Tulsabillsfanz Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Lionel Hutz said: Stop. We couldn’t stop them with 13 seconds left in regulation. 3 straight drives we couldn’t stop the Chiefs. We would have scored another TD ( KC couldn’t stop us, either). Then we could’ve gone for 2 to decide the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 ....Ironically, KC proposed this rule change a couple years ago....no takers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Yeah. In general, I think the team that wins the flip only has a relatively slight advantage - they win something like 53%. But with the offenses cooking like they were in the second half tonight, I would have to say winning the flip gives you an enormous advantage - maybe more like an 80% chance. We have OT in the regular season just because fans hate tie games so it doesn't really matter that much. But in the playoffs? No. Each team needs to be given at least one possession. We don't want teams advancing by coin flip. 2 minutes ago, Tulsabillsfanz said: We would have scored another TD ( KC couldn’t stop us, either). Then we could’ve gone for 2 to decide the game. And that would add a whole new interesting dimension to OT. Does the team that scores first go for 2? If not, does the team behind by 7 go for 2 if they score? That kind of stuff is interesting ... sudden death deprives the game of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Zerovoltz said: ....Ironically, KC proposed this rule change a couple years ago....no takers. PFT is on board, nice essay laying out the fundamental inequity of this current version: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/23/overtime-rule-undermines-nfls-best-weekend-ever/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Seems three years Andy Reid thought it was unfair too! “I think everybody wants a chance for guys to do what they do," Veach told Pro Football Talk. "I don’t really see the downside of having that. Especially when you have a player like Pat Mahomes. It would have been a lot of fun. I think people, if they weren’t already tuned in for a great game, would have turned on that overtime.” https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2019/03/01/andy-reid-chiefs-nfl-overtime-rule-patriots-afc-championship-guaranteed-possession Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 The playoff rules don’t need to change! Defenses need to make a damn stops. Problem solved. We had 2 chances to stop KC and we blew it both times 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel Hutz Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Tulsabillsfanz said: We would have scored another TD ( KC couldn’t stop us, either). Then we could’ve gone for 2 to decide the game. We won the toss in the Bucs game and didn’t score. There’s no guarantee you score. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 6 hours ago, Sweats said: Well, we cant change the rules just cause our team lost, which they should have won, but ****** playcalling and a sieve for a D just aint gonna cut it in championship games. Dont blame the rules, blame the coaches. The coaching was an embarrassment and the NFL OT rules are stupid. These things aren't mutually exclusive. They shouldn't change the rule because the Bills lost. Change the rule because it's stupid, it's always been stupid; it was so stupid they changed it and made it slightly less stupid, but it's still stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) I've felt this way since the Pats beat the Chiefs in OT four years ago. I'm fine with the OT rule during the regular season but have them play a quarter in the postseason. If it's still tied then do first score wins. We were up three with 13 seconds though so I'm not really that concerned about it. Edited January 24, 2022 by Doc Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffbigalls Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Big Blitz said: No our coaches are an embarrassment 8 hours ago, Nextmanup said: The kickoff decision was criminal...I get that. But it is Mickey Mouse and amateurish to let the game end with only 1 team touching the ball on offense, especially in a game like this. I wouldn't be surprised if the rule is changed this off season because of this game. No it won't be changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Seems three years Andy Reid thought it was unfair too! “I think everybody wants a chance for guys to do what they do," Veach told Pro Football Talk. "I don’t really see the downside of having that. Especially when you have a player like Pat Mahomes. It would have been a lot of fun. I think people, if they weren’t already tuned in for a great game, would have turned on that overtime.” https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2019/03/01/andy-reid-chiefs-nfl-overtime-rule-patriots-afc-championship-guaranteed-possession Yes, and tried to change them - the other franchises voted it down. Someone said that the Bills voted against the proposal; if so we reap what we’ve sown. