cage Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I loathe press questions that start with a speech. I've never seen them be effective either. Why not just start with the last sentence? "How do you evaluate what happened in the last 2 minutes of the Chiefs game, and what has to be done to maintain the good there, but fix the problems and change the outcome next year?" Fair enough, perhaps some of that context should be in follow-up if he's trying to swat the question away as McD did yesterday. I really didn't like how it was handled given the context described. I need a more serious answer that shows they get it. NFL careers are fleeting and they just booted a whole season's effort. If a player had done that it might have cost them on getting re-signed, $$ on their next signing or a decision that "we need to move on and improve at that position". If Allen had choked that way, everyone would be questioning whether he was worth $40m/yr. Look at the reviews on Dak Prescott from the previous week after his screw-up, who is the only other member of $40m club. Edited January 26, 2022 by cage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Most sane Bills fans like McDermott, but this was a Norwood level choke job by the coaches. I think we’re all still in shock by what happened in those 13 seconds. You don’t know if you’re ever gonna get that opportunity again. If I were a betting man, I’d say McDermott like Norwood gets 1 more year, but if he doesn’t make the Super Bowl he’s gone. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamptonBillsfan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, cage said: To your point, ditto on Titans and Colts game. We couldn't stop either team once they got rolling Listen, I know we're close but we can't start believing these phony statistical platitudes about being one of the top defenses. The defensive strategy doesn't fit our personnel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Most sane Bills fans like McDermott, but this was a Norwood level choke job by the coaches. I think we’re all still in shock by what happened in those 13 seconds. You don’t know if you’re ever gonna get that opportunity again. If I were a betting man, I’d say McDermott like Norwood gets 1 more year, but if he doesn’t make the Super Bowl he’s gone. I definitely do not think it's Super Bowl or Bust for McDermott. I can envision scenarios where he could get fired next year, but for simply not making the Super Bowl isn't one of them. I do think this game has affected his short term legacy around league circles. He was though of as, not an elite tier coach, but in the next tier below that as a young up and comer. He now has to overcome the dreaded choker label. I still believe most view him as a good coach, but he's taken a hit - for the short term, at least. He can also certainly repair that image. Edited January 26, 2022 by SCBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Most sane Bills fans like McDermott, but this was a Norwood level choke job by the coaches. I think we’re all still in shock by what happened in those 13 seconds. You don’t know if you’re ever gonna get that opportunity again. If I were a betting man, I’d say McDermott like Norwood gets 1 more year, but if he doesn’t make the Super Bowl he’s gone. Norwood didn't choke. He missed a kick that he didn't normally make. He was a very accurate kicker on short-range kicks, but to kick from 47-48 yards out (which in those days was a long FG - it's a more routine distance these days), from the right hash, on grass - not to mention the pressure of the situation - is not a kick Norwood would typically make. Yes, he could have risen to the occassion and didn't, but it wasn't a choke. Sunday's final 13 seconds was a true choke. Effectively keeping a team out of FG range in 13 seconds, including a kickoff, is something that a team would normally be able to do. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Back2Buff said: Can't wait for him to tell us they need to get faster, and then draft and bring in slow players. Heard the same speed comment last year. I don’t know how JOK did in Cleveland this year so I may be making this comment with egg on my face, but because he brought so much speed and quickness from the LB position (and could affect the QB), I was hoping he’d be our first round pick, not Rousseau. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 54 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said: I'm assuming that nobody is actually stupid enough to think that we need a new HC. If that's your fix, I'm glad you're not in a position to make any decisions for this franchise. IDK McDermott could be the new Dungy. Think of all the Super Bowls Colts & Manning would have if he was a better coach, especially in the playoffs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 “How much candy cap space do we have for McKenzie next year?” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Beane will very busy in the off-season. This year it was coaching blunders at the end. I think the pieces are there. Do some of players second guess the coaches now in crucial times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: You're not going to get much from Beane today other than he and the Pegulas are committed to bringing a Super Bowl trophy to Buffalo. Yea this is kinda pointless. I'd rather they call in McDermott, Farwell and Bass for a little presser chit chat. Now that would be compelling. 13 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: Beane will very busy in the off-season. This year it was coaching blunders at the end. I think the pieces are there. Do some of players second guess the coaches now in crucial times Oh hell yes. If you can't stay composed after Josh just wins you the game and come up with an intelligent strategy for 13 seconds, than who can I trust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Bangarang said: I smell a mutiny coming. I bet Josh asks to be traded to New England. Why do you think Belichick went in the locker room to talk to him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Why do you think Belichick went in the locker room to talk to him? Maybe we can get Bill to come here. I would love that. We would definitely win a Super Bowl with Bill as our coach. Oh well back to reality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: I like McDermott but I really have no idea how that locker room trusts him in big situations going forward. Have you spent any time at all watching and listening to players and the coaching staff of this team over the last couple of years? Serious question. If you have, then you have absolutely no ability whatsoever to evaluate the people on this team and their relationships. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Have you spent any time at all watching and listening to players and the coaching staff of this team over the last couple of years? Serious question. If you have, then you have absolutely no ability whatsoever to evaluate the people on this team and their relationships. I think it's an understandable question. If you're entire mantra is to "trust the process" and everyone has (to McDermott's credit). But then the process works, you are on the precipice of the process playing out, and then the leaders who have preached said process are the ones who let everyone down, it's hard to not think some players may tune out the rah-rah stuff in the future. Now, I do think the players respect McDermott. I don't think they will tune him out. But I would hope that even he realizes the messaging might need to be a little different moving forward. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Have you spent any time at all watching and listening to players and the coaching staff of this team over the last couple of years? Serious question. If you have, then you have absolutely no ability whatsoever to evaluate the people on this team and their relationships. Serious question… have you ever played a competitive sport? If you have you would know trust is everything. Now imagine all the blood, sweat, and tears these guys put in all year to get to the mountaintop. Now replay those 13 seconds in your head over and over and over again. Sorry, you play to win the game. Relationships only go so far if you think coaching is why you ain’t still playing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I honestly don't expect much from Beane other than the same platitudes we heard last year which are accurate, especially having home field advantage throughout the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, SCBills said: I think it's an understandable question. If you're entire mantra is to "trust the process" and everyone has (to McDermott's credit). But then the process works, you are on the precipice of the process playing out, and then the leaders who have preached said process are the ones who let everyone down, it's hard to not think some players may tune out the rah-rah stuff in the future. Now, I do think the players respect McDermott. I don't think they will tune him out. But I would hope that even he realizes the messaging might need to be a little different moving forward. No. it's not. If you think the players don't trust the process or McDermott after what happened, then I really don't know what to tell you. 6 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Serious question… have you ever played a competitive sport? If you have you would know trust is everything. Now imagine all the blood, sweat, and tears these guys put in all year to get to the mountaintop. Now replay those 13 seconds in your head over and over and over again. Sorry, you play to win the game. Relationships only go so far if you think coaching is why you ain’t still playing. Yes, in high school: football, baseball, and wrestling (state qualifer 4 straight years). Irrelevant. As I said in a previous post, If you think the players don't trust the process or McDermott after what happened, then I really don't know what to tell you. That's a "you" thing and has no foothold in reality. Edited January 26, 2022 by billsfan1959 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, cage said: Fair enough, perhaps some of that context should be in follow-up if he's trying to swat the question away as McD did yesterday. I really didn't like how it was handled given the context described. I need a more serious answer that shows they get it. NFL careers are fleeting and they just booted a whole season's effort. If a player had done that it might have cost them on getting re-signed, $$ on their next signing or a decision that "we need to move on and improve at that position". If Allen had choked that way, everyone would be questioning whether he was worth $40m/yr. Look at the reviews on Dak Prescott from the previous week after his screw-up, who is the only other member of $40m club. You can't even get simple facts right. Can we fire you from the board? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 hours ago, cage said: Is that something that is teachable... by now? Parcels, Reid, Payton, Belichick constantly outfoxed other teams to pull out games like this. It took Reid and Payton a long, long time (and future HOF QBing) to succeed consistently in the playoffs 2 hours ago, Bangarang said: I smell a mutiny coming. I bet Josh asks to be traded to New England. But @PatsFanNH said that BB doesnt want a QB like Allen 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Bangarang said: I smell a mutiny coming. I bet Josh asks to be traded to New England. Nothing like a good angry mob... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 23 minutes ago, Greg S said: Maybe we can get Bill to come here. I would love that. We would definitely win a Super Bowl with Bill as our coach. Oh well back to reality. Regardless of the fact the Bills didn’t punt against him in 2 games, I definitely don’t think KC would’ve got the yards they needed for the FG if he were coaching those last 13 seconds. Basically comes down to experience, I don’t think McD has a comparable gaff like that the rest of his coaching career. It’s just unfortunate it had to happen in a playoff game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Nothing like a good angry mob... If Josh ever gets traded to Patriots i'd join with this group lol. But realistically not going to joib. I'm patience Bills have a well run group. Can take it to Super Bowl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: Frazier didn't have a good game this time against the Chiefs. Every coach and player on the team had at least one bad game this season. Do you want to get rid of Allen for his poor performance against the Jags? My complaint against Frazier is that when his schemes are not good they fail horrendously and irreversibly in-game. Happened a couple of times last season and this season in the first NE game, critical times of the Chiefs game. Last season I felt that much of the failing of the D was due to Frazier's coaching but a few knowledgeable folks in here were of the opinion that it was more due to the players than Frazier. This year's lofty D rankings seemed to suggest they were right and I was wrong but I still get the