Brandon Beane Season Ending Presser Weds 1/27

[SydneyBillsFan]

I would just like to hear his thoughts on why the 16th-ranked KC defense got more pressure on Josh than the top-ranked defense got on Mahomes after drafting 3 edge rushers in the first 2 rounds.

[Big Blitz]

5 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

I was amazed and encouraged by how well the OL pass blocked against the Chiefs. Didn’t hear at all from Chris Jones or Frank Clark really, though Ingram made a few plays. What do you do in this situation? A finesse OL that doesn’t run block well, but can pass block efficiently. Who do you look to upgrade? Bates? He wasn’t at all a weakness. Is Morse sticking around?

 

 

Agreed the middle of the line played well - and it makes you reconsider how big a need Guard suddenly is.  It is a need but I no longer call it vital like we did in week 8.

 

I think you draft the best Center you can maybe play him at guard for a year to eventually move.  

 

Draft 1 or 2 interior oline.  

 

Draft 2 DBs.  Draft a WR and RB. 

 

I'd prioritize Corner then interior oline - but if the corners at 25 are not so certain and a stud Center is there, I'm taking the stud Center.  

[Mark Vader]

22 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

great, more average additions to the D, and more average results and an early playoff exit.  Sucks for Josh to have to watch that shi* show from the sidelines.  

 

I'm not absolving the horrendous coaching at all.  It's really both, personnel and coaching.  If you hire Frazier, who only really rushes 4, you need a stud DE.  And our strategy was to draft one and hope he was a day 1 stud.  Mind boggling.  

Not being big spenders could also mean that we aren't spending everything.

 

A lot can change from now and St. Patrick's Day.

[Big Blitz]

7 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

I would just like to hear his thoughts on why the 16th-ranked KC defense got more pressure on Josh than the top-ranked defense got on Mahomes after drafting 3 edge rushers in the first 2 rounds.

 

 

Because the Chiefs (I'll keep saying this) moved heaven and earth to upgrade their oline after it collapsed last year.

 

I want that kind of focus on our weaknesses this off season.

 

Imo the 2021 off season was an overall failure bc we didn't improve enough we still lost 7 total games.

Edited January 26, 2022 by Big Blitz

[finn]

8 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

I would just like to hear his thoughts on why the 16th-ranked KC defense got more pressure on Josh than the top-ranked defense got on Mahomes after drafting 3 edge rushers in the first 2 rounds.

I suspect he might not address how KC drafted a pro bowl level center right after we picked Basham and later a starting-quality guard for I think a 6th round pick, in addition to upgrading both tackle spots. No need to point out how KC was one step ahead of him again. 

[SydneyBillsFan]

18 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Because the Chiefs (I'll keep saying this) moved heaven and earth to upgrade their oline after it collapsed last year.

 

I want that kind of focus on our weaknesses this off season.

 

Imo the 2021 off season was an overall failure bc we didn't improve enough we still lost 7 total games.

 

OK, so they upgraded their O-line. But Beane used 3 top-60 picks on edge guys alone and, as harsh as it may sound, they were not even a blip on the sack radar. 

 

Given that the 2021 draft strategy was to get guys who could put more pressure on Mahomes, I would say that the type of edge rushers drafted do not appear to be up to it (I know they are young) and the spotlight should probably be on the scouting department - that is what I would like to hear him dissect.

[MWK]

43 minutes ago, Process said:

Beasley

Star

Klien

Davis

Brown

????

 

I don't expect the first three to be on the team next year. Probably doesn't matter anymore anyways, I doubt there will be any restrictions/daily testing.

Poyer

29 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Because the Chiefs (I'll keep saying this) moved heaven and earth to upgrade their oline after it collapsed last year.

 

I want that kind of focus on our weaknesses this off season.

 

Imo the 2021 off season was an overall failure bc we didn't improve enough we still lost 7 total games.

We did nothing. Adding Sanders, Rousseau, and Basham was it, and look at the results. We need changes!!! I hope we take your suggestion

[YoloinOhio]

39 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I’d like another disruptor who can pressure from the interior. Oliver is the only one on roster who gives you that consistently. Would like to add someone next to him

He said he is looking to add to the DL

[Big Blitz]

2 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

 

OK, so they upgraded their O-line. But Beane used 3 top-60 picks on edge guys alone and, as harsh as it may sound, they were not even a blip on the sack radar. 

