Breece Hall Please!!

[Milanos Milano]

7 minutes ago, CapeBreton said:

 

 

Buscaglia did mock Rousseau to the Bills last year so that is interesting. If the Bills want Breece Hall at 25 then they're probably not sweating one bit, nobody else is going to take him before us. Could realistically trade down a few spots and still get him, just need to stay ahead of the Jets and Falcons.

Oh yeah, it’s happening! Just embrace it everyone, don’t fight it. Just let it happen. 

[newcam2012]

28 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

I cant believe this thread is 52 pages long. 

 

We do not need an elite RB. The potency of the offense is due to Allen's arm and those of the ones he is throwing to. We need to have a competent running game to take the pressure off of Allen and reduce his designed runs. Better blocking will help the running and passing games. 

If Dorsey really wants another RB, get one in round 3 or later. 

Rd 1 is for elite, expensive positions - QB, WR, CB and OTs. If it came down to it, I would rather select an OT or OG before even considering a RB. No first round RBs, not for the Bills and the way their offense is structured. 

Well said. You took the words right out of my mouth. 👍

[Milanos Milano]

3 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Well said. You took the words right out of my mouth. 👍

Just let it happen bro, it will be easier if you just accept that Breece Hall will be our pick. 

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

Just let it happen bro, it will be easier if you just accept that Breece Hall will be our pick. 

 

If he is our pick it likely won't be with their 1st pick. Never can tell for sure so I guess anything can happen. But I highly doubt

[Fan in Chicago]

10 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Just let it happen bro, it will be easier if you just accept that Breece Hall will be our pick. 

Given Beane's proclivities, it will be easier for you to accept that he won't be our Day 1 pick. 

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Given Beane's proclivities, it will be easier for you to accept that he won't be our Day 1 pick. 

He’s manifesting it into reality.   

[Patrick Duffy]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He’s manifesting it into reality.   

 

Lol, he wants it so bad it's as if it's already happened

[NewEra]

45 minutes ago, CookieG said:

I like Motor.  He gets the results of a power back in a 5'7" body.  Meaning, he's very good at getting the 3-5 yard gain and doesn't often get caught in the backfield. He's usually leaning forward and stretching for an extra yard or two.

 

I'd also like a RB that runs under a 4.6 40, at the very least for a change of pace.

 

I like Hall.

I like Walker. 

 

But I like the idea of adding to the secondary more, especially with the influx of new QB's in the AFC and what is sure to be an influx of WR talent during the draft. 

 

Give me Pierre Strong in the 3rd or the 4th.  Or Ty Chandler from North Carolina a little later in the draft. 

You just so happen to have one in Duke Johnson- 4.47.   Another solid RB that played very well at the end of the season.  He was much better than the other Miami Rbs last season.  4.6 ypc behind a bad OL and average over 10 yards per reception

[stinky finger]

33 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Well said. You took the words right out of my mouth. 👍

 
Must’ve been while you were kissing me.

[nucci]

46 minutes ago, CapeBreton said:

 

 

Buscaglia did mock Rousseau to the Bills last year so that is interesting. If the Bills want Breece Hall at 25 then they're probably not sweating one bit, nobody else is going to take him before us. Could realistically trade down a few spots and still get him, just need to stay ahead of the Jets and Falcons.

None of those guys know who the Bills are going to draft. They're just guessing like everyone else

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, CapeBreton said:

Could realistically trade down a few spots and still get him, just need to stay ahead of the Jets and Falcons.

And Arizona 

[gobills404]

1 hour ago, CookieG said:

And?  

 

Going by your figures, nearly 1/2 of his total rushing yards came after contact.  That's ...bad?

 

 

When you play in the garbage defense big 12 it’s definitely not good. As the tweet I posted (that you replied to) said, he was 17th out of 18 big 12 RBs in yards after contact per attempt.

For comparison, Kenneth walker ( 263 carries) averaged 4.44 yards per attempt after contact in a wayyyy tougher conference.

[MrEpsYtown]

40 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

When you play in the garbage defense big 12 it’s definitely not good. As the tweet I posted (that you replied to) said, he was 17th out of 18 big 12 RBs in yards after contact per attempt.

For comparison, Kenneth walker ( 263 carries) averaged 4.44 yards per attempt after contact in a wayyyy tougher conference.

