*[EDIT]* Multiple reports Browns actively shopping Mayfield pg. 29/30 - Ravens / Browns in QB contract pickle

[Bruce Smith]

No way NO takes Mayfield

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Cousins deal at 35M is pretty hefty.  Is he worth the 20+ mill increase in cap charge?  You could just keep baker and sign someone like mariota or trubisky for insurance.  

Traded its only $10 million. Vikings save $25 million unless I read it wrong. Browns could then just extend Cousins or keep him for $25 million on 1 year.

Edited January 6, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Big Blitz]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He definitely has two outstanding young receivers. I think Tee Higgins is a #1 and Chase clearly is a #1. He has two more years at least throwing to that pair. I have to say I have a knock on Herbert's fundamentals. I think his gets loose with his release and his footwork too often for my tastes. I'd go Mahomes #1, Allen #2, Burrow #3.

 

 

What QBs currently in the NFL would you want for the next 7-10 years here is what I think GMs would tell you:

 

1.  Mahomes

2. Allen

3. Herbert

4. Burrow

5. Murray

 

 

 

 

And I can't argue that.  I don't think there is anyone else including Lamar, Baker, and Dak that I'd pick over these guys.  Lawrence hasn't impressed at all.  And with regime change coming already for him, man what a disaster that could be. 

 

Jury still out:

 

Hurts 

Lawrence 

Zach Wilson 

Tua 

Lance

Mac Jones

Fields 

 

 

Awaiting a Grand Jury:

 

Watson 

 

Edited January 6, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Bruce Smith said:

No way NO takes Mayfield

They took on Winston.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

25 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

Drought era Bills would be all in on trading for Baker. 

What time is his plane due in?!  We'll have a few hundred fans at the airport to meet him! 😁

[Seventeen]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

What QBs currently in the NFL would you want for the next 7-10 years here is what I think GMs would tell you:

 

1.  Mahomes

2. Allen

3. Herbert

4. Burrow

5. Murray

 

 

 

 

And I can't argue that.  I don't think there is anyone else including Lamar and Dak that I'd pick over these guys.  Lawrence hasn't impressed at all.  And with regime change coming already for him, man what a disaster that could be. 

 

Jury still out:

 

Hurts 

Lawrence 

Zach Wilson 

Tua 

 

 

Awaiting a Grand Jury:

 

Watson 

 

 

I think you can add Mayfield to the 'Jury still out' group. 

[Big Blitz]

Just now, Roy Hobbs said:

 

I think you can add Mayfield to the 'Jury still out' group. 

 

 

Correct.  And Lance and Mac Jones to.  

[Bruce Smith]

7 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Cousins deal at 35M is pretty hefty.  Is he worth the 20+ mill increase in cap charge?  You could just keep baker and sign someone like mariota or trubisky for insurance.  

He is worth it more than Mayfield.  Mayfield = Goff

[FLFan]

49 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I'm not sure if anything matters more than producing and winning. Allen has won 10+ games and made the playoffs in each of his first three full seasons as a starter and took his team to the AFCCG last year. During that time, only Rodgers produced more TDs, only Mahomes and Brady produced more yards, and only Rodgers, Mahomes, and Brady won more games. He accounts for a higher percentage of his teams offensive yards and touchdown than any player in the NFL. Only 7 players in NFL history produced more total yards in their first 60 games, and only three players in NFL history produced more TDs in their first 60 games.

 

 

 

 

Good post, but you cannot win an argument with a troll.

[Bruce Smith]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They took on Winston.

for 5 million bucks.  If I am NO or Mia I get Watson.  He is the best young QB available.  I'd take Watson over every young QB but Burrow.  

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, FLFan said:

Good post, but you cannot win an argument with a troll.

 

Haha! I should know better...

 

I wish there was an emoji that captured the essence of, "you are absolutely insane"

[Doc]

33 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

This is why Josh’s deal was better than Maholmes’.  He’ll get to re set the market again, Maholmes will likely never get to.  Allen got paid almost as much AND gets to go again in his prime, Maholmes will be in the league for 13 years by the time he gets another shot at being a FA, not great. 

