Bag of Milk Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) The Bills interviewed: Brad Childress Greg Olson- withdrew to become Rams OC Rick Dennison Ken Dorsey McDermott picked Rick Dennison. Not an inspiring hire to say the least. Good news is: McDermott fired Dennison after only one season. Edited January 29, 2022 by Bag of Milk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 The sort of OC McDermott might hire if Daboll leaves scares me to death. He's a defensive guy and just so conservative. 2 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 That’s the last straw. **** the Bills. I’m gonna become a Chiefs fan. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Who McD hired in 2017 has almost nil to do with what's going on now. For one, entering that season, they had Tuh-rod Taylor at QB with good old Nate Peterman backing him up. And, their skill players were extremely weak Translation: it wasn't an ideal job to take and Dennison never excelled in the role. Fast forward 4 seasons and Buffalo has a legit franchise QB who I'm uber-confident several coaches would kill to work with. It's not all on McD to have connections...people are going to come to him now for that job. 12 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: The sort of OC McDermott might hire if Daboll leaves scares me to death. He's a defensive guy and just so conservative. What am I missing? McD didn't hire Daboll? 4 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Who cares. Ken Dorsey will be our OC. He's been groomed. It's actually an exciting change to me. Let's all remember that Josh is our 250 million dollar man and he'll be able to give input not just into our new OC but the plays he likes and doesn't like. 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Who cares. Ken Dorsey will be our OC. He's been groomed. It's actually an exciting change to me. Let's all remember that Josh is our 250 million dollar man and he'll be able to give input not just into our new OC but the plays he likes and doesn't like. You're going to get some bad news soon lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 30 minutes ago, Trogdor said: You're going to get some bad news soon lol Doubt it, we May not hire Dorsey but it wont be because he leaves first. The Bill's OC job is the most attractive spot available. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Doubt it, we May not hire Dorsey but it wont be because he leaves first. The Bill's OC job is the most attractive spot available. You don't think having your first coordinator position being under and offensive mind you trust isn't attractive? Less pressure to win immediately and provide time to actually learn isn't attractive? I think a more seasoned guy might want to come to Buffalo, but a new coordinator would be on an island. They built to air it out, but the HC wants balance, so that's something they will always have to contend with. I can see him picking the Giants over Bills. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Just now, Trogdor said: You don't think having your first coordinator position being under and offensive mind you trust isn't attractive? Less pressure to win immediately and provide time to actually learn isn't attractive? I think a more seasoned guy might want to come to Buffalo, but a new coordinator would be on an island. They built to air it out, but the HC wants balance, so that's something they will always have to contend with. I can see him picking the Giants over Bills. Hell no to all of that, Jones is career suicide 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Bag of Milk said: The Bills interviewed: Brad Childress Greg Olson- withdrew to become Rams OC Rick Dennison Ken Dorsey McDermott picked Rick Dennison. Not an inspiring hire to say the least. Good news is: McDermott fired Dennison after only one season. True but was Beane on board? Certainly many coaches and f.o staff weren't involved . He was a 1st year HC , Beane a 1st year gm. Him and the f.o have no doubt grown tremendously 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 The Bills were one of the least desirable landing spots for coaches that year, especially on offense. McDermott hired who he could hire. 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: The sort of OC McDermott might hire if Daboll leaves scares me to death. He's a defensive guy and just so conservative. Who hired Daboll? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 35 minutes ago, Trogdor said: You don't think having your first coordinator position being under and offensive mind you trust isn't attractive? Less pressure to win immediately and provide time to actually learn isn't attractive? I think a more seasoned guy might want to come to Buffalo, but a new coordinator would be on an island. They built to air it out, but the HC wants balance, so that's something they will always have to contend with. I can see him picking the Giants over Bills. I’d actually be scared as a bills fan with Dorsey you have a Super Bowl caliber team and a guy whose never called plays at any level be your oc. The Giants have a terrible cap situation with some awful contracts on that roster and decisions on Barkley and Jones coming up he’s not walking into a Golden setup there either 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 I get so tired of people making like McDermott is stupid or something do you really think that he is going to intentionally go away from the type of offenses that has been successful here for five years no he’s not going to do that he’s going to look for someone similar to what we have had and we did not have a franchise QB at that time can people please just put their feelings aside about the fact that we just lost and went home and realize that we have a head coach with the winning record that his coach this team to five playoffs in the last six seasons and knock this ***** the ***** off 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bag of Milk said: The Bills interviewed: Brad Childress Greg Olson- withdrew to become Rams OC Rick Dennison Ken Dorsey McDermott picked Rick Dennison. Not an inspiring hire to say the least. Good news is: McDermott fired Dennison after only one season. Olson actually withdrew to become the Rams QB’s coach. Which is even more insulting. 