 

Given that the 2021 draft strategy was to get guys who could put more pressure on Mahomes, I would say that the type of edge rushers drafted do not appear to be up to it (I know they are young) and the spotlight should probably be on the scouting department - that is what I would like to hear him dissect.

 

 

Yea I'm not disagreeing with you.

 

But Basham and Rousseau are the wild cards next year.  If they turn out the way Beane felt they can, this defense could become nasty real quick. 

 

AJ appears to be a bust but as a 2nd round pick it is what it is.  And a late 2nd.  We say we keep going BPA but it sure does seem like we are drafting for need first. 

 

We passed on Dobbins, AJ Dillon, and Antonio Gibson for Epenessa.  Then picked Moss in round 3. 

[TPS]

51 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

I don't think Levi is going to come cheap. 

 

I read an article about him on the Athletic and Levi views himself as one of the Best Off Ball corners since Tre went down. 

Couple that with his Agent basically saying the Bills looked every which way to upgrade him the past two years, I think his agent and him have taken the mindset that you want to keep me, show me the money. 

They let him test the market last year, and he came back.  They will most likely let him see what he can get again, then decide if they should make him an offer.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Original live link from Buffalobills.com not working

 

Link I found on Bills Facebook site that seems working:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=watch_permalink&v=343520150765212

 

You may need a Facebook account to access this

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Original live link from Buffalobills.com not working

 

Link I found on Bills Facebook site that seems working:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=watch_permalink&v=343520150765212

 

You may need a Facebook account to access this

The twitter post from upthread should work, just click play

 

fyi it is 70 minutes long 

 

 

[Nitro]

With 16 UFA and the draft, he and his team will be busy.  I watched and I am confident he will do his best to stock the roster with players to get this team over the top.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

58 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

I don't think Levi is going to come cheap. 

 

I read an article about him on the Athletic and Levi views himself as one of the Best Off Ball corners since Tre went down. 

Couple that with his Agent basically saying the Bills looked every which way to upgrade him the past two years, I think his agent and him have taken the mindset that you want to keep me, show me the money. 

 

I'm sure that's what his mindset and his agent's mindset is, but the fact is, the Bills were not really "looking every which way" to replace Wallace the past two years.  They took a flier on an aging corner who played great in McD's system when in his prime for $6M (which seems to be some kind of sweet spot Beane is willing to pay for a 1 yr FA).  They drafted a CB in the 7th round last year who made the team, and a CB in the 6th round this past year who didn't.

 

Absolutely Wallace outplayed all those guys, but it's not exactly leaping over a star-studded heap.

 

Leslie Frazier FWIW gave Wallace a strong endorsement saying "I don't think he's reached his peak yet"

 

Spotrac sets Wallace's "market value" at 3 years, $17M or $5.7M/yr.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

30 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He said he is looking to add to the DL

 

The questions about the DL was, IMHO, one of the more interesting parts of the press conference. 

 

Beane was asked, considering the resources that have been put into the DL and the pass rush essentially did he feel that he'd gotten a good ROI?

He pretty much said "not really".  Said "some games and not others"; said consistently not as much as he wanted.  Then said he'll always put resources into DL because he believes in building up front.

 

I would have loved to hear some follow-up questions about if you put so many resources into it and didn't get the return you expected, how will you change that?

 

Also, did anyone hear any questions about AJ Epenesa?  I would have loved to hear some questions about him.

[Mango]

2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

you could be like the chiefs and pay like a $100M for Chris Jones, Frank Clark, Melvin Ingram, and others— and yet have Josh Allen completely and totally Shred them. 
 

With Allen and Mahomes, it doesn’t really matter much who you have out there playing D line. 

And yet the Chiefs have more space this year and next than Buffalo…

[Freddie's Dead]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I just don't agree with this.  We got gashed on the ground v. the Colts to the tune of 45 points.  That mostly on the players.  We failed to do anything against Jax--players.  Coaching is def an issue, but if we had better players, esp. an impact player in the front 7 and a RB1, we would have been the 1 seed and the outcome is much different v. KC.  

