Beasley test positive

[Scott7975]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Glad to hear his symptoms aren't bad.

 

I agree with the part when he says "vaxxed players are playing with covid every week now because they don't test."  Thats horse crap from the NFL.  No one should be playing with Covid and everyone should be testing vaxxed or not.  Anything else is not being safe.  Its horsecrap rules designed to make sure the season plays on and to save money on test kits.

 

Other than that I think Cole is an idiot and should just keep his ass off twitter.  I respect his right to do what he wants with his body but he doesn't seem to have any regard with how his decisions can affect others around him and his team.

Edited December 22, 2021 by Scott7975

[Aussie Joe]

8 hours and this thread is only 23 pages???? 

[Returntoglory]

13 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Wish we had data on the percentage of internet tough guys on here willing to say any of this stuff to Cole's face. 

I'm sure there are plenty. 

[PolishDave]

10 hours ago, Haze_21 said:

 

Wait you think cole is better than any of those guys?

 

He has only done 1 thing better than those guys:

 

1) catch the balls thrown at him

 

He has a higher catch percentage than those guys.

 

Those other receivers are better than him in other ways.

 

And with the exception of Tyreek Hill, Beasley is much smaller receiver with a much smaller catch radius.   Yet he outperforms those other "superstar" receivers in the category of "catching balls that are thrown his way".    That is the component that makes him so valuable.    He gets open and he catches well.

 

I got the stats from here:

 

https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/receiving/2021/reg/all/receivingreceptions/desc

 

[filthymcnasty08]

3 hours ago, QCity said:

 

It's taught me that if you show enough Facebook memes to a person that could barely pass a high school science class, you can actually dupe them into thinking they're smarter than a doctor.

 

 

"believe science" - now there's a depth and sophistication I can get behind.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

It's pretty sick how everyone has gotten so intrusive about others health decisions. The vax is clearly not working well over time, as predicted as there has never been a successful SARS/coronavirus vaccine. There was more COVID deaths in 2021 then 2020. Stop falling for the politics and wake up. 

Do you know how effective flu vaccines are? Did you ever care to even look up flu vaccine effectiveness? I never took the flu vaccine so I never cared about its effectiveness.

 

Anyways, flu vaccines reduce the risk of flu by 40%-60%. Vaccines aren't always 100%. They lower the risk.

[nucci]

11 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

It's pretty sick how everyone has gotten so intrusive about others health decisions. The vax is clearly not working well over time, as predicted as there has never been a successful SARS/coronavirus vaccine. There was more COVID deaths in 2021 then 2020. Stop falling for the politics and wake up. 

I don't fall for politics. I just listen to my Dr and family members in the medical field

[Royale with Cheese]

8 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

He is telling people "You do not want to be like me."

Because he’s missing a tooth?

1 hour ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

It's pretty sick how everyone has gotten so intrusive about others health decisions. The vax is clearly not working well over time, as predicted as there has never been a successful SARS/coronavirus vaccine. There was more COVID deaths in 2021 then 2020. Stop falling for the politics and wake up. 

Yes, it’s working….it’s just not 100% effective.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

11 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

Maybe someone ought to bring up flu vaccines to school officials..you know the much more impactful illness to children than covid..and it’s not even close.

If parents aren't already getting the flu vaccine for their children then they aren't going to start now. Kind of the point. Adults don't like to be told they have to do something.

[cgg716]

In my eyes, he was selfish and dumb in not getting the vaccine, but this isn’t a place to change that discourse. What I will say however, is him wanting no consequences is the true kicker. And that applies to many people, who are confusing freedom of choice, with freedom from consequences 

Edited December 22, 2021 by cgg716

[skibum]

Didn't McKenzie have the game of his life subbing for Beasley late last year? 

 

Either way, it's only Wenesday and Omicron is spreading like wildfire. We could be looking at a league-wide pause any day now. I think pretty much everyone not living alone in remote Siberia is going to get it sooner or later, vaccinated or not. Here's hoping the vax provides some symptom relief and that it's truly a milder strain to begin with. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

One thing covid has taught me about this country is adult Americans don't like to be told they have to do something. As long as we learn a behavior as a child it's OK. 

