Jonathan Taylor... yea, zero reason why there would be any interest on either side for a guy like that in this Offense, for the money they'd command.  

 

Re: NY, I don't think it's nothing..  Weather and Taxes likely come into play for FA's if all things are equal.  Which is why it's a good thing, under McBeane/Allen, things are not equal.  

 

I would agree that the weather plays into it some. Even more so than taxes. And its certainly not great that Buffalo gets the worse weather AND perceived higher taxes.

[Big Turk]

18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Why would any RB want to come to Buffalo if they have options and are trying to maximize future earning potential? It’s like the opposite of when FA WRs didn’t want to come. Of course he likes the fit with McDaniel! He wants a run based offense.

Probably none. It’s not that big of a deal, teams are aware of the tax differences and make up for it in other ways. Plus it’s only relevant for their game checks that they play in NYS. 

 

The craziness with taxes is mindblowing...no way you could do it on your own, definitely need a professional to help with it, and California is far worse for taxes than NYS is.

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

Taxes probably come into the picture if all of the football issues are the same between options.  Zero state income taxes in Tn, Florida, and Texas are a big deal when you consider the size of the contracts that players have in the NFL.  That's why it is important that Beane and McD keep the football issues in a highly desirable condition.  Playing with a guy like Josh Allen likely tips the scales in the Bills favor for many free agents as well.

[Doc]

[Mat68]

So glad him and Mckissick chose the way they did.  Cook is a better prospect than either.  He was THE big play threat for the best team in the country.  In the biggest games he had his biggest plays.  Cook is going to a Kamara or Mccaffery type player.  Very quickly he becomes the main back.  

[The Wiz]

4 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

So glad him and Mckissick chose the way they did.  Cook is a better prospect than either.  He was THE big play threat for the best team in the country.  In the biggest games he had his biggest plays.  Cook is going to a Kamara or Mccaffery type player.  Very quickly he becomes the main back.  

Great, so Cook will be on IR week 2.

[KDIGGZ]

Tua or Josh Allen?  🤔

[Mat68]

5 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Great, so Cook will be on IR week 2.

Dont say that lol.  He has a different body type anyways.  He is the highest offensive skill player drafted by this regime and I dont think thats getting enough attention.  He is going to get 15 plus touches out of the box.  Vs the looks he is getting early watch out.  

[GoBills808]

Ty Dunne huh

[Augie]

1 hour ago, gjv said:

I wonder how many free agents hesitate to sign with the Bills because of the extreme punitive state and local taxes.

 

How do the taxes compare to the California teams? Unless you’ve paid California taxes, it’s probably not “personal” like it probably is for many in WNY. I think coaching, team talent (we have this guy named Josh players seem to like), scheme, positional depth/competition and of course the almighty dollar come in well behind taxes. The Rams don’t seem to struggle to attract players. 

 

Having said that, it IS a factor. 

 

 

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Edited July 28, 2022 by Augie

[strive_for_five_guy]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Bills really wanted a pass catching RB. 

Agree, seems to me they wanted to add speed and versatility at the RB/WR positions.  RBs and WRs interchangeable between the slot and backfield.

[Mat68]

Just now, BUFFALOBART said:

That's why ANYONE who makes serious Bank, should have a 1st class accountant. I doubt that taxes is a reason that a particular free agent, might not want to come to NYS. I know for a fact, that Wall St. was the major source of NYS revenue, up until about a decade ago

. Due to corporate tax breaks, the major revenue source burden has shifted to individuals.

Didnt stop Miller.  Over stated imo. 

[Beast]

3 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I agree. It is a non factor, for a player signing with the Bills. If taxes is first and foremost, in a players mind, then he likely did not want to be in Buffalo, in the first place.

BTW, people who use services like 'Turbo Tax', are shooting themselves in the foot...

 

I don't think anyone is saying the NY state tax  issue is "first and foremost" but to say that it isn't a factor is just ridiculous.

[The Wiz]

13 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Didnt stop Miller.  Over stated imo. 

Also talking about 6m AAV vs 20m AAV.

 

I'm sure for the big contracts it doesn't matter as much to players the same as the guys signing for 2m AAV.

Edited July 28, 2022 by The Wiz

[FilthyBeast]

18 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

How do the taxes compare to the California teams? Unless you’ve paid California taxes, it’s probably not “personal” like it probably is for many in WNY. I think coaching, team talent (we have this guy named Josh players seem to like), scheme, positional depth/competition and of course the almighty dollar come in well behind taxes. The Rams don’t seem to struggle to attract players. 

 

Having said that, it IS a factor. 

 

 

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CA and NY are probably the two highest taxed states in the country, CA for sure the highest.

 

Regarding the LA market though, obviously a lot of guy are willing to look past that to live and play in southern california.

[Augie]

33 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

CA and NY are probably the two highest taxed states in the country, CA for sure the highest.

 

Regarding the LA market though, obviously a lot of guy are willing to look past that to live and play in southern california.

 

Exactly. There are a LOT of factors, and taxes is just one of them. Bills players don’t have Rodeo Drive or Pacific sunsets, but they seem to appreciates thousands of fans showing up to meet a flight coming in during winter after midnight. 

 

There is a very long list of factors players have to measure. First and foremost is money (especially guaranteed money), but then there are a lot of other things to consider. Different players will weight these other factors (weather, taxes, culture, fanbase, chance to win, scheme fit, etc) differently, as they should. 

 

I’m not saying WNY isn’t as good as LA. I’m saying WNY has a lot of great stuff to offer and they usually love it after they get a taste. 

 

 

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Edited July 28, 2022 by Augie

[TheWeatherMan]

55 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Tua or Josh Allen?  🤔

Tua Sex, I’m not your brother 

[DCofNC]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

Purely based on player comparison, I’d probably rather have Cook, too.

