Questions Surrounding a New Stadium in OP .

[T master]

With all the talk of a new stadium coming to OP in the not to distant future and all that comes with it i was wondering a couple of things about the build .

 

I watched a piece on Buffalo Bills .com that showed the room that controls the big screens at the field now & seeing the recent renovations at the stadium was wondering if any of that newer equipment might be taken from the old stadium & used in the new one to off set some of the pricing of the new build or will they just junk that & go with all brand new in the box stuff ?

 

I know that the things that have been there for the entirety or the life of the stadium will be tossed but i would think that there may be some things that could do the same job especially if it is newer equipment but knowing how today's world works with tech changing so fast i'm not real sure if it will be used.

 

The stadium now has the 2 big screens at the one end of the field and they were recently upgraded couldn't they be used ? Then there may be some of the vendors equipment that if not very old that could be moved to the new stadium like the lights that keep food warm & such .

 

Then there are things like the goal posts & other stuff used to put on the on field presentation and the benches with the helmet warmers & all that kind of stuff .

 

I know there will be those that say that this is a brand new stadium & would want all brand new gear to go with it but was just wondering if this is even a consideration at all to possibly curb a small amount of the over all cost rather than just demoing the entire thing & putting it in a land fill ...

[Nextmanup]

If they are going to put it in Orchard Park, let Pegula pay for every nickel.

 

 

[BringBackFergy]

I just want one of those "communal sinks" in the  men's room so I can take a leak in it every day.

[Jauronimo]

They can probably reuse a lot of the copper wiring or at least sell it for scrap to save money.  Every little bit helps!

[Albany,n.y.]

Considering that the new stadium will be built while they're still playing in the old one, I doubt that they'll be salvaging old stuff from the old stadium & putting it in the new one.  More likely they'll try to sell some stuff to a much smaller venue, like a college or high school.  They may take some of the stuff & sell it as souvenirs like they've done in other places with stadium seats etc.  

[Matt_In_NH]

For a large scale build like this it costs more to try to reuse stuff and is not worth the effort.  There could be a lot of issues that come up, local building codes change, the old equipment is probably not the right choice in a lot of cases, etc.  

[Einstein]

Asking the hard hitting questions.

 

“Will the video equipment from the old stadium be brought to the new stadium?”

[Albany,n.y.]

1 minute ago, BUFFALOBART said:

The problem with State, and Pegula money, is who actually owns the facility? I could be mistaken, but I never heard of a public asset, with a private individual,  in a co-ownership.

In the business world there are many cases where the party that owns the land enters a land lease with a tenant who then builds a structure on it for the tenant's use.  At the end of the lease everything on the property belongs to the owner.  

Erie County owns everytthing right now.  If the Pegulas were to do a land lease, they would be responsible for building their own facility and would own it until the lease expired.  Then it would revert to Erie County.  

[smuvtalker]

39 minutes ago, T master said:

With all the talk of a new stadium coming to OP in the not to distant future and all that comes with it i was wondering a couple of things about the build .

 

I watched a piece on Buffalo Bills .com that showed the room that controls the big screens at the field now & seeing the recent renovations at the stadium was wondering if any of that newer equipment might be taken from the old stadium & used in the new one to off set some of the pricing of the new build or will they just junk that & go with all brand new in the box stuff ?

 

I know that the things that have been there for the entirety or the life of the stadium will be tossed but i would think that there may be some things that could do the same job especially if it is newer equipment but knowing how today's world works with tech changing so fast i'm not real sure if it will be used.

 

The stadium now has the 2 big screens at the one end of the field and they were recently upgraded couldn't they be used ? Then there may be some of the vendors equipment that if not very old that could be moved to the new stadium like the lights that keep food warm & such .

 

Then there are things like the goal posts & other stuff used to put on the on field presentation and the benches with the helmet warmers & all that kind of stuff .

 

I know there will be those that say that this is a brand new stadium & would want all brand new gear to go with it but was just wondering if this is even a consideration at all to possibly curb a small amount of the over all cost rather than just demoing the entire thing & putting it in a land fill ...

Good questions all....I wonder the same thing.  Seems like such a huge amount of stuff to just throw away...

[Bob in Mich]

I hope they keep those aluminum bench seats. 

[Einstein]

10 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Considering that the new stadium will be built while they're still playing in the old one, I doubt that they'll be salvaging old stuff from the old stadium & putting it in the new one.  More likely they'll try to sell some stuff to a much smaller venue, like a college or high school.  They may take some of the stuff & sell it as souvenirs like they've done in other places with stadium seats etc.  

 

Yes, this is common with old stadiums. They sell as much as they can. Including seats, art work in the clubs, pieces of the field, even bricks from the foundation.