 

Yeah I think Walker is better. His game against Michigan seals it for me. I mean all those Michigan dudes who are going to get drafted this weekend and Walker just ate them up. 

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Yeah I think Walker is better. His game against Michigan seals it for me. I mean all those Michigan dudes who are going to get drafted this weekend and Walker just ate them up. 

Agree but wonder if they want a RB from a zone scheme 

[Milanos Milano]

8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Agree but wonder if they want a RB from a zone scheme 

They do, which is why Breece Hall makes a ton of sense. I’m not saying Walker is a bad RB, he’s not, but Breece  fits this team a lot better. 

Edited April 25, 2022 by IronMaidenBills

[Andy1]

Give me James Cook. RB is not the focus of our offense. Cook gives us speed at a cheaper draft price than Hall.

[MrEpsYtown]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Agree but wonder if they want a RB from a zone scheme 

 

It is hard to tell with what they have done this year so far, but Kromer, with athletic linemen seems to lean that way. Brady was a zone guy as well, and Dorsey seems to have experience in both. At his roots, Dorsey is a Dennis Erickson one back spread zone guy. Coaching wise Dorsey has learned under Mike Shula, Rob Chudzinski, Daboll.

 

I think Walker is good in any scheme, I don't think he is just a zone back. And I think Walker and Hall will be successful, but Walker is better. Neither should be their pick in the first.  

[ArdmoreRyno]

On 3/16/2022 at 11:55 PM, IronMaidenBills said:

4.39   40.   6’ 1” 217lbs.  A faster and bigger Marshawn Lynch.  Breece can run, catch, and block. He has 2 seasons with over 1,400 yards rushing. Out of all the running backs this year, he is the one I want the most. I really hope we can finally get a star RB to compliment Allen. I would roll with Breece and Singletary. 

 

Yea, nah. 

 

I've watched Hall play up close against my Oklahoma State Cowboys and while he's good, he's not someone I'm taken back by. Players like Thurman, Barry, AD, Ricky Williams... I was astounded watching. Not so much with Hall. He's good, but Chuba Hubbard (OSU's 2,000+ yard RB from 2019) was better in college IMO and I wouldn't have drafted Hubbard (like Carolina ended up doing). 

 

 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Just let it happen bro, it will be easier if you just accept that Breece Hall will be our pick. 

I don't mind a scenario where the Bills trade back, get an extra pick(s), and select Hall in the 40s range. I don't think it's a smart pick at 25. 

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Yea, nah. 

 

I've watched Hall play up close against my Oklahoma State Cowboys and while he's good, he's not someone I'm taken back by. Players like Thurman, Barry, AD, Ricky Williams... I was astounded watching. Not so much with Hall. He's good, but Chuba Hubbard (OSU's 2,000+ yard RB from 2019) was better in college IMO and I wouldn't have drafted Hubbard (like Carolina ended up doing). 

 

 

Hall has the same body type, nearly same production as Jonathan Taylor and similar playing styles. He fits what the Bills want to do. I can’t wait until Thursday. I can’t wait for people to see Hall drafted by us. It will be glorious. 

[ExWNYer]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Hall has the same body type, nearly same production as Jonathan Taylor and similar playing styles. He fits what the Bills want to do. I can’t wait until Thursday. I can’t wait for people to see Hall drafted by us. It will be glorious. 

 

Does this cover you for Rounds 1 thru 7 or just Round 1? Because there are plenty of people who don't dislike Breece Hall the player but dislike the thought of taking him at #25, myself included. I don't have a problem taking him in Round 2. Not so much in Round 1. The argument against him, at least for me, is the value...not the player himself. I have stated previously like some others that I prefer Walker but I wouldn't take him in the 1st either. A RB that early seems to fly in the face of the OBD analytics but we'll know one way or another come Thursday night. He should be there, if they truly want him. Can't see anybody wanting him earlier than that.

[RichRiderBills]

I don't get the lust for a WR when we have Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Crowder, and don't sleep on how high on they are of Kumerow. Now factor drafting a WR ...how many touches is he going to get?

 

Breece Hall ..if drafted by the Bills... will be a guy who can get the ball in his hands 10-15 times a game, factor huge in the passing game and be every bit as electric and influential as any WR on the board.

 

Plus Singletary is a UFA next year. We know we were high on a pass catching RB to go after McKissic, and the Duke Johnson acquisition was more to replace Breida. Bills basically still have not made a move to make up for that McKissic loss.