Mahomes will absolutely ask for a new deal well before his deal runs out.  All he hast to do is threaten a hold out if they don’t give it to him before hand.

And I agree that Murray will get a huge deal after the season, followed by Herbert and Burrow the following off-season. I still think that the Ravens and Browns have/had reservation about their quarterbacks hence the reason they didn’t give them new deals.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Traded its only $10 million. Vikings save $25 million unless I read it wrong. Browns could then just extend Cousins or keep him for $25 million on 1 year.

 

His cap hit for 2022 is 45M.  35M base salary in 2022 is to whomever he would go to.  Minnesota eats the prorated bonus of 10M.  I am not sure how retained salary/cap could work on a trade of that deal, but thats the standard basics of it.  

9 minutes ago, Doc said:

Mahomes will absolutely ask for a new deal well before his deal runs out.  All he hast to do is threaten a hold out if they don’t give it to him before hand.

And I agree that Murray will get a huge deal after the season, followed by Herbert and Burrow the following off-season. I still think that the Ravens and Browns have/had reservation about their quarterbacks hence the reason they didn’t give them new deals.

 

With franchise QBs and a good relationship things tend to work themselves out naturally avoiding holdouts.  The cap hits get really high, then you tack on additional years so you can push bonus money out further into the future.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

His cap hit for 2022 is 45M.  35M base salary in 2022 is to whomever he would go to.  Minnesota eats the prorated bonus of 10M.  I am not sure how retained salary/cap could work on a trade of that deal, but thats the standard basics of it.  

 

With franchise QBs and a good relationship things tend to work themselves out naturally avoiding holdouts.  The cap hits get really high, then you tack on additional years so you can push bonus money out further into the future.  

Point is Minnesota can get out if they find a partner. Cousins can always help his new team out with a restructure.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Point is Minnesota can get out if they find a partner. Cousins can always help his new team out with a restructure.

 

You need someone to take on a fully guaranteed 35M base salary cap hit... and the only restructure would involve extending him and increasing his guarantee from 35M in year 1 to... significantly more over another couple of years.  Or adding void years which just hurts you down the line.  

[Coach Tuesday]

36 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

What QBs currently in the NFL would you want for the next 7-10 years here is what I think GMs would tell you:

 

1.  Mahomes

2. Allen

3. Herbert

4. Burrow

5. Murray

 

 

 

 

And I can't argue that.  I don't think there is anyone else including Lamar and Dak that I'd pick over these guys.  Lawrence hasn't impressed at all.  And with regime change coming already for him, man what a disaster that could be. 

 

Jury still out:

 

Hurts 

Lawrence 

Zach Wilson 

Tua 

Baker

Lance

Mac Jones

 

 

Awaiting a Grand Jury:

 

Watson 

 

 

Agree with this.  And no one would call me a "homer" around here - I don't think enough is said about how much Allen's teammates rally behind him.  This is not lost on GMs around the league, they see it.  Having a guy like Allen who works harder than anyone, is great to be around, inspires and engages with the community, is clean as a whistle off the field, is "all ball," and is, as one exec put it in an Athletic article I read the other day, "the most competitive player on that roster," is simply invaluable to have in addition to his outer-worldly athletic ability.  Not to say that the other guys on that list aren't of a similar ilk - Mahomes probably is, Burrow might be getting there.  Herbert is low-key, I don't know yet if guys are running through walls for him; Murray is hyper-competitive but also tends to sulk when things go poorly - his leadership skills have been openly questioned.   My point is, Allen brings so much to the table, he's a unicorn, nearly any team in the league with kill to have a guy like him in the fold.  It's inarguable at this point.

Edited January 6, 2022 by Coach Tuesday

[Buffalo_Stampede]

9 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

You need someone to take on a fully guaranteed 35M base salary cap hit... and the only restructure would involve extending him and increasing his guarantee from 35M in year 1 to... significantly more over another couple of years.  Or adding void years which just hurts you down the line.  