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 You obviously missed the curse that is the Buffalo Bills. If they change the ot rules, in a game like this, we would score first and then Mahomes would have tied the game, and we would still have found a way to lose. IT DOESN'T MATTER. WE ARE THE BUFFALO BILLS. WE DEFINE NEW WAYS TO LOSE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 You do realise, if they do change them, we’ll be taken to OT next year, score a touchdown on the opening drive and still find a way to lose it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 7 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: ....Ironically, KC proposed this rule change a couple years ago....no takers. You and Pats fans are in the same thread, I am trying to understand what that implies. You have admitted you joined this Bills board years ago to troll. Doubt your overall mentality has changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 9 hours ago, Warcodered said: It sucks, and the narrative that Mahomes beat Allen is going to be bull####, they just won the coin toss. They won because the D **** the bed. 13 seconds. Just defend for 13 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entropyrules Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 The only fix that is needed is to never have a Sabres game on Friday or Saturday before a Bills playoff game. Its obvious that a Sabres win will always doom the Bills chances of winning a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, UKBillFan said: Yes, and tried to change them - the other franchises voted it down. Someone said that the Bills voted against the proposal; if so we reap what we’ve sown. We reap what we sow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackngolddigger Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 IMO, about the only thing that would be "fair" would be playing extra quarters until there's a winner. Maybe keep the current structure for regular season and do it different for the playoffs, similar to the NHL. Personally, I don't have a big problem with the current set up. If you can't get the job done in 60 minutes then you're potentially leaving your fate up to a coin toss. With that said, I was rooting for you guys. Was sad to see you borrowed our defense for this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 That the game ends if the first team to get the ball scores a TD is dumb. Been saying this for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, Doc said: That the game ends if the first team to get the ball scores a TD is dumb. Been saying this for years. It's never made sense. NFL OT needs a serious overhaul. Just play another quarter and see who is winning at the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Greg S said: They won because the D **** the bed. 13 seconds. Just defend for 13 seconds. Yeah but that resulted in a tie, the coin toss is what gave the Chiefs a chance to win without having to deal with Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Misguided anger. The rule is fine the way it is. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 On 1/24/2022 at 10:22 AM, BTB said: Misguided anger. The rule is fine the way it is. Since the OT rule change in 2010, there have been ELEVEN (11) playoff games that went to overtime. In those eleven, the teams that won the coin toss are 10-1! TEN AND ONE! You don't see an issue there, huh? It's a HUGE issue and watch! It might well be addressed this off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I don't understand why an additional 15 minute quarter can not be played. No sudden death, no complicated each team gets 'x' possessions. Keep it simple. If two playoff teams get to a tie game, make them play for whole quarter to figure it out. Give the offense/ defense/ ST/ analytics a chance to work it out on the field. The Bills and Chiefs were tied at half time, they were tied at regulation. Play another full quarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Even Andy Reid said it needs to be changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 Just now, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said: I don't understand why an additional 15 minute quarter can not be played. No sudden death, no complicated each team gets 'x' possessions. Keep it simple. If two playoff teams get to a tie game, make them play for whole quarter to figure it out. Give the offense/ defense/ ST/ analytics a chance to work it out on the field. The Bills and Chiefs were tied at half time, they were tied at regulation. Play another full quarter. This is basically what I would advocate. If the teams are exhausted, great! Should be easier to score and resolve the game. But let the game be decided by full service, normal, football on the field, not a random coin toss. No need for gimmicks either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said: I don't understand why an additional 15 minute quarter can not be played. No sudden death, no complicated each team gets 'x' possessions. Keep it simple. If two playoff teams get to a tie game, make them play for whole quarter to figure it out. Give the offense/ defense/ ST/ analytics a chance to work it out on the field. The Bills and Chiefs were tied at half time, they were tied at regulation. Play another full quarter. No kicking extra points after TD's, must always go for 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) The Overtime rule is stupid. Give each a chance of possession unless the on the first possession the defense scores a TD. Otherwise let each team have a chance, If they both score TDs then it becomes sudden death. The NFL can be so crotchety about doing the simplest rule change. Back when I started watching football in the 70s the NFL didnt have a 2 pt conversion and bizarrely resisted adopting it until 1994 for no apparent reason (even though other leagues had it). Same with instant replay the NFL resisted it then adopted it then inexplicably got rid of it in the 90s only to bring it back. I really dont get what the reasoning is for not changing the OT rules. You want unfairness? you want the game to end as quick as possible so we can rush everybody out of the stadium? Makes no sense! Edited January 26, 2022 by Livinginthepast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimmer323i Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) On 1/23/2022 at 10:04 PM, Big Blitz said: No our coaches are an embarrassment The coaches and that sorry sack of a *hit number 1 defense let us down all day long and at the end… I’m more disgusted over the loss of this game