 

Breece Hall makes too much sense....

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, ExWNYer said:

 

Does this cover you for Rounds 1 thru 7 or just Round 1? Because there are plenty of people who don't dislike Breece Hall the player but dislike the thought of taking him at #25, myself included. I don't have a problem taking him in Round 2. Not so much in Round 1. The argument against him, at least for me, is the value...not the player himself. I have stated previously like some others that I prefer Walker but I wouldn't take him in the 1st either. A RB that early seems to fly in the face of the OBD analytics but we'll know one way or another come Thursday night. He should be there, if they truly want him. Can't see anybody wanting him earlier than that.

He likely wont be available when we pick in the second round. We either trade back a few spots or trade up in the 2nd. It doesn’t matter how we do it, I just want him on this team. 

1 minute ago, RichRiderBills said:

I don't get the lust for a WR when we have Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Crowder, and don't sleep on how high on they are of Kumerow. Now factor drafting a WR ...how many touches is he going to get?

 

Breece Hall ..if drafted by the Bills... will be a guy who can get the ball in his hands 10-15 times a game, factor huge in the passing game and be every bit as electric and influential as any WR on the board.

 

Plus Singletary is a UFA next year. We know we were high on a pass catching RB to go after McKissic, and the Duke Johnson acquisition was more to replace Breida. Bills basically still have not made a move to make up for that McKissic loss.

 

Breece Hall makes too much sense....

Excellent post. Post more. 

[ExWNYer]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

He likely wont be available when we pick in the second round. We either trade back a few spots or trade up in the 2nd. It doesn’t matter how we do it, I just want him on this team. 

 

There is definitely a possibility that he'll be there at #57 and, if Beane and the front office feel he won't be, what's to preclude them from trading up in the 2nd Round?

[Buffalo716]

7 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I thought Cam was on the outside.  I have no doubt we will draft multiple CBs but I think it's quite possible none will be in the first round.  

Cam Lewis is 5'9 and appeared outside once due to injuries to tre and Levi 

 

He appeared in the slot other than that iirc..  started there against Houston

 

But his play style and build is not suited for an outside cornerback in the NFL.. I would assume he'll be our backup nickel this season

Edited April 25, 2022 by Buffalo716

[RocCityRoller]

I don't see any Round 1 RB this draft. Harris and Etienne seemed more solid NFL locks last year. As for the top RBs I prefer Walker III to Hall.

I have a feeling CB/S/OL will be Buffalo's first pick this year depending on how the draft falls.

 

Hall has production and is a solid back. I think it takes him a while to get up to speed, and a bunch of his yards are after contact.

Walker III just seems more explosive and elusive to me. If Hall was the Bills 2nd round pick, I'd be happy to have him here, but I think Walker III will be the better NFL RB.

 

 

[HappyDays]

 

[ddaryl]

10 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

LOL.....  Would this be the grapevine

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Color me crazy, but I'd love this because I'd love our all-world QB NOT running the ball so much.

 

[NewEra]

27 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is terrible news for the guys hoping for Hall.  if guys inside the bills FO are giving out any info, the info would be better regarded a smoke. imo.  Beane keeps things close to the vest.  

[Magox]

4 hours ago, CapeBreton said:

 

 

Buscaglia did mock Rousseau to the Bills last year so that is interesting. If the Bills want Breece Hall at 25 then they're probably not sweating one bit, nobody else is going to take him before us. Could realistically trade down a few spots and still get him, just need to stay ahead of the Jets and Falcons.

 

Albert Breer and Simms both believe that Breece will be the Bills pick as well and both of these guys in 18 believed Allen was going to the Bills as well.  

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Yea, nah. 

 

I've watched Hall play up close against my Oklahoma State Cowboys and while he's good, he's not someone I'm taken back by. Players like Thurman, Barry, AD, Ricky Williams... I was astounded watching. Not so much with Hall. He's good, but Chuba Hubbard (OSU's 2,000+ yard RB from 2019) was better in college IMO and I wouldn't have drafted Hubbard (like Carolina ended up doing). 

 

 

They went head to head in 2020 with Breece out rushing him. Breece had 20 carries for 185 and a TD. Chuba had 25 carries for 139 and a TD

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

This is terrible news for the guys hoping for Hall.  if guys inside the bills FO are giving out any info, the info would be better regarded a smoke. imo.  Beane keeps things close to the vest.  