 

Meaning any laws or rules we grew up with we accept, but new laws and rules we deny unless they benefit us in some way.

 

 

Wonder if the rule and law makers ever stop and think maybe we have too many of them......just sayin. Yeah times change and requires change, but at what threshold do people just throw up their hands and say enough leave me alone.

[pennstate10]

8 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

3 short weeks ago, only a single case in the USA had been reported. And just like that, with over 60% vaccinated, Omicron spreading like wildfire, at faster rate than any cold or flu virus ever has.

Is there any wonder why there's so much suspicion regarding the origins and spread virus.

 

Cole will be fine, as are 99.999% of young healthy people who contract the virus.  

 

 

 

Sweeney and Dawkins might take issue with your last statement. 

[TAinLack.]

Just wanted to be part of this 24 page thread. Be safe

Edited December 22, 2021 by TAinLA

[PastaJoe]

3 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

You never proved what was fiction you just still keep following the company line without questioning it from a source that never had your best interest at heart to begin with. We have had more deaths in the second year following your science then in the first year without the vaccine. I would say the whole process needs to be reviewed by unbiased authorities as we are no better off now than when this began. We are better off when we question what government tells us not blindly follow like 🐑. The question needs to be asked, why has our government and medical community ignored therapeutics? Why do we wait to treat people till they are very I’ll? I lost an Aunt who was vaccinated and currently have a friend on a ventilator with kidneys failing who I am  probably going to lose. Neither were treated up front, they wait till they are too Ill to try and start treating. Yet other countries start treatments as soon as there are symptoms with great success. I wouldn’t sit on that high horse you have been riding. Time will bear out who was right about this in the end.

Last year we were in lockdowns and working and schooling remotely which reduced the spread. And the people that complained about lockdowns are the same people now complaining that there’s more deaths in 2021, when we’re back open but still have a significant percentage of people willfully unvaccinated for political reasons. Those that complain the most have done the least to end the variants that are causing breakthrough cases.

 

And it’s no coincidence that the states most resistant to preventative measures have had the largest percentage of deaths from the Delta variant.

[YoloinOhio]

from a pure football standpoint, (which is the angle we are trying to keep this discussion to) it doesn’t matter to me what Beasely decision was on the vaccine. Players on both sides are getting it all over the league and he does have symptoms, fortunately mild,  so would have been tested regardless. Even the 10 day time frame mandated for his group is not that different considering the soonest any player has returned unless they had a false positive is 8 days (Big Ben) so he would have missed this game no matter what in all likelihood. Vaxxed players are staying on the list just as long. I’m not going to judge him differently from a pure football standpoint, he’s correct that they should test everyone the same way with this variant. JMO

[Simon]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

from a pure football standpoint, (which is the angle we are trying to keep this discussion to) it doesn’t matter to me what Beasely decision was on the vaccine. Players on both sides are getting it all over the league and he does have symptoms, fortunately mild,  so would have been tested regardless. Even the 10 day time frame mandated for his group is not that different considering the soonest any player has returned unless they had a false positive is 8 days (Big Ben) so he would have missed this game no matter what in all likelihood. Vaxxed players are staying on the list just as long. I’m not going to judge him differently from a pure football standpoint, he’s correct that they should test everyone the same way with this variant. JMO

 

Bless you, sir.

[May Day 10]

I dont have a problem if Beasley isnt vaccinated or if he has an opinion that differs from mine

 

 

 

I do have a problem that he chose not to which puts the Bills at a competitive disadvantage.  You just knew over the Summer when he was going through his manic fits that this was going to happen before the biggest game of the season.

 

Then he has the nerve and cry about the 'rules' doing this to him as if he wasnt well aware (and Im sure coaches and teammates made him plenty aware).  

 

And maybe if he was vaxxed, he wouldnt even have mild symptoms.  

