Mat68 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Its early but I think Shakir is wr 4 and spells Diggs and Davis in the regular offense. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 4 hours ago, smuvtalker said: Me personally, I feel like this is the year McKenzie finally nails down the punt returner spot, AND takes one to the house during the regular season. I'd be lying if I said I didn't have high hopes for him. If in fact he does become our full time KR/PR, and then I assume Diggs, Davis, Crowder, Shakir all lock up roster spots, who's on the outside looking in? And how many receivers will the Bills carry? He did take one back against Miami in 2020. But as others have mentioned it’s everything before he secures the ball that’s the problem. If he fixes all that (big IF) I’m fine with him 4 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Why is he the only one not wearing the helmet padding? I was wondering by same thing. 59 minutes ago, nosejob said: ......But the bigger backs kill us. Taron cannot bring them down and they're usually in 3rd gear by the time he can close. If McFrazier can't prepare for what is obviously coming from the likes of Pitt,. Balt. ,Cincy Tenn. as well as everyone else, we may see twice as many of the Colts, N.E outcomes. Bernard is gonna make a huge difference....providing Frazier is not too stuck in his ways or McD is too timid to take over. BTW, 70% nickel will kill us in the 1st 4 games. 2/3s of the middle of the field to Milano's left will be the target area and even though I'm expecting....and very grateful for the Dline additions, 4 guys can't stop 6 and a back against a team Hell bent on running and T.O.P. Another tactic I expect to see is timing passes against us. Teams are gonna try to unload quick to backs to beat our improved pass rush. We gotta run a 4-3 and even with Miller, we're gonna need to blitz more. 4-3 can disguise Milano blitzing. I agree with @John from Riverside let them run. We’re gonna run 70%+ nickel cause we usually run 90%+ nickel. We have been decent against the run except for the super big runs. I think we get to more 4-3 (still not that much though) but it takes time as Bernard has to show he can handle the responsibility. Milano took a while to become a starter over Humber. But I get your excitement for Bernard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Logic said: If there’s one thing that long time Associated Press journalist John Wawrow needs, it’s advice from internet message board user BADOLBILZ. 🤣 Come on we all know Bado can do it better.....just ask him 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Logic Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 29 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: McD wants to force the run a lot more this year.🤮😈 1) It was the implementation of more 12 and 21 personnel last year that finally got the Bills out of their offensive rut. They stagnated in a major way trying to operate only out of 10 and 11 all the time. 2) Heavier personnel does not necessarily mean running the ball more. The main objective is to put the defense in a bind as to what personnel to use themselves. If they come out in base, you can spread the field and get matchups like Cook or Knox vs a linebacker. If they come out in nickel, you have an advantage in the run game. 10 and 11 personnel do not necessarily present the same “pick your poison” dilemma. 3) Practicing and implementing heavier personnel groupings does not mean they’re not still going to spend a lot of time in 10 and 11 looks. It just means they’re diversifying. 3 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 2 hours ago, stevewin said: Question for anyone who has parked in people's yards outside the campus. I was thinking of bringing a wheelchair for my Dad when we go next week - are there sidewalks etc where a wheelchair can be easily navigated. Would prefer this time to park there instead of dealing with the stupid school bus. Also - is there an ADA section set up near the practice field - I've never taken notice in the past. So you can do 2 things one is park at the park and ride and show then your Ada pass and you can park there easy push up the hill to the first driveway. Second is go to the upper driveway show security the Ada pass and park there it is a little farther to push a wheel chair Pm me if you have other ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: He did take one back against Miami in 2020. But as others have mentioned it’s everything before he secures the ball that’s the problem. If he fixes all that (big IF) I’m fine with him I was wondering by same thing. I agree with @John from Riverside let them run. We’re gonna run 70%+ nickel cause we usually run 90%+ nickel. We have been decent against the run except for the super big runs. I think we get to more 4-3 (still not that much though) but it takes time as Bernard has to show he can handle the responsibility. Milano took a while to become a starter over Humber. But I get your excitement for Bernard. The problem is those type of mistakes tend to resurface at the biggest times of the game usually, not just with him but with players that have issues like that with ball security. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 7 hours ago, Big Turk said: Will McDermott take them on a pre dawn run at like 5am tomorrow to some famous site and tell them if they don't come together right now then they will never come together like Remember the Titans? That's all I want to know LOL. Maybe it's a run up Currahee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Any James Cook videos from camp yet? Really want to see how he is looking out there against the vets. I think he is going to be a big piece on the offense this year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 4 hours ago, HappyDays said: Astro deserves his own thread during camp! 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: if you just look at his fumbles, it actually understates how bad he has been. He misplays a ton of balls too, which had led to near “touches” and muffs. It’s less of a fumbling issue with him, and more of a decision making problem. Oh definitely..........but you gotta' be careful about going too far into those kind of unmeasured stats when you have an anvil like his massive fumbling issues to anchor your point already. McKenzie actually bobbled the punt return TD he had in the 2020 finale against Miami. He fumbled in the preseason last year. People who think he just had that one issue with the all-time-stupid fumble in the Indy game are incorrect. He's a complete adventure handling the football on returns. He'd likely be a top 10 returner both in terms of KOR and PR if he could be trusted with the ball.........but it's not like he'd be Andre Roberts level even if he could hold onto the football.........and he was pretty easy for the Bills to cut.........so it's not like they are missing on the next Devin Hester or something if they don't play him on returns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 55 minutes ago, Warcodered said: OK they stole this from the replacements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Sometimes they do (sports talk Saturday show and on gameday) but not today Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a PUP to start the season. Or do they have to move him to IR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: OK they stole this from the replacements Not true. They played Aretha franklin - i will survive, in the movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Logic said: 1) It was the implementation of more 12 and 21 personnel last year that finally got the Bills out of their offensive rut. They stagnated in a major way trying to operate only out of 10 and 11 all the time. 2) Heavier personnel does not necessarily mean running the ball more. The main objective is to put the defense in a bind as to what personnel to use themselves. If they come out in base, you can spread the field and get matchups like Cook or Knox vs a linebacker. If they come out in nickel, you have an advantage in the run game. 10 and 11 personnel do not necessarily present the same “pick your poison” dilemma. 3) Practicing and implementing heavier personnel groupings does not mean they’re not still going to spend a lot of time in 10 and 11 looks. It just means they’re diversifying. Yes, this what makes Davis a problem. The best thing I heard was Shakir doing Woods/Kupp style motion to blocking. Just now, Mat68 said: Yes, this what makes Davis a problem. The best thing I heard was Shakir doing Woods/Kupp style motion to blocking. Im very high on Cook. The line can find a group early and stay together the offense coukd be filthy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Where is the training camp schedule? I hate the bills app sometimes. It can be super hard to find stuff on there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Steptide said: Where is the training camp schedule? I hate the bills app sometimes. It can be super hard to find stuff on there I'm using this link to track the open practices: https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/rochester/news/2022/06/16/bills-announce-2022-training-camp-schedule 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: LOL. Maybe it's a run up Currahee. So hard for me to watch this with since all I can think about is Friends due to David Schwimmer and the dude from Office Space 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 5 hours ago, Mat68 said: McDermott special. Give seniority the first crack. Watching new comers and young guys take the spot. No favors, no one given anything. You earn a shot you get a shot. Gotta make a shot. Are you quoting Hamilton?? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 18 minutes ago, Steptide said: Where is the training camp schedule? I hate the bills app sometimes. It can be super hard to find stuff on there SOLD OUT so Unless you have tickets … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Are you quoting Hamilton?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: They are really going down with the Cody Ford ship…. Is your knee okay? Because the way you jerk it it’s gotta hurt…, 😂 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 hours ago, NickelCity said: Flashbacks to our talking points last season...when it was also a bad idea. I love McKenzie but don't want him anywhere near the returner position. It seems like many many posters on here agree with you....and when I think about that fumble against the Colts, particularly with not a soul near him and him just coughing it up like that, it certainly doesn't inspire confidence, but I just feel like maybe this can be the year he grows and puts the yips behind him and grabs that PR/KR position by the throat and doesn't let go OR give anyone else the chance to unseat him again....I guess I'm just that eternal