JaCrispy Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Wow, my bad. When I read the NFL rule I didn't see the part about minority executives & coaches. So which means we'll probably get no picks. Not your fault, at all, for not knowing that the NFL has rules based on race...😉 It’s a very “cringe” thing to talk about...and every time a minority candidate gets a promotion, the first thing people will think of, is that teams and fans are more happy getting the draft picks than losing the coach...what an embarrassment for the minority coach... Edited January 30, 2022 by JaCrispy 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 29 minutes ago, streetkings01 said: 407 total yards for the Colts, but somehow WGR praises him for this game when people bring up his shortcomings in the playoffs when games really matter. Outside of the Ravens and Patriots game Frazier has been garbage in the playoffs! And pretty easy to coach defense when your offense gets a TD on EVERY drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Looks like you might have to wait Dolphins are the only remaining team that has interviewed him, and that was on 1/16 after the NE game and before the KC meltdown Nothing about a 2nd interview https://www.profootballrumors.com/2022/01/2022-nfl-head-coaching-search-tracker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 On 1/23/2022 at 9:57 PM, Bermuda Triangle said: worst #1 ranked defense ever? Also, the decision to not squib with :13 left was mind-numbingly dumb. Bills-y. You can't wait? How are you not going to wait? Frazier did not rate the defense. And Frazer did not make definition to not quit. Post is mind-numbingly dumb. And frankly insulting. This is why I degree when they say Buffalo has best fans in NFL. More specifically the worst fans counteract the good ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, Limeaid said: You can't wait? How are you not going to wait? Frazier did not rate the defense. And Frazer did not make definition to not quit. Post is mind-numbingly dumb. And frankly insulting. This is why I degree when they say Buffalo has best fans in NFL. More specifically the worst fans counteract the good ones. To be fair, I’m guessing it was an overly emotional reaction in the moment. It happens. I’d like to think that moment has passed and there is a realization that we were probably a top three team in the league, and we lost in OT to another top three team in a CRAZY way. $%#^ happens. Life moves on. Keep your top three thing going on, and one day you find yourself on top. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToBillsFan Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 For me nothing tops the Patriots game where they ran 45 times and we couldn’t stop it. I’m afraid McDermott has a lot more power than most people realize and it’s his defense we’re running. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, billrooter said: Go back and look at the qbs we faced this year, that is a huge reason. Think about the games the defense was exposed and how badly it was exposed, we play a defense where a team that has a good/great QB can expose it easily and it has happened multiple times and I'm not even mentioning the running teams. It is to freaking conservative, KC ripped this defense all night and no adjustments were made. The coaching pissed away a game this weekend in a year to me that seems a super bowl would've been more attainable that is has been in years. A decent QB can pick this team apart. Agreed. Until we have an aggressive shut down defense, winning a super bowl will be difficult. Edited January 30, 2022 by longtimebillsfan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 30, 2022 Author Share Posted January 30, 2022 7 hours ago, Augie said: To be fair, I’m guessing it was an overly emotional reaction in the moment. It happens. I’d like to think that moment has passed and there is a realization that we were probably a top three team in the league, and we lost in OT to another top three team in a CRAZY way. $%#^ happens. Life moves on. Keep your top three thing going on, and one day you find yourself on top. A week later, and I still would prefer that Frazier move on. I wanted him gone after last season as well. It's all well and good that the defense shows out against the likes of Davis Mills, Mike White, Trever Siemian, etc., but come the post-season, when the defense faces good teams - with, presumably, good QBs (New England with Mac Jones being an obvious exception) - Frazier's "bend but don't break" style of defense will not work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 30, 2022 Author Share Posted January 30, 2022 7 hours ago, Limeaid said: You can't wait? How are you not going to wait? Frazier did not rate the defense. And Frazer did not make definition to not quit. Post is mind-numbingly dumb. And frankly insulting. This is why I degree when they say Buffalo has best fans in NFL. More specifically the worst fans counteract the good ones. The "can't wait for Frazier to leave" comment was a figure of speech. I thought that to be fairly obvious, but....I guess not. Just my opinion, but his time here has run its course. Of course, if he's such a great DC (with HC experience to boot!), he should have no problem landing another HC job, right? Speaking of mind-numbingly dumb, I have no idea what the bolded means. I guess the "good fans" like you enjoy watching the defense get picked apart with little to no resistance in the playoffs as the team is eliminated from the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 We can only hope McD and Frazier have learned a painful lesson and never do that again. Not having Tre White in there was my concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Don't hold your breath... If all Bills fans could see what happened with those 13 seconds...so did the rest of the NFL world. Jacksonville Miami...the only one left that gave him an interview...once. Houston Minnesota Las Vegas Raiders NO Saints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) I wanted him gone before Daboll. Rest assured after Leslie’s epic collapse vs KC he’s not being hired anywhere. Edited January 30, 2022 by PayDaBill$ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 15 hours ago, RyanC883 said: Letting Indy RUN for 45 points was also a joke. Frazier plays a vanilla D that gets vanilla results. McD may well evaluate season and decide that it is in the best interests of everyone to part ways with Frazier. So disappointing of an end to 2021 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 13 seconds, Hail Murray, 3 passes.... How many of these losses occur before it becomes a problem in the locker room? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 I’m a little confused as to why it’s not more vocal asking for head after KC. You’d think there would be a serious price to pay. What is the difference between ‘playoff caliber’ and ‘championship caliber’ ? = coaching! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 I wouldn't rule out the Bills firing Frazier after the coaching carousel is complete. But then the question would be who do they hire to replace him? Maybe take a look at Flores? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
out Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Yea if Im Frazier I want out bad. The coach calls the worst ever defense with 13 seconds left and Frazier gets blamed. Also If I'm not mistaken doesn't Bass Move up when he is going to squib? . Mcd should have noticed he was back and called timeout. 4 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 23 minutes ago, tenderland said: Mcd should have noticed he was back and called timeout. It just brings another tear to my eye every time someone mentions we had a timeout or was it even multiple? How freaking good was Allen to lead us the length of the field for a TD in 1:02 and we didn't even burn all of our timeouts in doing so. If only Allen would have had the foresight to throw an incompletion on 1st and 10 from the 19 yard line instead of a TD. You make a valid point that McD as much and possibly more than Frazier is to blame for the defensive formation in the final 13 seconds. At the end of the day though I think a change has to be made. The loss and incompetence was just too devastating to just wipe your hands clean and say "Hey no problem here. Let's run it back." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Another post about the Bills needing to fire a coach who would have thunk it ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted February 5, 2022 Author Share Posted February 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, T master said: Another post about the Bills needing to fire a coach who would have thunk it ? I said nothing about Frazier being fired. I mean, he's such a great defensive coach, with HC experience, so he should have no problem landing another HC job....right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 15 hours ago, tenderland said: Yea if Im Frazier I want out bad. The coach calls the worst ever defense with 13 seconds left and Frazier gets blamed. Also If I'm not mistaken doesn't Bass Move up when he is going to squib? . Mcd should have noticed he was back and called timeout. That was Frazier. McDermott defense is different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 16 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I wouldn't rule out the Bills firing Frazier after the coaching carousel is complete. But then the question would be who do they hire to replace him? Maybe take a look at Flores? I don't think Flores wants to be under a defensive coach and him suing the NFL makes him a bit of a distraction. I also think the team is built for Frazier and McD's defense. The defense is designed to bend not break and also wear you down with the D-line rotation. It's a smart defensive scheme for the modern NFL. It can be frustrating to watch as a fan as it can look "soft" but it is a well designed defense and I don't see them firing Frazier after having the number one defense in the league over a 13 second lapse in the playoffs. Possible but not likely. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimmer323i Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 On 1/23/2022 at 9:57 PM, Bermuda Triangle said: worst #1 ranked defense ever? Also, the decision to not squib with :13 left was mind-numbingly dumb. Bills-y. I’m right there with ya… I’ve seen enough of Frazier… I would take martindale or Swartz right now over him in a heartbeat but I doubt McDermott will get out of his comfort zone…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 His car is still in the driveway, mail box is full 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 17 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: It just brings another tear to my eye every time someone mentions we had a timeout or was it even multiple? How freaking good was Allen to lead us the length of the field for a TD in 1:02 and we didn't even burn all of our timeouts in doing so. If only Allen would have had the foresight to throw an incompletion on 1st and 10 from the 19 yard line instead of a TD. You make a valid point that McD as much and possibly more than Frazier is to blame for the defensive formation in the final 13 seconds. At the end of the day though I think a change has to be made. The loss and incompetence was just too devastating to just wipe your hands clean and say "Hey no problem here. Let's run it back." Honestly the simplest explanation is usually the right one. I think McDermott got so caught up in Josh's game winning td that everything after that got butchered and mismanaged. I don't think he had any plan for the kickoff and the 2 defensive formations were like a drunk guy just screamed "prevent"..."prevent".....We've known for quite some time that McD is great with his culture/process philosophy. But his actual in game decisions are abysmal. As for Frazier, he's too stoic, conservative and mediocre for me. I'd love to see us hire Flores as our DC but the good ole boys club won't allow that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
out Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Flores would be a good choice. I think his players would play hard for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 18 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I wouldn't rule out the Bills firing Frazier after the coaching carousel is complete. But then the question would be who do they hire to replace him? Maybe take a look at Flores? Its just not happening......you dont fire a DC when he had "the number one defense in the NFL" that NEVER happens Now you can debate whether it actually was....which is a separate issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 32 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Its just not happening......you dont fire a DC when he had "the number one defense in the NFL" that NEVER happens Now you can debate whether it actually was....which is a separate issue It was far from the #1 defense, the QB caliber they played was atrocious....and besides Mahomes for 1 game, they lost to the top flight QBs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: It was far from the #1 defense, the QB caliber they played was atrocious....and besides Mahomes for 1 game, they lost to the top flight QBs. Was the caliber of QB that they lost to really that much better, outside of