Brian Flores suing NFL, NY Giants, Dolphins, Broncos.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

34 minutes ago, Augie said:

This is interesting and makes me curious. Why would he do the first interview but not a second? Did he not like what he heard? I have to think a second interview is not “a sham”.  But what do I know?  Any insight there? 

 

This is an opinion piece on it. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/why-demeco-ryans-was-smart-and-brave-to-turn-down-interview-no-2-with-the-vikings/ar-AATpzSC

Basically, the author's take on it is that Vikes new GM Kwesi Adofo-Mensah has strong ties to Jim Harbaugh from the 49ers days, and that perhaps he had no real chance at the job and was being asked to interview as a Rooney Rule box checking exercise.

 

I'm not clear on at what point Ryans turned down Interview #2, but the Vikings interviewed Giants DC Patrick Graham yesterday, so they have fulfilled the NFL's rule and it's between them and their consciences if Graham actually had a chance at the job.

[ToGoGo]

1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

No, they hire Black HCs to bad teams as "bridge" coaches.  I read it in the shout box. Like how Denver hired Vance Joseph to "bridge" to Vic Fangio.

 

Interesting. 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

6 hours ago, Mango said:

I think the league has a real problem with minority representation at all levels. Black coaches are given a much shorter leash and are required to have more success to maintain job security. The Rooney rule may not be the best solution, but you can't just waive it away. The sport is and has been dominated by BIPOC for quite some time, but the executives continue to be oddly pale. Until you have a better replacement other than "JuSt HiRe ThE bEsT cAnDiDaTe" it is the only real tool in the tool box.

Flores may very well be right here and I am probably side with him. 

But in court this will be a tough one. Unless Schoen put in writing somewhere that they wanted to give multiple interviews to Flores and Frazier in order to give the perception of fairness, he will have a tough time winning this. If Schoen did put it in writing his career as a GM is over before it started. 

I view things like this sort of like redlining. It is most certainly illegal. And it most certainly continues to happen. But the burden of proof needed to prosecute is so astronomically high/avoidable by companies/lenders that it is really difficult to move on legally. 

I think best justification for the rule is in what we've seen in the "follow the leader" approach to hiring coaches. Sean McVeigh took on a team that had gotten first round draft picks year after year and did nothing under Jeff Fisher and even now needed to mortgage the future to get to the big dance dance again. And yet, everyone who shared a cup of coffee with the guy has suddenly been a hot candidate.

 

Owners bring in GMs from successful organizations. These GMs know they are on the hot seat and without any prodding will look for the same model from where they left (see Schoen and Daboll), which is fine...but it keeps people looking for the same surface similarities and what they are comfortable with. They might not see a something new until they are forced to which is the idea behind the rule.

 

Does it work in actuality? Can it work? Those are different questions than "should it be attempted?" 

[The Wiz]

So I'm curious about what would happen if the Rooney Rule worked against the NFL?

 

I don't know the details of the rule to the letter and haven't read through the whole thing but was curious what would happen if every minority coach declined an interview for a coaching position?

 

The only thing I have read is that the organization is required to interview a minority for positions.  If they are unable to interview, is there a penalty?  Are they forced to ask every minority candidate until one finally accepts?  And what happens when someone accepts and the person is a assistant S&T coach going for a HC job and they don't get it?  Same outcome of saying racism?

 

Just a lot of questions that are likely going to come up that won't be answered.

[TH3]

5 hours ago, krf139 said:

2 questions:

 

1. Why did Flores continue working for the Dolphins after Ross allegedly bribed him to lose games? Wouldn’t the courageous thing to do be to resign on the spot and not wait until you were fired to bring this to light?

2. Why did he bother going on the Giants interview if he thought he had no shot?

I love this stuff..‘Murcia Eff Ya…..Instead of opining the on the crap show of poor treatment, discrimination and tokenism Flores and others have had to endure…..Let’s question his story…..Awesome…

 

And people wonder why Flores hit the wall and broke out the flamethrower….he’s had enough because he has actual dignity as a human being

[CaliBills]

My take. right or wrong.

 

Rooney rule was put in place so minorities could have a chance to at least interview.  Because that was the agreement about 20 years ago. I do think the initial reasoning was on good intentions but over time, not so much.