The Browns can. And they can also restructure with an extension. I mention the Browns due to the relationship with the HC obv.

[GunnerBill]

42 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

What QBs currently in the NFL would you want for the next 7-10 years here is what I think GMs would tell you:

 

1.  Mahomes

2. Allen

3. Herbert

4. Burrow

5. Murray

 

 

 

 

And I can't argue that.  I don't think there is anyone else including Lamar, Baker, and Dak that I'd pick over these guys.  Lawrence hasn't impressed at all.  And with regime change coming already for him, man what a disaster that could be. 

 

Jury still out:

 

Hurts 

Lawrence 

Zach Wilson 

Tua 

Lance

Mac Jones

Fields 

 

 

Awaiting a Grand Jury:

 

Watson 

 

 

Yea I think those 5 would be on everyone's list. Lamar would be on some lists as well but totally off others (as he was at draft time). And I think Burrow would be higher than 4th on a lot of lists. I know for a fact 1 team had him graded higher than Andrew Luck coming out. Teams loved him as a prospect and I don't think he has done anything to undermine that in the league. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

55 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Haha! I should know better...

 

I wish there was an emoji that captured the essence of, "you are absolutely insane"

Arguing with such an individual is equivalent to:

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, Bruce Smith said:

for 5 million bucks.  If I am NO or Mia I get Watson.  He is the best young QB available.  I'd take Watson over every young QB but Burrow.  

 

Watson is the perfect fit for NO and Payton can afford to mortgage the future a bit as the Saints are ready to win now.

[cle23]

2 hours ago, DCofNC said:

This is why Josh’s deal was better than Maholmes’.  He’ll get to re set the market again, Maholmes will likely never get to.  Allen got paid almost as much AND gets to go again in his prime, Maholmes will be in the league for 13 years by the time he gets another shot at being a FA, not great. 

 

They will renegotiate way before 10 years.

[Seventeen]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Watson is the perfect fit for NO and Payton can afford to mortgage the future a bit as the Saints are ready to win now.

 

Watson could be a great fit on a lot of teams but IIRC he wanted to go to Miami.

[Scott7975]

7 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Torn labrum or not, when I watch Baker it's apparent that if he has to move off his spot at all, he literally trips over his own feet and falls down. 

 

Allen makes dodging pressure look so easily, Baker would have 70+ sacks behind this offensive line. 

 

In addition to below average athleticism, Baker also struggles to overcome his height. 

 

Yeah im not big on Baker.  I think he could have a Fitz like career or something though.

[Big Turk]

7 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Torn labrum or not, when I watch Baker it's apparent that if he has to move off his spot at all, he literally trips over his own feet and falls down. 

 

Allen makes dodging pressure look so easily, Baker would have 70+ sacks behind this offensive line. 

 

In addition to below average athleticism, Baker also struggles to overcome his height. 

 

Mayfield is a game manager, nothing more.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

32 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Yeah im not big on Baker.  I think he could have a Fitz like career or something though.

 

I don’t see that.  Fitz stuck around the league because of his  “emotional intelligence” - not fond of that lingo, I mean his ability to get along with everyone on the team and build relationships with all: WR, OL, coaches, assistants - as Lee Smith said “if you tell me you don’t like Ryan Fitzpatrick I’m telling you you’re lying” - and then because of his mental ability to learn new playbooks and read Ds and good film study habits.

 

I could be mistaken, but I see Mayfield as too much of a “drama llama” to fill that role 

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don’t see that.  Fitz stuck around the league because of his  “emotional intelligence” - not fond of that lingo, I mean his ability to get along with everyone on the team and build relationships with all: WR, OL, coaches, assistants - as Lee Smith said “if you tell me you don’t like Ryan Fitzpatrick I’m telling you you’re lying” - and then because of his mental ability to learn new playbooks and read Ds and good film study habits.