[Beach]

it seems Cole is only having mild symptoms, so it looks like he was right about trusting his immune system.  

Edited December 22, 2021 by Beach

[Greg S]

2 minutes ago, Beach said:

it seems Cole is only having mild symptoms, so it looks like he was right about trusting his immune system.  

 

No surprise. He's young, probably doesn't have any other health issues like diabetes, and he's in shape. He was always in the category of having the odds in his favor of this not being a serious health issue.

[thenorthremembers]

2 hours ago, Returntoglory said:

I'm sure there are plenty. 

I think you'd be surprised.  Some dont have the testicular fortitude for the consequences of running off at the mouth, and others would be too busy telling him how much they love him.     I'd put it right around 5%.

[Returntoglory]

6 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I think you'd be surprised.  Some dont have the testicular fortitude for the consequences of running off at the mouth, and others would be too busy telling him how much they love him.     I'd put it right around 5%.

I guess we will never know.

 

[Malazan]

49 minutes ago, filthymcnasty08 said:

 

Nanoparticles injected into humans - what could go wrong?

 

 

I've got bad news. You're filled with nanoparticles right now! They're all around you too! There's no escape!

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

I've got bad news. You're filled with nanoparticles right now! They're all around you too! There's no escape!

 

Quit freaking me out!

[CincyBillsFan]

20 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

No surprise. He's young, probably doesn't have any other health issues like diabetes, and he's in shape. He was always in the category of having the odds in his favor of this not being a serious health issue.

And by next season covid will be treated like the flu - if you catch it and get real sick you don't play.  If you catch it and the symptoms are mild you will play.  Beasley claims his symptom are mild and he could play.  I believe him and suspect that he's payed with the flu before.

 

Covid has become endemic and the sooner the NFL understands this the better

 

 

[Greg S]

59 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

And by next season covid will be treated like the flu - if you catch it and get real sick you don't play.  If you catch it and the symptoms are mild you will play.  Beasley claims his symptom are mild and he could play.  I believe him and suspect that he's payed with the flu before.

 

Covid has become endemic and the sooner the NFL understands this the better

 

Since the league isn't testing vaccinated players daily I bet many players with Covid are playing right now and have been for some time.

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, Greg S said:

 

Since the league isn't testing vaccinated players daily I bet many players with Covid are playing right now and have been for some time.

I agree.  The Omicron variant seems to be the one that will make covid an endemic respiratory virus among human populations.  Like the flu, the key will be seeing how symptoms progress in the most a risk people. 

 

Vaccine interventions will probably be the choice of those wanting to take extra precautions and/or those at greatest risk much like those getting the flu vaccine skews to older Americans.  The rest of us will either rely on treatments, a new one should be available soon from Pfizer, or just powering through the symptoms like a lot of healthy people do with the flu.

 

And to be clear I'm not saying that covid was the same as the flu  That's an argument for another time and IMO it was more severe.  But RIGHT NOW the covid is going the way almost all respiratory virus go by becoming more infectious and much less virulent.  In other words it's become endemic and will join the pantheon of other corona virus in making up the common cold.  That is the reality of the present.

 

So if the NFL wants to avoid the embarrassing nightmare scenario of a team deep in the playoffs or in the Super Bowl losing key players to covid they will start treating it like the flu. Again, today's covid is not the same as last years covid. The situation has changed and the NFL and society needs to react accordingly.

 

 

 

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I agree.  The Omicron variant seems to be the one that will make covid an endemic respiratory virus among human populations.  Like the flu, the key will be seeing how symptoms progress in the most a risk people. 

 

Vaccine interventions will probably be the choice of those wanting to take extra precautions and/or those at greatest risk much like those getting the flu vaccine skews to older Americans.  The rest of us will either rely on treatments, a new one should be available soon from Pfizer, or just powering through the symptoms like a lot of healthy people do with the flu.

 

And to be clear I'm not saying that covid was the same as the flu  That's an argument for another time and IMO it was more severe.  But RIGHT NOW the covid is going the way almost all respiratory virus go by becoming more infectious and much less virulent.  In other words it's become endemic and will join the pantheon of other corona virus in making up the common cold.  That is the reality of the present.

