Do you want Daboll to leave for a HC job?

[Andy1]

Statistically, our offense has been fine. Fans always want more but whatever guy they bring in could well have a worse offense in terms of production.  I’d rather keep Josh comfortable and in the same offensive system we have now than start all over. Consistency is a key to winning. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. 

[SirAndrew]

I prefer continuity. Daboll has done a great job, regardless of occasional frustration with his play calling. I’m also not able to fully assess how I feel until the postseason concludes. Daboll brings great schemes, and gave us a complex modern passing game. His Achilles heel has always been outsmarting himself. My greatest concern for today’s game is Daboll going ground and pound because of the weather.
 

I’ll be fully in favor of him taking a head coaching position if he goes that route. Daboll is in a great spot. He’s not getting fired, and likely has head coaching opportunities. He wins either way. I never hope for a guy to get fired, but if our offense sputters in the postseason with Daboll getting too cute, I’d be thrilled to see him take a head coaching position. 

Edited January 15, 2022 by SirAndrew

[bigK14094]

Frazier looks like more of a HC candidate to me than Daboll, but both are on the lists.   When I think of the Dennison year, I think, NO, Daboll needs to stay.  But, of course, he deserves his shot at the HC gig as well.  So, we will have to weather that correction(s) when and if they come.

[Forward Progress]

Do I want Daboll to leave for a HC job?

 

 Only if he can prove to be a descendant of the Cree Tribe, granting the Bills two 3rd rounds comp picks. 

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

While watching the game tonight, just remember that if a play doesn't work, it's not always on Daboll. Players ***** up too. See Jags and 1st NE and games. 

There's also a rock-paper-scissor element to play calling, a randomness that fans don't like to acknowledge. Nobody gets it right all the time. Daboll does do a nice job of giving Allen different options on a play, like do this if it's man but if it's zone you can still do this on the other side of the field.

[Nextmanup]

I wish there was a 4th choice saying "Doesn't really matter one way or the other; if he stays, OK; if he leaves for a HC job, we'll got someone else in that will work OK too."

 

That's my vote.

 

 

[Captain Hindsight]

Guy has been integral in creating one of the best offenses in the league for back to back years, has great rapport with his players and helped make Josh Allen a top 5 QB. Why would I want him to leave?

[bobobonators]

I answered no but i need to qualify my answer:  i dont really think it matters who our OC is bc we have an All Pro, fringe MVP caliber QB. Of course id prefer to keep Daboll than lose him, but if he leaves we are good fellas. We have the QB. It would be a completely different story if we had someone like Fitz at QB or Tyrod. Then we would need as much help as possible to gameplan for every single W. 

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Opinions might change after the game.

 

(during)

[Nextmanup]

21 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Guy has been integral in creating one of the best offenses in the league for back to back years, has great rapport with his players and helped make Josh Allen a top 5 QB. Why would I want him to leave?

Because every time an offensive play doesn't go our way, it's his fault.

 

Don't you read the game threads?

 

😁

[ehfeuh57]

The next guy might run the ball too much so Id have to say keep him.

 

Unless that next guy is Dorsey and he can actually take this system and even improve it, but who knows which way that will go.

 

If we get a new OC outside the system it could be catastrophic.

[Mister Defense]

Yes.

 

He fails to use the talent around him, to see what he has, the way a great coach should.

 

After the one dimensional nature of the offense last year, and the resulting inability to put up a strong effort against the Chiefs, allowing them to mercilessly key in on Allen, he started the year in the exact same way. We were screaming at The Ralph early in the Steelers game to run the f***ing ball!--with the running backs  but he didn't do so until it was too late. It was as if what happened against the Chiefs never happened.

 

Then, it took him most of this year to start creating a more multi-dimensional offense.  While it is better late than never, I think it may have been too late for this team to reach its potential.

 

Daboll has done some very good things and for that I am thankful, but I don't think he has good vision, creativity and the kind of high level coaching ability to use the players he has in the best way possible. I think it is pretty clear that this offense and team (and Allen and Singletary and Knox and Diggs... ) will not reach their potential, which is greatness, under Daboll.

