So it's the Washington Commanders now?

[corta765]

1 hour ago, djp14150 said:

 

Commandments might be better

Every touchdown the fans could scream a new commandment

[nedboy7]

Society as a whole is idiotic. Don’t cherry pick. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

15 minutes ago, badassgixxer05 said:

and i wasn't protesting against the name change 🥴Not sure what you are getting at here. Please elaborate.

Not "getting at" anything other than what was stated. If you need me too type it again, scroll up and reread.

[hondo in seattle]

44 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

Washington Commanders has a bias favoring The Navy over The Army that I find offensive.  
 

All the military ranks should be included and represented with equity.  This isn’t fair.  
 

 

 

Not so.  The entire military is overseen by the Commander-In-Chief.

 

The army has company commanders.  The air force has wing commanders.    There are lots of commanders in the armed forces.  

 

[nucci]

Just now, nedboy7 said:

Society as a whole is idiotic. Don’t cherry pick. 

as Texas bans books from public schools

[nedboy7]

2 minutes ago, nucci said:

as Texas bans books from public schools

 

Exactly.  Cause that's not cancel culture. 

[badassgixxer05]

2 minutes ago, nucci said:

as Texas bans books from public schools

As statues disappear of famous leaders. Its happening all over on both sides and is disgusting. We the people need to put a stop to it else everything will be erased or censored like communist nations.

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, ArtVandalay said:

Why do you think Native Americans don't want people to appreciate or celebrate representation? This whole notion that people want a multicultural society but want cultures segregated is ridiculous. Notre Dame also had a black student be their leprechaun mascot, so do you find that off limits too? It's part and parcel of different cultures living with each other and embracing one another. 

 

Native Americans have a rich history and culture of being feared warriors, nothing wrong with embracing that, it's not being mocked and disparaged, it's being embraced.

 

I hope the Chiefs keep their embracement, and every indication is that they will, good for them.

 

Why do I think they don’t want representation?  I don’t know - maybe because they’ve said so in national media outlets?

 

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/537542-on-eve-of-super-bowl-native-americans-boo-the-kansas-city?amp
 

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/6593894001

[hondo in seattle]

55 minutes ago, Homey D. Clown said:

I don't know why they couldn't come up with a way to keep the original logo.  Why was using a heritage image of a native american wrong?  That's where all of this goes full Karen for me.  Total bull feces.

 

Redskins a derogatory term?  really?  If so, when, like 200 years ago?  Fine.  I'll concede that one.  The logo is offensive?  How is that even possible?  All of this is really sad.  Take a look at Mutual of Omaha's new logo.  It was a Native American image, please, oh please wise Karens, how was that remotely offensive?  

 

A 2020 UC-Berkeley study found that 49% of Native Americans considered the "redskin" term 'offensive' or 'very offensive.'

 

A Center for Indigenous Peoples/CSU-San Bernadino study found that 67% of people surveyed thought the expression "redskins" name was offensive and racist.  

 

Numerous Native American tribes, and other Native American organizations, have spoken out against it.

 

Apparently, the word "redskin" isn't offensive to you.   Great.  Even some Native Americans don't find it offensive. 

 

But many do.   Why would we - as a country - choose to demean these good people?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[hondo in seattle]

14 minutes ago, badassgixxer05 said:

As statues disappear of famous leaders. Its happening all over on both sides and is disgusting. We the people need to put a stop to it else everything will be erased or censored like communist nations.

 

As a combat veteran, I can't understand why we ever erected statues to Confederate leaders in the first place.  

 

I'm all in favor of honoring America's patriotic heroes.   But not slave-holding traitors who fought against the United States.  

[badassgixxer05]

6 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

As a combat veteran, I can't understand why we ever erected statues to Confederate leaders in the first place.  

 

I'm all in favor of honoring America's patriotic heroes.   But not slave-holding traitors who fought against the United States.  

That's why we need more books. We all need better education. The war wasn't fought over slavery. And by the way, the Union leaders were slave owners also.

