Alvin Kamara arrested in Vegas after Pro Bowl

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, QLBillsFan said:

Clearly not what I meant and you know it. We are discussing current NFL and what franchises have either turned a blind eye because of the talent a player has. 
Bills should take down OJ thats fine. He’s rarely mentioned now by anyone and that’s the way it should be. What others suggest is that in the current NFL, KC has been exceptionally active with such players. That’s true. 

No need to be condescending. Just a discussion and no I don’t support OJ. 
 

 

You're right.  I apologize for the snark.  I get the difference between continuing to honor a former player who eventually became a double-murderer - and actively signing known woman-abusers/scumbags.

 

I just find it interesting how many Bills fans still think OJ's name should stay on the wall and those same fans criticize other teams.  I know you're not one of those guys and again, I apologize for being a dick.

 

[QLBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

You're right.  I apologize for the snark.  I get the difference between continuing to honor a former player who eventually became a double-murderer - and actively signing known woman-abusers/scumbags.

 

I just find it interesting how many Bills fans still think OJ's name should stay on the wall and those same fans criticize other teams.  I know you're not one of those guys and again, I apologize for being a dick.

 

All good 👍 just a discussion. I’ve been way worse than that. Have tried to be less so recently. Good to care and be passionate. Nothing wrong with that 🍻 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33238563/police-report-video-evidence-supports-allegations-new-orleans-saints-rb-alvin-kamara

 

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According to the video surveillance, the man was speaking to a woman before the events occurred as he described. After Kamara pushed the man, one of Kamara's associates punched the man in the face. Then Kamara lunged toward the man and punched him approximately eight times -- including three times after he had fallen to the ground.

 

Three others from Kamara's group then began stomping the man in the face, chest and legs. One of Kamara's associates stomped him approximately 16 times, according to the police report. The incident broke up once security arrived, and Kamara and his party were escorted out of the property. Kamara was later identified through video and eyewitness accounts, and he had used his ID and credit card while at the casino.

 

I assume the "associate" was also arrested, or will be soon

 

Kamara is pretty certain to face a civil suit, and can possibly make the criminal charges go away if he settles large and fast.

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The man, who was knocked unconscious, suffered an orbital fracture to his right eye, among other injuries, according to the police report.

 

[Warcodered]

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33238563/police-report-video-evidence-supports-allegations-new-orleans-saints-rb-alvin-kamara

 

 

I assume the "associate" was also arrested, or will be soon

 

Kamara is pretty certain to face a civil suit, and can possibly make the criminal charges go away if he settles large and fast.

 

geezus that sounds like they're lucky they didn't kill him.

Edited February 7, 2022 by Warcodered

[QCity]

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Police said the video surveillance matched the man's account. The man said he started a conversation with one member of a group of people while waiting for an elevator as he was leaving the Cromwell Casino at Drais After Dark Club on South Las Vegas Boulevard at approximately 6:30 a.m. local time. When the elevator doors opened, the man started to walk toward the elevator along with the large party. But a man later identified as Kamara put his hand on the victim's chest to stop him.

 

The man said he then pushed Kamara's hand off his chest, and Kamara pushed back hard enough to cause the man to stumble back. Afterward the man recalled being hit and kicked by multiple people and losing consciousness.

 

 

And that's how it started. Kamara didn't want the guy sharing an elevator with his group. 

[frostbitmic]

Those lines for the early bird buffet can get mighty gnarly.

[DCbillsfan]

Sounds pretty bad for Kamara.  Curious to see what the Saints do if anything.

[Saint Doug]

“I’ll pick ‘what it takes to be Chief’ for $800, Alex”

[Phils n Bills]

So they actually  waited until after the game to arrest him? Unbelievable 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

14mi cap hit this year, 20 mill dead cap. 
 

Cutting him saves the Saints no money. 

[Bray Wyatt]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

14mi cap hit this year, 20 mill dead cap. 
 

Cutting him saves the Saints no money. 

I thought I saw that if he is suspended there are voids to his guarantees

[EmotionallyUnstable]

10 hours ago, Gugny said:

I think it's cute that the Chiefs keep getting brought up by a fanbase whose favorite team continues to openly and publicly celebrate one of the most infamous murderers in U.S. history.