 

(I still think this team's talent can carry them to a championship this year, though, as will be shown tonight, 31-10.)

 

But, I also think this is why he will not get a head coaching job this year and will remain with the Bills.

 

 

[bigduke6]

easiest way to f up a team whos ascending on a yearly basis is to lose the consistency of coaching or lose key players.   do everything u can to keep as much of this team intact.   zero guarantees that we continue to be this good,  if we lose certain players or coaches.    its a team game,  but u need that core.

[Kelly's Heroes]

YES YES YES, please get this overrated fat ass out of town! This team with Diggs, Allen, Knox and Singletary will be just fine under another coordinator. Dabol, goes to Tampa and never runs the dam ball in the first half.  I would have yanked his has out of the booth and got him a cab back to his house in Buffalo that night. The Pittsburgh game only featured runs by Allen.....Too much RPO and we lose.  The Jags game, wow really..... I know our Line was missing some players, but that is where the madness comes in, to continue to line up play after play with 5 People in patterns and a spread offense while Josh Allen(jags) destroys you is well definition of stupid. I cannot be the only person who has noticed a decline in the sweep and the WR jet sweep this season. I wont even go into the crazy go for it call at the end of the Titans game. 

 

In his tenure here he  has shown he cannot adjust fast enough to what the other team is doing. When he gets a job to which he will fail miserably....Let me know I will go to his house and help him load the truck!

 

He has done nothing for our running game and if he stays every year takes another 2 years off of Allen career. Your QB cannot be the focus of the running game and play for 20 yrs!

 

That being said, today McKenzie should be the slot receiver he ate NE for lunch....but Beasley who I am a huge fan will get the nod....Sanders will start over Davis mistake......and 26 will probably get 2 carries.  That is what this artery clogged monster will roll out. 

[Beast]

No, quite frankly I do not want him

leaving.

[Breakout Squad]

For the first time since the SB years we have a top tier offense and an OC that understands it’s a passing game now. Coordinators always get criticized but I don’t understand the hate Daboll gets here. The grass is not always greener. 

[Kwai San]

Who is the Geico caveman that sits to Daboll's right each and every game?  Does anyone know???

[Patrick Duffy]

For me...either way is fine with me. If he does go I think many OC's would have success with the talent on this offense. I mean I would think if you can't have success with the weapons/talent Bills have on Offense, then you have no business coaching period.

[jahnyc]

Really depends on who replaces him.  I assume that McBeane have been preparing for a scenario where they lose both Daboll and Frazier.  I don't know if the replacements will come from the current coaching staff or if the targets will be outside the organization, but I hope they will be competent replacements because it would be hard to argue that Frazier and Daboll have not been, at a minimum, competent in their respective roles.

[QLBillsFan]

The hate for BD is funny. Check out our OC’s production the previous 20 years. Yes he needs more commitment to the run (as we have seen recently ). Yes he has JA, but he’s been really good on the whole. Wish him well if he gets a HC gig but his work has been good. JA will certainly miss him. 

[Rampage]

1 minute ago, QLBillsFan said:

The hate for BD is funny. Check out our OC’s production the previous 20 years. Yes he needs more commitment to the run (as we have seen recently ). Yes he has JA, but he’s been really good on the whole. Wish him well if he gets a HC gig but his work has been good. JA will certainly miss him. 

Check out our QB's over that stretch. If you have a bad QB, you're going to be a bad OC I don't care who you are.

[JohnNord]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Is your mind made up on what you want to have happen with Daboll or will it all depend on tonight (and potentially the rest of the playoff run)? He’s been here 4 years and the entirety of Allen’s career thus far so it seems like his body of work would provide the sample size as a fan to determine whether you want him to stay or go. But does it more depend on what happens now?

 

he’s not a shoe in for one of these jobs, especially if they lose tonight/the offense looks bad, and because of Flores getting thrown into the mix as another candidate. Even Jim Caldwell is now being interviewed for the Bears. 

Daboll gets blamed for everything that’s gone wrong and little for what has been effective.  
 

I don’t want him to go but hope that he’s given a chance to be a HC.  Same with Frazier.