[Homey D. Clown]

15 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

A 2020 UC-Berkeley study found that 49% of Native Americans considered the "redskin" term 'offensive' or 'very offensive.'

 

A Center for Indigenous Peoples/CSU-San Bernadino study found that 67% of people surveyed thought the expression "redskins" name was offensive and racist.  

 

Numerous Native American tribes, and other Native American organizations, have spoken out against it.

 

Apparently, the word "redskin" isn't offensive to you.   Great.  Even some Native Americans don't find it offensive. 

 

But many do.   Why would we - as a country - choose to demean these good people?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How many people were surveyed in 2020?  Where were their respective geographies?  Were all the people surveyed located in California?  I would really question the sample populous as a consensus of ALL native Americans must then feel this way.  Sorry, but very pointed surveys to generate a foregone conclusion seems very un-scientific to me.  However, if you read my comments, I conceded the name even though the very people I associate with who have an ethnic connection to all of this think it's absolutley preposterous.  Go figure... not all people feel the same way. 

 

I don't think changing the name was all that bad given it's actual intent, and if some of the population, no matter how minute feel offended, then I agree it was prudent to change the name.  what I am trying to say here, is that I actually agree with you based upon my first post, just not in as many words, but to remove a very cool logo along with it was like throwing out the baby with the bath water.

 

If anyone finds a native American logo offensive need to have their heads examined.  I will stand firm there.

 

For example, as I said in a differnt post..  Mutual of Omaha changed their logo from a Native American to a lion, What the Actaul EFF for?

Karens...   that's why.  That to me was an insult at its worst level.

Edited February 1, 2022 by Homey D. Clown

[The Frankish Reich]

Commanders makes me think of Master and Commander.

And Master has been canceled too.

https://www.realestate-princeton.com/why-master-bedroom-is-changing-to-primary-bedroom-and-why-it-matters/

 

 

[badassgixxer05]

2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Commanders makes me think of Master and Commander.

And Master has been canceled too.

https://www.realestate-princeton.com/why-master-bedroom-is-changing-to-primary-bedroom-and-why-it-matters/

 

 

People have seriously lost it. Such a soft nation as everyone around us gets stronger. These people don't see the big picture. Its only a matter of time before someone flexes on us and we speaking another prominent language in a 100 years.

[ArtVandalay]

30 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Why do I think they don’t want representation?  I don’t know - maybe because they’ve said so in national media outlets?

 

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/537542-on-eve-of-super-bowl-native-americans-boo-the-kansas-city?amp
 

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/6593894001

Okay, so a national activist doesn't like it, you will always find nonlocal activists that dislike everything... there's local support in Kansas City from the local people involved that it impacts... the team itself works with local trial communities. Nothing they are doing is wrong, they don't mock or disparage, they embrace. 

 

You can find plenty of military personnel that would oppose the Commanders name for the exact same reasons. 

 

It's a sports team, they are not disparaging anyone, people got to get over it. 

[Bob in STL]

43 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Not so.  The entire military is overseen by the Commander-In-Chief.

 

The army has company commanders.  The air force has wing commanders.    There are lots of commanders in the armed forces.  

 

It was a joke. 

 

Commander-in-Chief is a civilian. 

 

Company commander is typically a Army Captain.   Wing Commander's are typically an Air Force Lt Colonel. 

 

The Navy has officer ranks of Lt. Commander (04)  and Commander (05).  No? 

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

4 minutes ago, badassgixxer05 said:

People have seriously lost it.

This part I can't disagree with.

Look, to me "Redskins" needed to go. But that's because it was a team named using a pejorative term for an ethnic group.

I don't see anything similar in these other names. The Indians needed to change their logo. 

Commanders is stupid. So are most team names (step back for a moment and consider "Buffalo Bills"). WFT (or as I preferred Washington Football Club, Washington F.C.) was a breath of fresh air, more on the English model.