Allegedly. 

10 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Beat me to it!

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Kamara is pretty certain to face a civil suit, and can possibly make the criminal charges go away if he settles large and fast.

 

The justice system strikes again.

[K-9]

11 hours ago, LeviF said:

 

Always have a fall guy in your crew.

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, Phils n Bills said:

So they actually  waited until after the game to arrest him? Unbelievable 

to be fair, they might not have completed interviews with others, getting the video etc… until after his workday started. At that point, why not bring him in at the close of business in a less confrontational manner 

[RyanC883]

6 hours ago, QCity said:

 

And that's how it started. Kamara didn't want the guy sharing an elevator with his group. 

 

wow, if that's how it started.  oh my.  

Yikes, add lying to the police on top of his charges.  

 

"Kamara told police that he was with his girlfriend, his assistant and a couple of friends. Kamara said the man called one of his friends ugly while they were waiting for the elevator and then later said, "I'll whup your ass too." Kamara said he saw a fight break out next to him and saw the man get punched. When asked why he punched the man, Kamara indicated that he thought the man was running away and had done something to his group -- so he chased him and punched him several times." 

 

Also, the story Kamara told, beyond not being backed up by the video, is absurd.  

[Nextmanup]

33 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

wow, if that's how it started.  oh my.  

Yikes, add lying to the police on top of his charges.  

 

"Kamara told police that he was with his girlfriend, his assistant and a couple of friends. Kamara said the man called one of his friends ugly while they were waiting for the elevator and then later said, "I'll whup your ass too." Kamara said he saw a fight break out next to him and saw the man get punched. When asked why he punched the man, Kamara indicated that he thought the man was running away and had done something to his group -- so he chased him and punched him several times." 

 

Also, the story Kamara told, beyond not being backed up by the video, is absurd.  

Never trust a man with a tattoo on his throat.

 

 

[Richard Noggin]

9 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Never trust a man with a tattoo on his throat.

 

 

There's a part of me that wants to chuckle here, and a part of me that wants to cringe (at both me and you).

 

I think such superficial judgments are outdated and culturally biased/prejudicial. I have been guilty myself of internalizing (but hopefully not acting upon or passing along) these same judgments. 

[smuvtalker]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33238563/police-report-video-evidence-supports-allegations-new-orleans-saints-rb-alvin-kamara

 

 

I assume the "associate" was also arrested, or will be soon

 

Kamara is pretty certain to face a civil suit, and can possibly make the criminal charges go away if he settles large and fast.

 

While I'm 100% in agreement with you on the civil suit Hap, do you really think he can make the criminal charges go away so easily?

 

I didn't see the video, but it sounds like they beat the brakes off this guy to say the least.  Kamara punched this guy 8 times, and it's noted that three of those times where while the guy was on the ground already knocked out cold.  Holy crap Alvin, that's some straight up BS.  To me that speaks volumes to his character.  It's one thing to hit a guy, but to do it 8 times and 3 after the guys already out?  I'm surprised all they did was fracture his orbital bone.  Me thinks the league is gonna come down swift and harsh on him, regardless of what happens as far as criminal charges, but if I was a gambling man, I'd feel pretty comfortable wagering a pretty penny that these charges stick, and wouldn't be surprised if the DA decides to upgrade them.  Doesn't sound like aggravated assault is too far of a reach to me.  And we all know, video just makes it all worse.  This brings Ray Rice to mind. (I know she was a female, which makes it a gazillion times worse, but we're talking about video of a guy beating a guy down and still hitting him after he's knocked out)

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, smuvtalker said:

While I'm 100% in agreement with you on the civil suit Hap, do you really think he can make the criminal charges go away so easily?

 

I didn't see the video, but it sounds like they beat the brakes off this guy to say the least.  Kamara punched this guy 8 times, and it's noted that three of those times where while the guy was on the ground already knocked out cold.  Holy crap Alvin, that's some straight up BS.  To me that speaks volumes to his character.  It's one thing to hit a guy, but to do it 8 times and 3 after the guys already out?  I'm surprised all they did was fracture his orbital bone.  Me thinks the league is gonna come down swift and harsh on him, regardless of what happens as far as criminal charges, but if I was a gambling man, I'd feel pretty comfortable wagering a pretty penny that these charges stick, and wouldn't be surprised if the DA decides to upgrade them.  Doesn't sound like aggravated assault is too far of a reach to me.  And we all know, video just makes it all worse.  This brings Ray Rice to mind. (I know she was a female, which makes it a gazillion times worse, but we're talking about video of a guy beating a guy down and still hitting him after he's knocked out)

 

I was thinking that prosecutors usually won't pursue charges if the witness disappears or refuses to cooperate. 