 

You're going to have bad days and you can't beat everyone.  Bottom line is we made the tournament and lost because McD stripped a gear.  We're just going to disagree on this one.

[Justin C]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

 

great, more average additions to the D, and more average results and an early playoff exit.  Sucks for Josh to have to watch that shi* show from the sidelines.  

 

 

Ask the Patriots how much spending big on free agency did for them this year.

 

More often then not spending big in free agency does not work out. 

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

12 minutes ago, Mango said:

And yet the Chiefs have more space this year and next than Buffalo…

Technically correct but completely misleading.

Buffalo's Top 51 cap space is $2.8M with 53 players under contract. 

Whereas KC's Top 51 cap space is $21.2M with only 38 players under contract.  So to compare the two situations you'd need to add 13 more players to the Chiefs roster at $1.4M per player to make it equivalent. That's a whole bunch of replacement level free agents with a few decent FA's mixed in. Probably not 13 players better than the Bills bottom 13 already on the roster. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

 

great, more average additions to the D, and more average results and an early playoff exit.  Sucks for Josh to have to watch that shi* show from the sidelines.  

 

I'm not absolving the horrendous coaching at all.  It's really both, personnel and coaching.  If you hire Frazier, who only really rushes 4, you need a stud DE.  And our strategy was to draft one and hope he was a day 1 stud.  Mind boggling.  

Being "big spenders" in FA is fun for the fans. However, spending WISELY in FA is smarter. Finding players that fit your scheme and culture > Overpaying someone for production they had on another team, in another scheme and years prior just because they have a name fans recognize.

[billsfan1959]

29 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The questions about the DL was, IMHO, one of the more interesting parts of the press conference. 

 

Beane was asked, considering the resources that have been put into the DL and the pass rush essentially did he feel that he'd gotten a good ROI?

He pretty much said "not really".  Said "some games and not others"; said consistently not as much as he wanted.  Then said he'll always put resources into DL because he believes in building up front.

 

I would have loved to hear some follow-up questions about if you put so many resources into it and didn't get the return you expected, how will you change that?

 

Also, did anyone hear any questions about AJ Epenesa?  I would have loved to hear some questions about him.

 

It appeared to me that Beane didn't feel the D line played to the level he had anticipated. I wouldn't say I got the impression that he was disappointed, just that he expected more. He is big on always addressing the lines on both sides of the ball and I expect an offseason focus on both.

 

There wasn't one question on Epenesa and he never mentioned him. I did get the impression he is still high on Oliver and Edmunds.

[TPS]

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Obviously you have to get it right… but suggesting it doesn’t work is false. Chiefs and Rams being prime examples. Hell the Rams have sacrificed their draft to be where they are right now…. Rather McBeane be a little risky and bring home a SB then consistently “stay the course” and consistently fail. 

I think you misinterpreted what he said.  All @Bob Chandler's Hands was pointing out, for 2022, KC has only 38 players under contract and the Bills have 53.  The cap is based on the highest paid 51 players, so until KC signs another 13 players, you can't compare their projected cap space for 2022.  I don't believe he was talking strategy of signing, only making a valid comparison.

[ColoradoBills]

I can see how the board will be commenting through the off season with this one thread.

 

I will just ask one question.

The Bills DL personnel as of now.

 

DT:

Star

Ed Oliver

Phillips - UFA who needs to be signed (I guess that encompasses work by Beane)

 

DE:

Rousseau

Epenesa

Basham

Bryant

Love

 

Beane says he has to do some work on the DL and posters say, "why"?  It's pretty obvious that he does.

Imagine what the above roster looks like without last year's DL picks?

KC is #1 in the NFL in 2022 on DL cap spending.  FWIW

If Star retires or is cut the Bills will be about the lowest.

Edited January 26, 2022 by ColoradoBills

[Mango]

32 minutes ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said:

Technically correct but completely misleading.

Buffalo's Top 51 cap space is $2.8M with 53 players under contract. 