 

Now did/do the Owners and GM's  go in a  head coaching search completely blind and have no idea before hand who they would want. Hell no.  They already have a list of coaches, white/black/mixed that they want to interview.  Then they have to go through the motions to interview minorities to fulfill the rule if their original list did not have a minority.  

 

The Rooney Rule, in my opinion, is almost degrading at this point to both parties.  Teams are just going through the motion as I mentioned and as Flores mentioned.  

 

Maybe conduct interviews randomly through a third party that sets time/days and the interviewee is blacked out or an avatar placed over them in video chat and voice is distorted for the initial screening.   And then based on that interview, the ones selected get to meet face to face.  I know it sounds crazy but it might be the only real chance that race or age isn't a factor. 

 

Imagine if this was every job out there.  Companies would do what the NFL is doing and just having it as a check box. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 3, 2022 by CaliBills

[Andy1]

Regardless of the merits of the class action lawsuit, this was a misstep by Joe Schoen or someone else in the Giants ownership. Even if he wanted Daboll, he/they should have kept quiet and let the interviews happen before saying anything to anyone. Daboll should be hoping that he can keep his job and that his contract isn’t terminated by the NFL. Will be interesting to see if the NFL punishes the Giants in any way. Might be a rough way for Daboll to start his coaching career if he gets embroiled in this legal mess. 

[TBBills]

Brady "I am about to set the world on fire with my retirement "

 

Brian Flores "Hold my beer"

[Starr Almighty]

[Hapless Bills Fan]

40 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

So I'm curious about what would happen if the Rooney Rule worked against the NFL?

 

I don't know the details of the rule to the letter and haven't read through the whole thing but was curious what would happen if every minority coach declined an interview for a coaching position?

 

The only thing I have read is that the organization is required to interview a minority for positions.  If they are unable to interview, is there a penalty?  Are they forced to ask every minority candidate until one finally accepts?  And what happens when someone accepts and the person is a assistant S&T coach going for a HC job and they don't get it?  Same outcome of saying racism?

 

Just a lot of questions that are likely going to come up that won't be answered.

 

To date it has not been an issue - there has been no shortage of guys willing to interview on the hope of a chance.

 

Even where Demeko Ryans turned the Vikes down, Giants DC Patrick Graham flew on in for the interview

[Doc]

27 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

My take. right or wrong.

 

Rooney rule was put in place so minorities could have a chance to at least interview.  Because that was the agreement about 20 years ago. I do think the initial reasoning was on good intentions but over time, not so much.

 

Now did/do the Owners and GM's  go in a  head coaching search completely blind and have no idea before hand who they would want. Hell no.  They already have a list of coaches, white/black/mixed that they want to interview.  Then they have to go through the motions to interview minorities to fulfill the rule if their original list did not have a minority.  

 

The Rooney Rule, in my opinion, is almost degrading at this point to both parties.  Teams are just going through the motion as I mentioned and as Flores mentioned.  

 

Maybe conduct interviews randomly through a third party that sets time/days and the interviewee is blacked out or an avatar placed over them in video chat and voice is distorted for the initial screening.   And then based on that interview, the ones selected get to meet face to face.  I know it sounds crazy but it might be the only real chance that race or age isn't a factor. 

 

Imagine if this was every job out there.  Companies would do what the NFL is doing and just having it as a check box.

 

If a minority coach feels it's degrading, don't accept an interview.  As you said, the rule was meant to get them interviews.  There was no guarantee of getting the job.

 

I just don't see what the solution is.  Get rid of the rule?  Force teams to hire minority coaches?

 

26 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

Regardless of the merits of the class action lawsuit, this was a misstep by Joe Schoen or someone else in the Giants ownership. Even if he wanted Daboll, he/they should have kept quiet and let the interviews happen before saying anything to anyone. Daboll should be hoping that he can keep his job and that his contract isn’t terminated by the NFL. Will be interesting to see if the NFL punishes the Giants in any way. Might be a rough way for Daboll to start his coaching career if he gets embroiled in this legal mess. 