 

The only thing I’ll say is that successfully signing a running back would have allowed the Bills to use their second round pick on a more premium position. The failure to land a FA RB may have cost them a talented interior lineman, corner, safety, or tight end.

 

Oh well. What’s done is done, and I do believe that Cook will be a good player.

Finally, somebody that gets it.

[TH3]

2 hours ago, gjv said:

I wonder how many free agents hesitate to sign with the Bills because of the extreme punitive state and local taxes.

It’s not what most people think. Players are paid by the game and pay income tax for that particular game in that particular state. When Miami plays here …they pay NYS income tax on that games wages….and visa versa

 

rsa 

[TBBills]

Cook> A COUPLE OF "ALMOSTS"

[DCofNC]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Not as many as fans with agendas like to believe. Plus, when you balance out cost of living compared to other "low tax" areas, and even factor in other types of taxes, it usually all washes out with minimal difference.

 

I would agree that the weather plays into it some. Even more so than taxes. And its certainly not great that Buffalo gets the worse weather AND perceived higher taxes.

You are dreaming, YOU can offset the taxes with low COL, somebody getting blasted at 10.9% of their income is not offsetting that. Allen is losing 4.4 million a year vs any no state tax team.  You think agents don’t get that? C’mon man.

[YoloinOhio]

15 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

You are dreaming, YOU can offset the taxes with low COL, somebody getting blasted at 10.9% of their income is not offsetting that. Allen is losing 4.4 million a year vs any no state tax team.  You think agents don’t get that? C’mon man.

 I think that’s about the cost of the house he just built in OP. It has 33 acres or something 

Edited July 28, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[K-9]

20 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

You are dreaming, YOU can offset the taxes with low COL, somebody getting blasted at 10.9% of their income is not offsetting that. Allen is losing 4.4 million a year vs any no state tax team.  You think agents don’t get that? C’mon man.

Did you factor in the tax savings when considering that players employed by teams in states with no income tax play road games in states with an income tax they have to pay tax on those earnings in those states? It’s nice not to pay income tax for home games, but there my be up to eight or nine games a year when they do have to pay income taxes. 

[Don Otreply]

Could we stand to have two Edmonds / Edmunds that might not live up to a select few posters expectations, the number of threads stealth or otherwise would be endless 😂

[BananaB]

Tua gonna throw to the flats a hell of a lot more then Allen

[unbillievable]

9 hours ago, DCofNC said:

You are dreaming, YOU can offset the taxes with low COL, somebody getting blasted at 10.9% of their income is not offsetting that. Allen is losing 4.4 million a year vs any no state tax team.  You think agents don’t get that? C’mon man.

Also, states with high taxes are also the same places with high costs-of-living.

 

California and NYS are also thinking about taxing work done outside the state if your primary residence is inside the state, So double taxed for away games?

 

If it's entirely about money (JJ Watt) it factors in the decision, but how many players forget about it until after they get their first paycheck?

[SectionC3]

13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 I think that’s about the cost of the house he just built in OP. It has 33 acres or something 

 

It's a big plot, that's for sure.  And it's in a pretty nice spot.  The builder of his house just broke ground on another project for a different Bill in roughly the same area. 

[Bruffalo]

Tyler Dunne, for as good as he is/was, seems to still have a chip on his shoulder about losing access to the Bills after Whaley was ousted.  He never fails to be *just* negative enough.  

[DCofNC]

12 hours ago, K-9 said:

Did you factor in the tax savings when considering that players employed by teams in states with no income tax play road games in states with an income tax they have to pay tax on those earnings in those states? It’s nice not to pay income tax for home games, but there my be up to eight or nine games a year when they do have to pay income taxes. 

Still losing 10.9% of all the games you play in NY, all your signing bonus, all you performance bonuses etc.  Its an asinine amount any way you try to justify it.

[DCofNC]

3 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Also, states with high taxes are also the same places with high costs-of-living.

 

California and NYS are also thinking about taxing work done outside the state if your primary residence is inside the state, So double taxed for away games?

 

If it's entirely about money (JJ Watt) it factors in the decision, but how many players forget about it until after they get their first paycheck?

Players don’t forget about it, high tax teams have to pay more or give the players a reason to be there that out weighs it.  If you have 2 equal offers, two “equal teams” (there’s no such thing, I know), one where you lose 11% to taxes or one where none are taken, on a $10M deal, where ya going? I’m not giving up over a million. 
 

This is going to be a big factor for lower tier players, like the pass catching RB, that trying to make his one big payday and max out his career earnings.   
 

Guys that have made a lot already and want to chase a ring are going to be easier to convince.  Miller has made a ton from day one, his top options were heavily taxed states, unless he went to Dallas in which case he could have made more with less chance to win.  
 

Taxes screw the teams trying to fill the mid to low level holes and the non-contenders. All things equal, it makes sense to look to low/no income states.  

15 hours ago, Augie said:

 

How do the taxes compare to the California teams? Unless you’ve paid California taxes, it’s probably not “personal” like it probably is for many in WNY. I think coaching, team talent (we have this guy named Josh players seem to like), scheme, positional depth/competition and of course the almighty dollar come in well behind taxes. The Rams don’t seem to struggle to attract players. 

 

Having said that, it IS a factor. 

 

 

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WNY taxes are similar to Los Angeles, which is insane.  That said, California is beautiful, full of beautiful women, great weather etc.  The place itself is a draw.  
 

The other thing you aren’t considering, MOST of the big contracts the Rams have are not guys actively going there in FA, it’s trades to bring them in or they were drafted there and got guaranteed money before their contract ended, taking security over injury risk.   Look at the roster, what big contracts do they have that haven’t been drafted or traded for?