[folz]

I voted that I would like Daboll to stay. Feel the same about Frazier. There is a lot of power in continuity...and really, how much can we complain about the results over the last few years. They are both excellent coaches. Their players love them and fight hard for them. But, if they want HC gigs, I hope they get those opportunities.

 

On the other hand, I wouldn't be too worried if they left either at this point. This is now a mature team, who have soaked up Daboll's and Frazier's lessons for the last 4-5 years. I think they'd be ok learning and growing with a new staff (although there might be a break-in period). But, Sean knows what he wants on defense and will be able to find the right person to implement that. And there are plenty of good OCs out there that could work with the talent on this team. Sean just has to be careful to hire a guy that not only is good, but that can develop a good chemistry with the team---and will let Josh be Josh.

 

I am curious though why so many people think Ken Dorsey will either be offered the Bills OC job if Daboll leaves or be poached by Frazier to be his OC if he leaves? Do we really know enough about him (other than his playing career) to assume he would be offered those jobs or be ready to take that next step? Not knocking the guy, just wondering why so many posters seem so sure that he is ready/will be good?

[Patrick Duffy]

5 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Daboll gets blamed for everything that’s gone wrong and little for what has been effective.  
 

I don’t want him to go but hope that he’s given a chance to be a HC.  Same with Frazier.

 

I don't know about that, maybe by some I'm sure, but I definitely wouldn't say he's blamed for everything either way good or bad. It's common sense other things factor in, like execution etc....

 

My frustration with him at times was some of the play calling and going away from the run too much. Been much better recently and of course I'd credit him for that.

[MJS]

The grass is always greener on the other side. I promise you that getting a new coordinator is not necessarily going to be a good thing.

 

Those who want to see Daboll gone don't seem to understand the risk of losing a quality coordinator.

 

That being said, yes, I do want Daboll and Frazier to get head coaching opportunities because they deserve it and it reflects positively on the franchise. And if we have two coordinators go on to be head coaches, imagine where all the best coaching talent will want to come? Buffalo.

[First Round Bust]

8 coaching openings so the odds are increasing that both he and frazier leave, which nets us two draft picks and Dorsey OC and Washington (DC) are the likely in-house replacements

[Mister Defense]

1 hour ago, Breakout Squad said:

For the first time since the SB years we have a top tier offense and an OC that understands it’s a passing game now. Coordinators always get criticized but I don’t understand the hate Daboll gets here. The grass is not always greener. 

 

No, to that cliche that this is a 'passing league now', and that the running game is not that vital, and that running backs are basically a dime a dozen. It is just the very illogical very bad common 'wisdom' that has permeated the media the last few years.  People hear the nonsense, repeat it, and so it spreads. But that does not make it so.

 

Of course that cliche we have all heard so often over the last few years does not make sense.  We all saw that this year with the Bills--and in last year's AFC Championship game.  Without a very solid running game a team is very unlikely to win it all.

 

A great running game will likely power this year's Super Bowl winner as it did last year. The Bucs ran for almost 150 yards in last year's Super Bowl.  They had a running game that prevented the Chiefs from teeing off on Brady the way they did to Allen. I was screaming from the rooftops last year to develop the running game, and all of this year too. Too many good teams in the NFL to not have a multi-dimensional team.

 

So tonight, go Singletary, throw in some Moss, a little Bradea if he is active, and let the Bills wide receivers run tonight too.  Run the ball, keep getting better at it, and then maybe, even coming to it soo late in the year, the Bills can still get good enough at doing so that they win the AFC.

 

 

[Breakout Squad]

Just now, Mister Defense said:

 

No, to that cliche that this is a 'passing league now', and that the running game is not that vital, and that running backs are basically a dime a dozen. It is just the very illogical very bad common 'wisdom' that has permeated the media the last few years.  People hear the nonsense, repeat it, and so it spreads. But that does not make it so.

 

Of course that cliche we have all heard so often over the last few years does not make sense.  We all saw that this year with the Bills--and in last year's AFC Championship game.  Without a very solid running game a team is very unlikely to win it all.