😬🤐

[gonzo1105]

I dont love Hall at 25, I can get behind Hall at say 33 or 34 though. If we want him I get why they would take him at 25 but there aren't many teams beating down the door for a 1st round RB. Maybe the Jets at 34 take him but beyond that I dont see many teams taking a RB even in round 2 this year. I think a slight move back to even like 30 or 31 and taking him and gaining a pick makes more sense to me. 

[Solomon Grundy]

2 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

I dont love Hall at 25, I can get behind Hall at say 33 or 34 though. If we want him I get why they would take him at 25 but there aren't many teams beating down the door for a 1st round RB. Maybe the Jets at 34 take him but beyond that I dont see many teams taking a RB even in round 2 this year. I think a slight move back to even like 30 or 31 and taking him and gaining a pick makes more sense to me. 

Like I said earlier, I could see Arizona picking him too. They have no depth behind James Conner

[Blank Stare]

2 hours ago, Andy1 said:

Give me James Cook. RB is not the focus of our offense. Cook gives us speed at a cheaper draft price than Hall.

There are other backs I like in this draft (including Hall), but agreed with this point. Cook is the perfect back for this team because of what he does in the pass game alone.  Icing on the cake that it doesn’t require a first.

 

I think if there is any of the better corners available at 25 (hoping for Booth), that’s where they go.  If a WR slips, we could go there and I’d love that. I also wouldn’t rule out interior offensive line. Not sexy, but I’ll never be upset if they decide to fortify the line to protect the franchise. 

Edited April 25, 2022 by TheProcess

[John from Riverside]

The only way I draft B. Hall in the first is if the bills just love him so much they dont think he would be available to them in the 2nd and they cant live without him.

 

I really dont think the bills are in that situation.

[Milanos Milano]

1 hour ago, ddaryl said:

LOL.....  Would this be the grapevine

A+

[CookieG]

3 hours ago, gobills404 said:

When you play in the garbage defense big 12 it’s definitely not good. As the tweet I posted (that you replied to) said, he was 17th out of 18 big 12 RBs in yards after contact per attempt.

For comparison, Kenneth walker ( 263 carries) averaged 4.44 yards per attempt after contact in a wayyyy tougher conference.

Yeah, I replied because...something don't seem right there.  Is it possible this Joe Marino guy misread a stat?  The Tweet didn't get much traction.  It had a single like and I don't see that stat being mentioned anywhere else.

 

I assume it came from PFF, who do those type of stats and I don't have a subscription for them.

 

But according PFF, the guy led the entire NCAA in yards after contact over the past 2 years. In addition, according to PFF, they admiringly point out that Hall broke 74 tackles last year, an increase over 2020.

 

"2. Breece Hall, Iowa State

BIG BOARD RANK: 57

Iowa State may have taken a step backward, but Hall was as strong as ever in 2021. In fact, he raised his total to 74 broken tackles this season from 63 last year. He’s got an all-around skill set and NFL size at 6-foot-1 and 220 pounds."  (Walker broke 89 last season)

 

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-top-2022-nfl-draft-rankings-running-backs-kenneth-walker-breece-hall-isaiah-spiller-2

 

So...the guy who led the entire country in YAC over the past 2 years...and who broke more tackles than last season....is also the worst in his own conference in YAC?  Including back ups?

 

If this anomaly is true, you'd think a stat site like PFF would point out the inconsistency.  You know, something like, "he breaks a lot of tackles, but he trips over his feet every  time he does. "

 

All I've seen is a single tweet to the contrary.

 

If the implication is that he is a soft running back...good luck with that. He's no Earl Campbell or Derrick Henry, and it would be foolish to make him play that way.  But he's also not a guy that goes down as soon as he's touched.

 

But enough of that, I don't want him in the 1st anyway. 

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

55 minutes ago, NewEra said:

This is terrible news for the guys hoping for Hall.  if guys inside the bills FO are giving out any info, the info would be better regarded a smoke. imo.  Beane keeps things close to the vest.  

The smoke around Hall and Spiller likely means they like Walker or someone else. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

4 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Oh yeah, it’s happening! Just embrace it everyone, don’t fight it. Just let it happen. 

Yes !! Yes !! I can feel your anger !