BADOLBILZ Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: They passed on Mahommes in 2017. Maybe the fans were right? Our personal preference for "our guy" doesn't make 1 Lombardi(and perhaps counting), multiple AFC titles and an MVP award for the team we traded Mahomes to go away. It's fixable..........but it's certainly a mess of the Bills own doing that their path to a championship is now twice blocked by said QB they traded to a longtime AFC rival. Point though is that it was never a valid excuse. You don't need more than a few months to identify a QB and decide if he's worthy of selection..........the teams that haven't hired new HC's will still be evaluating QB's...........it was a convenient excuse for a very perculiar situation they put themselves into. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: It's McD's defense. It must be so nice for him that people are putting the blame on the DC, the guy who's an extension of what the head coach wants to do. It may be McDermott's biggest accomplishment here that he's somehow free from any kind of accountability from a sizable chunk of the fanbase. Remember when McD suspended Frasier's D coordinator duties for a game or two? Cause he wasn't doing what was expected. I suspect McD fires Leslie if he doesn't get an HC position somewhere else. McD needs to assume the D coordinator duties unless he can land a Swartz type guy which I doubt. Time for McD to own it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: It's McD's defense. It must be so nice for him that people are putting the blame on the DC, the guy who's an extension of what the head coach wants to do. It may be McDermott's biggest accomplishment here that he's somehow free from any kind of accountability from a sizable chunk of the fanbase. It may be due to the franchise's remarkable top-to-bottom turnaround since the day McD took over, dontcha think? Breaking the playoff drought his first year had a lot to do with his early legitimacy (we all know the way the Bills snuck in and how poor they looked once there, but he got the absolute most out of that roster). And he was largely responsible for bringing in Beane, and consequently #17, so...now the franchise is a legitimate SB contender every year until proven otherwise. Pretty amazing to be in this position after decades of mediocrity. He's likely earned at least two more seasons to win a SB, barring some kind of unforeseen debacle in 2022. The best organizations in the NFL value head coaching consistency. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: Our personal preference for "our guy" doesn't make 1 Lombardi(and perhaps counting), multiple AFC titles and an MVP award for the team we traded Mahomes to go away. It's fixable..........but it's certainly a mess of the Bills own doing that their path to a championship is now twice blocked by said QB they traded to a longtime AFC rival. Point though is that it was never a valid excuse. You don't need more than a few months to identify a QB and decide if he's worthy of selection..........the teams that haven't hired new HC's will still be evaluating QB's...........it was a convenient excuse for a very perculiar situation they put themselves into. WTF is this bro? There's nothing wrong with our QB. Yoou think it's different here if Mahomes is our QB? Love Josh forever! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Our personal preference for "our guy" doesn't make 1 Lombardi(and perhaps counting), multiple AFC titles and an MVP award for the team we traded Mahomes to go away. It's fixable..........but it's certainly a mess of the Bills own doing that their path to a championship is now twice blocked by said QB they traded to a longtime AFC rival. Point though is that it was never a valid excuse. You don't need more than a few months to identify a QB and decide if he's worthy of selection..........the teams that haven't hired new HC's will still be evaluating QB's...........it was a convenient excuse for a very perculiar situation they put themselves into. Plus, do you think Mahomes would have had a similarly fruitful redshirt year here? In KC the coaching was well-established and the team was solid. Mahomes went through a daily QB camp for the entire season, breaking down his mechanics, habits, thought processes...before building them back up again. Allen on the other hand was thrust into the fire (do NOT forget who his offensive coaches were that season...and his offensive "weapons") and he relied upon outside/off-season tutelage to refine his game (at least early on). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, beerme1 said: WTF is this bro? There's nothing wrong with our QB. Yoou think it's different here if Mahomes is our QB? Love Josh forever! Yep, love Josh. But Josh wasn't in the 2017 draft. The Bills reticence to draft a QB on only 5 months notice..........and the subsequent trade of a pick they knew was going to be one of those QB's to a division rival.......for bad draft capital value to boot.........made the Chiefs dynasty possible. And yes, nowadays what is likely 3 straight SB trips and 2 titles would certainly be a dynasty. Maybe in a decade in review they will have come out of the period with more success............but the point is...........you don't decide what draft in which you pick your QB..........you need to always be prepared to pull that trigger when you don't have one. They were fortunate to avoid the fate that Buddy Nix did when he tried to build the team up and then ended up with a draft with EJ and Geno at the top when he was finally comfy enough to make his move. Edited January 26, 2022 by BADOLBILZ 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yep, love Josh. But Josh wasn't in the 2017 draft. The Bills reticence to draft a QB on only 5 months notice..........and the subsequent trade of a pick they knew was going to be one of those QB's to a division rival.......for bad draft capital value to boot.........made the Chiefs