 

I don't think Schoen did anything wrong.  Daboll was the target all along.  He knew him well, the Bills offense was great and they needed to fix Jones, on whom they took 6th overall, and Daboll fixed Josh.  There's no racism involved: they just had to fulfill league rules by interviewing Flores.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

33 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

My take. right or wrong.

 

Rooney rule was put in place so minorities could have a chance to at least interview.  Because that was the agreement about 20 years ago. I do think the initial reasoning was on good intentions but over time, not so much.

 

Now did/do the Owners and GM's  go in a  head coaching search completely blind and have no idea before hand who they would want. Hell no.  They already have a list of coaches, white/black/mixed that they want to interview.  Then they have to go through the motions to interview minorities to fulfill the rule if their original list did not have a minority.  

 

The Rooney Rule, in my opinion, is almost degrading at this point to both parties.  Teams are just going through the motion as I mentioned and as Flores mentioned.  

 

Maybe conduct interviews randomly through a third party that sets time/days and the interviewee is blacked out or an avatar placed over them in video chat and voice is distorted for the initial screening.   And then based on that interview, the ones selected get to meet face to face.  I know it sounds crazy but it might be the only real chance that race or age isn't a factor. 

 

Imagine if this was every job out there.  Companies would do what the NFL is doing and just having it as a check box. 

 

 

 

 

 

i also think people misunderstand a key purpose of the rule— it’s to get minority coaches in the door to

help build relationships and expand networks.

 

The problem with the NFL is systemic cronyism. People just hire the people they know. It’s why guys like Doug Marrone and Pat Shurmur bounce around the NFL. It’s why the Bills hire a bunch of Carolina guys. Its why every head coach hires his son. 
 

The rooney rule was designed to help minority coaches develop relationships and hopefully break up the usual suspects. 
 

But, I agree with you that the spirit and application of the rule need to be looked at closer. 

 

[Andy1]

While Daboll may have been the target all along, the Giants should have kept their mouths shut to prevent any leaks. Then there would be no BB text and no issue.

 

I still think Flores is a good coach though and should be hired.

[The Wiz]

24 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

To date it has not been an issue - there has been no shortage of guys willing to interview on the hope of a chance.

 

Even where Demeko Ryans turned the Vikes down, Giants DC Patrick Graham flew on in for the interview

Was really meant more as a hypothetical doomsday scenario question but I agree.  I don't think it will ever happen.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

28 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

If a minority coach feels it's degrading, don't accept an interview.  As you said, the rule was meant to get them interviews.  There was no guarantee of getting the job.

 

I just don't see what the solution is.  Get rid of the rule?  Force teams to hire minority coaches?

 

 

I don't think Schoen did anything wrong.  Daboll was the target all along.  He knew him well, the Bills offense was great and they needed to fix Jones, on whom they took 6th overall, and Daboll fixed Josh.  There's no racism involved: they just had to fulfill league rules by interviewing Flores.

 

Agree Doc 

 

Daboll would help Jones so much. Flores we heard about didn't get along with Tua. Tua needs a patience coach to help development him. Flores as of right now history by Tua is not good. 

[Governor]

1 hour ago, Andy1 said:

Regardless of the merits of the class action lawsuit, this was a misstep by Joe Schoen or someone else in the Giants ownership. Even if he wanted Daboll, he/they should have kept quiet and let the interviews happen before saying anything to anyone. Daboll should be hoping that he can keep his job and that his contract isn’t terminated by the NFL. Will be interesting to see if the NFL punishes the Giants in any way. Might be a rough way for Daboll to start his coaching career if he gets embroiled in this legal mess. 

Yup. Schoen screwed up real bad and Daboll looks like a huge douche.

[Chaos]

When all is said and done, this lawsuit will be viewed as the sham. 

[djp14150]

4 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I don’t speak to old bossss from 5+ years ago. Maybe i’m the exception.

.

 

That’s not how it is in the NFL which is a small career field.

 

think about it this way…

 

in Hollywood when making tv shows and movies. You build connections from past work

in the military on changing assignments over a career of 15+ years if you are in the same small specialty area your paths cross again.

in the music industry to cross paths in production, writing, as well as performing in employment.

 

in professional careers you keep former  contacts in networking.