 

I could be mistaken, but I see Mayfield as too much of a “drama llama” to fill that role 

 

True but I more mean he will probably end up on a few different teams as a backup/starter

[Protocal69]

On 1/4/2022 at 12:45 PM, FilthyBeast said:

 

Jackson was carrying the Ravens and they were 8-3 with him healthy which shows he was not only an MVP candidate but top QB in the conference.

 

And he did most of this with him arm this year vs being a 'running QB'.

 

Obviously if Allen got hurt the Bills would also be in a world of trouble but the league obviously feels he's not the main reason the team is any good especially with the #1 overall ranked defense.

 

How did Lamar lead the Ravens to a 8-3 record when Lamar only has 7 wins this year. smh How are you a MVP candidate with 16TD and 13 ints. He had about 2 good and 1 great game this year. If you are going to be on here just talking stupid you should really find something else to do with your free time. 

[LABILLBACKER]

On 1/5/2022 at 5:05 PM, Evian said:

Lamar Jackson and Baker Mayfield are mediocre at best.

 

Tyler Huntley is a better QB than Jackson. Jackson will never beat the Mahomes, Allens, Herberts, and Burrows of the AFC. He can't throw the ball. Huntley is better than LJ and is way less expensive.

 

Baker Mayfield is gone. He too is never beating the elite AFC quarterbacks. 

 

The Browns and Ravens have tons of talent. The fact both are not making the playoffs all circles back to their non-elite quarterbacks.

 

I don't see either team giving them big money. They are not worth it.

Totally agree and I said this last year. They're not built for longevity. Neither are worth 40+/yr.

[Behindenemylines]

7 minutes ago, Protocal69 said:

How did Lamar lead the Ravens to a 8-3 record when Lamar only has 7 wins this year. smh How are you a MVP candidate with 16TD and 13 ints. He had about 2 good and 1 great game this year. If you are going to be on here just talking stupid you should really find something else to do with your free time. 

Exactly.  People are trying to make Lamar a yearly MVP without the stats. So emotional.  He was marginal this year at best and when his elusiveness as a rusher diminish he will be a sub par QB. Not an MVP and will not be again IMO. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

12 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

And so it begins...

 

 

And what are those strengths again?

 

He'd probably be a good upgrade for New England over Mac. 

[purple haze]

10 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

So the lack of a running game in Buffalo (though last Sunday there was glimmer of one) along with known problems with the offensive line (again maybe at some level of under repair) fall under the responsibility of Josh Allen. The guy has put the team on his back and carried it except for last week.  He is a once in a generation talent and I am glad the Bills were smart and came to a reasonable agreement with him.

Last week he contributed mightily with his legs.   He helped win that game.  

[purple haze]

10 hours ago, cle23 said:

 

 

Mary Kay Cabot is a quack.  She writes articles for drama and clicks.  She has decent content sometimes, but she then writes headlines for said article in order to create drama.  I know clicks = money, but she isn't a great representative of a great and fair reporter.

Copy Editors usually write the headlines not the reporter.  Good chance she has nothing to do with that.  
 

If Mayfield played better she and other reporters would write about that; about big stats, memorable performances and playoff successes.  Unfortunately, he hasn’t played consistently even when healthy and his future there is questionable.  
 

 Should the Browns make him the highest paid QB in the game or even close to  it?  Why or why not?  Should they find a new QB now, trade Mayfield or give him another year to prove himself?  He has the ball in his hands every play.  He can control the narrative.   When a guy doesn’t play well enough at that position this is what happens.  Not Cabot’s fault he ain’t that dude (yet, if ever).

[Doc Brown]

10 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

What QBs currently in the NFL would you want for the next 7-10 years here is what I think GMs would tell you:

 

1.  Mahomes

2. Allen

3. Herbert

4. Burrow

5. Murray

That's pry right but if Watson resolves his legal problems over the offseason I'd put him above Murray on this list.  Can't deny the guy's talent even if he is a pos. 

 

I don't trust the Murray midget that seems to be hampered by an injury the last couple of years.  However, he may be the next one to get the big QB contract and he can always use baseball as leverage.