 

I assure you that the people who ripped Ralph’s name of the building to make a few bucks are not going to just throw everything out without getting every last dollar they can for it.

[I'm Spartacus]

What happens to the old stadium? Does it get demolished? Does it stay intact for Bills practices or high school games?

[BillsVet]

Just now, BUFFALOBART said:

The Pegula's clamoring for the state to pay full freight for the facility, actually makes sense, in this scenario.

 

It's a good question...the stadium scope and quality was reduced to suit the state and the owners.  Meanwhile, the fans who actually pay for it are literally and figuratively left out in the cold.   

 

It's amazing and tone-deaf that the governor of NY actually said that an open air stadium in OP is "part of the Buffalo bravado, which people love to showcase."   Or,  she just reiterating what the committee specified as the best course of action.    

[ExiledInIllinois]

"...Mem'ries may be beautiful and yet
What's too painful to remember
We simply choose to forget

So it's the laughter we will remember
Whenever we remember the way we were

The way we were"

 

 

I want the seat we sat in during the 2009 Cleveland game when the Bills lost 6-3. My life is worthless without that bench.  I will gladly pay 8 dollars for it!  😌...

 

 

[BuffaloBills1998]

Just read Hochoul confirmed it’s OP and it’s going to be open air and not a dome. Reportedly both the Pegulas and Hochoul don’t want a dome 

20 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said:

What happens to the old stadium? Does it get demolished? Does it stay intact for Bills practices or high school games?

Im assuming it gets demolished. 

Edited January 7, 2022 by BuffaloBills1998

[SirAndrew]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Just read Hochoul confirmed it’s OP and it’s going to be open air and not a dome. Both the Pegulas and Hochoul don’t want a dome 

Just saw that as well. I’ve gotten to the point where I know it’s not going to be a dome, so I’m fine with it. I just wish someone would be honest, and admit it’s about the money. She’s out there talking about the “bravado” and culture of Buffalo. It’s about saving state money. 

[WotAGuy]

20 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said:

What happens to the old stadium? Does it get demolished? Does it stay intact for Bills practices or high school games?

Demolished and make room for parking perhaps. The structure is 50 years old and is becoming structurally unsafe. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/hochul-reaffirms-again-no-dome-for-a-new-bills-stadium/article_0a2a1116-6fec-11ec-8ee7-278bb6dfeb68.amp.html

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Just saw that as well. I’ve gotten to the point where I know it’s not going to be a dome, so I’m fine with it. I just wish someone would be honest, and admit it’s about the money. She’s out there talking about the “bravado” and culture of Buffalo. It’s about saving state money. 

It doesn't have to do with the money.. if they thought a dome would give the bills a  better chance to win they would build it 

 

The bills are 12 and 1 at the Ralph in the playoffs... That's not good weather

 

The one advantage we always had.. was kemp Kelly and Allen could throw it in conditions others can't 

 

Building a dome would just allow lesser quarterbacks to have a great game in the playoffs... That's the only fact.. because lots of NFL quarterbacks could have a great game in perfect conditions

 

Almost none are coming to the Ralph in January and having a good game.. that is our advantage 

 

We routinely practice outside during the season to prepare for inclement weather.. no other team can do that in Buffalo weather either

 

Edited January 7, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Figster]

6 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I think that the balance has to be struck, in terms of fan affordability.

I'm all for a Dome, but in reality, I, and a good percentage of season ticket holders, would be priced out of the market.

I get the fan affordability part of it. 

 

Myself personally, a Dome will not only help the fans by way of comfort. It would also help the star athletes like Josh Allen perform at the highest level possible IMO. In turn equates to more playoff home games IMO. Dome could be used year round and promote other activites. Its also possible OP could host a Superbowl one day If more motel accommodations can be provided. 

 

 

 

[SirAndrew]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

It doesn't have to do with the money.. if they thought a dome would give the bills a  better chance to win they would build it 

 

The bills are 12 and 1 at the Ralph in the playoffs... That's not good weather

 

The one advantage we always had.. was kemp Kelly and Allen could throw it in conditions others can't 

 

Building a dome would just allow lesser quarterbacks to have a great game in the playoffs... That's the only fact.. because lots of NFL quarterbacks could have a great game in perfect conditions

 

Almost none are coming to the Ralph in January and having a good game.. that is our advantage

 

I understand your take, but I’m looking at it from purely a state prospective. NY state isn’t concerned with the Buffalo Bills winning football games. Why wouldn’t the state want an open air stadium, if it means the team asking for less money? That’s all I’m saying. I don’t care about the open air vs enclosed debate, but I don’t think it’s fair to say money isn’t a favor for the Pegula’s or the state. Talking all this tough Buffalo people, real football stuff is catnip for the open air stadium supporters, but I can’t look away from money being a big reason to go open air. 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, SirAndrew said:

I understand your take, but I’m looking at it from purely a state prospective. NY state isn’t concerned with the Buffalo Bills winning football games. Why wouldn’t the state want an open air stadium, if it means the team asking for less money? That’s all I’m saying. I don’t care about the open air vs enclosed debate, but I don’t think it’s fair to say money isn’t a favor for the Pegula’s or the state. Talking all this tough Buffalo people, real football stuff is catnip for the open air stadium supporters, but I can’t look away from money being a big reason to go open air. 