optimist. But in all seriousness, I only feel this way about him because I feel like he has the potential to be the most dynamic back there. Amongst our other contenders, who represents an upgrade at the position over McKenzie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I wonder if Bernard eats into Edmunds snaps on 3rd down and obvious passing situations. I seriously doubt it. He's going to take snaps from Johnson on first down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Come on we all know Bado can do it better.....just ask him Bado has been taking his own advice for ages after all.., and it shows 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Shaw66 said: Yes, I believe it was. Some guys give me confidence when I see them back there. McKenzie doesn't. I definitely respect your opinion. Amongst our other contenders at the position, who would you like to see win the job? Or more importantly, who do you feel represents a better option/has more potential back there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 minute ago, smuvtalker said: I definitely respect your opinion. Amongst our other contenders at the position, who would you like to see win the job? Or more importantly, who do you feel represents a better option/has more potential back there? Until someone else demonstrates they will catch the ball reliably I want Micah Hyde to FC everything and be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 minute ago, That's No Moon said: Until someone else demonstrates they will catch the ball reliably I want Micah Hyde to FC everything and be done with it. And yes, Hyde is probably the only one who has earned McDermott's trust back there. Two things though regarding Hyde returning punts/kicks: 1, like you said, 95% of the time it's going to be a fair catch, and 2, do we really want to put our all-pro safety out there and risk exposing him to injury? I know he's a very smart veteran player but things happen.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: They are really going down with the Cody Ford ship…. Could be. Kromer has his work cut out for him, but he’s usually the right man for the job. Gotta give him credit. Ford has some talent. Maybe he just needed an all time OL coach and the of pressure being a FA after the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, smuvtalker said: And yes, Hyde is probably the only one who has earned McDermott's trust back there. Two things though regarding Hyde returning punts/kicks: 1, like you said, 95% of the time it's going to be a fair catch, and 2, do we really want to put our all-pro safety out there and risk exposing him to injury? I know he's a very smart veteran player but things happen.... If he's just out there to catch the ball, yes. In a perfect world we have a real PR but that's not McKenzie I don't think it's Stevenson and I need evidence of anyone else catching the ball before I offer any sort of opinion. Catching kicks in Buffalo is probably the hardest PR job in football. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 10 hours ago, HappyDays said: Dane Jackson !!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 25, 2022 Author Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Steptide said: Where is the training camp schedule? I hate the bills app sometimes. It can be super hard to find stuff on there https://www.buffalobills.com/training-camp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 57 minutes ago, smuvtalker said: I definitely respect your opinion. Amongst our other contenders at the position, who would you like to see win the job? Or more importantly, who do you feel represents a better option/has more potential back there? I have a different view than a lot of people. Talking punts first, I think the guy has two jobs: Don't turn it over, and make the fair catch when you're supposed to. That's it. The rule changes have made it so tough to return punts, it's foolish to even talk about a guy who can take it to the house. It's not happening, or at least it isn't worth hoping it's going to happen. I don't even care if he has a better average than most guys. Especially when you have the offense the Bills have, all that matters is not turning it over, and not getting pinned deep if you can avoid it with the fair catch. So, I really don't have any interest in having McKenzie or Stevenson back there, because both are suspect in the ball security category. I liked Andre Roberts. He had some turnovers too, but to me looked solid back there making decisions and catching the ball. And he had the plus of having a nice average. If he weren't so important to the defense, I'd put Hyde back there. He always catches it, he makes good decisions returning, and he gets some yards. I'm a little troubled about it, because the Bills don't have anyone taking punts who gives me a good feeling. I'd rather have someone back there who's always going to catch and hold the ball, even if the guy literally took a fair catch every time. Ball security on kickoffs is just as important, of course, but I think it's easier. I don't mind McKenzie back there, even with the gaffe against the Dolphins or whoever it was. I doubt he's doing that again. Or Austin is fine with me. I also think the risk-reward ratio is better on kickoffs - that is, with a good return, you can get it out to the 40 or midfield, and that's worth having a guy who has the speed to do that, even if if he might lose it once or twice. Both positions, I want a veteran. Vets tend to hold on to the ball. I expect it'll be McKenzie at both spots, and I'll just hold my breath. 