And a confidential settlement can specify that the settlement is void if the parties discuss what happened (including in court)

 

But you do have a point in that the video evidence might make a huge difference.  I guess it depends on the DA.

 

I agree that the league will suspend him, and should.  The video with Hunt, while against a woman, was relatively "milquetoast" and the young woman suffered no injuries.  Hunt was suspended 8 games.

[RyanC883]

8 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

There's a part of me that wants to chuckle here, and a part of me that wants to cringe (at both me and you).

 

I think such superficial judgments are outdated and culturally biased/prejudicial. I have been guilty myself of internalizing (but hopefully not acting upon or passing along) these same judgments. 

 

what culture that Alvin belongs to promotes throat tattoos?  Can't think of any.   

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I was thinking that prosecutors usually won't pursue charges if the witness disappears or refuses to cooperate. 

And a confidential settlement can specify that the settlement is void if the parties discuss what happened (including in court)

 

But you do have a point in that the video evidence might make a huge difference.  I guess it depends on the DA.

 

I agree that the league will suspend him, and should.  The video with Hunt, while against a woman, was relatively "milquetoast" and the young woman suffered no injuries.  Hunt was suspended 8 games.

 

Good points.  It does depend on the DA.  If the DA want's to go after Alvin, he can subpoena the victim.  At this point, it's "the state" v. Alvin, not the victim.  And the victim has to cooperate if summoned.  

 

BTW, is this video in the public domain anywhere?  All I can find are recaps.  

 

[bigduke6]

well if Kamara is guilty of all this,  i hope he has to pay out his ass to make it go away,   money and the loss of it is the only thing alot of people understand as punishment these days.   hit him hard,  make him rethink his life choices.

[wjag]

16 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

what culture that Alvin belongs to promotes throat tattoos?  Can't think of any.   

 

Good points.  It does depend on the DA.  If the DA want's to go after Alvin, he can subpoena the victim.  At this point, it's "the state" v. Alvin, not the victim.  And the victim has to cooperate if summoned.  

 

BTW, is this video in the public domain anywhere?  All I can find are recaps.  

 

 

TMZ will eventually get it.  They always seem to $$$find$$$ a way...

[RyanC883]

the thing I don't get about all of this, is that Kamara seemed like a good dude, and then this happens.  Pro athletes need to surround themselves with better people.  Do teams have people to go with these guys to events in cities like Vegas to keep them out of trouble?? 

[billsfan1959]

34 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

the thing I don't get about all of this, is that Kamara seemed like a good dude, and then this happens.  Pro athletes need to surround themselves with better people.  Do teams have people to go with these guys to events in cities like Vegas to keep them out of trouble?? 

 

According to a review of the video, Kamara initiated the physical contact with the guy and punched him approximately eight times, including two or three after the guy was down. Responsibility for his behavior starts with him. If he needs people around him to keep him from violently assaulting others, then maybe they should replace those people with steel bars in the form of a jail cell...

[wjag]

Am I following this correctly?  Alvin stayed out until 0630a on the night before and day of the Pro Bowl drinking and partying?  He then went on to play the game later that day and was subsequently taken into custody (presumably in or near the locker room after the game).  

[Royale with Cheese]

Supposed pics of the victim.

[wjag]

23 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Supposed pics of the victim.

Ouch.

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 hours ago, bigduke6 said:

well if Kamara is guilty of all this,  i hope he has to pay out his ass to make it go away,   money and the loss of it is the only thing alot of people understand as punishment these days.   hit him hard,  make him rethink his life choices.

let him spend his few remaining football years in the slammer

[smuvtalker]

4 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

what culture that Alvin belongs to promotes throat tattoos?  Can't think of any.   