If people want a dome .. you should just say you want a dome because you don't want to sit in the elements 

 

Don't make it about the bills will be a better dome team.. that's not factually true

 

And coming to Buffalo in January has only always benefited the bills and their strong-arm quarterbacks 

 

When we had bad quarterback play maybe the weather didn't help us... But having kemp Kelly and Josh..  we are at a huge advantage compared to whatever quarterback is coming into our stadium 

 

It's always been that way and it will continue... 90% of the time Josh outplays the opposing quarterback by 2x or 3x 

 

And if pegula really thought the dome was the hidden element to a super bowl... He would pony up and get it on.. but he doesn't believe it either

[BillsVet]

26 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I think that the balance has to be struck, in terms of fan affordability.

I'm all for a Dome, but in reality, I, and a good percentage of season ticket holders, would be priced out of the market.

 

Absolutely...many stakeholders including the fans have needs that go into a new stadium.  I just hope the next stadium is built with a certain degree of the fans in mind and not to satisfy the owners who, like with other teams, want to escape as much cost as possible.  

[SirAndrew]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

If people want a dome .. you should just say you want a dome because you don't want to sit in the elements 

 

Don't make it about the bills will be a better dome team.. that's not factually true

 

And coming to Buffalo in January has only always benefited the bills and their strong-arm quarterbacks 

 

When we had bad quarterback play maybe the weather didn't help us... But having kemp Kelly and Josh..  we are at a huge advantage compared to whatever quarterback is coming into our stadium 

 

It's always been that way and it will continue... 90% of the time Josh outplays the opposing quarterback by 2x or 3x 

 

And if pegula really thought the dome was the hidden element to a super bowl... He would pony up and get it on.. but he doesn't believe it either

I’ll be at the stadium either way, and the on field product is a debate in and of itself. I think you’re right, Pegula would pony up the cash if he thought a roof was the missing ingredient. I just believe money has to be part of the decision not to enclose the stadium, and anyone who says otherwise isn’t being fully truthful. It’s simply a opinion of mine though. 

[Whites Bay]

6 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

It will become part of the parking lot footprint that is lost with the new stadium construction.

That's what happened with Mile High and Meadowlands, right?

[cba fan]

40 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

It doesn't have to do with the money.. if they thought a dome would give the bills a  better chance to win they would build it 

 

The bills are 12 and 1 at the Ralph in the playoffs... That's not good weather

 

The one advantage we always had.. was kemp Kelly and Allen could throw it in conditions others can't 

 

Building a dome would just allow lesser quarterbacks to have a great game in the playoffs... That's the only fact.. because lots of NFL quarterbacks could have a great game in perfect conditions

 

Almost none are coming to the Ralph in January and having a good game.. that is our advantage 

 

We routinely practice outside during the season to prepare for inclement weather.. no other team can do that in Buffalo weather either

 

Bills never practice out side in bad weather.

No advantage for Bills in bad weather as this is a passing team and will be for the foreseeable future as all Super Bowl contenders are.

Bills do not win in bad weather since Allen era.

Bills have lost most games with high winds or bad weather at home in current era.

Orchard Park site is highest avg winds for all NFL teams. Even before taking into account the venturi effect, which enhances wind on field, that the dumb 70's engineers built into Highmark.

 

Edited January 7, 2022 by cba fan

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, cba fan said:

Bills never practice out side in bad weather.

No advantage for Bills in bad weather as this is a passing team and will be for the foreseeable future as all Super Bowl contenders are.

Bills do not win in bad weather since Allen era.

Bills have lost most games with high winds or bad weather at home in current era.

Orchard Park site is highest avg winds for all NFL teams. Even before taking into venturi effect which enhances wind on field dumb 70's engineers built into Highmark.

 

False

 

Every single coach in our history including Sean McDermott has practiced outside at points during the winter

[cba fan]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

False

 

Every single coach in our history including Sean McDermott has practiced outside at points during the winter

not in bad weather did Allen era do this.

[gjv001]

Perhaps they could take electronic, concession equipment, and even seating to the Bulls stadium at the UB campus.

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, cba fan said:

not in bad weather did Allen era do this.