 

the NFL coaching is a small club.  By keeping contacts is how you get jobs over the course of a career since you are usually fired with the head coach gets fired even if you weren’t at fault.

 

in the NFL look at coaching trees and successful coaches tend to branch out where firmer coaches go to other teams advancing their career.

[djp14150]

3 hours ago, Fan in San Diego said:

Everybody knew that Brian Daboll was the front runner when Joe Schoen was hired as the GM. Maybe something to the effect that it's Daboll's job to lose and Flores would have to walk on water to get the job. That kind of stuff happens all the time. It's not racism. Schoen had his favorite from the get go.

 

 

I agree.  When he was hired as GM by the giants Daboll was the favorite.  Daboll on his own worked earned a head coaching opportunity so it wasn’t a reach to hire him.

 

this Rooney rule have to interview sham interviews have happened many times over the years where you have a retiring head coach or a successful interim coach.

 

thus was not a good example to try and make a stand on.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

24 minutes ago, Governor said:

Yup. Schoen screwed up real bad and Daboll looks like a huge douche.

 

The Giants could have Thomas McGaughey ST (looking at still with Giants) , Pep Hamilton (possibly looking at as OC) interviewing others as well, DC Patrick Graham all possible minorities . Possibility 

[Best Williams Available]

3 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

Whoa. The dolphins might be ****** if there’s witnesses to the $100k offer.

 

Id have to imagine they lose at least one 1st round pick, if not more.

 

Same for the Browns if Hue Jackson’s accusations are true (and he also claims to have proof). They should actually be punished even harsher because their tank actually worked. They got two 1st overall picks, and one of them could be a super star (Myles Garrett).

To the people who question Flores’ credibility or lack of integrity for not coming forward about the bribe to suck when it happened—it seems apparent that at least 2 and potentially many franchises suck on purpose to get better draft picks. The difference between choosing #1 vs 4 is huge. “Suck for luck” etc. I mean the Sabres did this openly. I’m not going to use that as a strike against Flores’ credibility in general, because it sounds as though it may be commonplace, especially in badly run front offices.

[Nextmanup]

7 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Texans or Saints would be smart to hire Flores.  I think most players would run through a brick wall for him, especially after taking on the NFL.  

I would imagine his NFL coaching career is finished, which is a big part of what makes his actions so brave.

 

 

[djp14150]

3 hours ago, Augie said:

This is interesting and makes me curious. Why would he do the first interview but not a second? Did he not like what he heard? I have to think a second interview is not “a sham”.  But what do I know?  Any insight there? 

 

Many coaches who want a promotion back away from offers if they didn’t like it.  I’m farther in my career. Just because I got offered a better paying job means I’ll take it.  There is more to it.

 

on the surface with the Vikings you can have sone potential issues like

1 a QB keaving thus big hole at QB and not in a great draft position to take a new QB or in a good position to draft one.

2 mismatch in team goals and philosophy. Like if he is a DC who say uses a 4-3 in defense goes to a team designed around a 3-4 woukd take longer to build up and change things.

3 cap situation on team over the next few years.  There are better jobs to have where a team drafted high and have some core pieces filled or has a ton of draft capital to improve a team and they are a team with cap space.

[Doc]

36 minutes ago, Governor said:

Yup. Schoen screwed up real bad and Daboll looks like a huge douche.

 

Depends on whether Schoen leaked it.  And how does Daboll look like a douche?

 

And Belicheat couldn't figure out which Brian he was texting?  LOL!

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

 

Many coaches who want a promotion back away from offers if they didn’t like it.  I’m farther in my career. Just because I got offered a better paying job means I’ll take it.  There is more to it.

 

on the surface with the Vikings you can have sone potential issues like

1 a QB keaving thus big hole at QB and not in a great draft position to take a new QB or in a good position to draft one.

2 mismatch in team goals and philosophy. Like if he is a DC who say uses a 4-3 in defense goes to a team designed around a 3-4 woukd take longer to build up and change things.

3 cap situation on team over the next few years.  There are better jobs to have where a team drafted high and have some core pieces filled or has a ton of draft capital to improve a team and they are a team with cap space.

 

He would/should have known ALL that before interview #1. Something changed. Interviews go both ways. 