2 hours ago, BillsVet said: It's not all on McD to have connections...people are going to come to him now for that job. Now that i’ve edited out the “rah rah”, let’s focus on reality. Just like any other position on earth, the very best are already employed and under contract. There may be endless people who want the job, but can not have it due to contractual obligations. That leaves: 1) Former OC’s without a job - Which makes you question WHY they are without a job. 2) People who have never been an OC, and they will be learning on the job. …. Edited January 29, 2022 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 41 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I get so tired of people making like McDermott is stupid or something Did you watch the last 13 seconds of last Sundays game? 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 16 minutes ago, Einstein said: Did you watch the last 13 seconds of last Sundays game? Have you watched the last six years 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Hell no to all of that, Jones is career suicide Disagree. If they actually bring in a real offensive line, I think he's got a chance to become good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 29 minutes ago, Einstein said: Did you watch the last 13 seconds of last Sundays game? I get that it's way more satisfying to grab a pitchfork and join the mob. But we don't know what happened there or who was to blame. The idea that 13 seconds - bad as it was - shows that McDermott is stupid, well it's flat-out ridiculous. Not that all is sunshine and roses and we can be absolutely sure we'll get a sensational OC. But we've got a smart guy with a lot more experience than he had last time making the decision. And the job is a ton more attractive than it was when he hired Dennison. And the next year he hired Daboll. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 35 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Have you watched the last six years Yes. And i’ve seen numerous and repeated gameday mistakes, each and every year. 2 2 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 5 hours ago, Bag of Milk said: The Bills interviewed: Brad Childress Greg Olson- withdrew to become Rams OC Rick Dennison Ken Dorsey McDermott picked Rick Dennison. Not an inspiring hire to say the least. Good news is: McDermott fired Dennison after only one season. And actually his first choice was Mike McCoy. But he went to Denver instead. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Einstein said: Yes. And i’ve seen numerous and repeated gameday mistakes, each and every year. Those playoffs All these years must be so unsatisfying for you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Einstein said: Olson actually withdrew to become the Rams QB’s coach. Which is even more insulting. Now that i’ve edited out the “rah rah”, let’s focus on reality. Just like any other position on earth, the very best are already employed and under contract. There may be endless people who want the job, but can not have it due to contractual obligations. That leaves: 1) Former OC’s without a job - Which makes you question WHY they are without a job. 2) People who have never been an OC, and they will be learning on the job. …. 3) college coaches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 5 hours ago, Nextmanup said: The sort of OC McDermott might hire if Daboll leaves scares me to death. He's a defensive guy and just so conservative. I don’t think he’s “so” conservative anymore. In spots he can be, like most coaches, but he went for a lot of 4th downs this year as opposed to previous years, specifically in reaction to the AFC Championship game lessons from last year. I’m not worried about it. They’ll get an OC with a good resume and next year folks will love his playcalls when we win and want him fired when we lose or don’t win pretty enough. Rinse and repeat. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Einstein said: Yes. And i’ve seen numerous and repeated gameday mistakes, each and every year. That's called NFL football. I watch a lot of teams outside of Buffalo and there are mistakes made in every single game. It is the most complex sport in the world. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Einstein said: Yes. And i’ve seen numerous and repeated gameday mistakes, each and every year. You’re right… good NFL coaches don’t make mistakes. What weird world are you living in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 8 hours ago, Bag of Milk said: The Bills interviewed: Brad Childress Greg Olson- withdrew to become Rams OC Rick Dennison Ken Dorsey McDermott picked Rick Dennison. Not an inspiring hire to say the least. Good news is: McDermott fired Dennison after only one season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 4 hours ago, Einstein said: Yes. And i’ve seen numerous and repeated gameday mistakes, each and every year. Then get your ass on the sideline... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Draconator said: Then get your ass on the sideline... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 8 hours ago, SinceThe70s said: What am I missing? McD didn't hire Daboll? Yeah but he made a mistake before that and that's what this thread is about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 7 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I get so tired of people making like McDermott is stupid or something do you really think that he is going to intentionally go away from the type of offenses that has been successful here for five years no he’s not going to do that he’s going to look for someone similar to what we have had and we did not have a franchise QB at that time can people please just put their feelings aside about the fact that we just lost and went home and realize that we have a head coach with the winning record that his coach this team to five playoffs in the last six seasons and knock this ***** the ***** off The offense has only really been successful for 2 years. It was going nowhere fast before that. 7 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: I’d actually be scared as a bills fan with Dorsey you have a Super Bowl caliber team and a guy whose never called plays at any level be your oc. The Giants have a terrible cap situation with some awful contracts on that roster and decisions on Barkley and Jones coming up he’s not walking into a Golden setup there either I agree with you, I just think it's a much softer landing for him. If he failed here it would be a much bigger blemish. 