[RobbRiddick]

Should have called them the Washington Snyders and had Napoleon as their logo 

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, Homey D. Clown said:

I don't know why they couldn't come up with a way to keep the original logo.  Why was using a heritage image of a native american wrong?  That's where all of this goes full Karen for me.  Total bull feces.

 

Redskins a derogatory term?  really?  If so, when, like 200 years ago?  Fine.  I'll concede that one.  The logo is offensive?  How is that even possible?  All of this is really sad.  Take a look at Mutual of Omaha's new logo.  It was a Native American image, please, oh please wise Karens, how was that remotely offensive?  

 

Welcome to the 19th century.  Yeah, "Redskin" is a derogatory term for a Native American -- and has always been a derogatory term even 200 years ago.   "Indian" is simply an outdated term for Native American, much like "colored" or "*****" are outdated terms for African Americans.  

 

[Sbucholz]

Here's the progression...will be shortened in the media to Com's...when they play poorly,Cons...

[frostbitmic]

It's about time, I was offended by Washington Football Team.

 

The Commanders had a terrible game plan

The Commanders were out gunned

The Commanders went down with the ship

The Commanders pass was intercepted

The Commanders fumbled the ball

The Commanders had a meltdown

The Commanders are winless

[Greg S]

34 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Commanders makes me think of Master and Commander.

And Master has been canceled too.

https://www.realestate-princeton.com/why-master-bedroom-is-changing-to-primary-bedroom-and-why-it-matters/

 

 

 

Commanders make me think of

 

 

 

[SoTier]

30 minutes ago, Homey D. Clown said:

For example, as I said in a differnt post..  Mutual of Omaha changed their logo from a Native American to a lion, What the Actaul EFF for?

Karens...   that's why.  That to me was an insult at its worst level.

 

You should know all about "Karens" since you see one every time you look in a mirror. 

[purple haze]

Yuck.  So non-descript.

[Greg S]

Another team that could be in danger with their logo and name. I personally think this is the best logo in hockey.

 

 

[Mark Vader]

3 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

Its a terrible name.  Has no flow to it whatsoever.  Cant even be shortened to anything and everyone is stuck annunciating a stupid 6 syllable football team name.

 

Admirals sounds a lot better

Sure, it can be shortened.

 

The Commies.

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, badassgixxer05 said:

People have seriously lost it. Such a soft nation as everyone around us gets stronger. These people don't see the big picture. Its only a matter of time before someone flexes on us and we speaking another prominent language in a 100 years.

 

Dude, I'm part of that "soft nation."   

 

I've led soldiers through swamps and jungles, across mountains and deserts, and into combat.  

 

The soldiers I proudly served with included Christians, Muslims, Jews, Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans and others.

 

Call me "soft" if you want but I know none of these brave, patriotic Americans should be referred to in a derogatory way.    That's the big picture.  

[Apocalypse Nuts]

2 hours ago, filthymcnasty08 said:

 

Did people feel that way, until the media told them they should?  My guess is - close to 100% of people calling for it, never had an opinion prior.

2 hours ago, badassgixxer05 said:

 

Probably because you're not Native American. 

[djp14150]

3 hours ago, Greg S said:

 

Kraken is only one of 10 teams in sports whose names don't end in "s" unless I am missing a team.

 

NBA...Heat, Magic, Thunder, Jazz

NHL...Lightning, Avalanche, Wild, Kraken

MLB...Red Sox, White Sox

 

Every NFL team's name ends in "s"...Bills, Patriots, Dolphins, Jets, etc etc

id distinguish s ending that aren’t plural meaning.

[Starr Almighty]

4 hours ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

It's Dre that was part of "F the police". Not sure Snoop ever made a cop killer lyric song. 

 

Not wholesome lyrics so I get the point.