dynasty possible. And yes, nowadays what is likely 3 straight SB's and 2 titles would certainly be a dynasty. Maybe in a decade in review they will have come out of the period with more success............but the point is...........you don't decide what draft in which you pick your QB..........you need to always be prepared to pull that trigger when you don't have one. They were fortunate to avoid the fate that Buddy Nix did when he tried to build the team up and then ended up with a draft with EJ and Geno at the top when he was finally comfy enough to make his move. Ok, Buddy was Hell bent to leave us in a good position. We owe him gratitude for that. Unfortunately he decided to do that when EJ was our best option. Whew! We probably wouldn't have drafted Mahomes anyways LOL and actually for the first time in a long time I have to say, I'll be ok if our first pick is CB. But it better be best value on the board and by a large margin. Otherwise we have other needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Plus, do you think Mahomes would have had a similarly fruitful redshirt year here? In KC the coaching was well-established and the team was solid. Mahomes went through a daily QB camp for the entire season, breaking down his mechanics, habits, thought processes...before building them back up again. Allen on the other hand was thrust into the fire (do NOT forget who his offensive coaches were that season...and his offensive "weapons") and he relied upon outside/off-season tutelage to refine his game (at least early on). I don't make the assumption that Patrick Mahomes somehow couldn't succeed in Buffalo anymore than I assumed Allen couldn't succeed in Buffalo. Mahomes is an incredible athlete/player/competitor............if anything he had an edge entering the league because he grew up the son of a long time pro athlete and played in a more sophisticated system in college etc.. That "but he wouldn't have succeeded here" losers lament was always a crutch Bills fans leaned on. Brady couldn't have made it with this team...........Big Ben couldn't have made it in Buffalo...........if they hadn't traded that pick for JP Losman they could have drafted Aaron Rodgers but he couldn't have made it in Buffalo...........Russell Wilson couldn't have made it in Buffalo with that staff...........transcendent talents also elevate their environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimmer323i Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Does this mean Daboll possibly is going to take the Miami job?? Also I read the giants are very high on Flores. Gosh I really hope they both get hired elsewhere I’ve seen enough outta those to I’m ready for some fresh blood… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Bferra13 said: It is and it isn't. Frazier calls the plays and fd us that last 13 seconds. He also looked like a weirdo zombie the whole time the camera panned to him on the sideline like he was a corpse of himself. They'd be insane to hire him, but on the off 5% chance, I'll take what I can get. Frazier will fail no matter where he goes. He was awful as a HC in Minnesota and it seems his current personality is that of Rob Ott. He looks like a standing coma. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I thought to satisfy the Rooney rule only requires 1 interview? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Frazier will fail no matter where he goes. He was awful as a HC in Minnesota and it seems his current personality is that of Rob Ott. He looks like a standing coma. But will keel you with those laser eyes no? Edited January 26, 2022 by beerme1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I don't make the assumption that Patrick Mahomes somehow couldn't succeed in Buffalo anymore than I assumed Allen couldn't succeed in Buffalo. Mahomes is an incredible athlete/player/competitor............if anything he had an edge entering the league because he grew up the son of a long time pro athlete and played in a more sophisticated system in college etc.. That "but he wouldn't have succeeded here" losers lament was always a crutch Bills fans leaned on. Brady couldn't have made it with this team...........Big Ben couldn't have made it in Buffalo...........if they hadn't traded that pick for JP Losman they could have drafted Aaron Rodgers but he couldn't have made it in Buffalo...........Russell Wilson couldn't have made it in Buffalo with that staff...........transcendent talents also elevate their environment. Their rivals keep doing it though! The Chiefs had a hole at left tackle this offseason and the Ravens, thinking they had surplus at the position, traded them Orlando Brown leading up to the draft. The Chiefs ended up with one of the best lines in the league, turning a weakness into a strength. The Ravens’ line meanwhile ended up a shambles. And then Pitt traded them Ingram midseason because Tomlin wanted “volunteers not hostages” and he turned out to be the missing piece for that defense, allowing them to kick Jones inside - that trade helped spark the Chiefs’ late-season defensive turnaround. They were reeling before then. Pitt meanwhile proceeds to lose to them in the playoffs. You’d think their AFC rivals would’ve learned after what the Bills did and would stop making deals with Brett Veach but no - I’m sure he’s already scanning the rosters of the Colts, Dolphins and Browns looking for some cherries to pick… 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, billieve420 said: I think I would like to see McDermott call plays on defense. When he took play calling away from Frazier for like that 1 game they were much more aggressive. Yes! I think it was a couple game span but it was super impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 21 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I don't make the assumption that Patrick Mahomes somehow couldn't succeed in Buffalo anymore than I assumed Allen couldn't succeed in Buffalo. Mahomes is an