[djp14150]

3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Augie, Harbaugh's name is being tossed around for that job. Maybe DeMeco thinks that a 2nd interview would be a waste of his time. Harbaugh really is qualified, wouldn't you say? Seriously.

But as I said, there really is no holding back a man like Ryans. He will get his chance. Things will happen for him and many other deserving people. 

That said, you can't start at the top. Not when billions of dollars are involved. That is why I made the point about rewarding teams who hire minority OCs and DCs. And btw, I did not think of this. Another poster in this thread did.

rewarding hiring minorities…should the development be worth more than just hiring? Right now teams who lose their coaches get comped so there is incentive to develop them

 

look at starting level jr coaching jobs, mid level position coaches, coordinators.  More climb the ladder the more that will get to head coaches.

 

 

[SCBills]

At some point, someone saying this is racism, will tell us which part of Flores allegations are racist, correct? 
 

I see an allegedly sketch owner in Miami and two examples of teams going through the motions of the league mandated Rooney Rule.  

[buffaloboyinATL]

This is about to become one of the biggest NFL stories of our lifetime. Not only because they are paying coaches to lose games but because they may be intentionally hiring black coaches to check a box and lose games at the same time.  The implications are massive.

 

Any coach, player, staff member etc, who feels as though they were put in a situation beyond their control, which subsequently potentially ruined their career, will have a case to sue.  This is just beginning. 

[djp14150]

Just now, Augie said:

 

He would/should have known ALL that before interview #1. Something changed. Interviews go both ways. 

You don’t know things until the first interview of what system they have and how things are run.  Some teams are ass backwards.

 

it happens in the real world.  You apply for a job in your field. In the first interview you should be asking them how things are runand if you really fit there or does the job title not exactly match what you want to do.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

50 minutes ago, Governor said:

Yup. Schoen screwed up real bad and Daboll looks like a huge douche.

 

We have no idea whether Schoen screwed up or not.  He has no particular ties to Belichick that I know of.  He worked for the Panthers, then Dolphins.  Why would anyone thing Schoen would be reaching out to Bill Belicheck to give him the inside track?

 

Until/unless someone comes up with info about exactly what was said to Belichick by whom, I think you mis-spelled "my inside info turned out to be wrong and I look like ........."

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Depends on whether Schoen leaked it.  And how does Daboll look like a douche?

 

And Belicheat couldn't figure out which Brian he was texting?  LOL!

 

Why would Schoen leak info to Belichick?  He has no ties to him that we know of.  And of course Daboll doesn't look like a douche, except to a guy who spent his last week here claiming he had inside info that Flores was their guy from a "friend" who works for Mara and posting little sneers at Dabs.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We have no idea whether Schoen screwed up or not.  He has no particular ties to Belichick that I know of.  He worked for the Panthers, then Dolphins.  Why would anyone thing Schoen would be reaching out to Bill Belicheck to give him the inside track?

 

Until/unless someone comes up with info about exactly what was said to Belichick by whom, I think you mis-spelled "my inside info turned out to be wrong and I look like ........."

 

 

Why would Schoen leak info to Belichick?  He has no ties to him that we know of.  And of course Daboll doesn't look like a douche.

 

No clue.  Just leaving it out there as a possibility.

 

As for the (alleged) inside info above that Gov provided, I wonder if Mara was saying all that stuff because Belicheat told him that he spilled the beans to Flores about Daboll?  And then changed his mind back.

[reddogblitz]

26 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

That’s not how it is in the NFL which is a small career field.

 

think about it this way…

 

in Hollywood when making tv shows and movies. You build connections from past work

in the military on changing assignments over a career of 15+ years if you are in the same small specialty area your paths cross again.

in the music industry to cross paths in production, writing, as well as performing in employment.

 

in professional careers you keep former  contacts in networking.

 

the NFL coaching is a small club.  By keeping contacts is how you get jobs over the course of a career since you are usually fired with the head coach gets fired even if you weren’t at fault.

 

in the NFL look at coaching trees and successful coaches tend to branch out where firmer coaches go to other teams advancing their career.