Whereas KC's Top 51 cap space is $21.2M with only 38 players under contract.  So to compare the two situations you'd need to add 13 more players to the Chiefs roster at $1.4M per player to make it equivalent. That's a whole bunch of replacement level free agents with a few decent FA's mixed in. Probably not 13 players better than the Bills bottom 13 already on the roster. 

Technically you’re correct but that’s misleading. Your original post was along the lines of “spent a $100M on a handful of starters and get shredded by Josh”. OK. Sure. They won. And they were one of the very best defenses in the league through the back half of the season.

 

We have $2M in space and 53 on the roster after signing a million players to futures.  But we’re talking about how to get a new starting CB, DT, DE, LB, OG and slot receiver with that money. We might lose our starting center to retirement or cap causalty. While totally unsure if we can keep some of our top DE, DT, CB, and slot wide receivers. Meanwhile KC has more space and is pretty locked in at their starting front 7, OL, WR, and TE. 
 

KC seems like they are in a spot to sign a lot of depth players for cheap, because that’s where most of their needs are. Buffalo is trying upgrade like 7 starting positions with $2M. 

Edited January 26, 2022 by Mango

[CincyBillsFan]

Call me dumb but who cares what Bean or McD say a couple days after a painful playoff exit.  There will be nothing of substance said and they are as likley to spend like drunken sailors for the right players as they are to sit back and wait for the draft. 

 

Speaking of the draft don't we get a free middle round pick for losing our assistant GM? And if Daboll and/or Frazier leave won't we be getting more picks? My point is that we may end up with 10 - 12 picks in the upcoming draft.  And this also impacts our FA signings.

 

 

 

 

[eball]

16 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

consistently fail

 

LOL -- make the playoffs every year with a shot to get to the SB.  That's my kind of consistent failure.  Do you ever read what you type before you hit "submit reply?"

 

Beane knows how to manage the cap and isn't going to hamstring the Bills.  Jesus.

[Success]

43 minutes ago, Justin C said:

Ask the Patriots how much spending big on free agency did for them this year.

 

More often then not spending big in free agency does not work out. 

 

Who?

 

Oh, yeah - I forgot about them.  I remember they used to win the division a ways back, now that I think about it.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

28 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

It appeared to me that Beane didn't feel the D line played to the level he had anticipated. I wouldn't say I got the impression that he was disappointed, just that he expected more. He is big on always addressing the lines on both sides of the ball and I expect an offseason focus on both.

 

There wasn't one question on Epenesa and he never mentioned him. I did get the impression he is still high on Oliver and Edmunds.

 

Thanks

 

I also didn't catch it, did he say anything about Harry (Phillips) that I might have missed?

[billsfan1959]

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Thanks

 

I also didn't catch it, did he say anything about Harry (Phillips) that I might have missed?

 

Yeah, he loves Harry and my impression is he would like to have him back. It is going to be a numbers game...

 

Edit: The links in the thread all seemed to cut off early. Here is the full interview (Talks about Harry at 55:33):

 

 

Edited January 26, 2022 by billsfan1959

[ColoradoBills]

8 minutes ago, Mango said:

KC seems like they are in a spot to sign a lot of depth players for cheap, because that’s where most of their needs are. Buffalo is trying upgrade like 7 starting positions with $2M. 

 

It is a challenge and we don't know what Beane will do.

Last year KC went on a huge restructuring run.  Maybe Beane will do some of that.

[pennstate10]

3 hours ago, appoo said:

So Joe Bus made a big deal out of the lack pass of pass rush on that Hill TD - a play where neither AJE nor GR won their battles. That's where a GM earns his money. Does he look at that play and think - well a DE means Mahomes doesn't get off an easy pass, or does he think - a better corner means Hill isn't quite so open

I’m with you Appoo.  Joe B is a really astute reporter. One of the most perceptive in the business. 
 

Bills need edge and CB. In the 1st half, Bills DL was so close to Mahimes numerous times. They just needed a DE who was a tiny bit quicker in pursuit. In the 2nd half, DE were tired and didn’t get nearly as close to Mahoney. 
 

I like Jaquan Brisker as well, but think he’s a luxury the Bills can’t afford right now.