 

A great running game will likely power this year's Super Bowl winner as it did last year. The Bucs ran for almost 150 yards in last year's Super Bowl.  They had a running game that prevented the Chiefs from teeing off on Brady the way they did to Allen. I was screaming from the rooftops last year to develop the running game, and all of this year too. Too many good teams in the NFL to not have a multi-dimensional team.

 

So tonight, go Singletary, throw in some Moss, a little Bradea if he is active, and let the Bills wide receivers run tonight too.  Run the ball, keep getting better at it, and then maybe, even coming to it soo late in the year, the Bills can still get good enough at doing so that they win the AFC.

 

 

Never said that running isn’t important. But the majority of successful teams have an effective passing game. All you have to do is look at passing stats from now compared to 2000. 

[ProcessTruster]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Opinions might change after the game.

"might" change?  ha, this board will explode if bills lose

[GoBills808]

Below average OC gifted the opportunity to work with one of the greatest talents at QB the league has ever seen

 

Won’t miss Daboll at all

[reddogblitz]

6 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

No, to that cliche that this is a 'passing league now', and that the running game is not that vital, and that running backs are basically a dime a dozen. It is just the very illogical very bad common 'wisdom' that has permeated the media the last few years.  People hear the nonsense, repeat it, and so it spreads. But that does not make it so.

 

Of course that cliche we have all heard so often over the last few years does not make sense.  We all saw that this year with the Bills--and in last year's AFC Championship game.  Without a very solid running game a team is very unlikely to win it all.

 

A great running game will likely power this year's Super Bowl winner as it did last year. The Bucs ran for almost 150 yards in last year's Super Bowl.  They had a running game that prevented the Chiefs from teeing off on Brady the way they did to Allen. I was screaming from the rooftops last year to develop the running game, and all of this year too. Too many good teams in the NFL to not have a multi-dimensional team.

 

So tonight, go Singletary, throw in some Moss, a little Bradea if he is active, and let the Bills wide receivers run tonight too.  Run the ball, keep getting better at it, and then maybe, even coming to it soo late in the year, the Bills can still get good enough at doing so that they win the AFC.

 

 

 

Coach Daboll has put together one of the leagues top passing attacks the last 3 years running.

 

If he stays for 2022 I'm thinking perhaps we should hire a run game coordinator. Someone that knows successful running inside and out.  Maybe one of Greg Romans minions or maybe Coach Lynn if he would come back. That way when a run play is called there will be a higher chance of success.  Maybe we would even call them more.  Close out games with it. Not be one dimensional.Meanwhile the monster passing attack is still in place.

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Below average OC gifted the opportunity to work with one of the greatest talents at QB the league has ever seen

 

Won’t miss Daboll at all

 

Why don't we just not hire an OC at all and let Josh do his thing?

[Nextmanup]

I think it is fair to suggest that Daboll, at times, has some pretty weird and objectively BAD play calling.  Maybe they all do, I don't know.

 

He also seems sometimes slow to change up what we're doing, mid-game, to try and mitigate some sort of shortcoming.

 

I'm not really a huge fan or detractor, those are just some observations.

 

 

21 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

"might" change?  ha, this board will explode if bills lose

I don't want to dwell on that now, but I agree.  If we lose tonight, folks will be in meltdown mode and I guarantee people will be calling for the head of McDermott.

 

If we win, that will be happening NEXT WEEK, unless we can find a way past KC.

 

😳

[reddogblitz]

5 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I think it is fair to suggest that Daboll, at times, has some pretty weird and objectively BAD play calling.  Maybe they all do, I don't know.

 

He also seems sometimes slow to change up what we're doing, mid-game, to try and mitigate some sort of shortcoming.

 

I'm not really a huge fan or detractor, those are just some observations.

 

 

I don't want to dwell on that now, but I agree.  If we lose tonight, folks will be in meltdown mode and I guarantee people will be calling for the head of McDermott.

 

If we win, that will be happening NEXT WEEK, unless we can find a way past KC.

 

😳

 

Then it will happen the week after that if we win. Then 2 weeks after that because we either lost or didn't win by enough.