 

This is how the work world works everywhere.  I worked 38 years in the computer field.   The very first job I got I didn't know anyone there. Just got my way in somehow.  Every job after that I knew someone there and they knew of me already from working in the same field.  Why should we expect football coaching to be different?   We may not like and its not fair, but it just is.  Of course no one should discriminate on the basis of race, but they're gonna hire who they want and its probably someone they know and have worked with cuz that's how it works.

[Governor]

14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We have no idea whether Schoen screwed up or not.  He has no particular ties to Belichick that I know of.  He worked for the Panthers, then Dolphins.  Why would anyone thing Schoen would be reaching out to Bill Belicheck to give him the inside track?

 

Until/unless someone comes up with info about exactly what was said to Belichick by whom, I think you mis-spelled "my inside info turned out to be wrong and I look like ........."

 

 

 

 

Why would Schoen leak info to Belichick?  He has no ties to him that we know of.  And of course Daboll doesn't look like a douche, except to a guy who spent his last week here claiming he had inside info that Flores was their guy from a "friend" who works for Mara and posting little sneers at Dabs.

According to the Giants response, I ended up being exactly right until the last minute……or we were fed this information and it was a total sham and Daboll was the guy days before.

 

Either way, it looks pretty bad now. 
 

Why would communications have to leak from Schoen? Are you implying the Schoen 2 days on the job was running a tight ship, , Beane-like wizardry, that we so often hear about around here?

 

Schoen is a puppet. A puppet that’s now caught in the middle of a terrible mess.

Edited February 3, 2022 by Governor

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Governor said:

According to the Giants response, I ended up being exactly right until the last minute……or we were fed this information and it was a total sham and Daboll was the guy days before.

 

OK, so make up your mind. 

Either the Giants response is true and correct - in which case Schoen does not look bad and Flores suit is a sham

or

Your info was very wrong and Daboll was the leading candidate as soon as Schoen was hired - in which case Schoen still doesn't necessarily look bad, because we see from past history (like McDaniel and the Colts) and even this season (Leftwich and the Jaguars) that the leading candidate doesn't always wind up being hired, in which case the job goes to the best remaining guy with his hat in the ring.

 

Pick one

 

In neither case is it clear that Schoen looks bad or is a puppet, and calling Daboll a douche just looks like your nose is out of joint from bad info.

 

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, Governor said:

According to the Giants response, I ended up being exactly right until the last minute……or we were fed this information and it was a total sham and Daboll was the guy days before.

 

Either way, it looks pretty bad now. 
 

Why would communications have to leak from Schoen? Are you implying the Schoen 2 days on the job was running a tight ship, , Beane-like wizardry, that we so often hear about around here?

 

Schoen is a puppet. A puppet that’s now caught in the middle of a terrible mess.

 

The more obvious leak would be from John Mara.  The captain of the ship.  He's friends with Belicheat, who would have informed him of his screw-up and then Mara suddenly wanting to desperately hire Flores.

[Governor]

36 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OK, so make up your mind. 

Either the Giants response is true and correct - in which case Schoen does not look bad and Flores suit is a sham

or

Your info was very wrong and Daboll was the leading candidate as soon as Schoen was hired - in which case Schoen still doesn't necessarily look bad, because we see from past history (like McDaniel and the Colts) and even this season (Leftwich and the Jaguars) that the leading candidate doesn't always wind up being hired, in which case the job goes to the best remaining guy with his hat in the ring.

 

Pick one

 

In neither case is it clear that Schoen looks bad or is a puppet, and calling Daboll a douche just looks like your nose is out of joint from bad info.

 

You’re making a bunch of assumptions that might not be true.

 

We know that Flores was in East  Rutherford for interview 2 the morning I last posted. That was reported locally, and on NFL Network later in the day. 
 

Did he actually have that 2nd interview? Is it mentioned in the suit? Did he find out that morning that the fix was in for Daboll? Why would Schoen have a second interview then? Did he not show up to that interview? Is that what made Flores go ballistic?

 

Did Flores come all the way here knowing the job was already gone and was just setting the trap for his suit?

34 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

The more obvious leak would be from John Mara.  The captain of the ship.  He's friends with Belicheat, who would have informed him of his screw-up and then Mara suddenly wanting to desperately hire Flores.

