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23 hours ago, Rigotz said:

 

This is the guy you want? 

https://www.tmz.com/videos/0-exjrtvg5/

 

"Never charged with a crime" ... come on. If you're fine with compromising on character, at least admit it.

 

The incident was immediately reported to the police, who declined to arrest Hunt or charge him with a crime, despite the victim’s request that they do so.  You should consider the possibility that there was more to the story than your 10-second video clip…

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The same Kareem Hunt that brutalizes women? No thanks, I’ll pass. 

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I sincerely doubt this is a move the Kim Pegula would endorse.  The guy is a scum bag.  I'll take Singletary any day over this coward.

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Not a fan of the guy, but the reality is sometimes you have to employ some undesirables if you want to win. Of course I'd love to win with a bunch of choir boys, but if a couple of degenerates gets us

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4 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Hunt would be the best RB the Bills have had on their roster in a very long time.  Great runner and weapon in the passing game.  I doubt Cleveland moves on from him this off-season though.

Agreed.  I think the Cle management is aware their OL is elite and when D'ernest had the opportunity in Hunt's absence, he flashed.  They can get away with a "downgrade" here and still get the production while reducing their cap number.  You could be right though, he is under contract w/o guaranteed $.

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3 minutes ago, filthymcnasty08 said:

Agreed.  I think the Cle management is aware their OL is elite and when D'ernest had the opportunity in Hunt's absence, he flashed.  They can get away with a "downgrade" here and still get the production while reducing their cap number.  You could be right though, he is under contract w/o guaranteed $.

He did only play in 8 games last season.  2021 was definitely a down year for him so it is possible that they move on from him.  I didn’t mean to sound so definitive.  I just don’t think him getting cut loose is a slam dunk. 

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27 minutes ago, mannc said:

The incident was immediately reported to the police, who declined to arrest Hunt or charge him with a crime, despite the victim’s request that they do so.  You should consider the possibility that there was more to the story than your 10-second video clip…or you could just continue to virtue-signal.

 

If you think it's ok to attack women under any circumstance, then I got nothin for ya bud.

 

I don't really care what the police said. Call it virtue signaling if you want, but a guy rushing toward a woman and kicking her in the head is not my cup of tea. 

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5 hours ago, TBBills said:

I can guarantee you it has happened to way more people then you think. Humans drink and smoke and things happen.

 

Hell I saw a story of an Amish guy getting a DUI on horse and buggy. ***** happens all the time to many people.


Exactly, didn’t realize I was talking to the second coming of Christ on this board. 

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I have always believed that character matters, but I've also believed that character can change.  Given Hunt's past, I would be exceedingly careful to check Hunt's off field behavior since the incident on video.  I'd want to see not just a clean record, but evidence that he has acted in a way that reflects positive, healty relationships with women.  Lacking that, I would pass.

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30 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

They were all in on Antonio brown, apparently you don’t remember, or it doesn’t fit your narrative. 


it’s not my “narrative.” I just haven’t seen any evidence of them taking risks on character. You are right— nearly trading for AB may have been the one lone exception. But, if anything, that near miss has probably made them more risk averse. 
 

i don’t get why you think I am pushing a narrative. Whatever your opinions or my opinions are of this issue, my point is that there is no evidence of the current FO taking risks on character. There are no guys on this team with character red flags (esp since the Bills own investigation cleared Dodson— the one guy).

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21 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Did I miss something?  Was there more that happened?

 

Domestic violence has been mentioned in this thread.  Particularly how some can't bring themselves to support such behavior when they have and do.  It's totally relevant.  Keep that same energy. 

Yeah, you missed something.

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22 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I mean I don't really like that situation at all but "brutalized and kicked" is an awfully exaggerated way to refer to what happened in that video.

 

Agreed.  To be fair, Hunt being cut was said to be  based on more than that one incident (there was an incident where he punched another guest at a Put-in Bay resort in June), and also on Hunt not telling the truth about the Feb. incident (he and his friends said he never came out of the room, which the video clearly contradicts)

 

1 hour ago, Another Fan said:

So I guess everyone really disliked Shady McCoy then 

 

After his various incidents, there were a substantial (and outspoken) group here who thought he should be cut immediately.