Brady? The corpse of Roethlisberger, Tannehill, Lawrence, Wentz, and Jones... Outside of Brady, and Mahomes in the playoffs, none of those QBs went off on them. The only one of those 5 to even crack 200 yds passing was Tannehill with 216. They lost those games either because their offense was misfiring, special teams directly cost them points in the Steelers and Colts game, and/or at the worst possible time the defense was out of position and gave up huge chunk plays/long TDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 On 1/29/2022 at 9:04 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Looks like you might have to wait Dolphins are the only remaining team that has interviewed him, and that was on 1/16 after the NE game and before the KC meltdown Nothing about a 2nd interview https://www.profootballrumors.com/2022/01/2022-nfl-head-coaching-search-tracker Whether he leaves of his own volition or is showed the door, if there is a better choice available then It needs to happen. Jim Schwartz interviewed for the Giants' DC job which means he would like to get back in that role. Beane should seriously consider taking a look. One thing is for sure, the DC needs to be experienced and not a rising coordinator to ensure a steady hand at critical points of pivotal games 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, transient said: Was the caliber of QB that they lost to really that much better, outside of Brady? The corpse of Roethlisberger, Tannehill, Lawrence, Wentz, and Jones... Outside of Brady, and Mahomes in the playoffs, none of those QBs went off on them. The only one of those 5 to even crack 200 yds passing was Tannehill with 216. They lost those games either because their offense was misfiring, special teams directly cost them points in the Steelers and Colts game, and/or at the worst possible time the defense was out of position and gave up huge chunk plays/long TDs. Just don’t look at the stats look at the points allowed and the 3rd down conversions Tannehill was killing us with all game long. 1 minute ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: Just don’t like at the stats look at the points allowed and the 3rd downs conversions Tannehill was killing with all game long. 5 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: Whether he leaves of his own volition or is showed the door, if there is a better choice available then It needs to happen. Jim Schwartz interviewed for the Giants' DC job which means he would like to get back in that role. Beane should seriously consider taking a look. One thing is for sure, the DC needs to be experienced and not a rising coordinator to ensure a steady hand at critical points of pivotal games I would take in this order Fangio, Zimmer or Schwartz over Frazier all day. Edited February 5, 2022 by NastyNateSoldiers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 1 hour ago, BuffaloBaumer said: It was far from the #1 defense, the QB caliber they played was atrocious....and besides Mahomes for 1 game, they lost to the top flight QBs. I personally dont think it was a number 1 defense...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Frazier needs to go. Simple as that. If you can't perform your job in 13 seconds, you can't perform your job at all. He failed when it mattered most. Seriously, the Bengals...the freakin' Bengals beat the Chiefs offense and are going to the SB? Seriously?? This guy has had PLENTY of chances in the NFL. He's too antiquated. Time to move on, just my opinion... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 I think he had some jobs ready lined up till the choke job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 5 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Its just not happening......you dont fire a DC when he had "the number one defense in the NFL" that NEVER happens Now you can debate whether it actually was....which is a separate issue The Raptors fired Dwayne Casey as head coach the same season as he got Coach of the year. Happens elsewhere but perhaps not in the conservative bone head NFL. The funny thing is that firing him was the beginning of their championship run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 We’re all pretty much on the fire Frazier train I want to go even further coach Washington can hit the door with him. I don’t know how he still has a job he’s horrible we’ve thrown money and picks at the dline and he still can’t get any player on the dline top reach the double digits sack mark. Plus he hasn’t developed anyone on the edge since he’s been here and I know for a fact he’s had a hand in drafting Epenesa, Basham & Rouse. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Especially for those picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWK Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 21 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: We’re all pretty much on the fire Frazier train I want to go even further coach Washington can hit the door with him. I don’t know how he still has a job he’s horrible we’ve thrown money and picks at the dline and he still can’t get any player on the dline top reach the double digits sack mark. Plus he hasn’t developed anyone on the edge since he’s been here and I know for a fact he’s had a hand in drafting Epenesa, Basham & Rouse. Only has a job because he’s buddies with McDermott. If he would fire his friends we would be better off. Our d-line has sucked for two years straight, don’t know why they talk about Washington like he is some genius. Who has he developed or made look good? Exactly. McDermott needs to stop hiring losers who he is friends with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirious Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 One of the things that irritates me about the staff and dline choices is the drafting of small dlineman. I scratch my head in confusion and frustration when McDermott preaches about gap integrity, while we continue to trot out undersized lineman out there. How are you supposed to keep gap integrity when you have small dlineman? Theyre just gonna get thrown around and pushed out of their gaps by bigger olineman. Specifically ones that run gap power run schemes. I'm so off the small lineman train, personally. I hope our current lineman pan out but if I had it my way, my DEs would be 270-280, 3T would be 300-310, and 1T 320-340+ LBs. Having big boys on the dline that can clog up space and don't allow olineman to get leverage is how you keep linebackers free. IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 McD cant fire Frazier if it was his call his D... wouldnt be right 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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