Gilmore to colts… Bills WERE interested

[H2o]

Gilmore was always chasing the $$$ this time. He got a ring in NE and is nearing the end of his career.  Cashing in was at the forefront of his mind. 

[billybrew1]

Baahhh! I wanted to see Gilmore return myself. Granted the price was pretty steep, but I envisioned what our team might look like after the draft with Gilmore and Tre back there… Draft a fast corner in the third to back them up another in the fourth maybe get Jackson back to third string… 

I guess we could still sign a corner but Gilmore was a sure starter who might of had a fantastic season. I guess we’re not printing our own money…. 
Look like we’re going to sign someone I just have a fear that we’re going to sign another joke corner, another retire at half time starter. I wanted a sure-fire starter…. I don’t want to miss out on this WR draft! Dammit.

[TBBills]

48 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Yeah and how many others just this year haven’t come, now look back at the history of FA signings we have missed out on or had to DRAMATICALLY overpay, so your one example gets blown up.

So you’d rather pay an unproven rookie 4x vet min, vs a top 10 corner at Vet Min, because you think an All-Pro couldn’t go to an easier system, but a rookie would have no problem.  That’s what one would call, insane.  

Zero... your theory is done, washed up.

[John from Riverside]

29 minutes ago, H2o said:

Gilmore was always chasing the $$$ this time. He got a ring in NE and is nearing the end of his career.  Cashing in was at the forefront of his mind. 

Yup

gilmore is a merc

nevwr liked him 

[Success]

8 hours ago, TheProcess said:

One thing that annoys me about media perception with Gilmore is that he was nothing until he went to NE. They developed him. Of course, we all know that’s crap, but I find it annoying. 

 

I was even more annoyed by the "Bills are the Patriots' farm team" narrative that emerged as time went on and they picked up more of our players.

 

I swear - the Patriots could lose every game from now until the sun burns out, and it wouldn't be enough for me. 

 

[HOUSE]

How could a team looking for a corner NOT be interested, when Gilmore asked for money that's when the  Bills probably dropped out

[atlbillsfan1975]

8 hours ago, Yantha said:

Boom or bust?

 

Time will tell...  That's a multimillion dollar gable right there.

Gilmore seems to play well the first year of a contract. After that, good luck. 

[Mr. WEO]

Like AB interested?

[3rdnlng]

8 hours ago, Yantha said:

Boom or bust?

 

Time will tell...  That's a multimillion dollar gable right there.

Makes for an expensive house.

[Bill from NYC]

It would have been great to sign Gilmore. What we can say for certain about him is that he gave it his all while in Buffalo and appreciated being a Buffalo Bill.

During his stay here, he did win us a ton of games. Drafting him was smart, and certainly NOT part of our "play not to lose" mentality.

I was SO happy when that pick was announced!!!

[Bad Things]

I get why people would've like him to come back but, I'll personally be glad to not have to root for him, or see his miserable face as part of our (first) Super Bowl team.

 

[Southern_Bills]

36 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

I get why people would've like him to come back but, I'll personally be glad to not have to root for him, or see his miserable face as part of our (first) Super Bowl team.

 

Eh, I would have liked to see him back but for 11.5M a year average with 14 guaranteed, Buffalo did the right thing.

 

Good for Gilmore, he gets to ride a retirement contract. I'm glad buffalo didn't give it to him. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

13 hours ago, TheProcess said:

One thing that annoys me about media perception with Gilmore is that he was nothing until he went to NE. They developed him. Of course, we all know that’s crap, but I find it annoying. 

Lol... it's not just the media..half this board thought he was terrible when he was here and wanted to get rid of him

[Richard Noggin]

13 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don’t know what to make of the Bills interest in Gilmore.

I'll bet Beane is equally puzzled by reports he had serious interest in paying starter money to a guy who, while talented, is not a great scheme or culture fit, and, now in his 30s, has recently battled injuries. 

[SoMAn]

15 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Makes me laugh!

 

First, I'm surprised Gilmore got that much.   I don't think Gilmore ever actually did become the best version of himself; he's dependable only so long as his team asks him to play exactly as he wants to play.  Excellent talent, but not a game changer. 

 

Second, if that's the market, then people should stop expecting to see the Bills sign a recognizable name.  I could be wrong, and I  often am, but I don't see the Bills spending anything like that for a guy to play #2 corner who's had success in the league.  If their philosophy is "we're going all in on 2022," maybe, but I don't think that's the philosophy, at least not to that extent.   

 

As I said a few days ago, I think McDermott is more comfortable with Johnson, Neal, Jackson than people realize.  I think he's telling Beane to find a couple of fundamentally solid football players, good athletes who are committed to competing and excelling, and he's good to go.  

I don’t know that the Bills are as desperate for a CB as some might believe. In the 8 games since Tre White was injured, the Bills went 5-3. One of the losses was the wind bowl against the Patriots where pass defense didn’t factor into it. The other 2 were OT losses against Brady and Mahomes- winners of previous 2 Super Bowls. 
If the Bills think Tre can return to full form sooner than later, and with an improved front 4 pressuring QBs, they might be more open to receiving threats or run defense support with first round pick. 