 

So if the NFL wants to avoid the embarrassing nightmare scenario of a team deep in the playoffs or in the Super Bowl losing key players to covid they will start treating it like the flu. Again, today's covid is not the same as last years covid. The situation has changed and the NFL and society needs to react accordingly.

 

 

 

 

I agree with most of what you say as usual. However- see bolded, I'm still watching the hospitalizations data where I live locally and they've doubled in the last week. We've also had a group of deaths for the first time in a few months. I'm still in the observation phase on the bolded for Omicron.

[Irv]

If you’re lunch bucket Joe Schmo like me and decide to not get vaccinated I get it.  Who cares.  Miss a week of work. Big deal.  But if you’re Cole Beasley and 52 other guys rely on you to be out there.  And a million fans want you out there.  Seems a little selfish. I will never tell someone to get vaccinated but this has me scratching my head.  Are you a good teammate or not?  

[No_Matter_What]

I don't want to comment on Beasley or NFL covid protocols, I just want to say that at this stage there is like 100% chance that there will be more players tested positive until Sunday, probably many more. 

 

The only thing I truly wish now that Josh is not among them (followed by Diggs, Davis, Knox, Morse and Brown).

 

As for the season, odds of Allen (and anybody else for that matter) not getting it by SB seem to be very low, so we will need to be extremely lucky in this respect. Either that he won't get it, or he gets if for one game, we will win that game nevertheless and he comes back healthy.

[The Red King]

1 hour ago, Beach said:

it seems Cole is only having mild symptoms, so it looks like he was right about trusting his immune system.  

 

The Omicron variant is milder, but spreads like wildfire.  Nothing to do with his immune system.  Where Omicron become a threat is in those who are high risk and/or immuno comprimised.  That's the danger it poses.  Not to the normal people that catch it, but the ease they can pass it to the truly vulnerable, given how easily it spreads.

 

Not going to comment on vaccination.  Just wanted to explain why Omicron is a serious threat despite it being milder in most people that catch it.  I have a bit of a stake in this.  My god-daughter has a compromised immune system, and this terrifies me.

[Irv]

8 minutes ago, Irv said:

If you’re lunch bucket Joe Schmo like me and decide to not get vaccinated I get it.  Who cares.  Miss a week of work. Big deal.  But if you’re Cole Beasley and 52 other guys rely on you to be out there.  And a million fans want you out there.  Seems a little selfish. I will never tell someone to get vaccinated but this has me scratching my head.  Are you a good teammate or not?  

Also getting paid around $7M annually to be out there.  A couple of shots?  What’s the big deal? He’s a tough dude no doubt.  Played with broken bones last year.  Still don’t get it.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

8 hours and this thread is only 23 pages???? 

 

You oughtta see the cutout bin

[Greg S]

[HappyDays]

35 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

But RIGHT NOW the covid is going the way almost all respiratory virus go by becoming more infectious and much less virulent.

 

35 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

today's covid is not the same as last years covid.

 

We don't know if this is true yet. There are some signs that omicron is less severe than previous variants but those are based on studies in countries with high vaccination and/or exposure rates. We don't have good data on how severe omicron is for an unvaccinated individual with no previous exposure to the virus. So the NFL should not change it's policy with regards to unvaccinated players until we know more.

Edited December 22, 2021 by HappyDays

[Hapless Bills Fan]

43 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I agree.  The Omicron variant seems to be the one that will make covid an endemic respiratory virus among human populations.  Like the flu, the key will be seeing how symptoms progress in the most a risk people. 

 

Vaccine interventions will probably be the choice of those wanting to take extra precautions and/or those at greatest risk much like those getting the flu vaccine skews to older Americans.  The rest of us will either rely on treatments, a new one should be available soon from Pfizer, or just powering through the symptoms like a lot of healthy people do with the flu.

