QLBillsFan Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yep, no guarantee that Flores would be the better coach for the job. But he was more qualified. And for that he at least deserved a legitimate chance if he was being interviewed. Sham-interviewing him after what had happened in Miami was ugly. If you are going to just hire your guy either way..........interview some people who know they are just getting Rooney Rule looks.........not the more proven, local guy. There were plenty of excuses to hire Daboll without doing that. More qualified based on his 24-25 record and inability to develop a competitive offense? In a league being dominated by offensive play. A coach who agreed with the front office that Tua was a better option than Herbert. Who was given a chance by the Dolphins owner and black GM Grier. The Giants have stated he was in serious consideration. They chose instead an OC that was highly sought after. Who built an offensive and developed a QB who crushed the more qualified Flores. More proven ? Leftwich has demanded he bring in his own GM with the Jags. His colleague who happens to be black. Smart move but similar to JS & BD they have a great relationship. Isn’t that just smart all around. No matter ethnicity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Bill Belichick really “texted the wrong person” to ruin Tom Brady’s retirement announcement. Chess, not Checkers. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: You finished 8-1 and missed the playoffs by a game.. and the season at 9-8. Again I can’t think of 1 coach fired after 3 winning seasons. No, but it he also hasn't made the playoffs over that same stretch either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 16 minutes ago, FireChans said: It's very very rare for an HC to get fired from his current job and immediately walk into another HC job. Even BB had to wait 5 years in-between Cleveland and NE. Caroll had to go to USC. Harbaugh went to Michigan. Andy Reid did. But Andy went to the playoff 9 times, went to the Superbowl, 4 straight conference championships. etc. Flores couldn't hold a candle to Andy Reid. Adam Gase did most recently unless I'm forgetting someone. Gase can't hold a candle to Flores.🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said: That is what is perplexing. He would have been a hot DC commodity with all these staff changes Yes a very respected DC at age 40. Who clearly would have gotten another chance fairly soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Warcodered said: While it does kind of seem like the guy has been getting ***** over here lately, I don't know if he can really prove discrimination with the Giants hiring Daboll, the guy was one of the hottest picks to get HC job the last two years. Because they picked him before they even gave Flores a chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Belichik ain’t congratulating Daboll unless he got the job. That’s a pretty damning text in regards to a sham interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Wah wah, my boss didn't like me because i didn't do what i was told. Guess what , thats jobs everywhere, you piss off the boss and you want be around long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: IF the text from BB was 3 days before Flores was to interview, at best it was a violation of the Rooney rule.. I am more concerned with the allegations he levied against the Dolphins Owner. I’m not sure BB sending a text message violates anything...People can feel any way they wanna feel about that disclosure...But the Rooney Rule only requires that a team interviews two minority candidates...The Giants met that obligation, regardless of when they settled on their final decision... Edited February 2, 2022 by JaCrispy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 16 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Gracefully? Only a moron owner like Ross would fire a HC that had the team going in the right direction. Mind you I’m glad I want Miami to join the Jets in futility and just be my Pats and the Bills fighting for the division.. but Flores was hosed and everyone knew it. I have a feeling Ross and the Dolphins brain trust really think Tua is the answer at QB. Flores and most people who know football know he is not. It was pretty clear Flores was not all aboard the Tua train. Winning in the division is also key. I know Flores bedeviled the Pats (I'll miss that) but he was awful against the Bills (I'll miss that too). Haven't looked up Dolphins v Jets So if I am an owner and think you can't beat the lead team in the division, can't coach up all the high draft picks my GM keeps drafting, and screwed up developing my QB then yeah, I would make a change. Sounds a lot like the Owner and GM are in cahoots and the coach was not on board, even though I agree with Flores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 18 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Can you name 1 HC who was ever fired after having back to back winning seasons? I know the Lions fired a coach after 1 winning season and replaced him with Patricia.. (dumbest move ever.. and to Flores point a black coach who never got another chance ) Bro they started out the season 1-7 and he basically treated their young QB and top 5 pick like *****. They also were woeful in their do-or-die games. The legend of Brian Flores continues to grow. AFAIK, Flores isn't claiming he was fired because of racism anyway, so who cares? 