He made a song called Deep cover and says "cause it's 187 on an undercover cop". I don't know if he hates cops it's just how gangsta rap was at that point in time. Mostly everyone did it ie:Cypress Hill etc

[djp14150]

1 hour ago, Homey D. Clown said:

How many people were surveyed in 2020?  Where were their respective geographies?  Were all the people surveyed located in California?  I would really question the sample populous as a consensus of ALL native Americans must then feel this way.  Sorry, but very pointed surveys to generate a foregone conclusion seems very un-scientific to me.  However, if you read my comments, I conceded the name even though the very people I associate with who have an ethnic connection to all of this think it's absolutley preposterous.  Go figure... not all people feel the same way. 

 

I don't think changing the name was all that bad given it's actual intent, and if some of the population, no matter how minute feel offended, then I agree it was prudent to change the name.  what I am trying to say here, is that I actually agree with you based upon my first post, just not in as many words, but to remove a very cool logo along with it was like throwing out the baby with the bath water.

 

If anyone finds a native American logo offensive need to have their heads examined.  I will stand firm there.

 

For example, as I said in a differnt post..  Mutual of Omaha changed their logo from a Native American to a lion, What the Actaul EFF for?

Karens...   that's why.  That to me was an insult at its worst level.

 

its offensive.

 

numerous brands changed their name/ logo out of respect the the racists reference made in the logo

 

Eskimo pies..Eskimo is deragstiry

native American on land o lakes butter

then uncle  Ben and aunt Jemima 

 

[Beach]

i cant believe they kept the "Washington" part.

[djp14150]

20 minutes ago, Greg S said:

Another team that could be in danger with their logo and name. I personally think this is the best logo in hockey.

 

 

 

logo yes…name not so much.  A Blackhawk could be a bird.

The only tribe I known of thst supported it’s name use/ depiction was the Seminoles

[TheFunPolice]

Commanders sounds dumb, then again to me the Houston Texans sounded dumb as well but now I'm used to it. 

 

Was there no bird, snake, or mammal available?

 

Washington Pit Vipers would have been more appropriate and could lend itself to a cool logo. 

Edited February 1, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

Buffalo History Lesson:

 

Dave Thomas, Promo The Robot, and Mr Beeper in the morning on Rocket Ship 7. 

 

Commander Tom Show with Dust-mop, and Matty the Mod were on after school. 
 

Erv, Rick, and Tom - Channel 7 News Team. 

 

Wasn't Dustmop doing it with Cecily Fripple?

 

Superman reruns were a staple.

One thing about Superman I never understood.  Superman would stand with his hands on his hips while bullets bounced off his chest

but then he would duck when the bad guy threw his gun.

 

[DCOrange]

4 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

Its a terrible name.  Has no flow to it whatsoever.  Cant even be shortened to anything and everyone is stuck annunciating a stupid 6 syllable football team name.

 

Admirals sounds a lot better

I believe their plan is for the shortened name to be DCFC.  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Should have been 'Commodores', another naval military term.  Ties in well with singing "you're once, twice...three times a loser" to Snyder.

[TheFunPolice]

Rattlesnakes would be a great name for a team, and could add an intimidating vibe...

 

Logo is a rattlesnake head open with fangs ready to bite... 

 

color scheme brown, black and white

 

Sound effects of rattlesnake rattles during games... Just put the IDEA of a rattlesnake in players' minds. Guarantee someone is freaked out by it. 

 

I would be looking under the bench for one, even though it's an NFL stadium and there's obviously not rattlesnakes there... or are there?!

Edited February 1, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[Boatdrinks]

Oh god only one word for that name : P U T R I D !

[The Frankish Reich]

2 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Welcome to the 19th century.  Yeah, "Redskin" is a derogatory term for a Native American -- and has always been a derogatory term even 200 years ago.   "Indian" is simply an outdated term for Native American, much like "colored" or "*****" are outdated terms for African Americans.  

 

Agreed.

But with one caveat: "Indian" is very much back as a term used by American Indians, including one of my American Indian co-workers. She much prefers it to "Native American" for a variety of reasons. And she gets to choose so I'm fine with that, as long as we understand that most people who use "Native American" around her mean no offense.