incredible athlete/player/competitor............if anything he had an edge entering the league because he grew up the son of a long time pro athlete and played in a more sophisticated system in college etc.. That "but he wouldn't have succeeded here" losers lament was always a crutch Bills fans leaned on. Brady couldn't have made it with this team...........Big Ben couldn't have made it in Buffalo...........if they hadn't traded that pick for JP Losman they could have drafted Aaron Rodgers but he couldn't have made it in Buffalo...........Russell Wilson couldn't have made it in Buffalo with that staff...........transcendent talents also elevate their environment. Hey, I'm mostly asking questions that I think shouldn't be overlooked. Circumstances have SO MUCH to do with any given player's success, but especially at the QB position. How things ultimately do turn out for young QBs in the NFL don't necessarily reflect the only way they could have happened. How many highly-regarded prospects could have benefitted from a complete redshirt rookie season and excellent one-on-one coaching, with elite weapons already flourishing in a dynamic scheme waiting for him once he took the field in year two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, beerme1 said: I like this. It also makes McDermott sink or swim. I think he swims though honestly. He's good with a lot of things and not so much with others. But I think him adding this to his duties would suit his personality to a tee. It would also leave no doubt about his skill set. I think he can handle it for a few years before burn out sets in. McDermott can groom someone while promoting from within during this transition period if Frazier leaves. Super bowl window may never be as big as it is now. McDermott needs to slay the KC dragon next year. It is no longer about making the playoffs. McDermott/Beane should be graded on getting this team to the Super Bowl. Edited January 26, 2022 by billieve420 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 'tell us how you will move the franchise forward in 13 seconds' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: It's McD's defense. It must be so nice for him that people are putting the blame on the DC, the guy who's an extension of what the head coach wants to do. It may be McDermott's biggest accomplishment here that he's somehow free from any kind of accountability from a sizable chunk of the fanbase. McDermott is not absolved of any blame. He is CEO of team and owns failures in all 3 phases of the game. Defense, Offense, and Special teams. However, I have seen enough of Frazier led defenses not just with the Bills that he is conservative by nature. Edited January 26, 2022 by billieve420 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, billieve420 said: McDermott is not absolved of any blame. He is CEO of team and owns failures in all 3 phases of the game. Defense, Offense, and Special teams. However, I have seen enough of Frazier led defenses not just with the Bills that he is conservative by nature. We've lost to Mahomes. The guy averages like 40 points a game vs the AFC in the playoffs. People are overreacting. The defense has been very good without an elite front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 4 hours ago, billieve420 said: Honestly think it was Frazier’s conservative nature which hurt the Bills down the stretch in that Chief’s game and here is hoping he gets one of these HC openings. One of his former players even seemed to indicate this. Former Viking linebacker Ben Leber said on radio here in MN the other morning that Leslie Frazier used to call such conservative defense late in games, players discussed in-huddle changing the call on the fly. Looks like he still calls it that way… Sadly he will not receive any HC offer and we will be stuck with this loser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 There is no way they hire Frazier. Daboll or Flores will be the guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Schoen Like the game hold your excitement, I guarantee no team is hiring this clown retread. We're stuck with his him until he decides retire. Joe Schoen just doing him a favour with second interview to make it seem like he is in demand. Trust the process....... no owner hiring this guy who is your classic old retread coach Edited January 26, 2022 by Niagara Dude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: It’s mcdermott’s Defense no matter who is calling plays Bring in Fangio. That would be an instant upgrade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 4 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: Let him be the one they hire in New York. Comp picks and Frazier gone (sadly think it’s the only way) I just spit water all over my phone!! 😄😄😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 The NYC media & fans are the worst, YOU WILL BE SORRY Good Luck to both, "Youse on the Ropes" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entropyrules Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 6 hours ago, JohnNord said: Hail Murray was not Leslie’s fault. Mario Addison failed to contain, Murray threw a perfect pass and Hopkins made a perfect catch. The Bills best 3 pass defenders were on Hopkins. Can’t ask for much more than that wish they had done what some teams do and put a tight back there on D so they have a 6'6" guy defending that pass..of course not sure if Knox or Smith (I think he was on the team at that time) would have known what todo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said: There is no way they hire Frazier. Daboll or Flores will be the guy. Shut up and pray they do 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Schoen Oh please God let this happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuartjohn Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 9 hours ago, Saint Doug said: Please take Frazier instead of Daboll. Please. I’ll pray to the football gods. God is that the truth! Leslie is guaranteed to learn from the 13 second debacle- hopefully it’s with the Giants! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Frazier will not be fired before all head coaching jobs are filled. no chance the Bills will risk losing comp picks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 38 minutes ago, Stuartjohn said: God is that the truth! Leslie is guaranteed to learn from the 13 second debacle- hopefully it’s with the Giants! There is no way New York media and fans would accept the Giants hiring Frazier, this is just Joe Schoen trying to get Frazier's name get out there so he will have a chance at one of the other HC openings. Maybe had he prepared his defence better and not been so whimpy to close out that game he would be getting serious consideration , but there is no NFL team interested in Frazier other then to fill out league obligation so I do see him getting other interviews coming and then a majority of Bills fans praying he gets hired to get his pathetic bend but don't break defence out of town. Before his apologists come talking about his # defensive ratings, tell me about the last 3 playoff years and how our defence gave up leads in all 3 games. I pray he gets hired and would love to be wrong because there are a lot of talented defensive coaches on the market and that is what this Bills teams really needs. If the Pegulas were not so soft they would be asking Sean to replace Frazier right now. IMHO. Even Marv Levy replaced dc coordinators on those Super Bowls teams , the fact is defence is the weak link on this team right now and I don't care about fake rankings. 8 minutes ago, Chaos said: Frazier will not be fired before all head coaching jobs are filled. no chance the Bills will risk losing comp picks. Are you suggesting that after all HC positions are filled he will be replaced? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I feel like this is an indictment of how marketable the Giants job is. The roster is terrible, and is the cap space. Going there for a coach could be the last time you get a HC job. Why would a younger guy do that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 This tells me Daboll doesn't want it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: This tells me Daboll doesn't want it. Not exactly an irrational decision. Would you want to go from driving a Ferrari every day to trying to jump-start a 98 Civic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I live in NJ and the speculation here with the media/fans is it will be either Daboll or Flores who gets the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 10 hours ago, JohnNord said: Hail Murray was not Leslie’s fault. Mario Addison failed to contain, Murray threw a perfect pass and Hopkins made a perfect catch. The Bills best 3 pass defenders were on Hopkins. Can’t ask for much more than that Not singling you out, because others in this thread have essentially said the same as you, but it's not so much the Hail Murray itself that was the issue, but the plays leading up to it. The D handed the Cards 32 yards in only 23 seconds ....it should have never come down to a Hail Mary. Regardless, I don't think that NYG (or any another NFL franchise) will hire Frazier as a HC, after Sunday night. I think Schoen is floating Frazier's name out there as a favor to his former DC, and to possibly entice other teams to interview him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Greg S said: I live in NJ and the speculation here with the media/fans is it will be either Daboll or Flores who gets the job. Both guys will have options. It's not always about who the team wants, the coach needs to want to go there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Just now, Back2Buff said: Both guys will have options. It's not always about who the team wants, the coach needs to want to go there too. Very true. I am just saying the speculation here with the media and fans is Daboll or Flores. Of course that means nothing and we will see how this plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: This tells me Daboll doesn't want it. Makes sense. It seems like Daboll has been pretty picky over the years, and that is not necessarily a bad thing. There are better coaching situations out there, and I am not sure he is totally built for New York media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Not singling you out, because others in this thread have essentially said the same as you, but it's not so much the Hail Murray itself that was the issue, but the plays leading up to it. The D handed the Cards 32 yards in only 23 seconds ....it should have never come down to a Hail Mary. Regardless, I don't think that NYG (or any another NFL franchise) will hire Frazier as a HC, after Sunday night. I think Schoen is floating Frazier's name out there as a favor to his former DC, and to possibly entice other teams to interview him. Thanks for clarifying that for me. I forgot about the plays before the catch. Coaching searches are always strange because you never what’s real or BS, but despite all the Daboll smoke, it was reported that NYG was doing their due diligence by asking assistants and trainers about Flores. Maybe this is a standard procedure for all candidates but it does make you wonder if Flo is a dark horse candidate. 9 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said: Not exactly an irrational decision. Would you want to go from driving a Ferrari every day to trying to jump-start a 98 Civic? Whatever coach goes to NYG won’t be married to Daniel Jones long term. He was drafted under a regime that’s not longer there and if he sucks I doubt they’ll object to moving into a new direction. Of Course, the worst case scenario is a Tua season. Where he puts up decent stats against bad team to create the illusion that he is more competent that he really is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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