Of course. Most Bills fans don’t understand how the Giants operate. All major decisions are made by Mara.

Edited February 3, 2022 by Governor

[krf139]

2 hours ago, TH3 said:

I love this stuff..‘Murcia Eff Ya…..Instead of opining the on the crap show of poor treatment, discrimination and tokenism Flores and others have had to endure…..Let’s question his story…..Awesome…

 

And people wonder why Flores hit the wall and broke out the flamethrower….he’s had enough because he has actual dignity as a human being

Sorry - I refuse to stomach hearing people call someone “courageous” who passed up opportunities to show true courage. If he really had principle, he would have walked out on Ross on the spot when he was bribed. That has nothing to do with discrimination; only what I believe to be a lack of conviction on his part. You have a different opinion and that’s fine, but mine should be respected as well 

[BillsShredder83]

3 hours ago, CaliBills said:

My take. right or wrong.

 

Rooney rule was put in place so minorities could have a chance to at least interview.  Because that was the agreement about 20 years ago. I do think the initial reasoning was on good intentions but over time, not so much.

 

Now did/do the Owners and GM's  go in a  head coaching search completely blind and have no idea before hand who they would want. Hell no.  They already have a list of coaches, white/black/mixed that they want to interview.  Then they have to go through the motions to interview minorities to fulfill the rule if their original list did not have a minority.  

 

The Rooney Rule, in my opinion, is almost degrading at this point to both parties.  Teams are just going through the motion as I mentioned and as Flores mentioned.  

 

Maybe conduct interviews randomly through a third party that sets time/days and the interviewee is blacked out or an avatar placed over them in video chat and voice is distorted for the initial screening.   And then based on that interview, the ones selected get to meet face to face.  I know it sounds crazy but it might be the only real chance that race or age isn't a factor. 

 

Imagine if this was every job out there.  Companies would do what the NFL is doing and just having it as a check box. 

 

 

 

 

 

would not work simply by the fact that a coaches previous body of work definitely weighs in heavily.  not to mention teams could still figure it out easily. they know whos avail or not. once they start hearing what scheme they run, answer questions about tendencies the veil is lifted.

 

teams would do everything in their power to figure out who they were speaking with.... so the new thing would just be, once they figured out i was black, based on the questions i was asked, they ruled me out. nice idea though really!

2 hours ago, Governor said:

Yup. Schoen screwed up real bad and Daboll looks like a huge douche.

why does daboll look bad?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Governor said:

You’re making a bunch of assumptions that might not be true.

 

We know that Flores was in East  Rutherford for interview 2 the morning I last posted. That was reported locally, and on NFL Network later in the day. 
 

Did he actually have that 2nd interview? Is it mentioned in the suit? Did he find out that morning that the fix was in for Daboll? Why would Schoen have a second interview then? Did he not show up to that interview? Is that what made Flores go ballistic?

 

Did Flores come all the way here knowing the job was already gone and was just setting the trap for his suit?

 

All of this is covered in links up thread - the supposed timing of Belichick's tweets, Daboll's 2nd interview, and Flores 2nd interview.

No assumptions

 

 

[Governor]

20 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

would not work simply by the fact that a coaches previous body of work definitely weighs in heavily.  not to mention teams could still figure it out easily. they know whos avail or not. once they start hearing what scheme they run, answer questions about tendencies the veil is lifted.

 

teams would do everything in their power to figure out who they were speaking with.... so the new thing would just be, once they figured out i was black, based on the questions i was asked, they ruled me out. nice idea though really!

why does daboll look bad?

He looks like an entitled guy that didn’t tip his friend off that the fix was in and the job was already gone before he traveled back to NJ for a 2nd interview. Flores got the news by mistake text.

 

People are pretty mad here. It’s definitely not a good start for Daboll and Schoen when their initial goal was to build a new culture and remove the organizational dysfunction that’s gone on for years here in NJ.

 

The whole thing smells bad and has people saying “same old giants.”

 

Wait until fans find out Daboll doesn’t have a running game. Oh boy.

 

Running game and defense is everything to these people. He’ll be 1 and done here.

 

 

Edited February 3, 2022 by Governor