[kkim0904]

Josh bailed him out this season despite the poor play calling.  Move on from Daball. 

[frostbitmic]

Daboll is really good calling plays between the 20s but once in the red zone he goes into a shell. Seems to me he hates calling pass plays into the end zone. It also seems that a high % of our red zone TDs is Josh running for his life before finding a receiver that has broken off his route to help his QB. I've also gotten tired of the 1 yard run on 1st or 2nd down in the red zone.

 

I'm on the Daboll bubble and really don't care if he stays or if he goes, that might change tonight, next week or the week after.

 

GO BILLS

[YoloinOhio]

56 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

"might" change?  ha, this board will explode if bills lose

It will. I’ll probably avoid for a few to not get torched by the flames 

[CSBill]

To the post heading (question): No. I, like many if you, can get frustrated with him at times, but (1) don't under estimate the value to Josh Allen, and all the offense, of the consistency of having the same OC and system for four years running now. I cannot blame him, or Frazier, for pursuing the opportunties, but if I had any choice, I would do all we could do to keep them. Another consideration, (2) the entire coaching staff seems to be on the same page and works well together, again, the power of a common vision, goals, and shared values in how to get there, is not to be taken for granted. And, (3) It appears there is great trust in these goys by the players. Again, something that takes time to build and has a big influence on their performance as a unit.

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, Mister Defense said:

 

No, to that cliche that this is a 'passing league now', and that the running game is not that vital, and that running backs are basically a dime a dozen. It is just the very illogical very bad common 'wisdom' that has permeated the media the last few years.  People hear the nonsense, repeat it, and so it spreads. But that does not make it so.

 

Of course that cliche we have all heard so often over the last few years does not make sense.  We all saw that this year with the Bills--and in last year's AFC Championship game.  Without a very solid running game a team is very unlikely to win it all.

 

A great running game will likely power this year's Super Bowl winner as it did last year. The Bucs ran for almost 150 yards in last year's Super Bowl.  They had a running game that prevented the Chiefs from teeing off on Brady the way they did to Allen. I was screaming from the rooftops last year to develop the running game, and all of this year too. Too many good teams in the NFL to not have a multi-dimensional team.

 

So tonight, go Singletary, throw in some Moss, a little Bradea if he is active, and let the Bills wide receivers run tonight too.  Run the ball, keep getting better at it, and then maybe, even coming to it soo late in the year, the Bills can still get good enough at doing so that they win the AFC.

 

 

 

9 of the top 10 passing teams are in the playoffs.

 

7 of the top 10 running teams are in the playoffs.   

 

That's not much different.  But every one of those top 'running teams' earned more yards through the air than they did on the ground.  

 

In fact, 70% of yards gained by offenses this year were through the air.  

 

I do agree it's better to be multidimensional.   But, for us old timers who remember some older cliches - "three yards and a cloud of dust" and "you need to pass to open up the run" - it very much is a passing league now.  

 

Edited January 15, 2022 by hondo in seattle

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

It will. I’ll probably avoid for a few to not get torched by the flames 

Yeah pains me to think about it. Not sure about you, but for me it would be a much harder pill to swallow than any other due to it's the Pats. That would just be a rotten cherry on top of a sh-t sundae....

[Mister Defense]

42 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Coach Daboll has put together one of the leagues top passing attacks the last 3 years running.

 

If he stays for 2022 I'm thinking perhaps we should hire a run game coordinator. Someone that knows successful running inside and out.  Maybe one of Greg Romans minions or maybe Coach Lynn if he would come back. That way when a run play is called there will be a higher chance of success.  Maybe we would even call them more.  Close out games with it. Not be one dimensional.Meanwhile the monster passing attack is still in place.

 

Why don't we just not hire an OC at all and let Josh do his thing?

 

Yes, a very good point, idea. 

 

And  this coach and GM see this weakness and are looking for ways to really change it. That is how they operate--understand the team's weaknesses and then fix them. 

 

Imagine the success Josh Allen's teams will have in Buffalo whey they have a running game that matches their passing game and an offense that is always evolving.  To make these things happen, they need that different perspective you suggest.