 

Edge rusher who might be available close to Bills draft position is David Ojabo. He has a different skill set than any of the current Bills DE. 

 

the other need for Bills is a speed WR. Bills offense as currently constructed is terrific.  But it is so heavily dependent on Josh to make the big play. A speed receiver could lessen the dependence on Josh to do everything. 
 

Jahan Dotson would be a great fit. Fast, smooth routes, exceptional ball skills. His size (5.11) might push him into the 2nd round. Would be a bargain for the Bills there. 

[Georgia Bill]

Isn't it true that if we had won the Jax or Pittsburgh games, we'd have been playing KC in Buffalo instead?  Just that shift in venue could have given us the tiny edge we needed.  We are so close to KC, I don't think it would be wise to over-react and start ditching coaches or tearing up the roster.   With that said, last year prior to the Super Bowl most were saying no one could slow down KC's offense.  Then the Bucs did with a great defense.  They seemed to have an answer for Kelce in particular.  Why can't we get there?  

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, Georgia Bill said:

Isn't it true that if we had won the Jax or Pittsburgh games, we'd have been playing KC in Buffalo instead?  Just that shift in venue could have given us the tiny edge we needed.  We are so close to KC, I don't think it would be wise to over-react and start ditching coaches or tearing up the roster.   With that said, last year prior to the Super Bowl most were saying no one could slow down KC's offense.  Then the Bucs did with a great defense.  They seemed to have an answer for Kelce in particular.  Why can't we get there?  

 

Tearing it all down is engrained in a lot of fans minds.

[CincyBillsFan]

18 minutes ago, Georgia Bill said:

Isn't it true that if we had won the Jax or Pittsburgh games, we'd have been playing KC in Buffalo instead?  Just that shift in venue could have given us the tiny edge we needed.  We are so close to KC, I don't think it would be wise to over-react and start ditching coaches or tearing up the roster.   With that said, last year prior to the Super Bowl most were saying no one could slow down KC's offense.  Then the Bucs did with a great defense.  They seemed to have an answer for Kelce in particular.  Why can't we get there?  

Agree 100%.

 

In 2020 the Bills lost to the Chiefs 26 - 17 in Buffalo and 38 - 24 in KC.

 

In 2021 the Bills beat the Chiefs 38 - 20 in KC and lost in OT 42 - 36 in KC.

 

We are virtually dead even with them. Win the games in the regular season we should win and hold the game in Rich stadium and we advance and they go home.

 

I would also note that Allen has caught up to and blown by the Chiefs:

 

In 2020 Allen's stats were:  42/75 for 409 yards; 4 TD/2 INT; 15 carries for 130 yards

 

In 2021 Allen's stats were:  42/63 for 644 yards; 7 TD/0 INT; 22 carries for 127 yards & 1 TD

[YoloinOhio]

31 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Tearing it all down is engrained in a lot of fans minds.

I’ll chalk that up to an emotional week. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

LOL -- make the playoffs every year with a shot to get to the SB.  That's my kind of consistent failure.  Do you ever read what you type before you hit "submit reply?"

 

Beane knows how to manage the cap and isn't going to hamstring the Bills.  Jesus.

Scott bases Bills FA on names he knows.

He said the Dolphins and Jets were loaded at WR before this season….

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Scott bases Bills FA on names he knows.

He said the Dolphins and Jets were loaded at WR before this season….

Gabe Davis can only catch the ball if there is a blown coverage 

[MWK]

34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’ll chalk that up to an emotional week. 

Bringing back the same team doesn’t work. Tried that this year and it didn’t work out. Tampa tried it too and failed. You have to make some changes in the NFL and evolve. You can’t just bring back an almost entirely same roster and expect different results. 

[YoloinOhio]

12 minutes ago, MWK said:

Bringing back the same team doesn’t work. Tried that this year and it didn’t work out. Tampa tried it too and failed. You have to make some changes in the NFL and evolve. You can’t just bring back an almost entirely same roster and expect different results. 

I was responding about the people who want to rebuild, not make changes. No team is exactly the same year to year. Rebuilding is a tear down. 

[Pasaluki]

Great presser. Makes me feel much better about the team.