than all the super bowl losses music city miracle all of them… This one tops em all for me….When I saw 13 seconds left on the clock I just had that gut feeling they were gonna blow it and sure enough….people wonder why we don’t get respect and people are always pick against us to lose is because of *hit like this Edited January 26, 2022 by Bimmer323i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 14 minutes ago, Bimmer323i said: The coaches and that sorry sack of a crap number 1 defense let us down all day long and at the end… I’m more disgusted over the loss of this game than all the super bowl losses music city miracle all of them… This one tops em all for me….When I saw 13 seconds left on the clock I just had that gut feeling they were gonna blow it and sure enough…. Agree 1000% I guess as a parent seeing your kids going from pure excitement and joy; embracing you jumping up and down in the living room like all of Bills nation, to looking at you completely devastated wanting you to make it all make sense and explain how that just happened in a matter of minutes hits you different. My 12 year old - which btw is how old I was when wide right happened. He's got this way of trying to keep ME optimistic and positive. Which I usually am. He's spent the last 2 days telling me that Gabe Davis and Diggs is going to be unstoppable. I'm my Dad's age when wide right happened fwiw. All comes full circle in Buffalo I guess. But I believe in Josh Allen. That has not changed since I called him must see TV during his last 6 games in his rookie year. He's built different. I know I'm not the only one that I think just witnessed him go from the "fun, goofy, one of the fellas guys" to complete assassin mode in the last 5 minutes of that game. Like he just realized he can be the best to ever play and wants to be. The look and demenear changed. I think he's still going to be Josh in his core that teammates love, but he looks like he's ready to go full Brady/Kobe/Jordan on the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 I have been thinking about this for a few days now, seeing as how the OT rules are already better than they used to be. If you asked me to come up with a new system tomorrow here is what I would propose: OT would result in each team getting at least one possession to score points. The team that gets the ball first may punt, score a field goal, or a touchdown. The second team must beat the previous teams points: 1. if the first team punted, the second team can kick a field goal to win. 2. If the first team kicked a field goal, the second team must score a touchdown to win. 3. If the first team scored a touchdown, the second team must also score a touchdown AND a 2 point conversion to win. The only way to end the game without each team getting a possession is if the first team gives up a safety on their possession, or if they go downfield, score a touchdown AND a 2 point conversion themselves. If they convert the 2 points they win, if they fail they only score 6 and the second team can then simply score a touchdown to win. High risk/reward. if each team has a possession in which they both punt, the next team to score any points is the winner. I’m not sure how good this works but in my head it seems to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 On 1/23/2022 at 10:02 PM, Nextmanup said: In a crazy game like that where everyone is scoring all the time, you HAVE to give BOTH TEAMS the ball at least once! We win the coin toss and maybe Josh flies down and scores..he was totally en fuego the whole 4th quarter. Can't finish a game of this magnitude with only 1 team touching the ball in OT. Play 5 minutes or something. The problem is the complaints will never stop. So let's say you give the Bills a possession after, they score a TD, still tied. Then the Chiefs score again and win, now everyone complains the coin toss all decided the game because the Chiefs got 2 possessions. If you don't want overtime, play to win in regulation. Instead of kicking 1 to go up 3, go for 4. The Chiefs were gassed, demoralized, you could have walked in there on 2. Then McDermott could have played his prevent defense to avoid a TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 Jim Nantz weighs in on the OT situation: "There are a few occasions a year, maybe not even that, where you walk away and feel a hole in your heart. Because the effort was so big on one side and you can't believe it wasn't enough to win," NFL on CBS play-by-play man Jim Nantz told the Maggie and Perloff show on Wednesday. "I'm not trying to shortchange the Bengals, but if they had figured out a way to win at Arrowhead, done it, come home, I would've liked Buffalo [in the AFC Championship Game]. "And now you put them in the Super Bowl. You know SoFi Stadium would've been, basically, the biggest convention of the Bills Mafia in years. You guys would've owned the stadium... It was just a shame that Josh and the Bills didn't get a chance to match it. And I really believe now, after seeing how many people are talking about [overtime rules], there's going to be change. Doesn't do the Bills any good now, but I do think it needs to be modified." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 On 1/23/2022 at 9:05 PM, Steptide said: I've said this for 10 years. Put 10 mins on the clock and let em play in ot And then if it ends in a tie I propose each team's QB gets 3 throws from the 20. Longest throw wins the game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 I'd like to see a 10 minute overtime period after... I'd also like the game to just... pick up where it leaves off. No coin toss. Go to a quick commercial and keep playing. Still tied after 10? Do another 10. Thats my OT idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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