7 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Hell no to all of that, Jones is career suicide A Bills offense regressing as he figures it out is suicide. It's win now here. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 9 hours ago, Bag of Milk said: The Bills interviewed: Brad Childress Greg Olson- withdrew to become Rams OC Rick Dennison Ken Dorsey McDermott picked Rick Dennison. Not an inspiring hire to say the least. Good news is: McDermott fired Dennison after only one season. Your history lesson skips over a massive amount of context. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Being around message boards and posting a lot kind of let's you see how fans think. It doesn't matter what you've done or accomplished, unless you win championships you're considered a failure in many fans eyes. People talk about McDermott in the same way they talk about Dick Jauron or Gregg Williams. It's laughable to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuartjohn Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 9 hours ago, Nextmanup said: The sort of OC McDermott might hire if Daboll leaves scares me to death. He's a defensive guy and just so conservative. McD is a defensive guy- yea ok! Our # 1 defense lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 I feel like if Dorsey does leave it's because he doesn't feel good about creating an offense under McDermott (which I could understand after the season we had and the weird commitment to running even when against our best interests.) If he goes, I worry about where we're headed next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 8 hours ago, Trogdor said: You don't think having your first coordinator position being under and offensive mind you trust isn't attractive? Less pressure to win immediately and provide time to actually learn isn't attractive? I think a more seasoned guy might want to come to Buffalo, but a new coordinator would be on an island. They built to air it out, but the HC wants balance, so that's something they will always have to contend with. I can see him picking the Giants over Bills. He was already under that same offensive mind for 3 years, do you think he wasn't learning from Daboll during that time? He clearly wanted to be an OC because he interviewed in the past for the position. He's been preparing for this for years now. Guys in this profession want to move up and prove themselves on their own. Quick question, who do you think would get the credit if the Giants offense turned it around Brian or Ken? But if things went south Dorsey would get all the blame and I'm not so sure Daboll would be inclined to give up playcalling. Why would you want a job working in someone's shadow? If my future in the NFL, as a coach, had to be hitched to either Allen or Jones, sorry brother, that's a no contest. Jones was 29th in passing yards, 30th in TDs, 26th in QB Rating & 22nd in QBR which was 41.6. 50.0 is average QB play. So he'd be leaving easily a top 2 QB to leave and coach a below average QB. That wouldn't be described as a sound career decision. Jones just finished his 3rd year and he's still a bad QB. Why would you leave the best player in the league for a failing franchise and failing QB? My opinion Josh>Daboll & Jones by a mile and it's not even that close. Just for reference Jones total TDs in his 3 year career were beat by Allen in this year alone, including playoffs (51 vs 50). Also in 3 years Jones has yet to play a full season. Yep let me leave the most physically gifted QB ever to play and sign me up for some of that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 5 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Those playoffs All these years must be so unsatisfying for you At the end of the season, all teams are equal except for 1. I don’t care about playoffs. I care about Super Bowls. 4 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: You’re right… good NFL coaches don’t make mistakes. What weird world are you living in? Everyone makes mistakes. Some forget to take the garbage out. And others accidentally set their house on fire. There are degrees to mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenigmusx Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Captain Caveman said: I feel like if Dorsey does leave it's because he doesn't feel good about creating an offense under McDermott (which I could understand after the season we had and the weird commitment to running even when against our best interests.) If he goes, I worry about where we're headed next year. The “Weird” commitment to the running game is what finally opened up the offense down the stretch. Josh Allen was the number one play action QB in the NFL when all was said and done. The shift to establishing the dual threat is what made our playoff run possible. I am usually first to get on a coach about being conservative but If McD is the one who called for the shift in offensive personality Bravo. With out the shift Buffalo was not in the playoffs. That would have been devastating. Edited January 29, 2022 by Lenigmusx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 9 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I get so tired of people making like McDermott is stupid or something do you really think that he is going to intentionally go away from the type of offenses that has been successful here for five years no he’s not going to do that he’s going to look for someone similar to what we have had and we did not have a franchise QB at that time can people please just put their feelings aside about the fact that we just lost and went home and realize that we have a head coach with the winning record that his coach this team to five playoffs in the last six seasons and knock this ***** the ***** off Some ARE stupid so they think Coach McDermott is. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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