 

Good points.  It does depend on the DA.  If the DA want's to go after Alvin, he can subpoena the victim.  At this point, it's "the state" v. Alvin, not the victim.  And the victim has to cooperate if summoned.  

 

BTW, is this video in the public domain anywhere?  All I can find are recaps.  

 

Good point.  You and Hap both reminded me that even if the state does in fact pursue charges against Kamara, and even if they go for more serious charges, it's all moot if the witness doesn't cooperate.  And if Kamara throws the right amount of money at the guy, I would imagine he'd most certainly not cooperate.   Again, I haven't seen the video, but if it's bad as described, I can see the league suspending Kamara to the tune of, my guess would be 4 games minimum, if he's lucky.

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Supposed pics of the victim.

I can't tell if that's swelling or just natural fluffiness.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, smuvtalker said:

Good point.  You and Hap both reminded me that even if the state does in fact pursue charges against Kamara, and even if they go for more serious charges, it's all moot if the witness doesn't cooperate.  And if Kamara throws the right amount of money at the guy, I would imagine he'd most certainly not cooperate.   Again, I haven't seen the video, but if it's bad as described, I can see the league suspending Kamara to the tune of, my guess would be 4 games minimum, if he's lucky.

 

Hunt got 8 games for what appears to be substantially less

 

3 hours ago, wjag said:

Am I following this correctly?  Alvin stayed out until 0630a on the night before and day of the Pro Bowl drinking and partying?  He then went on to play the game later that day and was subsequently taken into custody (presumably in or near the locker room after the game).  

 

I dunno about where he was taken into custody, but otherwise - yes.

[Phils n Bills]

17 hours ago, NoSaint said:

to be fair, they might not have completed interviews with others, getting the video etc… until after his workday started. At that point, why not bring him in at the close of business in a less confrontational manner 

If that’s how it played out I completely agree 

[YoloinOhio]

5 hours ago, wjag said:

Am I following this correctly?  Alvin stayed out until 0630a on the night before and day of the Pro Bowl drinking and partying?  He then went on to play the game later that day and was subsequently taken into custody (presumably in or near the locker room after the game).  

Yes and the nfl knew he was a suspect before the game. The police told them. 

[MarkyMannn]

4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Supposed pics of the victim.

Anyone know what that shirt patch is?

[smuvtalker]

12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I was thinking that prosecutors usually won't pursue charges if the witness disappears or refuses to cooperate. 

And a confidential settlement can specify that the settlement is void if the parties discuss what happened (including in court)

 

But you do have a point in that the video evidence might make a huge difference.  I guess it depends on the DA.

 

I agree that the league will suspend him, and should.  The video with Hunt, while against a woman, was relatively "milquetoast" and the young woman suffered no injuries.  Hunt was suspended 8 games.

Just finished watching the Hunt video for the first time.  Okay, if Hunt got suspend 8 games for THAT, Kamara could be looking upwards of 71, 72 games.  

 

Sheesh, I'm a STAUNCH critic of men who put their hands on women, but I gotta agree with you, that video was rather softcore IMO.  8 games was obviously the league making an example out of him. 

 

I really, really want to see this video now.  Noone seems to have a copy. In due time I suppose.  

 

In relation to football, losing Kamara for a quarter, half or longer is going to be a huge blow, but I think the impact will be significantly greater because of several factors.  The uncertainty at the QB position, regardless of who is back there. The Saints best bet IMO is to have Winston win the job and start the season as QB1.  They're going to need Kamara there as not just the dynamic back that he is, but I think his blocking abilities are underrated, and him being that safety valve for dumpoffs and screen passes is crucial. Plus, they still don't know if their number one WR will even be there come opening day.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

20 minutes ago, smuvtalker said:

Just finished watching the Hunt video for the first time.  Okay, if Hunt got suspend 8 games for THAT, Kamara could be looking upwards of 71, 72 games.  

 

Sheesh, I'm a STAUNCH critic of men who put their hands on women, but I gotta agree with you, that video was rather softcore IMO.  8 games was obviously the league making an example out of him. 

 

To be fair, there was apparently another incident at the Put-in Bay Resort in Ohio, where Hunt punched a fellow guest:

https://arrowheadaddict.com/2018/06/06/kareem-hunt-punches-man-ohio-resort-kansas-city-chiefs-report/

No injury, no arrest, but it was 2 incidents within 6 months, and that may have factored into the suspension.

