Buddo Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Wanted a Jackson/Scwartz combo instead of Ryan. Wouldn't have been as bad as Ryan, imho, but it probably would have ended badly - Jackson being nowhere near the coach I thought he was. Schwartz is still one of the best DCs around imho, and I really struggled with the Ryan hire all long for screwing up the D we did have, when Schwartz was running it. Wasn't exactly in one 'camp' or another, but I seem to remember thinking Rosen would be preferable to Allen. TBH, I preferred Rosen to Darnold, as well, as I thought Darnold gave the football away too much. Iirc, wasn't that struck on Mayfield either, but knew he'd be gone anyway. So right and wrong in about equal measure on the QBs. In my defense, I will say that I jumped on the Allen bandwagon fairly quickly afterwards. There was a point at which I thought Losman had a chance to become a decent QB. Then Fairchild left, and put a stop to that nonsense. Definitely believed in Edwards, until he got Jauroned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 18 hours ago, billybrew1 said: I was a huge Donahoe fane when he first got here but immediately hated him at first news of signing that washed-up Lawyer Milloy and I knew immediately it meant we would lose Pat Williams and Antoine Winfield and I absolutely hated that trade. [snip] Also laughed at Donte Whitner pick when that giant DT the ravens took was still on board (just awful Bills moves.) Minor correction: Milloy had just been cut by New England after refusing a pay cut just before Week1 and was a free agent when he signed with Buffalo a few days after. The Bills won that first game against New England, 31-0, with Milloy leading the way. I thought the Bills were a sure-fire playoff team after that win. Big mistake!! New England returned the favor to us in Week 16 with an identical 31-0 win at home; and went on to win their second Super Bowl. And in 2006, we had just hired a new coach, Dick Jauron. He installed his Tampa 2 defense; and wanted personnel who could play this. This was the motive for drafting both Whitner and John McCargo in the first round, with McCargo apparently being the only player in the draft who could play in that system (according to the Jauron). I agree with you, Baltimore's pick, Haloti Ngata, would have been a tremendous asset. 16 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: Oh my, I have 2 horrible ones that come to mind: 1. Didn’t want Patrick Mahommes or Desean Watson in the draft You were probably actually right on Watson, lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Mine? “Thirteen seconds….we got this!” I was certain after the Bills were up 16-0 late in the 3rd quarter in the Wild Card at Houston in 2019 that the game was won. And also in 1999 when Steve Christie hit the field goal to put us into the lead 16-15 with 16 seconds left in the 4th quarter at Tennessee in the Wild Card. Oops! OTOH, I said there was no way Cincinnati would beat Baltimore in Week 17 in 2017 to put the Bills in the playoffs. Glad I was wrong. Edited February 27, 2022 by chongli 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, chongli said: I was certain after the Bills were up 16-0 late in the 3rd quarter in the Wild Card at Houston in 2019 that the game was won. And also in 1999 when Steve Christie hit the field goal to put us into the lead 16-15 with 16 seconds left in the 4th quarter at Tennessee in the Wild Card. Oops! OTOH, I said there was no way Cincinnati would beat Baltimore in Week 17 to put the Bills in the playoffs. Glad I was wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 20 hours ago, eball said: Hey, it’s the offseason, and since we now actually have a team it’s fun to root for it’s easier to look back at the drought era and reflect. Feel free to come in here and remind us all of your worst takes on the Bills during the drought years. What were you so sure of that was proven to be absolutely wrong? I’ll start. I’m a self-professed homer so even through the drought years I was always looking for the silver lining…but that’s what fans do. Here are a few I’m not particularly proud of: I wanted Rob Johnson to play over Flutie. I was excited when Marv was brought back as GM and thought he would right the ship. I didn’t think Russ Brandon was a tool. I blamed Overdorf for Ralph’s cheapness. I defended Chris Kelsay way more than he deserved. I loved the trade up to draft Sammy Watkins. I fooled myself into thinking Rex Ryan was a good hire. Those are the big ones. I’ve rooted for sub-par players but I think that’s just fandom. What say you? I truly do admire the honesty. I was 100% sure that Rob Johnson was going to be a great quarterback. It took me WAY too long to finally admit that he just didn't have it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 It’s wrong Josh or Baldolbilz Mccoy is washed takes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, Captain_Quint said: I was in the "Don't pay Jason Peters" camp. And then he turned out to be a generational talent at LT. The honesty in this thread is just great!!!! I almost forgot.....when they let Pat Williams walk, I figured that he MUST be past his prime!!! 