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

We drafted the guy in the first round, and he just.didn't.seem.to.care while he was here- same with Marshawn, his best run was when Brad Butler picked him up and chucked him for a first down. 
 

No loss, don't care. 

[BillsFanForever19]

8 hours ago, HOUSE said:

How could a team looking for a corner NOT be interested, when Gilmore asked for money that's when the  Bills probably dropped out

 

Gilmore was always asking for money. His price range was reportedly originally around 14 per. It's why he lasted so long. In the end, he settled for 11.5 per. The idea we were ever seriously a player is laughable. Beane probably made a phone call when he was around so late, found out where the other teams still involved were at, and that was the end of the conversation.

[BillsFanForever19]

11 hours ago, DCofNC said:

So you’d rather pay an unproven rookie 4x vet min, vs a top 10 corner at Vet Min, because you think an All-Pro couldn’t go to an easier system, but a rookie would have no problem.  That’s what one would call, insane.  

 

Insane, but a moot point. Gilmore wasn't coming remotely close to vet minimum. Or anywhere remotely close to what we're looking to pay for someone who's role is to be, at most, a starter for a few games until Gilmore is ready alongside a 1st or 2nd Round Rookie, Dane Jackson, and Taron Johnson in the Nickel, and depth off the bench beyond that, for the duration of 1 year.

 

We're paying Tre White top Cornerback money. We aren't going to pay two Cornerbacks top CB money. The only way to get a long term solid 2nd Cornerback is to Draft one. It was obvious to me that was the plan before Free Agency and it's crystal clear now.

Edited April 16, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[Thurman#1]

18 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said:

 

 

 

Not even slightly surprised they kicked the tires. It's smart.

 

But in their salary cap position, he was never going to accept what we could give him. Von Miller was our big move this year, and it's a huge one.

 

Perhaps if they hadn't taken Miller they might well have gone hard after Gilmore.

 

[Thurman#1]

9 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Gilmore seems to play well the first year of a contract. After that, good luck. 

 

Please. The guy's had a sensational career.

[Dopey]

13 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Yup

gilmore is a merc

nevwr liked him 

You must not like 99% of the players. Even Bates was chasing the money. 

[machine gun kelly]

They all chase $.  He was not worth &23 mil., but obviously Indy thought he’s still good.

[atlbillsfan1975]

3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

Please. The guy's had a sensational career.

We can agree to disagree. For me he is the definition of play for pay. Which is fine, I get it. He doesn’t strike me as a guy with a bunch of heart or a team first mentality. I do think you can look out for your financial interests while also giving max effort and being a good teammate. 
To my point, has Gilmore ever been a team captain anywhere? I couldn’t find that info after just searching. 

Edited April 16, 2022 by atlbillsfan1975

[Beerball]

23 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

He's not worth that to the Bills, but might be to the Colts. He was far from washed up last season, but I see why the Bills wouldn't want to commit those dollars to him. The search for the fan-approved CB2 continues.....

Beane would have been offering one of his single year prove it deals.

Edited April 16, 2022 by Beerball

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

We can agree to disagree. For me he is the definition of play for pay. Which is fine, I get it. He doesn’t strike me as a guy with a bunch of heart or a team first mentality. I do think you can look out for your financial interests while also giving max effort and being a good teammate. 
To my point, has Gilmore ever been a team captain anywhere? I couldn’t find that info after just searching. 

How do you know he is or isn't a team first guy? 

Tredavious White is best player on defense and he is not a captain. 

How many corners are captains? 

[Shaw66]

8 hours ago, SoMAn said:

I don’t know that the Bills are as desperate for a CB as some might believe. In the 8 games since Tre White was injured, the Bills went 5-3. One of the losses was the wind bowl against the Patriots where pass defense didn’t factor into it. The other 2 were OT losses against Brady and Mahomes- winners of previous 2 Super Bowls. 
If the Bills think Tre can return to full form sooner than later, and with an improved front 4 pressuring QBs, they might be more open to receiving threats or run defense support with first round pick. 

I've been saying something similar.   I would guess that McDermott is more comfortable about the defensive backfield than most of us are. 

[Sierra Foothills]

3 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

obviously Indy thought he’s still good.

 

It's more than just that.

 

Colts owner Jim Irsay looks to me like he's been on tilt since the two game, season-ending swoon which cost his team a playoff berth.

 

Some recent quotes:

 

"Colts Nation, don't you worry ... We're gonna get The Horseshoe at least two Lombardis this decade. As sure as the sun rises and the seasons change, it's coming! Don't you ever doubt that, ever! You will see greatness! Believe and you will see."

 

“Here in the desert now. And feeling the pain and disappointment from this season. It certainly is something where I apologize for. And we have allowed, and I have allowed, doubt, fear, and a lack of faith to slip into our DNA. And it will not stand.”