 

20 minutes ago, smuvtalker said:

I really, really want to see this video now.  Noone seems to have a copy. In due time I suppose.  

 

In relation to football, losing Kamara for a quarter, half or longer is going to be a huge blow, but I think the impact will be significantly greater because of several factors.  The uncertainty at the QB position, regardless of who is back there. The Saints best bet IMO is to have Winston win the job and start the season as QB1.  They're going to need Kamara there as not just the dynamic back that he is, but I think his blocking abilities are underrated, and him being that safety valve for dumpoffs and screen passes is crucial. Plus, they still don't know if their number one WR will even be there come opening day.  

 

Agree.  And yeah, the video will surface eventually.

4 hours ago, MarkyMannn said:

Anyone know what that shirt patch is?

 

"Dead Head" with a lightening bolt.

Shows up better in this one:

 

It's not the usual Grateful Dead "deadhead" type logo.  Unclear what it's supporting.

[Victory Formation]

12 hours ago, bigduke6 said:

well if Kamara is guilty of all this,  i hope he has to pay out his ass to make it go away,   money and the loss of it is the only thing alot of people understand as punishment these days.   hit him hard,  make him rethink his life choices.

It’s bad character, no doubt. Did he cross an unforgivable line though? No. Punk kids get into fights because of pride, it’s much easier to just walk away. 
 

I will say this though, I do see an opportunity to get him on the cheap after this. He is an elite play maker and I believe in second chances. Kamara would supercharge that RB position and Singletary would be the perfect backup to him.

 

But once again, shame on him for acting the way he did, but like most young men his age, he didn’t see the long play, but I think after getting suspended he’ll learn quickly. People mature and change over time.

[vincec]

10 hours ago, smuvtalker said:

Good point.  You and Hap both reminded me that even if the state does in fact pursue charges against Kamara, and even if they go for more serious charges, it's all moot if the witness doesn't cooperate.  And if Kamara throws the right amount of money at the guy, I would imagine he'd most certainly not cooperate.   Again, I haven't seen the video, but if it's bad as described, I can see the league suspending Kamara to the tune of, my guess would be 4 games minimum, if he's lucky.

I can't tell if that's swelling or just natural fluffiness.

I’m not a lawyer, but I’m pretty sure that it’s not legal to pay somebody to not testify in a criminal inquiry. Maybe he could pay the victim to make a civil lawsuit go away, but not a crime. And even if the victim doesn’t testify, what more evidence do you need than the video and sworn statement they already have?

Edited February 9, 2022 by vincec

[Process]

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Hunt got 8 games for what appears to be substantially less

 

Hunt got suspended for what ray rice did, not his foot tap

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, vincec said:

I’m not a lawyer, but I’m pretty sure that it’s not legal to pay somebody to not testify in a criminal inquiry. Maybe he could pay the victim to make a civil lawsuit go away, but not a crime. And even if the victim doesn’t testify, what more evidence do you need than the video and sworn statement they already have?

 

Of course it's not legal to do that!  You pay them to privately settle a civil claim with a clause that neither side will discuss the matter publicly.  If they then decide not to pursue a criminal complaint, I'm sure that is only a coincidence.  And if they move and leave no forwarding address so they can't be contacted, I'm sure that's an oversight.  Remember the Greg Hardy case?

 

I dunno, not having seen the video, but without a victim to cross-examine I'm pretty sure a good defense lawyer would find all sorts of holes to create reasonable doubt.

[vincec]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Of course it's not legal to do that!  You pay them to privately settle a civil claim with a clause that neither side will discuss the matter publicly.  If they then decide not to pursue a criminal complaint, I'm sure that is only a coincidence.  And if they move and leave no forwarding address so they can't be contacted, I'm sure that's an oversight.  Remember the Greg Hardy case?

 

I dunno, not having seen the video, but without a victim to cross-examine I'm pretty sure a good defense lawyer would find all sorts of holes to create reasonable doubt.

The DA decides whether to pursue a criminal complaint, not the victim. And the victim can be subpoenaed to testify if the DA wants, although if he is unwilling it may not be desirable.