1 hour ago, That's No Moon said: Until someone else demonstrates they will catch the ball reliably I want Micah Hyde to FC everything and be done with it. A man after my own heart! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 7 hours ago, stevewin said: Question for anyone who has parked in people's yards outside the campus. I was thinking of bringing a wheelchair for my Dad when we go next week - are there sidewalks etc where a wheelchair can be easily navigated. Would prefer this time to park there instead of dealing with the stupid school bus. Also - is there an ADA section set up near the practice field - I've never taken notice in the past. There’s no sidewalks really across the street. You’d be along the shoulder until you reached the driveway which is at least 100 yards. Then it’s uphill. You’d be best off pulling into the lot one over from where the buses pull in, see if you can’t talk your way into a handicap spot for your dad. Or at least if you could drop him off there, then park and meet him where you dropped him off. If you pull into that driveway, there’s definitely parking and blacktop for the wheelchair. good luck 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Logic said: 1) It was the implementation of more 12 and 21 personnel last year that finally got the Bills out of their offensive rut. They stagnated in a major way trying to operate only out of 10 and 11 all the time. I agree with your other points but this confused me. Particularly the 12 personnel comment. Offense seemed rough til the end of the season and we weren’t dressing more than 1 TE (which itself Is crazy) at the end of the season. Are you basically just saying we used Gilliam in the offense more? That feels the only way we could be in 12 or 21 (depending what you label him as). Do you have some splits to show? 4 hours ago, Big Turk said: The problem is those type of mistakes tend to resurface at the biggest times of the game usually, not just with him but with players that have issues like that with ball security. Yeah agree. I’m not gonna advocate for him but get the upside with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Warcodered said: Thought it was a joke, clicked on the picture to blow up to full size....it actually is. It was drizzling a little at one point during camp. It’s likely water being ejected from the surface of the ball because of the G forces of Allen’s arm strength 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 4 hours ago, YattaOkasan said: He did take one back against Miami in 2020. But as others have mentioned it’s everything before he secures the ball that’s the problem. If he fixes all that (big IF) I’m fine with him I was wondering by same thing. I agree with @John from Riverside let them run. We’re gonna run 70%+ nickel cause we usually run 90%+ nickel. We have been decent against the run except for the super big runs. I think we get to more 4-3 (still not that much though) but it takes time as Bernard has to show he can handle the responsibility. Milano took a while to become a starter over Humber. But I get your excitement for Bernard. Not everyone had the bubble helmet padding on. Most or all of the OL and TEs had them. Most of the DL, and LBs had them. Most RBs, WRs, and DBs did not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 53 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: I agree with your other points but this confused me. Particularly the 12 personnel comment. Offense seemed rough til the end of the season and we weren’t dressing more than 1 TE (which itself Is crazy) at the end of the season. Are you basically just saying we used Gilliam in the offense more? That feels the only way we could be in 12 or 21 (depending what you label him as). Do you have some splits to show? Yeah agree. I’m not gonna advocate for him but get the upside with him. I’m not sure where to find splits. I’ll poke around and see if I can find some and report back. If anyone reading this knows where to find some, please point me that way. But yes, they were using Gilliam more, and they were also using Tommy Doyle as an extra blocker and eligible receiver quite a bit. He basically took on the “Lee Smith role” and became essentially a blocking specialist TE2. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 11 hours ago, BTB said: With the whole fixed number of tickets, just curious for those who attended, crowded or not? Bleachers full and people standing all the way around? Long line to get in as practice started. They stopped letting people into the primary bleachers area by then, and wouldn't let anyone in for the rest of the day, to many fans' dismay. So the only options were the far side portable bleachers or standing around. Get to practice early if you want to get anywhere near the players. By moving around we got some good views of RBs doing individual drills, and the first 7-on-7 RZ session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Warcodered said: Thought it was a joke, clicked on the picture to blow up to full size....it actually is. 2 hours ago, mrags said: It was drizzling a little at one point during camp. It’s likely water being ejected from the surface of the ball because of the G forces of Allen’s arm strength 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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