 

And to be clear I'm not saying that covid was the same as the flu  That's an argument for another time and IMO it was more severe.  But RIGHT NOW the covid is going the way almost all respiratory virus go by becoming more infectious and much less virulent.  In other words it's become endemic and will join the pantheon of other corona virus in making up the common cold.  That is the reality of the present.

 

So if the NFL wants to avoid the embarrassing nightmare scenario of a team deep in the playoffs or in the Super Bowl losing key players to covid they will start treating it like the flu. Again, today's covid is not the same as last years covid. The situation has changed and the NFL and society needs to react accordingly.

 

I would pump the brakes on a couple of these statements. When there are significant differences in the demographics of one country (SA) vs. another (US), it's not so clear we can draw on their experience, so I would say we don't quite have the full picture on the virulance (especially since people can take a couple weeks to get sick enough to wind up in hospital, and deaths lag by a further 3-4 weeks after hospitalizations. 

 

There's also this little point of the Maths of a 2x more contagious but 10x less serious disease.    Bottom line up front, after 10 cycles of transmission, you can wind up with 100x more severely ill people, even if it produces severe disease in 0.1% vs 1% of infected people.

 

I would like your statements to be correct, of course.

 

I think it also may be time to get back to more of a Focus on Football here.

 

15 minutes ago, The Red King said:

 

The Omicron variant is milder, but spreads like wildfire.  Nothing to do with his immune system.  Where Omicron become a threat is in those who are high risk and/or immuno comprimised.  That's the danger it poses.  Not to the normal people that catch it, but the ease they can pass it to the truly vulnerable, given how easily it spreads.

 

Not going to comment on vaccination.  Just wanted to explain why Omicron is a serious threat despite it being milder in most people that catch it.  I have a bit of a stake in this.  My god-daughter has a compromised immune system, and this terrifies me.

 

Prayers for her continued good health.

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, Beach said:

it seems Cole is only having mild symptoms, so it looks like he was right about trusting his immune system.  

Unless admitted to hospital, I doubt Cole would admit to anything more than mild symptoms.   

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

 

Since the league isn't testing vaccinated players daily I bet many players with Covid are playing right now and have been for some time.

 

That was a concern Beasley raised before the season.

 

Now of course, since the league is only testing vaccinated players who self-report symptoms or who are "randomly selected", you are almost certainly correct.

 

What the NFL had to say about that is that

1) ~80% of those infected (keep in mind this is from before the season) had reported symptoms

2) All reported close contacts, vaccinated or not, were tested daily

then during the season added

3) only 20% of the vaccinated, infected players were able to test negative and return in less than 10 days - that means 80% of the vaccinated, infected players continued to test positive, albeit perhaps at a low cycle threshold, for longer than a week (the median time to not test positive after an infection is 20 days)

 

Putting those 3 things together, math sez it's very unlikely many infected vaccinated players were passing under the radar.  They would have symptoms, or they would test positive the following week.

 

Of course, "that was then, This is Now", and you're unquestionably going to be correct now.

 

 

[BillsFan4]

17 hours ago, Process said:

Can we cut these two right after the season? Or do we have to wait until June or something for cap reasons?

 

 

So, in other words, he’d be perfectly fine exposing all of his coaches + teammates to covid (he’s symptomatic = contagious) if the NFL would let him, even knowing that a # of his teammates have already been hospitalized with covid and one even missed an entire season after a mild case of covid (Sweeney)

Edited December 22, 2021 by BillsFan4

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, Returntoglory said:

I'm sure there are plenty. 

 

Cole's response Back in Preseason was "Oh Wait That Never Happens". 

 

I think it's a common phenomenon that people are emboldened to say crap online that they would never say to a person's face. 

We see a lite version of it as mods - I'm pretty damned sure that some of the crap people say to me in PMs, they wouldn't say to my face.

 

I expect Beasley has a lot of experience of people saying horrid things to him in social media sometimes but when he meets fans in public they're all "OMG Cole Beasley!  Love the way you play!", and see no reason to doubt his "Oh Wait That Never Happens".