😁 Edited February 27, 2022 by Bill from NYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNMBillsFan Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Thinking that Maybin was a good #1 pick, especially because of the need at the time....That thought was quickly crushed, maybe around his 3rd game I realized what a bad pick it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) For me it's many of the same things as others have posted. I've been right and I've been wrong. The big thing for me is it's caused me to seriously evaluate what I'm about to post before I do it. I guess you could call it a humility check, and to not be so strident it my views before hand. I used to be willing to defend it to the death. As a side note: I think all Americans could use a humilty check with their views on everything. JMO Edited February 27, 2022 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 21 hours ago, eball said: Hey, it’s the offseason, and since we now actually have a team it’s fun to root for it’s easier to look back at the drought era and reflect. Feel free to come in here and remind us all of your worst takes on the Bills during the drought years. What were you so sure of that was proven to be absolutely wrong? I’ll start. I’m a self-professed homer so even through the drought years I was always looking for the silver lining…but that’s what fans do. Here are a few I’m not particularly proud of: I wanted Rob Johnson to play over Flutie. I was excited when Marv was brought back as GM and thought he would right the ship. I didn’t think Russ Brandon was a tool. I blamed Overdorf for Ralph’s cheapness. I defended Chris Kelsay way more than he deserved. I loved the trade up to draft Sammy Watkins. I fooled myself into thinking Rex Ryan was a good hire. Those are the big ones. I’ve rooted for sub-par players but I think that’s just fandom. What say you? Go and sin no more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 I feel like this thread is my moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) I thought that Dick Jauron would be a good coach. After the 2006 season, I thought that JP Losman would be a decent NFL QB. I thought that Doug Whaley was a good GM. I was unimpressed with McDermott who seemed too much like Jauron. I was also unimpressed with Beane since his background at Carolina didn't seem to include player evaluation. I thought that Baker Mayfield would be the best QB from the 2018 draft class, and that the Bills had given up too much to get Josh Allen. Edited February 27, 2022 by SoTier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 1. Nathan Peterman's quick release was fast like Dan Marino's and he would have great success in this league. 2. J. P. Losman would have a productive career. 3. I thought Marcel Dareus would develop into a Pat Williams type of NT, but instead he went the route of JaMarcus Russell once he got his big pay day. 4. I was on the fence with Johnson vs. Flutie, but leaned a bit toward Johnson instead of Flutie. 5. I thought Kelvin Benjamin was a good acquisition. 6. Duke Williams was going to be that big target and would blossom. 7. Marv Levy was just another coaching "re-tread" and would only last a couple of years in Buffalo as HC. 8. Marv Levy would be a savior as a GM. However, on the flip side, I will say I was all-in on the Josh Allen pick before the draft and didn't think much of the "other Josh". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 minute ago, ChasBB said: 1. Nathan Peterman's quick release was fast like Dan Marino's and he would have great success in this league. 2. J. P. Losman would have a productive career. 3. I thought Marcel Dareus would develop into a Pat Williams type of NT, but instead he went the route of JaMarcus Russell once he got his big pay day. 4. I was on the fence with Johnson vs. Flutie, but leaned a bit toward Johnson instead of Flutie. 5. I thought Kelvin Benjamin was a good acquisition. 6. Duke Williams was going to be that big target and would blossom. 7. Marv Levy was just another coaching "re-tread" and would only last a couple of years in Buffalo as HC. 8. Marv Levy would be a savior as a GM. However, on the flip side, I will say I was all-in on the Josh Allen pick before the draft and didn't think much of the "other Josh". Until the SB parade, you're still in the 'defecit' column. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Just now, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Until the SB parade, you're still in the 'defecit' column. 😁 True 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 I thought Marcel Dareus and Richard Incognito just needed support from team and especially fellow members on line and their issues were able to be handled. Some do not want to get better no matter how many opportunities given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Just now, ChasBB said: True Your Allen support cancels a lot of the miscues, but the Coach Marv vs. GM Marv still has you lagging. Then again, we have had numerous message board members howling for Jim Kelly as coach/coordinator/GM/envoy to the U.N. over the years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Wanted Josh Rosen over Josh Allen. Permanent stain on my record, still I gleefully eat crow. I also thought drafting Torrell Troupe was solid move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 For me, thinking McDermott and Beane were utterly clueless about the QB position. This came from the fact that they saw something in Peterman to have him on the roster. And doubled down not once but twice making him a starter. What did he throw 8 INTs in two starts which ended up just being 4 total quarters of football? They witnessed Peterman for over a full year in practice, and about a half of live action his rookie seasons and still thought he not only warranted a roster spot but that he could be the opening day starter. Factor in that I was not that high on the Allen pick because of his perceived high ceiling and low floor making him a prospect that would need a lot of time to develop I thought our coach and GM were in way over there heads when it came to the QB position and had no idea how to evaluate or develop it. The skills position for the supporting cast was weak as well. Their big acquisition to help the QB was Kelvin Benjamin who ended up a huge bust and ultimately out of the league after the Bills cut him halfway through Allen's rookie season. 