9 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said: That is what is perplexing. He would have been a hot DC commodity with all these staff changes He's mad he didn't get the job he wanted. Vance Joseph went back to coaching defenses. Gary Kubiak went back to OC. McDaniels crawled back to OC and didn't get another chance at HC for 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryS Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said: More qualified based on his 24-25 record and inability to develop a competitive offense? In a league being dominated by offensive play. A coach who agreed with the front office that Tua was a better option than Herbert. Who was given a chance by the Dolphins owner and black GM Grier. Yes, Flores is more qualified for head coach. He's had decent success as a head coach relative to his team's talent level. Daboll has no head coaching experience, and the coordinator skillset is different from the head coach skillset. Additionally, even Daboll's coordinator resume is a mixed bag, as he's been fired a few times from offensive coordinator after producing lowly-ranked offenses before finally landing in Buffalo with Josh Allen. To be clear, I do think Daboll is a good coordinator and I would've given him the head coaching job after 13 seconds happened to McDermott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: It simply comes down to the GM hiring who he's most comfortable with. Which is reality and everyone knows that this is usually how it works, regardless of race. But when some f*cking HC on another team, who is also white, knows who the HC of the Giants is going to be before they've even had interviews that is a really, really bad look...........even if it ultimately is just a longtime friend in Mara consulting with Belichick. If Belichick actually heard from Mara himself that they intended to offer the job to Daboll before they interviewed Flores, that's a horrible look If Mara called Belichick and said "we interviewed Daboll today and we think he might be our guy, what can you tell us about his (something something)?" and Belichick is over-enthusiastic in how he interprets that and runs off to congratulate Daboll (but gets lost in the electrons along the way), 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 24 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Gracefully? Only a moron owner like Ross would fire a HC that had the team going in the right direction. Mind you I’m glad I want Miami to join the Jets in futility and just be my Pats and the Bills fighting for the division.. but Flores was hosed and everyone knew it. That’s all true except he could not get along with his GM. Or keep offensive coordinators or develop his QB of choice Tua. D Culley got screwed, Flores not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Because they picked him before they even gave Flores a chance There's plenty of people that didn't get hired because someone else was picked before them that doesn't = discrimination. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: The Bills didn't interview a minority candidate for OC? Yes they did, but to our knowledge, neither were notified that Dorsey got the job before they interviewed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 20 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: You finished 8-1 and missed the playoffs by a game.. and the season at 9-8. Again I can’t think of 1 coach fired after 3 winning seasons. They had a worse record then they did the year prior though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryS Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Wah wah, my boss didn't like me because i didn't do what i was told. Guess what , thats jobs everywhere, you piss off the boss and you want be around long. What if your boss asked you to cheat or steal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 minute ago, BillnutinHouston said: Yes they did, but to our knowledge, neither were notified that Dorsey got the job before they interviewed. So if they had offered him the job beforehand but the Bills kept it secret, all good--no lawsuit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said: I have a feeling Ross and the Dolphins brain trust really think Tua is the answer at QB. Flores and most people who know football know he is not. It was pretty clear Flores was not all aboard the Tua train. Winning in the division is also key. I know Flores bedeviled the Pats (I'll miss that) but he was awful against the Bills (I'll miss that too). Haven't looked up Dolphins v Jets So if I am an owner and think you can't beat the lead team in the division, can't coach up all the high draft picks my GM keeps drafting, and screwed up developing my QB then yeah, I would make a change. Sounds a lot like the Owner and GM are in cahoots and the coach was not on board, even though I agree with Flores. It has been documented that Flores agreed to Tua over Herbert. Then soured on him because he’s not very good and prefers golfing on days he could be working on his game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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