[Nitro]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The Ravens are missing the playoffs because they have been without the best left tackle in football for the whole year, the right tackle they signed as a big FA the whole year and a starting guard who did his ACL week 1. They have been without one former all pro corner for the whole season and their other all pro corner down the stretch. They lost their three best running backs before the season began and their first round receiver didn't play until week 8. Oh and then they lost a veteran starting defensive end for good measure before their Quarterback himself went down.

 

Oh and despite all that they are two missed 2 pointers away from being a locked in playoff team. Yea. The Ravens have not missed the playoffs because of Quarterback play. That is a ridiculous take. 

Three fold means all three elements come into play.  I did say injuries to others on the teams.   

[purple haze]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

That's pry right but if Watson resolves his legal problems over the offseason I'd put him above Murray on this list.  Can't deny the guy's talent even if he is a pos. 

 

I don't trust the Murray midget that seems to be hampered by an injury the last couple of years.  However, he may be the next one to get the big QB contract and he can always use baseball as leverage.

I don’t know about Baseball as leverage at this point.  He hasn’t played in a couple years.  Professional pitchers would take his lunch right now.  I’m talking pro minor league pitchers.  Can’t imagine he spends a lot of time in the batting cage.

[Doc Brown]

38 minutes ago, purple haze said:

I don’t know about Baseball as leverage at this point.  He hasn’t played in a couple years.  Professional pitchers would take his lunch right now.  I’m talking pro minor league pitchers.  Can’t imagine he spends a lot of time in the batting cage.

I don't think they'd completely take his lunch.  Maybe steal a french fry or two when he isn't looking.  I'm sure the A's would give him a lot of time to develop considering he's only 24.  If he's tired of being hit and willing to bet on himself he could bolt to the MLB if the Cardinals won't commit to him long term.  Even if it means a year or two in the minors making far less money.  At least that's how I'd pitch it as his agent to get top dollar.

Edited January 7, 2022 by Doc Brown

[papazoid]

if i'm cleveland , no way am i extending baker a new contract past his 5th year option. it's time to move on.

 

for me, he doesn't even crack the Top 20 in QB's

 

that offense is incredibly talented and ready to go now. i'd look to free agency or trade for a proven player AND draft a QB on day 2.

 

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, Roy Hobbs said:

 

Watson could be a great fit on a lot of teams but IIRC he wanted to go to Miami.

 

Miami and Carolina were allegedly the only two he was willing to waive the no trade clause for.

[DrDawkinstein]

 

 

LOL at every failed Browns QB jumping in to get get shots off at Cabot, as if their horrible performances that ended their careers are HER fault.

 

Kinda funny, but mostly pathetic. Typical Browns.

[cle23]

6 hours ago, purple haze said:

Copy Editors usually write the headlines not the reporter.  Good chance she has nothing to do with that.  
 

If Mayfield played better she and other reporters would write about that; about big stats, memorable performances and playoff successes.  Unfortunately, he hasn’t played consistently even when healthy and his future there is questionable.  
 

 Should the Browns make him the highest paid QB in the game or even close to  it?  Why or why not?  Should they find a new QB now, trade Mayfield or give him another year to prove himself?  He has the ball in his hands every play.  He can control the narrative.   When a guy doesn’t play well enough at that position this is what happens.  Not Cabot’s fault he ain’t that dude (yet, if ever).

 

Right, they shouldn't pay him anywhere near top QB money.  I do believe he is above average, but he is too inconsistent.  This year is kind of hard to say because he got hurt early in the 2nd game of the year and was obviously not the same as he was before.  But only the guys in the building, and Baker himself, will truly know how much that hampered him.  It is extremely odd to have the season he had last year with a brand new head coach, and then regress that bad in year 2 simply by chance.  I think the injury was the major factor, but he is on essentially a 1 year prove it deal next season.  

 

Either way, Mary Kay isn't a good writer.  There are have been more than once or twice that people have asked if she was serious after questions, and it's not just players and such.  Maybe she isn't good in the way she words questions, but being a writer for this many years, she should have a handle on it by now.