 

 

It's really tough to go back and find Bill's practice schedules.. but this is video proof

 

2019 practicing outside with deep snow around the outside of the field

 

Weather clearly isn't great 

 

Living here it's known they practice outside at points

[cba fan]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

 

It's really tough to go back and find Bill's practice schedules.. but this is video proof

 

2019 practicing outside with deep snow around the outside of the field

 

Weather clearly isn't great 

 

Living here it's known they practice outside at points

like i said and your pic proves. They don't practice in bad weather outside. ty. I am not saying they never do. Just not in bad bad weather.

Edited January 7, 2022 by cba fan

[purple haze]

1 hour ago, BillsVet said:

 

It's a good question...the stadium scope and quality was reduced to suit the state and the owners.  Meanwhile, the fans who actually pay for it are literally and figuratively left out in the cold.   

 

It's amazing and tone-deaf that the governor of NY actually said that an open air stadium in OP is "part of the Buffalo bravado, which people love to showcase."   Or,  she just reiterating what the committee specified as the best course of action.    

How have the scope and quality been reduced?  How big a stadium does Buffalo need?  60-65,000 is perfect.  The quality will most likely be very high.  1.4 or so billion isn’t “cheap.”
 

If they put a roof on the new stadium would the scope and quality suit you then?  

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I would bring the AstroTurf from the old stadium and re-use it.

 

Huge savings there !!

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, cba fan said:

like i said and your pic proves. They don't practice in bad weather outside. ty. I am not saying they never do. Just not in bad bad weather.

Listen hardly any day is like the day we played the Patriots outside

 

The bills practice in not perfect conditions outside

 

They don't need to be in the middle of a snowstorm to prove what I'm saying

Edited January 7, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Big Turk]

5 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

If they are going to put it in Orchard Park, let Pegula pay for every nickel.

 

 

 

Not happening. Hochul already said wherever he wants the stadium is where it's going to be and New York State will do it's part.

 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

1 hour ago, I'm Spartacus said:

What happens to the old stadium? Does it get demolished? Does it stay intact for Bills practices or high school games?

I’m guessing the field house and training facility would remain there, since it’s relatively new and considered state of the art … maybe the area would become “MafiaVille, with hotels and restaurants ( I actually laughed as I wrote that, knowing it will NEVER happen), but more than likely, it’s a parking lot. 

[SoCal Deek]

If the State of NY along with the Owner can’t pool their collective resources to construct a simple dome stadium on property they already own and with virtually no additional infrastructure costs to bear…there’s really something WRONG!

[purple haze]

1 hour ago, SirAndrew said:

I understand your take, but I’m looking at it from purely a state prospective. NY state isn’t concerned with the Buffalo Bills winning football games. Why wouldn’t the state want an open air stadium, if it means the team asking for less money? That’s all I’m saying. I don’t care about the open air vs enclosed debate, but I don’t think it’s fair to say money isn’t a favor for the Pegula’s or the state. Talking all this tough Buffalo people, real football stuff is catnip for the open air stadium supporters, but I can’t look away from money being a big reason to go open air. 

A roof in OP makes no sense.   Downtown?  Maybe it would have.  But in OP?  No.  There’s not a lot of events to book a stadium for and conventions wouldn’t book in OP.  There’s nothing else there to do when the meetings aren’t taking place.

 

Building downtown is a money issue, but the bigger issue is the time it would take because of all the things that would need doing outside of actually building the stadium.  And those things might come with unknown costs.

35 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

If the State of NY along with the Owner can’t pool their collective resources to construct a simple dome stadium on property they already own and with virtually no additional infrastructure costs to bear…there’s really something WRONG!

They don’t want a dome.  It’s simple as that.  

Edited January 7, 2022 by purple haze

[Dr. Who]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

False

 

Every single coach in our history including Sean McDermott has practiced outside at points during the winter

I like your posts Nanook, but it seems to me the recent home game against Pats* somehow turned out to be advantage black hats, though perhaps that was coaching. I think they held Allen back. Still think if you have an elite offense, optimum conditions favor your team. Also, the older I get, the less I like to freeze. Logic posted some designs that cut down on the wind, which is a fair compromise, though I take it you would be opposed to this as well.

[Chandler#81]

14 minutes ago, purple haze said:

A roof in OP makes no sense.   Downtown?  Maybe it would have.  But in OP?  No.  There’s not a lot of events to book a stadium for and conventions wouldn’t book in OP.  There’s nothing else there to do when the meetings aren’t taking place.

 

Building downtown is a money issue, but the bigger issue is the time it would take because of all the things that would need doing outside of actually building the stadium.  And those things might come with unknown costs.

They don’t want a dome.  It’s simple as that.  

Well I do -and it’s as simple as That!🤬