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22 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Whatever anyone’s own opinions, does anyone genuinely believe the Bills would actually sign him, based on the team’s focus on character?  There is a zero percent chance.

 

It was reported (including by a guy who had some inside gouge) that the Bills were interested in Hunt before Cleveland signed him in Feb of 2019.  Apparently the Bills were still doing some "due diligence" and talking to people while Cleveland pulled up with a pen and a contract.  Doesn't sound like a 0 percent chance.

 

I think the Bills are interested in character, but they are also interested in making their own determination on that point (they signed Tyrell Dodson and kept him after he was arrested for domestic violence and then suspended for 6 games)

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/bills-rookie-lb-tyrel-dodson-arrested-for-domestic-violence/article_55dce20e-3124-5ef4-b03c-710624279a2f.html

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/nfl-suspends-bills-tyrel-dodson-games-domestic-abuse-65593699

It doesn't sound like a pretty story

https://www.tmz.com/2019/05/30/tyrel-dodson-domestic-violence-buffalo-bills-nfl/

 

But it also sounds like something a guy could learn, grow, and move on from.  I don't see why the Bills might not make the same conclusion about Hunt, if they believe he's stopped punching guys at resorts and kicking women in hotel hallways.

 

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19 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

Your oversimplification ignores the full range of reasons why people might be against adding Kareem Hunt. I'm sure there are many here like me who believe that this team is good enough to win a Super Bowl as is and doesn't have to compromise character to attain their goals. There are also those who feel this team can improve by adding excellent and law-abiding players.

 

Having gangsters and thugs on the team is not and never has been a prerequisite to winning championships. Plenty of championships have been won by teams with "pillars of the community" on the roster.

Let me ask you this. If we would win a Superbowl with Hunt on the roster would that win mean any less to you?

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26 minutes ago, Doc said:

What woman did he touch, Another Fan?

 

And it's funny that many who slam Hunt would gladly take a guy who committed felony assault on a Bills player.

I'll just leave it as he was never exactly a model person 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/9275214/police-investigating-bus-incident-involving-lesean-mccoy-philadelphia-eagles

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/07/23/bills-asked-lesean-mccoy-to-take-down-his-ad-for-creepy-females-only-party-because-it-used-their-logo/

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/lesean-mccoy-left-20-cent-tip-says-restaurant-owner-2014-9

 

 

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5 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

I have always believed that character matters, but I've also believed that character can change.  Given Hunt's past, I would be exceedingly careful to check Hunt's off field behavior since the incident on video.  I'd want to see not just a clean record, but evidence that he has acted in a way that reflects positive, healty relationships with women.  Lacking that, I would pass.

 

For me, the video is enough.  But I don't think your take is unreasonable.

 

I disagree with the people who say it's all about winning and football players are not choir boys.  If I was a coach or GM, I wouldn't be looking for saints.  But I would want folks with some minimal level of character. 

 

I think the chances of building the right culture get better when you make character one of the prerequisites for being part of this special team we're building.  

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34 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

We don't need a court indictment or a jury's verdict.  We all saw with our own eyes what he did.  

Care to address the fact that the police came immediately and didn’t arrest him and he was never even charged with a misdemeanor, despite the fact that they had the video tape? Think maybe there was more to the story?

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I don't think that Kareem Hunt will be on the Bills team his skill set would be welcome to this offense but personally i would love to see exactly what led to him getting to this point because some women can be evil and push every known button to piss a guy off i have personally experienced this .

 

The women in the video looks to be very young & (this is just me) possible gold digger, & i think she may just be hanging with him for her own personal gain to tell her friends "I have hung out with Kareem Hunt" look at me ! I could be very wrong but we don't & will probably never know .

 

Sure he should have just walked away & let it be but some people just won't let that happen until you make it known in some way that your done . 

 

I think i would rather have Fournette if the money was right he is a bigger back to compliment Motor & be better for short yardage .

 

If your the sedative type don't watch this video ....

 

 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Niiiiiice I totally missed that he did that there

 

Good catch

 

 

Tyrel Dodson?