 

“Every walking step in this offseason is committed to getting the horseshoe back to where it should be,” Irsay added. “We understand what happens and I understand what happens, and it’s unacceptable. I promise you one thing. Anyone walking into the 56th Street complex this year will be walking in with all chips in. Period. If you don’t want to put all your chips in on the table for winning the next one, then don’t walk in the building.”

 

“This commitment starts with me,” Irsay concluded. “It starts with my self-analysis. And I can tell all of Colts nation this is something that every day, every hour, every minute we’re working to fix. It’s unacceptable, and it will not stand. Thank you.”

 

Irsay has a "win at all costs" attitude which is not a bad thing for an NFL owner. The problem is that he has a "win at all costs today" attitude which is not conducive to good team building. It almost seems like he's stuck in the mindset of believing the Colts are just one good player away. They're not.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

4 hours ago, Dopey said:

You must not like 99% of the players. Even Bates was chasing the money. 

You mean the guy that promptly agreed to a restructure don’t put Bates and Gilmore in the same group bates wants to be here

[Doc]

Get Bradberry.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

On 4/15/2022 at 10:37 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don’t know what to make of the Bills interest in Gilmore.

I think the bills just do their homework on everyone…we seem to show up in these ‘interested in…’ articles all the time.  We were not signing Gilmore for that kind of money 

[nucci]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

You mean the guy that promptly agreed to a restructure don’t put Bates and Gilmore in the same group bates wants to be here

a restructure didn't cost Bates any money

5 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

They all chase $.  He was not worth &23 mil., but obviously Indy thought he’s still good.

Yes they do....they have short careers and try to maximize earnings while they can

[John from Riverside]

26 minutes ago, nucci said:

a restructure didn't cost Bates any money

Yes they do....they have short careers and try to maximize earnings while they can

He still has to agree to it

[Dopey]

3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

You mean the guy that promptly agreed to a restructure don’t put Bates and Gilmore in the same group bates wants to be here

Bates was out for the money. That's why he signed the bears contract. Glad he's back, but he was more than happy to play for the bears and more money. Players trying to maximize their money potential. They are in the same group. 

[John from Riverside]

41 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Bates was out for the money. That's why he signed the bears contract. Glad he's back, but he was more than happy to play for the bears and more money. Players trying to maximize their money potential. They are in the same group. 

You read this somewhere?  Can you provide the link?

[Doc]

4 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I think the bills just do their homework on everyone…we seem to show up in these ‘interested in…’ articles all the time.  We were not signing Gilmore for that kind of money 

 

According to Rapoport (I think?), the Bills are always the "mystery team."  If they're being named, it's because they want people to know and are doing it to drive up the price.

[John from Riverside]

I still think Joe Haden would feel in fine

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

You read this somewhere?  Can you provide the link?

Yes, I did. He responded positively to a tweet from a bears fan congratulating him for making good $ for his family when he signed. I didn't save it. Not that important. You don't have to believe it or you can look for it. Question: Do you really need a link to believe he was looking out for his family as an undrafted FA?!?  Rhetorical question, no need to answer. I can guess your answer. Hint: You're a Bills fan, he's a football player making a living beating up his body. "Yeah, I'll take the hometown discount"🤣🤣🤣. If he wasn't out for the money, he would have signed the original tender we offered. Get a clue.

[nucci]

5 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

He still has to agree to it

it's not a big decision to make for the player. This happens all the time. It helps the team and doesn't hurt the player

3 hours ago, Dopey said:

Bates was out for the money. That's why he signed the bears contract. Glad he's back, but he was more than happy to play for the bears and more money. Players trying to maximize their money potential. They are in the same group. 

They're all out for money. Why is that hard to understand? Don't we look for better jobs with more money if available?

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, Dopey said:

Yes, I did. He responded positively to a tweet from a bears fan congratulating him for making good $ for his family when he signed. I didn't save it. Not that important. You don't have to believe it or you can look for it. Question: Do you really need a link to believe he was looking out for his family as an undrafted FA?!?  Rhetorical question, no need to answer. I can guess your answer. Hint: You're a Bills fan, he's a football player making a living beating up his body. "Yeah, I'll take the hometown discount"🤣🤣🤣. If he wasn't out for the money, he would have signed the original tender we offered. Get a clue.

You made a outright statement that Bates is out of money.....for all anyone knows he has been good with his money.   If you want to say something have ***** common sense to back it up with some kind of proof.

 

You made the statement.....not me

[Dopey]

12 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

You made a outright statement that Bates is out of money.....for all anyone knows he has been good with his money.   If you want to say something have ***** common sense to back it up with some kind of proof.

 

You made the statement.....not me

First off, Happy Easter.🙏

You asked if I read it somewhere, I said yes. I felt no need to save the tweet. Bates agreed with the tweet. I stand by my statement. He was looking for the money. Back it up?!? I don't give a 💩if you believe me!