1. Couldn't tell Peterman was BAD. 2. Couldn't identify skill players that would help the team. 3. Drafted a project QB with a sky high ceiling and desert floor. All the Bills have done since they have arrived is make the playoffs in 4 out of 5 seasons after a 17 year drought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 16 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: For me, thinking McDermott and Beane were utterly clueless about the QB position. This came from the fact that they saw something in Peterman to have him on the roster. And doubled down not once but twice making him a starter. What did he throw 8 INTs in two starts which ended up just being 4 total quarters of football? They witnessed Peterman for over a full year in practice, and about a half of live action his rookie seasons and still thought he not only warranted a roster spot but that he could be the opening day starter. Factor in that I was not that high on the Allen pick because of his perceived high ceiling and low floor making him a prospect that would need a lot of time to develop I thought our coach and GM were in way over there heads when it came to the QB position and had no idea how to evaluate or develop it. The skills position for the supporting cast was weak as well. Their big acquisition to help the QB was Kelvin Benjamin who ended up a huge bust and ultimately out of the league after the Bills cut him halfway through Allen's rookie season. 1. Couldn't tell Peterman was BAD. 2. Couldn't identify skill players that would help the team. 3. Drafted a project QB with a sky high ceiling and desert floor. All the Bills have done since they have arrived is make the playoffs in 4 out of 5 seasons after a 17 year drought. I think that by the time 2018 rolled around, long time Bills fans like myself had been fed a seemingly endless of menu "project QBs" from Rob Johnson to JP Losman to Trent Edwards to EJ Manuel to Tyrod Taylor to Josh Allen for so long that many of us were just of the "here we go again" mindset. I know that's how I felt about Allen when we drafted him. I refused to emotionally invest in Allen during his rookie season because I figured he'd bust just like the others had even though his leadership and his willingness to do whatever he needed to do to win put him on an entirely different level from his failed predecessors. His passing skills as a rookie were terrible and his decision making seriously suspect. I still find it amazing that the Bills actually did find that 1 "project QB" in a 100 who actually becomes elite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, SoTier said: I refused to emotionally invest in Allen during his rookie season because Many say they came around after the Vikings game but for me that was way too early still. The game that got me on the bandwagon was the first Miami game. In that game he looked like the Josh Allen in the second half against the Bucs this year. The difference was he was playing with a terrible supporting cast back then. He really showcased his skill set and potential in that Miami game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 I might not be alone on this one, but I was sure that Nate Peterman was gonna be the answer. Oh and I listened to this stupid song and believed it was true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 When he first arrived on these shores I thought that @Gugnywould have a promising posting career. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin said: I might not be alone on this one, but I was sure that Nate Peterman was gonna be the answer. Oh and I listened to this stupid song and believed it was true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Truly too many to remember or categorize. I’ll just drop a couple names. Dunkirk Don, Scooby.🤮🤬 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Truly too many to remember or categorize. I’ll just drop a couple names. Dunkirk Don, Scooby.🤮🤬 Crayonz also 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Truly too many to remember or categorize. I’ll just drop a couple names. Dunkirk Don, Scooby.🤮🤬 3 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Crayonz also You had all of those aliases? Wow! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 I claimed the era of great QBs would end with guys like Rogers and Brady because the QBs coming out could only play in spread offenses and wouldn’t adapt to the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 On 2/26/2022 at 1:09 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said: i am also a homer. I still even look back at those drought rosters and think, “man, this seems like a good team.” I also had the same pro-RJ and pro-Kelsey views as you, so I won’t repeat them. for me: 1) I was a huge Tom Donahoe fan 2) I was also a big Chan Gailey fan 3) Approved of letting Winfield and Pat Williams walk. 4) Non-Bills take: Ryan Leaf over Peyton Manning I don't think Chan Gailey was a bad coach at all. One of our best game callers for sure. He and Fitz, Stevie, they had some pretty good showings. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 34 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Crayonz also You mean the rainbow pony? He’s still around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 On 2/26/2022 at 12:40 PM, eball said: Hey, it’s the offseason, and since we now actually have a team it’s fun to root for it’s easier to look back at the drought era and reflect. Feel free to come in here and remind us all of your worst takes on the Bills during the drought years. What were you so sure of that was proven to be absolutely wrong? I’ll start. I’m a self-professed homer so even through the drought years I was always looking for the silver lining…but that’s what fans do. Here are a few I’m not particularly proud of: I wanted Rob Johnson to play over Flutie. I was excited when Marv was brought back as GM and thought he would right the ship. I didn’t think Russ Brandon was a tool. I blamed Overdorf for Ralph’s cheapness. I defended Chris Kelsay way more than he deserved. I loved the trade up to draft Sammy Watkins. I fooled myself into thinking Rex Ryan was a good hire. Those are the big ones. I’ve rooted for sub-par players but I think that’s just fandom. What say you? Most of these takes were rather reasonable positions at the time and would have agreed with most. None were crazy ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Trent Edwards as a potential franchise guy Rosen over Allen (which turned out to be the GOAT fail-take for a lot of us) Excited about Rex hire Otherwise, I've never been wrong. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 I infamously "hung onto" EJ for at least a year too long. I just could not give up on the kid. But yes ... he just sucked. I was very excited about the Rex Ryan hire. In fairness, that did NOT last long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 In hindsight, the worst take on this board is insisting the Bills were idiots for not drafting the Rat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 I thought that GM Marv Levy and coach Dick Jauron made a brilliant move by bringing in Steve Fairchild to import the greatest Show On Turf offense to Buffalo, and that we had the personnel to successfully execute it with Lee Evans, Andre Davis, Peerless Price, Roscoe Parrish, and JP Losman. Thought we’d set the league on fire. Also thought Josh Reed was a very underrated slot receiver. Also thought Trent Edwards would be “the one”. Also openly didn’t want anything to do with Josh Allen. I could go on all day. Never listen to my takes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) Stop talking about QBs, just keep building around Tyrod. He just made the playoffs and we have all this draft capital Edited February 27, 2022 by cage 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) I was always a fan of Zay Jones. Never said he was an all pro, but... Edit: I didn't want him replaced by Duke. Never thought Duke was a better option. Edited February 27, 2022 by Dopey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 On 2/26/2022 at 12:40 PM, eball said: Hey, it’s the offseason, and since we now actually have a team it’s fun to root for it’s easier to look back at the drought era and reflect. Feel free to come in here and remind us all of your worst takes on the Bills during the drought years. What were you so sure of that was proven to be absolutely wrong? I’ll start. I’m a self-professed homer so even through the drought years I was always looking for the silver lining…but that’s what fans do. Here are a few I’m not particularly proud of: I wanted Rob Johnson to play over Flutie. I was excited when Marv was brought back as GM and thought he would right the ship. I didn’t think Russ Brandon was a tool. I blamed Overdorf for Ralph’s cheapness. I defended Chris Kelsay way more than he deserved. I loved the trade up to draft Sammy Watkins. I fooled myself into thinking Rex Ryan was a good hire. Those are the big ones. I’ve rooted for sub-par players but I think that’s just fandom. What say you? With ya on the Rob Johnson thing. He did lead us to a game winning FG in the playoffs. I still say that was a forward pass by Tennessee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 I liked OJ Simpson pre 1994. I don't remember if I ever said "We want Marangi", but I might have. I wanted Steve Spurrier to replace Hank Bullough, not Marv. I wanted Johnson over Flutie. I predicted JP Losman would lead us to a 12 win season his 1st year as a starter-Woops! Once I jumped off the JP bandwagon, I predicted Trent Edwards would be a HOF QB. (I think that's my greatest mistake) Now for a couple of good takes: With all those overly optimistic QB thoughts, I only questioned 1 QB, EJ Manuel. Before the draft I was against drafting a QB, especially in the 1st round because It was obvious to most people not named Buddy Nix that it was a bad QB class. I even posted on another board comparing that class to another one that produced no quality NFL QBs. After EJ said he was offering stock in his career I asked the question "How can I short the stock?" When we drafted Josh, I went back to optimist mode. Now these 2 things haven't happened yet, but I believe they will someday in the future. The day Josh signed his rookie contract I posted on Facebook "Bills sign future Super Bowl MVP" and on opening day 2019 I responded to a Jets fan in front of me on the bus to the game who was criticizing Josh & his accuracy by telling him Josh will end up in the Hall of Fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) I thought Trent Edwards was going to be our long-term answer at QB. Edited February 28, 2022 by Beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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