niggling feeling that something is amiss. Sure we need a couple of key pieces (CB, LB) but every damn team needs "couple of key pieces". I think we had sufficient talent to win it all. But for next season, we absolutely need to upgrade - fill the gaps and leap frog the competition, Chiefs, Titans, Colts, pats** wont be sitting still 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, Malazan said: You can't even get simple facts right. Can we fire you from the board? I meant outside of Allen and Mahomes (+Watson, but he's not playing). Is that your only contribution to what has been a pretty good debate here? Save it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Can we all agree that there is a difference between saying nothing to the public and then fixing things behind the scenes, and actually fixing nothing? We want to know the inside baseball, but most of it we never will. I for one can live without a public flogging and believe that McD will be brutally honest with himself and correct the problems to the extent possible. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 12 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said: Can we all agree that there is a difference between saying nothing to the public and then fixing things behind the scenes, and actually fixing nothing? We want to know the inside baseball, but most of it we never will. I for one can live without a public flogging and believe that McD will be brutally honest with himself and correct the problems to the extent possible. Humiliation will never result in a good outcome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) Question that needs to be asked: with the team in position to win with 13 seconds left the coaching staff has again received significant criticism for the way in which a playoff game was managed. How will this impact your evaluation of the coaching staff and what does that process look like. As a follow up question to his answer I would then ask: Is there anyone considered on the hot sest as we like to refer to it and if not what else would need to be done to land in that territory. Edited January 26, 2022 by ArtVandalay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 36 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Serious question… have you ever played a competitive sport? If you have you would know trust is everything. Now imagine all the blood, sweat, and tears these guys put in all year to get to the mountaintop. Now replay those 13 seconds in your head over and over and over again. Sorry, you play to win the game. Relationships only go so far if you think coaching is why you ain’t still playing. Or are they not playing because they need better players to execute the scheme? More explosive, faster, etc. it goes both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) Every team in the NFL once their eliminated assess their roster, particularly the QB position. In light of the Bills / Chiefs game especially, probably every team is considering whether they will ever be able to compete with either of those QBs with the one they have.... is Tannehill, Carr, Prescott, Tua, Mac Jones good enough? Can they just be above average, very good, or MUST we have an elite QB in order to have any chance to win?? I want to know that the same evaluation is being given to coaching in light of the mistakes. McD has done great things for the Bills, particularly from where he started. He may be better than above average, he may be very good. But is he good enough to win championships? Not just get lucky once, maybe?? Is he Derek Carr or Ryan Tannehill? Beane has to figure that out. He did it this past season in a much lesser way when he made a move to upgrade backup QB with Tribusky, letting Barclay go. Edited January 26, 2022 by cage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Anyone have a link to this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Look we closed the gap, last year the chiefs game was one sided this year it was a tossup.... now we need to go the rest of the way.... we need a guy on defense the other teams need to gameplay for... somehow someway they need to figure out how to get that guy. 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Anyone have a link to this? buffalo bills.com. Live video 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Just now, gordong said: Look we closed the gap, last year the chiefs game was one sided this year it was a tossup.... now we need to go the rest of the way.... we need a guy on defense the other teams need to gameplay for... somehow someway they need to figure out how to get that guy. Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 44 minutes ago, cage said: I meant outside of Allen and Mahomes (+Watson, but he's not playing). Is that your only contribution to what has been a pretty good debate here? Save it... Why should we put any stock into and listen to what you have to say when you can't get simple facts right? I'm gonna need a more serious answer from you to show you get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakAttack Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, gordong said: Look we closed the gap, last year the chiefs game was one sided this year it was a tossup.... now we need to go the rest of the way.... we need a guy on defense the other teams need to gameplay for... somehow someway they need to figure out how to get that guy. buffalo bills.com. Live video I'm going to the Videos section on Bills site, but i don't see any "Live" link or text.... is it just going to pop up when it officially goes live? or am I missing something. If anyone has a direct URL that be cool. This will be the first Buffalo Bills media I've allowed myself to watch since the game. Haven't watched the post game pressers (first time I haven't done that, ever) Haven't watched the highlights and possibly never will (another first for me) But, I'd really like to see Beane's year-end conference... EDIT: Just found it. For anyone else: https://www.buffalobills.com/video/bills-live Edited January 26, 2022 by BobBelcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Process Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 "I don't see us being big spenders" - Beane on FA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Hearing Beane’s voice is soothing 1 minute ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Anyone else having connection issues or is it just my work internet that sucks? It’s on WGR via Audacy app too, very clear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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