The Bills did an investigation into the Dodson incident and found no credible evidence supporting it. While speciation on my part, if they found credible evidence, I would have thought they would have cut him, esp.

since he was an undrafted rookie. 

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17 hours ago, mannc said:

Care to address the fact that the police came immediately and didn’t arrest him and he was never even charged with a misdemeanor, despite the fact that they had the video tape? Think maybe there was more to the story?

You are attempting to defend the indefensible.  What more to the story would justify what you saw? Who knows why the cops did not arrest him.  Maybe it was the first bad decision in the history of policing.  Whatever the reason, he should have gone to jail and I would not want him on the Bills.  Scumbag. 

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43 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Niiiiiice I totally missed that he did that there

I worked with a guy who was an old timer from Brooklyn. He was married and constantly cheated on his wife. Once, when talking about these women he told me "I expect my broads to be loyal." :)  He was being serious.

I knew he was crazy and I was too young to speak up, but I never forgot this. One all but never hears this term these days, or at least I do not. 

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1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:


The Bills did an investigation into the Dodson incident and found no credible evidence supporting it. While speciation on my part, if they found credible evidence, I would have thought they would have cut him, esp.

since he was an undrafted rookie. 

 

The NFL suspended Dodson for 6 games so they believed there was credible evidence of "something"

Dodson was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct, assault/domestic violence and damage to property

 

Here is a description of the allegations:

https://sports.yahoo.com/bills-rookie-tyrel-dodson-arrested-on-domestic-assault-other-charges-225308094.html

-he grabbed her "forcefully" and shoved her against the wall

-he slapped her, after she slapped him

-she locked herself in the bathroom and he broke the door down

-he shoved her to the floor in the kitchen

-the argument was so loud a neighbor was concerned for the woman and knocked on her door to check on her

-she left the apartment and when she returned, found that Dodson had taken her car keys, $500 from her purse, and money from her safe under the bed

 

Dodson settled by entering a pre-trial diversion program for the domestic violence charge and agreeing to make restitution of the money, upon which the other charges were dropped.

 

Now I'm not saying the Bills shouldn't have signed him.  He did his counseling/diversion program and hopefully is a better man.

 

But from the description given, I'm willing to bet that would look at least as bad or worse than Kareem Hunt's incident. 

 

And Dodson was actually arrested, charged, and suspended by the NFL.

 

So I don't think we should conclude that the Bills would never sign a player who has anything in his past.

 

 

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19 hours ago, mannc said:

Care to address the fact that the police came immediately and didn’t arrest him and he was never even charged with a misdemeanor, despite the fact that they had the video tape? Think maybe there was more to the story?

Of course there was more to the story. Money and celebrity. Money, influence and power tend to remove the blindfold from the justice system. Not race. 

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5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The NFL suspended Dodson for 6 games so they believed there was credible evidence of "something"

Dodson was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct, assault/domestic violence and damage to property

 

Here is a description of the allegations:

https://sports.yahoo.com/bills-rookie-tyrel-dodson-arrested-on-domestic-assault-other-charges-225308094.html

-he grabbed her "forcefully" and shoved her against the wall

-he slapped her, after she slapped him

-she locked herself in the bathroom and he broke the door down

-he shoved her to the floor in the kitchen

-the argument was so loud a neighbor was concerned for the woman and knocked on her door to check on her

-she left the apartment and when she returned, found that Dodson had taken her car keys, $500 from her purse, and money from her safe under the bed

 

Dodson settled by entering a pre-trial diversion program for the domestic violence charge and agreeing to make restitution of the money, upon which the other charges were dropped.

 

Now I'm not saying the Bills shouldn't have signed him.  He did his counseling/diversion program and hopefully is a better man.

 

But from the description given, I'm willing to bet that would look at least as bad or worse than Kareem Hunt's incident. 

 

And Dodson was actually arrested, charged, and suspended by the NFL.

 

So I don't think we should conclude that the Bills would never sign a player who has anything in his past.

 

 

This is an excellent point to this discussion. We probably need to respect the people that make these decisions and not let our own personal biases dictate the narrative 

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